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Posted by Darren Urban on September 2, 2010 – 11:37 pm

The preseason is over. That’s always nice to say.

Where things go for the Cardinals from here, we will see. Sometime in the next day or two – the team must be shaved to a 53-man roster by 3 p.m. Arizona time Saturday – we all get to see who is in and who is out. Obviously, everyone is waiting to see what will happen with Matt Leinart. Could he still be traded, after the report that agent Tom Condon has been given permission to work one out? Could Leinart simply be released, something that multiple media outlets have speculated could happen?

Heck, could Max Hall have played his way into being Derek Anderson’s backup?

Coach Ken Whisenhunt pumped the brakes a bit on the Hall hysteria after Thursday’s game. “You have to understand this was preseason, and they weren’t doing a lot defensively,” the coach said. “Sometimes you get a little too excited about those situations.”

“But,” Whiz continued – and it was an important but – “I like the way he handled himself and I like the way he handled our team.”

Handling the team was one of the catch phrases Whiz kept bringing up when he was talking earlier in the preseason about Anderson and Leinart. Hall was impressive Thursday, and he certainly doesn’t lack for confidence. He said “absolutely” when I asked him if he’d be comfortable being a rookie backup. I don’t doubt it.

– That, of course, means Leinart would be moved. I’m not sure he can be traded, not with a contract that would force a team to play him $12 million next year. But when an agent gets permission to shop – and let’s assume that happened – it includes talks of contract restructuring usually. That could help.

– Leinart, not surprisingly, was saying nothing of substance after the game. He said a couple of times he hadn’t been thinking about his future or what will happen, and I would be willing to bet a lot that’s almost all he has been thinking about. But what else can he say right now? That he wants to play for Pete Carroll again? Of course not. So he’s right. He has to wait. But I don’t doubt that wherever he is playing, he probably hopes it isn’t Arizona.

– It sounds like Deuce Lutui is just about in a place to get back to starting. “Deuce has been playing pretty well, consistently during the preseason,” Whisenhunt said. “I haven’t been displeased with his play. That has not been the issue. The issue is obviously what we’re all well aware of.”

Lutui’s weight problems, of course.

“Once he gets out of my doghouse, I think he’ll be fine,” Whisenhunt added.

The guess is Lutui will supplant Reggie Wells sooner rather than later in the lineup.

– The Cardinals finished 3-1 in the games that don’t count, eclipsing Whiz’s win total from the previous three preseasons combined (two). “I don’t know how comfortable I am being 3-1 in preseason,” Whisenhunt quipped.

– I think Max Komar, the undrafted rookie wideout, has made this team. I wonder if Monty Beisel’s play – an interception and sack at linebacker – may have saved him. I believe this team will look hard at the waiver wire this weekend, and that the 53-man roster we get first will not be the roster than climbs on the plane to St. Louis.

– It looks like Sam Bradford has wrapped up the starting QB job for the Rams, which means Darnell Dockett will get his wish when the Cards visit St. Louis for the season opener. This defense was praying that would happen, even if Bradford may eventually turn out to be the real deal.

– Finally, Beanie Wells is OK. He could have gone back in, he said. But no reason to risk it. That’s what the fourth game of the preseason is about – minimizing risk.

And, maybe, reshuffling the quarterback depth chart.


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111 Responses to “Redskins aftermath”

  1. By mike b on Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren I was there and I was watching Baggs, although he didn’t make a sack I saw he got some pressure ono the QB and forced him to make bad throws all in all it was a good performance what do you think?

  2. By Darren Urban on Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

    Mike B —

    I think it’ll be close.

  3. By mike b on Sep 2, 2010 | Reply

    darren
    I was actually suprised that Beisel (spelling?) did play well, same with Green and Jefferson (Green not as much) I gotta say this was a very interesting game I can only hope Stevie and Green make it and Baggs is a nice guy he talked to the fans for a little before leaving, which is something Warner did occasionally, like I said I hope he makes it.
    btw I seemed to miss Cody Brown, I didn’t see him make many plays

  4. By Cali Mark on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren. what is your assesment of Cody Brown. Hey doesnt seem to ever get pressure on the quaterback and seems to out of position on alot of plays, including one where it was a boot leg and he was badly fooled.

  5. By AnquanStandsUp on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Micheal Adams injury? And the play of Onrea Jones, AJ Jefferson and Monty Beisel enough to make the team? Is Jones PS available? Starting PR, instead of Breaston?
    And how about the McNabb/Leinart trade options?

  6. By Cardsalltheway on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Another team just might be interested in Matt, I hope he becomes a PIttsburgh Steeler since Byron Leftwich is now down and out. This won’t be my last comment on how awful Whiz has handled the QB situation but why do fans talk about how great Max Hall is and his BYU days. Matt’s college days certainly don’t do him any good so why should Max Halls? I’m for Skelton before Hall and I’m down big time on Whiz. Me thinks the Cards will get more than a few BOO’s this year from the home crowd. It’s funny how Whiz expects players to “handle themselves,the hudle, or the team,” while the QB situation has been “handled” horribly.

  7. By kingdiamond on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Good guys usually never finish first, but he sure deserves it! So does Komar!

  8. By FrankieP on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    i think max hall is the next brett favre!!

  9. By Calvin on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, is there any possible “waiver wire” corners that come to mind that a team may be dropping?

  10. By Dan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I think Cody Brown should be cut, that guy has shown nothing.

  11. By Eric on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Do you see any possiblity whatsoever that the Cardinals release Skelton or try to sneak him on the PC? What, in your opinion, is most likely to happen with our QB situation? Good job with all your non-stop coverage.

  12. By dan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    darren,

    its great to see dockett got a new deal. after we lost people this off season all i wanted was for us to make sure dockett and fitz are cards for life. do you think the cards will resign fitz? i cant imagine this team having its fan base if they let fitz leave, that would deflate the cards organization like nothing else.i personally think fitz is one of the most popular sports players this state has ever seen along with Steve Nash, and Luis Gonzalez.

  13. By Justin in Lubbock on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I think Komar has GOT to make the team. Some seriously spirited play this preseason, and he’s got some great hands!

  14. By Prashant on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren, thank you for the updates after this last pre-season game.

    What did you think about Cody Brown? Although this is his 2nd year, really he is a rookie. I didn’t see much from his in pre-season. I remember he was dangerous back at UConn, but that seemed like a long time ago. This is the NFL. Will he make it?

    Glad Beanie is OK. What about Mike Adams?

    Finally, will our 3rd round pick make the the 53-man roster?

  15. By JamHam on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Urban,
    Hints of Matt bashing in there. I’m new here, have you always spoke (thought) this way of him? Just curious

  16. By john h on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    In your opinion, is there any chance that Lienart is the starter against the Rams?

  17. By bird on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Is it possible Cards will trade for another QB?

  18. By andy on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Mike, I commented (to myself) the entire second half about Baggs geting pressure. I hoping for a sack, but his effort was drawing double teams.

  19. By Nick Pepe on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    It should be interesting, these next two days. I like the energy the defense showed and Washington was all over the field. Keep an eye for Defensive rookie of the year!
    Did O. Jones do enough to make the team?

  20. By andy on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    too bad I can’t go back and edit my post . . . I spell words. ya!

  21. By Jesse Robles on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Komar, Hall, S. Williams, Washington, and D. Williams Have showed up to play and Im loving it!! LETS GO CARDS! One game at a time!!

  22. By TucsonTim on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Last week you said the O-line wasn’t playing up to where you thought they would be. Obviously there wasn’t going to be much change in 5 days. It’s pretty worrisome. I think we’re fortunate to be starting out against the Rams. What does Grimm have to say?

  23. By Derek on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Man was I nervous when I saw Beanie limping around in the back field.

  24. By Don't Take Losses on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    This team looks different from past teams:

    1. Few penalties;
    2. Fewer apparent mental errors;
    3. Faster, leaner, meaner?

    Sweet. Go Cardinales!

  25. By KevC on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I’m a little freaked out at our QB depth. Maybe somebody should call Jeff Garcia. Or does anyone want to give Jake Plummer a call?

  26. By John l on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    With preseason over, ive got a couple questions.
    So, darren,
    First, I feel like hightower clearly has outplayed beanie. Is there any concern about beanies play this preseason.
    Second, with the poor play by all olbs besides porter and haggins, and remember, they are not young, has this become the biggest concern on this team?
    Third, has Stephen Williams moved into the third wr spot? With fitz on one side and Williams on the other, breaston could go back to the slot. Any thoughts?
    Forth, is BRob making this team. The play of Watson and Williams may be enough to push the older guy out.
    Finally, Hall has shown he can play NFL football, but does anyone in this organization believe he has a future in this league as anything other than a backup?

  27. By chris y on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Will OL Cody Brown get cut? He has shown absolutely 0 in preseason. Baggs at least has some ability to get to the QB.

  28. By Erik on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    I haven’t had much time to look into this so I’m hoping you can help me here. When you say Beanie is o.k. What does that mean?

  29. By Pheenic Cromartie on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    The black uniforms looked great on the Cardinals!

    Darren, when do you think we’ll find out about who’s the starter and backup QB?

  30. By Kurt on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    If Whisenhunt goes through with this he had better pray that Anderson doesn’t go down and doesn’t falter, or he will have to explain to the fans why he sacrificed the season and stranded an undrafted rookie at QB, all because A) he wanted to save a project guy from waivers, B) a personal dislike of a player and/or C) because the guy was moping & questioning his future here — which didn’t cause him to cut Boldin, Dockett, Edgerrin James or the other players who have done so. I like Whiz & I’ll bleed Cardinal Red forever, but that doesn’t mean he won’t owe us an explanation.

  31. By Steve on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren: I’ve always believed in Matt Leinart and was really excited when preseason started so that he could finally take the QB job for good. To see him play with such little confidence and mojo makes me realize that he isn’t mentally tough enough or just plain not tough enough to play for Whiz. Would you agree with that?

  32. By aaaaudio on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Matt Leinart sure looked bad last night. Max Hall and Max Komar looked pretty good and Skelton looked bad. I guess coach has better insight than we all appreciate. In Whiz we trust. Hall is exciting to watch even though it is 3rd stringers against our 2nd/1st.. I love his confidence. Andersons throw to the tight end was a bit off but KW was never perfect either. After last night I have alot more faith in this team to compete for the west title.
    What do you think the chances of Orea Jones actually making the squad this year?

  33. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Cali —

    Cody hasn’t had the best camp, but I think they give him another year to develop.

  34. By Paul on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    If Monty makes the team, he should stop by a church on Sunday. Seems good things happen for him right when he’s on the bubble every year. And that is for 10 years. Here’s hoping Monty makes it. He’s a solid LB. I also noticed how R. Walker was hurt a little bit on one series but got right back in a few minutes later. Shows how you can overcome pain if you want something bad enough. These cuts are going to be hard.

  35. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    AnquanStands —

    Adams thinks he’ll be OK (gotta read EVERYTHING). Still say that’s a no on the other three guys. Well, maybe Beisel. Not sure on Jones PS. He might be able to do it one more year. Starting PR might still be Breaston for now.

  36. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsall —

    Hall has clearly been better than Skelton.

  37. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Calvin —

    No one has been cut yet.

  38. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Eric —

    Possible on Skelton. Right now, most likely, I would guess Leinart is moved. They could still look at a veteran to bring in. Skelton could be a PS possibility.

  39. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Dan —

    Yes, I think the Cards re-sign Fitz.

  40. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Prashant —

    I’ve noted my thoughts on Brown earlier here.

    Adams should be OK.

    Roberts will make the roster.

  41. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    JamHam —

    Matt bashing? I wrote that he can’t be happy. You think I’m wrong?

  42. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    John H —

    I believe Anderson will start in St. Louis.

  43. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Bird —

    Yes, that is possible, I believe.

  44. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Nick —

    Not sure Onrea will beat out Komar.

  45. By Wampag on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    D I need a favor I need the address to the CARDS PR office. I went into this season with three jersey’s: Rolle, Boldin and ML as of 3pm today I have a feeling the last of those will be irrelevant (SP)….GO CARDS

  46. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    Haven’t had a chance to talk to Grimm. I thought the starting unit played much better the last two preseason games.

  47. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    John I —

    1. No
    2. The Cards do want to see the young LBs develop. This is a process, but yes, Porter and Haggans need to stay healthy.
    3. No. Top three are Fitz, Breaston, Doucet.
    4. I think BRob is on the team. I think they keep seven DL.
    5. Yes, they do. They are hoping he can be another “smaller” QB in the mold of Brees (not saying Hall will be as good as Brees necessarily).

  48. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Chris Y —

    Like I said, I think Cody gets another year at least.

  49. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Pheenic —

    I would guess in the next day or two.

  50. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Steve —

    I would say I am burned out on analyzing the situation. It is what it is.

  51. By Former Steeler Fan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, please clear something up for me (and, maybe other Card fans).

    During this offseason (after Kurt retired), at ANY TIME (especially after DA signed), did Whiz ever say ANYTHING LIKE “Matt is (will be) the starting QB” or “Matt has the edge for starting” or “Matt is the leading contender to be the starting QB” i.e. did he (semi-)commit to Matt havng the starting QB job?

    If so, I think that he did a disservice to Matt (and, the team) when he is all about competition at every position.

    Let me hasten to add that it appears that DA, at this juncture, is the better choice to be the starter.

    What ever happened to Skelton? Is he still on the roster? :)

  52. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Wampag —

    8701 S. Hardy, Tempe, Az, 85284 …. ;)

  53. By Brad ONeill on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    i think cody brown may fall to practice squad.

    i think onrea jones was auditioning for other teams, i hope he gets picked up because there is no way he moves ahead of williams or komar in my book.

  54. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Former Steeler —

    Well, there was this for one: http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-1/Leinart-Is-The-Guy/2135a249-2192-46aa-859c-8f6c3362e23c

  55. By TucsonTim on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    KevC –

    Why not add Tim Rattay to your list?

  56. By Pjack on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    I think those alternate black uniforms are the best in the NFL! Didn’t they look fantastic!?! And I thought the team looked outstanding the last two preseason games! Im pumped! Go Cardinals!

  57. By TBru on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    yea it was a preseason game and the sceemes were simple and allt hat, but HAll played with heart and guts. Many players have started at QB in the NFL over the years. Many have been the #2. I really believe Leinarts biggest problem is that he got stuck behind a legend and never got to develop his game. I think Hall will be a better qb if he knows he is a twisted ankle away of going in. The NFL has gone great lengths to develop the prototype qb but at the end of the day, grit and determination go just as far if not farther than computer generated projections, media fluff and multimillion dollar contracts. Max Hall be a fine back up, and it will will only enhance his skills when he is the number one guy here or elsewhere.

  58. By AndyM on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I agree with Don’t Take Losses–it was just preseason, but this team has fewer mental errors, better discipline and better fundamentals. It is a team with fewer superstars but much better depth than in recent years. Regardless of the QB situation, if they can stay healthy they will be solid and consistent. Whisenhunt and Graves have molded a promising team.

  59. By greg on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    3-1 in preseason usually means nothing but in this case, I believe it shows how much the team has improved its depth over the last 3 seasons.

  60. By 98CardsFan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Have to say, I saw exactly what I thought I would. It used to be you made your team 80-85% through the draft with the other 15-20% through free agency & undrafted guys. Now, its I had nothing to do with you so I will look elsewhere. Players who are originally Cardinals hold more priority over the players we bring in for me. I love what Warner did for this team, but to me (and the HOF voters) he will be a Ram first. Not getting to see what Leinart could do, good or bad, will forever leave me wondering, with this team, with a system suited TO him, what he could’ve been. But I’m only 26, so one of these days maybe one of the QBs we have will win me over in time. As for DA, could care less for him. What can I really say? I am a Plummer fan, it was the way he made it exciting to watch the Cards, good or bad. But I will be curious how Anderson will handle the boos at home when he doesn’t perform and starts hearing chants for Hall.

  61. By Former Steeler Fan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks Darren,

    It’s just as I expected.

    Whiz “changed his mind” (or, Matt changed Whiz’ mind for him).

  62. By Big Red on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren did you see that the corney broadcaster announcer at ESPN was calling the CARDS the mean machine, with there black uniform. Sounds good to me, what do you think. from the movie.

  63. By Don't Take Losses on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hall is an interesting change of pace to DA too. I keep thinking Brees when I see Hall. Think Whiz factors the change of pace thing?

  64. By Chris B on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    After watching the game:

    1- Max Hall looked comfortable. There is not a better word for it. He looked like he was playing in the backyard with his buddies, playing for bragging rights against his BFFs. As my die-hard Yankees fan father-in-law said, “Like watching Derek Jetter play baseball; the guy just looks like a [football] player.” If everyone believes we are going to take a step back, I say put this guy in there and say “Go learn.”

    2- Matt, on the other hand, looked lost. He never looked farther down the field than 3 yards. I think he was more focused on not making a mistake rather than playing football. His focus wasn’t on playing the game. “I’m not going to make a mistake, I’m not going to make a mistake.”

    3- The Cards did well in the “undrafted” area. A few good steals there. Aside from Washington and Williams, I think they did better at the undrafted guys than the drafted ones. Dray’s on the bubble, Calvin is gone and so is the guy they traded for him. Roberts has to improve bc right now he is a waste draft pick. Schofield won’t be assessed until next year at the earliest, even then, are we playing football next year? John Skelton is a gamble.

    4- Start Daryl Washington. If there are questions in that area, put that man there and let him learn. He’s clearly the best option.

    5- The running game is a joke at this point. We couldn’t do anything on the ground against guys who won’t even be on a roster come Saturday. I hope this is just preseason hiccups. Both backs are good players, better than what they’ve shown.

    6- Everyone says Baggs looks better than Brown. When neither are showing anything, can you really assess that? Both need to show they want to play in this game.

    7- I think the secondary will be raked over the coals again this year. With no outside pass rush, teams will have forever to throw the ball. That will make our secondary look bad just like last year. And consider this, Rod Woodson (HOF Safety) listed 3 of our four starters as “Best in th Biz” Rolle was #5, Wilson #3 at Safety and DRC was in the top 5 too. Not bad for a “terrible” secondary. And I think we’ve improved at FS and Left corner, regardless if it’s McBride or Toler.

    8- Darren Urban is the greatest team report there is. He responds to almost every single comment on every single post. That man deserves a medal! Especially when a lot of times he has to repeat himself over and over. What a guy. I say we all chip in and give him a nice Christmas present! Who’s with me?

  65. By kauaicardsfan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Well first off I have to say the black jerseys are sweet! Wish they could where them every week!
    Secondly I love the fact that we hit a pot of gold with Max Hall and Stephen Williams and D Washington! Hats off to the scouts!!!
    Since we have been taking a lot of players from Pittsburgh I think its only fair to give them ML since they are in need of another QB right now?
    Cant wait for the season to start!
    GO CARDS!!!

  66. By Cardsalltheway on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Too many seem to think Max Hall is great, if so then the Card scouts have obviously failed at least 3 times in this 2010 draft that we can already see(from the Whiz QB depth chart).
    First, they didn’t draft WR Williams. Second, they gave away a draft pick to move up and pick QB Skelton. Third, they drafted Skelton. Fourth, they drafted Skelton before Max Hall.
    Actually, I see more promise in Skelton than Hall and Hall’s so-called touchdown was NOT a touchdown, he was out-of-bounds. Skelton reminds me of Troy Aikman. I guess the part Houston Texan owner(relative to Skelton) isn’t as much of a buddy buddy to Whiz as Danny White.

  67. By Aaron on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    @Pjack

    The black uniforms were no good IMO. Marketing scheme for more money, and they just don’t fit the team well at all. Don’t think they look too hot with the white pants and helmet. Most people at the bar I was at said the same thing. Most went farther than me and called them outright hideous.

    While I agree the Leinart issue has been mishandled, Its obvious from watching him over the course of the offseason that he doesn’t seem to have the leadership skills needed to be a starting QB in the NFL. And I was a HUGE supporter of Leinart over DA. I STILL say DA is not the answer, but he’s at least got the leadership qualities. I have a really bad feeling that DA will be competing with the likes of Cutler for most INT’s this season.

  68. By AZCARDS4LIFE on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Excitement is how I see Max Hall. He has showed up every time he has played. Some guys just have natural ability, and Max has it. I would definantly give a vote of confidence moving foward with the developement of Hall. I am also excited about the defense this year. Top 3 in NFL in my prediction.

  69. By card62 on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I think I have established that I am not an Anderson guy and that I do not like the Way Whiz and Graves handled our QB position in the off season or preseason, but I do definitley support Whiz and Graves and hope they are with us for many many more seasons.

    Anderson looked sharp in his one series and if we had a TE on our team it would have been a TD. I think Anderson is named the starter.

    If I am with another team I do not trade for Leinart until after cuts. I wait to see if the Cards expose Hall or Skelton. I know it is only preseason but Hall has played very well. Do not want him to be our starter now, but he has played well. I loved the pass to A. Smith that went for a big gainer that looked like a broken play and he looks to the sidelines and just smiles.

    Washington and Williams, Steve not Dan, You have to be happy with their preseasons, along with the two Maxs.

    I agree with Darren that the team will keep Cody Brown and A. Roberts because of potential and definitely not production. I do not know if other teams were as high on Roberts as we were maybe place him on practice squad.

    My buddy is a Rams fan so we have a steak dinner bet on the Rams game.
    I am more nervous about our season now with QB situation and OL play but still hoping for the best in 2010. I think we have the Falcons on the road in week 2 so we should know a lot more about our team in a few weeks.

    GO Cards and go Derek Anderson (make me look foolish please please make me look foolish)

  70. By My head hurtS on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, how do you deal with the stress of repetitively haven to answer all the questions/statments about the team from people who never watch a game? are you on your 16th computer already. i would already thrown a few of mine. i mean seriously – i know nobodys watching when they keep thinking Leinart should get a chance and coach is wrong with his choice. Anderson moves the ball effectively – matt has a hard time getting a first down. I dont know i guess they play a differnet game on my t.v.

  71. By Nick Pepe on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Also impressed with the way Hadnot played. Moves pretty well for a big guy. Pulled nicely, got out in front of the backs. Although I thought he should have been flagged for being down field on what was supposed to be a middle screen and ended up going for a first down (the back went beyond the line, and had to break from Hadnot to make the catch). Not sure who the back was, it was late here on the east coast.

  72. By Card's Refugee on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    My only concern is that if Whiz thought that Matt “might” not be the guy…….Why didn’t we pursue the Mcnabb angle?? I hope DA can get it done and I agree with Whiz that Matt is missing something. (soon to be some other coaches problem).
    I am a Cardinals fan and will cheer whoever wears the Cardinal Red, I just cant stop thinking about what we would look like with DM? Your thoughts Urban?

  73. By Cardsalltheway on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    The lamest comment Whiz has made to date…”I hope we have difficult decisions like this from now on at every position.” I think if Whiz handled difficult decisions at every position like he has at this most crucial position(QB), I wouldn’t be a fan very long. I think he has reveled in developing a QB controversy in AZ, and I hope he doesn’t really believe what he said.

  74. By MikeTheHelmetFlorio on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren love the work as always!
    Are you disappointed with the 2010 draft. It seems we had amazing pickups undrafted (hall Williams komar green gonna make it). With dray, Calvin, Roberts on the bubble or cut.
    Thoughts?

  75. By Blair on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    This whole qb thing has got me a little confused like many other people im sure. Now don’t get me wrong because I felt the same way back then too but when mcnabb was for trade for pretty much nothing every one just blew it off like some kind of joke him coming here. But wouldnt you at least look into it if you had even the slightest hint that a third NFC west tittle would be up to Anderson to win? I mean he really hasn’t prooved anything and who knows what the eagles would have taken to get mcnabb to a different division. Not to mention lienart did not loose his starting role because of how he played this preseason. So they had to see this coming at least a little bit.

  76. By Cardsalltheway on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    With comments like that Whiz might be on his way to being spoofed every now and then on David Letterman, taking Mike Singletary’s place. Who knows, maybe Whiz is jealous of the 49ers coach and wants to be on D. Letterman.

  77. By Garbonzo in AZ on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    Chris Scott looked good as a power runner. Patient.

    Alphonso Smith should stay based on his skill and our banged up RB’s.

    Pago should make the team as a back up.

    Thoughts?

  78. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Big Red —

    I think I’ll stick with “Cardinals.”

  79. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Don’t Take —

    Well, only one QB will play at a time, so I don’t know if that matters.

  80. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Refugee —

    I think I should ban all McNabb talk at this point.

  81. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    MikeTheHelmet —

    I think, while the draft doesn’t look great right now, as long as you get young players it doesn’t matter where. Komar and Williams are part of the rookie class too, drafted or not.

  82. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Garbonzo —

    That’s what I am waiting to hear. Too many RBs to keep more, although injuries may play a short-term factor.

  83. By mike b on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-
    Are they going to make some cuts today I have heard they released Beisel and traded Wells? This sounds good for Baggs if Beisel is gone.
    as always thanks

  84. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    MikeB —

    Baggs has reportedly been cut.

  85. By Brad ONeill on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    wow I am really surprised they let Wells go they must have more confidence in faneca than he has earned in the pre season games. I know he is a pro bowler and a great guy by all accounts but he sacked matt lienart himself once in the chicago game and seemed to be a liability in a few situations. I really hope he works out but I am worried.

    and that sucks about beisel as well. i guess my prognostication skills are lacking this year.

    hey maybe if i am wrong all those people that think anderson is horrible are wrong also.

  86. By Garbonzo in AZ on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Hate to do it, I know you are swamped but…

    Will Pago make the team?

    I think he has played well enough to make the squad as a back up. What have you heard?

  87. By mike b on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Well thats too bad I thought he played really really well…

  88. By TBru on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    So long Reggie, thanks for some great seasons.

    I thought Biesel played his tail off, and have a feeling he will be back mid season. Biesel always comes back.

    I really wanted to be a Stevie Baggs fan, I am based on stuff on his website, but hoping to be a fan of Baggs the Cardinal. Good Luck.

  89. By CardsFan on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    “The preseason is over. That’s always nice to say.”

    Reminds me of the old joke – “The second happiest day of a man’s life is when he finally buys his boat. The happiest day is when he gets rid of it.”

    The NFL version would be “The second happiest day in the year of an NFL fan is when the preseason starts. The happiest day is when it’s over.” :)

  90. By mike b on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Becht is gone too according to Kent….

  91. By mike b on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    plus he hinted out that Baggs made P.S I think they went with Brown to see how he works if he doesn’t I say they release him and activate Baggs or another LB

  92. By Cardsalltheway on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz sure is remarkable at bringing guys like ESPN writer Bill Simmons out of the woodwork, ranking the Cards QB’s 32nd or last in the NFL. However, I do like his question…”Will we ever figure out why Leinart didn’t make it?” And even part of what Simmons goes on to say…”I keep going back to that “Punk’d” episode in 2006 when they pretended to arrest Leinart and his buddy for soliciting a …”
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

  93. By Frank B. on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Why is Whiz playing to win preseason games @ giving tons of reps to his 3 rd. and 4 th. string Qb’s and not focusing on developing ML’s game ?

  94. By TucsonTim on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Do you think Baggs will end up on the practice squad?

  95. By Peter in Canada on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t understand all the talk about Leinart not being given a fair shake. We are not privy to what goes on behind the scenes. Leinart obviously has done something to turn off Whiz (and from their attitude it appears the players also). Whiz seems to feel Anderson is better suited to lead the team. QB is the most influential position on the team and unless the coach is an idiot he will select in his opinion the best available. He is doing what he feels is best for the organization. Anderson looked good last night. If he had eased up on the pass to Spach he would have been perfect. If he gains a little consistency and plays back to his old form we will be o.k.

  96. By TucsonTim on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    You’re blog is getting so big it’s hard to cross reference topics, thus the same questions over and over. You were more than fair with all my questions about Mc..you know who, but anyone coming on now would have no idea of what you know and what you’ve had to say on the issue.

    BTW I really want to say thanks for giving us fans an insiders view.

  97. By Richard S on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I saw the game on NFL Network up here in No. Cal. I’ve always been a Matt fan (bought a jersey at his first start against KC) and I remember him hitting Q with the bomb in that game for a TD. I see Q has said that he isn’t surprised at what’s happened the last few weeks, although he didn’t elaborate. It looks like he does have or had in that first game the capability of throwing deep, but lately it seems like all I see are short passes. I’m not sure if he’s gunshy after what happened when he had the 3 picks in preseason and lost his job to Kurt. I’d say either he’s gunshy, he’s got a shoulder problem he don’t want anyone to know about from his prior injuries, or he doesn’t have the ability to throw the bullet pass. All I know is the other guys threw the bullet pass downfield and if Leinart had thrown his same soft pass the same place it would have been intercepted as there wasn’t that big of a hole to hit for the QB nor the large time frame it would have taken to get from the QB’s hand to the receivers. In closing, thanks Matt for being an important part of the organization and does anyone have a Docket jersey they want to trade for a Leinart. I’m an extra-large.

  98. By BluePitt on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    I would like to start off saying “I am not a Matt fan” I think if you are a 10th pick you get 10th pay.
    That being said, and having played at a high level (College &Arena,) not the highest but higher than most. I watch Football a little different than most fans, my eyes are very rarely on the ball but glued to the people trying to get to it and protect it.
    (You will most always see what happened with the ball on replay) If you watch the trenches you will se what is really going on in the game.
    My conclusion is simple I am very disturbed by our Teams and most of all our Coach’s handling of Matt and even Q.

    It was obvious after Q called him out that Whiz was not on board with him, But Coach knew if he slammed Q he would loose all respect from our Fan base.
    Because even when we sucked we could always count on Q to give us hope and undying devotion in every game he played! Q needed to retire a Card more than any other player aside from A-Dub. All Whiz would say is “We are a better team with Q than with out” But we all know, Whiz didn’t like the fact Q was a MAN and called him out, Yes him and it was not about Q’s contract(BTW where is Q now?)! And for the Q was hurt all the time People I say this, Q went over the middle every other play and that as we all know is the WR’s grid iron area of football. Well what happened to Fitz when he went over the middle on one of his rare trips to the grid iron? Boom out for the preseason! Now, like Q did, make him go every other play! No More Fitzy for all of you to drool over.

    First of all before I get to Matt in my next post, I want to let you “Crazy fans” know, Hall and Skelton are Rooks and no they are not Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan Rookies, they are going against the same talent level as they are. THEY ARE ROOKIES and would have surpassed Anderson and Leinart in training camp like Joe and Matt did for the Rav’s and Fal’s, if you want to ruin a QB like Hall and Skelton throw them in VS Players like Peppers, Dock, Allen and CO. Hall would not out run them around the corner they have superior speed compared to 2ns and 3rd’s.

    For those of you who will call me a Band wagon fan or not true to the Big RED, I say this: I have and will always be a Big RED fan ever since I got Stumps autograph back in the 80’s at Midway Chevrolet when I was 12. A band wagon Fan is one who only support’s a winning team or a team when it wins. I am finding it truly hard to support a team in witch the Coach is appearing to be a Coward or at least 2 faced on more than just Matt and Q.
    I have morals and a strong dose of pride in my self and those who I chose to support, I will always support the players and team as a whole but I am conflicted on how to support a Coach who I am loosing respect for by the minute, as he is the teams rep. and his finger prints are all over the team.

    Further more, Last year and more so this year, we will see what Whiz is about, as a coach and mentor, He inherited a strong SB quality team from Denny that needed leader ship,a bit of tweeking and Coaching, he did not build our SB team he inherited it from a great Team architect but lousy coach Denny G. I am not liking his tweaks as of late, and most of all his Mind Games with us the “FANS” his bread and butter! Many a time I broke my remote throwing it, due to Denny and some of our past coaches decisions but they never hid or were not transparent in what was going on with “OUR TEAM”, Their decision was public and was what it was because they were the Head Coach. Never would they have destroyed a player like Whiz has done.

  99. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Garbonzo —

    We will know more later today.

  100. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Frank B —

    You do realize the idea of “playing to win” and “giving tons of reps to his third- and fourth-string” contradict each other, right?

  101. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Tucson Tim —

    Possibly. But as an older player, it may be a long shot.

  102. By Darren Urban on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    You are right. Perhaps I will use it as a blog topic after this all shakes out.

  103. By mike b on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    darren-
    going off what Tucson said you should add
    Mc(censored) is not and will not be a card (smiley winking face) lol

  104. By Frank B. on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Darren…

    It seems that the o-line disappears when ML is playing…and his choices have been very limited.

  105. By BluePitt on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Wow going off of what Whiz just said about Matt “surviving as a back up”.. and “how hard he has worked”.. WHY DIDNT HE GET THE REPS D.A. GOT TO GET IT GOING??????????

  106. By card62 on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    BluePitt

    You are definitely a Cardinal fan and want the best for the team. I agree with you on Whiz handling of Leinart and Anderson. Q is a beast and I wish he was still a Cardinal, but sometimes you can not pay everyone and it bothered me Q arguing with Haley during the playoff game. Time and a place for everything.
    Whiz is a first time head coach and no one will be perfect all the time and every one including Whiz will make mistakes. That said many teams have talented players in many sports and do not win or know how to win. Taking talent and winning in my opinion is coaching so I am very grateful to Whiz for giving me 2 of my greatest seasons of Cardinal football and there has only been 5 great years in 39 for me so I will cut him some slack, a lot of slack as he grows as a head coach. Like you and all fans I am watching him, but he is my coach and I hope he stays my coach for several more seasons. Denny and Rod did do a great job collecting talent including FItz, but it takes a good coach to win as any long time suffering Cardinal fan can tell you over and over again.

    Now for you other fans who do not get why we are upset over Derek Andereson you have not followed the story from the beginning.
    It is not that we are Matt Leinart lovers it is just Coach Whiz and his staff had 2 years with Matt and several more years of tape to know him inside and out when Kurt announced his retirement. No surprises from Matt in 2010.
    Coach Whiz and staff decides Matt is our man and does not go after established QBs. So we fans are nervous about Matt, but we say In Whiz we trust so we will ride with Matt for 2010 to know what we have. I do not remember any one on this board saying when Kurt retired hey we should go after Derek Anderson now there is a QB to lead us. So preseason comes and Matt is not given enough work to lead the team. Several other QBs in the NFL have not had very good preseasons and have not lost their jobs so we are very frustrated in Whiz for not going after a McNabb or Bulger or XXXXXX and he can also still sign Anderson and get rid of Leinart in the off season, but not the 3rd preseason game with Leinart receiving limited work. I hope Anderson makes the pro bowl as do all the other fans who are frustrated with the handling of Leinart and Anderson. What bothers us is that the whole QB situation since Kurt retired has not been handled logically. There is always risk, but our coaching staff did play the smart percentages for the most important position on our team. This is the QB story it goes back to last year when Kurt retired and not just this preseason. We all wish Anderson well now as I have a steak dinner bet on him leading us over the Rams, and Whiz is my coach but Whiz made a huge mistake in handling QBs.
    GO Cards and go DD – hopefully a Cardinal for life.

  107. By Scott H on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    OMG, just let’s just get this damn QB soap opera settled and get on with it. ENOUGH, ALREADY. I’m so tired of it. Pick a starter, name a back-up, decide what you’re doing with Leinart ( seems simple to me – either he’s your starter or he’s not here at all. ) and let’s roll. I don’t even care anymore who’s where on the depth chart. Give somebody the damn job and let’s get to work.

  108. By scott023 on Sep 3, 2010 | Reply

    Bluepitt, I also have been a cardinal fan.All the way back to 1969, I want the cards to win, I have stood by through the roughest times, and now we are true winners. Even when they still say we will never make it now that kurt is gone. Well, when he was here they said we had no chance, and we did very,very well. We did this under coach whiz. He see things and knows things we do not. He must make calls that may not taste well. However, when he takes in all the information and makes the best call for the team, we may not understand because we don’t know it all as he does. We must trust him to lead the rest of the way, we do this together. Go cards!

  109. By DJ on Sep 4, 2010 | Reply

    I think some of the Cardinals Fans do not realize what a fantastic coach we have and how fortunate we are to have Coach Whisenhunt here in Arizona. I think 99% of the original cardinal fans (that have been there since 1988) understand what an amazing job coach Whisenhunt has done here in Phoenix. We have had several credible and decent NFL coaches over the last 22 years but none of them have been able to overcome the pathetic management and pathetic leadership of the Bidwell’s. I seriously doubt that any of the other “top notch” coaches in the league could have accomplished what coach Whisenhunt has accomplished here with the Cardinals (and Bidwell’s). Most knowledgable people have known for the past few years that Matt Lienart had some deficiencies and would probably never develop into a good starting quarterback in the NFL. Whisenhunt is very smart and realized this a few years ago but I am sure he had to overcome the Bidwell’s influence in order to get Warner into the starting lineup a few years ago.

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