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What Miller means at CB

Posted by Darren Urban on May 3, 2010 – 1:00 pm

The Cardinals officially signed Justin Miller today to a one-year contract, after the veteran spent minicamp trying out for the team. Miller was a star kickoff return man for the Jets back in 2005 and 2006 — making the Pro Bowl once — but his career was derailed by injuries and he only played 12 games the past three seasons with the Jets and Raiders. He never really made an imprint at cornerback (he does not have a career interception), but he does give a veteran presence in an area where the Cards have little. This won’t rule out the Cards looking at other veteran cornerbacks. Of that, I am pretty sure. But as I have said before, I think the Cards will continue to sort through who is on the roster this summer and maybe not look at actually bringing in another veteran until training camp.


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53 Responses to “What Miller means at CB”

  1. By Eazy E on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Ok Miller is good. Great KR and PR with new york and oakland. We still need another veteran CB such as Will James or Dre Bly. Were still super thin at CB.

  2. By dylan on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-

    a little off subject but i had no clue beanie wells was the youngest on the team older then all the rookies and this is his second year on the team lol

  3. By dylan on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    what i meant is he is younger then all the rookies and this is his second year

  4. By Eric on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-

    Do you think the Cardinals are willing to use a CB roster spot just for a returner who isn’t very good at CB? With our questionable depth at CB, I would think it would be more logical to use a player who also has ability at his postion to return kicks (LSH, Roberts, etc.) instead of having a return specialist on the team. The Cardinals have recently gotten away from specialists (Morey, T. Smith, and Francisco).

  5. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Eric –

    I think it would be difficult for such a player to make the team. But if you found a third or fourth CB that can also return kicks? It’s worth the gamble in May. There’s no risk involved.

  6. By TBru on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Are their any limits how many players can be on a roster before training camp cut down day? No cap constraints . If their are no limits I don’t see anything wrong auditioning as many players as possible.

  7. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    TBru –

    A team can have 80 players max. But, for instance, the Cards are at 83 with Miller, because their seven draft picks are unsigned. Once the Cards sign the fifth of those picks (and then sixth and seventh) the Cards will have to release one player each time.

  8. By CMacyn on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    The Niners are going after Will James… he is in on a visit today.

  9. By Nick on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    What are some of the names of CBs still available as free agents? Have you heard the Cards mentioning any of those players?

  10. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Nick –

    I don’t have a list in front of me. I haven’t heard names being mentioned yet, but again, I don’t know if that is a pressing issue now. A team can wait until players are released before the season. Remember, if a guy doesn’t have a job right now, there is a reason.

  11. By alex u on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Well Justin Miller is one of the fastest, or was, in the NFL, so if he still has that speed, he could be good in the blitz from the nickle. But i like DRC, Toler and Adams, i just wish Adams was a bit taller.

  12. By moe on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    darren whats up man i read the blog about the dude saying thanks to you because you actually take time to talk to us fans and i want to second that you cool man good stuff so do you think the cards will go after another cb or wait it out untill someone gets released before the season and as far as tight ends is spach working with the first string or patrick and what about dom byrd guy has good hands they all do but will whiz give him a shot o crack the starting line up thanks for your time again man take care

  13. By KL on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    9 corners on the roster, thats thin? Toler looks promising, and Adams is alright, and we all know what DRC can do. I can’t see them making any more additions to the CB position.

  14. By DanniH on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=30&yr=2010
    List of cb free agents, currently and who has been signed

  15. By TBru on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks D

    Is Duece part of the 83?

  16. By shannonrobinson on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    The roster of CB’s is talented – give them the reps – they’ll be fine. They all fit the model of small school CB’s with speed and athletic ability. We don’t need help.

  17. By Chuck on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    We need a pro-bowl caliber CB opposite of DRC. Coach Whiz didi an excellent job in the offseason all is left is a solid corner and this defence is going to be hard to score against our front seven is tough!Just a corner and a little more deph in the backfield!

  18. By Eazy E on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, that’s not always the case though. Dre Bly, i recall had a good year with san fran and he’s only 32, he’s not old. Will James played on a bad lions defense but, i think he was decent for them. I wouldn’t mind either dre or will.

  19. By AndyStandsUp on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Was the friendship/comfort factor with Kerry Rhodes a determining decision in signing Miller? Basically played together in Gotham for 7 years.
    Hope the Cards remember how the Adrian Wilson/Terrance Holt experiment went a few seasons ago.

  20. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Moe –

    Work in a period once in a while, OK … :)

    Becht/Patrick are working first team right now at TE but there is a long way to go.

  21. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    TBru –

    Yes, I am counting Lutui.

  22. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Chuck –

    Be happy with one Pro Bowl CB. Name me one team with two (and the Jets don’t count, that’s how far Antonio Cromartie has fallen).

  23. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy –

    See, that’s the thing. You wouldn’t mind either of them, but what about the Cardinals’ coaching staff? What if they have watched film and believe neither are that good? Or neither fit the system?

  24. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    AndyStands –

    I think it had more to do that a) Miller was out there and b) Donnie Henderson coached him in New York. I don’t think Rhodes had anything to do with it.

  25. By Dylan on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Miller is a very good returner, but he is the worst CB I have ever seen. I am a huge Jets fan so I watch every game. As long as he is strictly on STs, then he is a good signing. If he is ever forced to cover a WR though than watch out!

  26. By Dylan on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Btw Rhodes, Faneca, and Feely were all very good signings for the Cardinals. I’m sure you guys will like them. Rhodes isn’t always a hard hitter and annoyed Jets fans with his attitude, but he is still one of the best cover safties in the league. Faneca struggled in pass protection but he is a great locker room influence and VERY good against the run. Feely was the best kicker the Jets have had in a long time. The only reason we let him go was because it gave us the ability to sign Jason Taylor.

  27. By kauaicardsfan on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    just curious, when the cards moved up and traded Mcfadden back was it the Cards idea or did Pittsburgh ask for him back as part of the trade?
    I know it really doesnt matter now, just wondering?

  28. By darrenurban on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    Kauai –

    I believe the Cards initiated the call. They wanted Skelton.

  29. By Scott on May 3, 2010 | Reply

    With all the talk about the secondary, is it possible that Hamlin, formerly and recently released from the Cowboys, might be a consideration? Although there is concern about his willingness to hit someone, he played pretty welll over the last couple of years and would be an additional veteran presence with significant experience.

  30. By Bunka on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    This is off topic, but who was wearing #10 at minicamp this weekend? He is not listed on the roster.

  31. By Eazy E on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    That is a good point Darren, but those guys have to be better than mcbride, a raw toler, calvin, adams, barksdale, etc.

  32. By Eazy E on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    AndyStandsUp-

    Please don’t compare kerry rhodes and terrence holt. One sucks and one is actually good.

  33. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Scott –

    Again, it’s buyer beware. He’s now washed out in a couple of places. Is he worth it?

  34. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Bunka –

    He was Deryn Bowser, a rookie tryout wide receiver. He has not yet been signed.

  35. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy –

    Well again, why do they have to be better? You could very well be right, but I haven’t scouted the guys on the street.

  36. By John on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Went to the Suns game last night, and got a chance to see alot of Card players enjoying the win. Players I saw were Fitz, Porter, Campbell, Rhodes, and I’m forgetting 2 others.

    But this is why I love Joey Porter and was yelling for the cards to trade or sign him from the beginning. 3 times Porter went onto the floor and gave it to the refs for bad calls (and there were several). He was fired up. Thats the kind of passion for competition that I believe has been missing from this defense. After watching Porter get fired up over a team he probally doesnt have a long history with, can you imagine the passion he will bring to his team.

    BTW, Darren, how about asking Porter if he got any warnings from the refs. To me, they seemed they wanted no part of Joey.

  37. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    John –

    If I see him, I will ask.

    Maybe I need to get to know you better if you’ve got those kind of Suns seats … :)

  38. By John on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    To everyone who thinks the corner spots are ok;

    Just cuz you have 9 CBs , doesnt mean you have quality.
    DRC, who has gotten some injury scares, goes down. Are you really comfortable with a guy who has very little experience in Toler and 5’8″ Mike Adams as your starters and either a guy who played no football in the past year(Calvin our 6th round pick), or another 5′ nothing guy in McBride playing nickle?

    This is a passing league. WR’s are getting bigger, (just look at the cards.) The cards might like Toler and feel good with Toler and DRC. Its the depth and when we go nickle or dime that worries me.We need a vet corner. Whether it’s today grabbing Bly or James or after cuts, it is something that will come back and haunt us if we dont. Just like not finding an OLB who could rush the passer last year, we all will be talking about the need to draft a corner in 2011.

    What happened at corner last year? We were 23rd in passing defense. Teams picked us apart when they went to 3 and 4 wides. How did we fix this? By subtraction. We traded away our vet CB. So , how are we better?

    The Cardinal staff does a great job and I have to believe they have their eyes on a couple of players who could be released. I can’t believe they are comfortable going into the season with so many question marks at corner.

  39. By Casey on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Amen John. Thank you for the detailed, thoughtful post. Totally agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve tried to make the same points a few times, but I think Darren typically shies away from longer-winded posts (even though those are the only ones a guy like Sando will typically respond to and feature on espn.com).

  40. By AZsportsfan on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    I understand Carlos Rogers is a RFA, but it doesn’t look like the Skins are going to resign him… how does that all work since he is Restricted? Would we have to give the Skins a pick? Really like Carlos… especially his size 6’1″ and nearly 200 lbs.

    Would be awesome to have 2 corners who start or would be in nickel to have height and aren’t afraid to hit.. believe DRC is 6’1″ also?

    Anyways just my opinion that he would be great to look at.

  41. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Casey –

    I’m trying to understand what exactly I am shying away from. If someone asks me a question, I try to answer. If someone is making a point — like John was — I let the point be made. But he didn’t ask anything (at least, nothing that I saw that wasn’t rhetorical) so there was nothing to which to respond.

  42. By darrenurban on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Azsportfan –

    Other teams can no longer offer deals to RFAs. That’s why the Deuce Lutui thing is strange, because he can’t play anywhere else (unless he is traded, in which case he’d have to sign his tender first anyway).

  43. By Voice of Reason on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Dre Bly — a player somebody mentioned above — would be perfect.

  44. By Steven on May 4, 2010 | Reply

    Our Cardinals will have a top 10 defense next season, and I am willing to bet on it.

  45. By tyman on May 5, 2010 | Reply

    Its all about the blitz and pressure. As long as we can get pressure I think we will look much better this year with our DB play. No need to get a big name. If miller can play the nickel better than adams did in the playoffs then we did good here. It would be stupid to sign a big name for big dollars. Urbans right no teams have two probowl CB’s and it is better to only have one high priced guy because Pressure equals picks. Just look at the best D’s they pressure and blitz.

  46. By Michael from stl on May 5, 2010 | Reply

    we definetly should go after dre bly but there is other good vet corners just some names to throw out there will james, nick harper, anthony henry, kenny lucas, samari rolle, deshea townsend, ty law(to me to old) or we could sign another safety like ken hamlin who still hasnt found a team or if the rams dont sign atogwe try to turn these safeties into corners or maybe put rhodes at corner or get another middle linebacker like antonio pierce just in case these rookies dont hold up and maybe at fb if kreider doesnt come back get bj askew but what im saying is just an idea

  47. By John on May 5, 2010 | Reply

    OK Tyman,
    AAron Rodgers walks to the line. He goes 3 wide. He reads the blitz and looks for his mismatch. Oh look, its 5’8″ Adams on 6’3″ jordy Nelson. Rodgers knows he has the bigger, faster Nelson in a complete mismatch. He is going to hit Nelson before the blitz gets there.

    Now, DRC goes down. Rodgers looks out and sees Adams on Jennings. He can mass protect, and hit Jennings all day. So, now you play the safety over top and the TE Finley runs down the seam for a big play. So, you take Wilson out of the box and play 2 deep safeties. Now teams can run against our 7 man front. (crude example-defenses are more complicated than this)

    Why not offer our 2nd and 4th for 2011 and get Carlos Rodgers? Move Toler to Nickle and we are a much better team.A team that can have a shot at going into the playoffs and making some noise. Rodgers makes the QB hold the ball a second longer and the rush gets there. But at the very least, sign a vet to come in and play nickle.

    I’m not always sure the coaching staff can do everything they want on this team.

  48. By chad anderson on May 5, 2010 | Reply

    Why dont we go after Adalius Thomas? He can play 3 spots for us ILB sometimes but mainly OLB and jump up too DE whenever Camble is out! He really is the final peace on the frunt 7! Man we need this guy

  49. By Eazy E on May 5, 2010 | Reply

    Hey d, the cowboys have 2 pro bowl cbs(Terence Newman and Mike Jenkins), the jets(Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie in 07 with the chargers), and the packers(Charles Woodson and Al Harris). Its rare, but it can happen.

  50. By TMac86 on May 6, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks John, We definitely need help at corner. That is the Cards most pressing need. I say they put every other possible signing on hold. Our secondary will have huge problems if DRC goes down again. There will be some high scoring games. What do you think Darren?

  51. By darrenurban on May 6, 2010 | Reply

    TMac –

    I think they will probably end up addressing their CB situation before the regular season starts.

  52. By Eazy E on May 6, 2010 | Reply

    We don’t need somebody else’s trash that they cut before the season.

  53. By darrenurban on May 6, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy –

    Interesting. So you’d rather have someone now who nobody wants in the dead of the offseason, now that all the teams have built up 80+ men rosters, as opposed to a player who nearly made another team but was caught in a numbers game?

    Here’s an example: This team keeps all its offensive linemen. For example, it cuts Reggie Wells or Deuce Lutui because it just has too many guys. Wouldn’t another team rather have those guys than someone on the street?

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