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Adding a QB hard to do

Posted by Darren Urban on September 29, 2010 – 9:32 am

Back in 2007, Kurt Warner suffered a nasty elbow injury when Carolina’s Julius Peppers fell on it while the two scrambled for a fumble, and the Cardinals were in trouble.

See, the week before, Matt Leinart had broken his collarbone and was out for the season. The Cards were only carrying two quarterbacks at the time, so, Tim Rattay came in off the street to back up Warner. And then Warner went down. Rattay played the rest of that game against the Panthers — a loss, even though the Panthers also had to bring Vinny Testaverde off the street to play QB because of injuries — and the offense looked understandably disheveled.

Warner came back the next week, amazingly, playing with a bad left elbow. Warner had to deal with pain and a funky brace, but the alternative was using Rattay (pictured below) when he just didn’t know what he was doing.

There is a reason teams aren’t adding quarterbacks midseason and then using them. Heck, there is a reason teams bring back players they have already cut if someone is needed — think Onrea Jones — instead of looking elsewhere. If you need to plug someone in right away, you want someone who knows the system. That’s why a trade (however silly the idea) of someone like Kevin Kolb would not work in the short-term even if he was available. Or why a team is going to be hesitant to claim a Trent Edwards and put him on the field right away.

There’s a reason Leinart, when he signed with the Texans, had no immediate chance to be the backup even over journeyman Dan Orlovsky. Orlovsky had been with the Texans all offseason. He knew the offense. Leinart didn’t/doesn’t. At best, it’ll be deep into the season before Leinart moves up the depth chart. This isn’t baseball or basketball, where a new player can slide right in and make an impact.

And in the case of the Cards, coach Ken Whisenhunt made the choice to go with the three quarterbacks he has now. He’s going to stick with that plan at least through the season (barring injury), which is why Derek Anderson remains entrenched as a starter and why, if the team were to make a change, rookie Max Hall would get the call rather than the Cards putting a call into, say, the UFL to see if ancient Jeff Garcia is available.


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90 Responses to “Adding a QB hard to do”

  1. By BigRedFan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    DA is a winner – just wait. Once things click, and Tim and Beanie and Hyphen are in there, things will happen. Until then, let’s get that 3-1 we are looking for!!!

  2. By Brent Utah on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Jeff Garcia sounds like a good idea right now

  3. By Tyrelle on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Well this is another test this week. The Chargers defense is tough. Whiz is sticking with him and everybody is behind him, but when you constantly put up horrible numbers folks are going to want somebody else. DA need to get on it. Sunday game will be tough.

  4. By tRiGiDy22 on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Garcia sounds Great Right about now! LOL

  5. By Mrbyte on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    It amazing on every forum I go to (I visit 3 regularly ) no matter what the threads subject I will garauntee there will be a post with in an hour of it satrting that says DA SUCKS could we get ….(fill in blank to suit) from ……….(fill in blank to suit)
    Its obvious no QB except for Matt could walk in here and make any real difference for all the reasons in Darrens article but I bet you anything you like the above article wont stop the call for us to sign someone/anyone
    I’m not DAs biggest fan (he’s looked pretty bad at times) but give the guy a chance he hasn’t had a single game yet with all our starters playing let alone had any practice with them all. First fitz and Beanie were injured then Early went down then when we get fitz a bit healthier and Beanie comes back Breaston goes down our two super rookie recievers have looked….like rookies. our entire O line has been reshuffled and isn’t playing great and Brandon Keith looks lost at the moment but some how signing someone off the street who doesn’t know the offense at all and putting him back there will improve matters ….hicarumba!!! its amazing that all Cards fans arn’t alcoholics

  6. By Sierra Vista Nick on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    I’m not all that worried. Whiz will have a game plan and the defense will step up. Seems whenever one of our key players goes down the rest of the team steps up.

  7. By AndyStandsUp on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    But I would think, Darren, that the WR situation is different in looking for established help. Your second, third and fourth receivers have been with the team for all of 5 months. I would think that a veteran, while not knowing the system, would have “inside knowledge” of how the NFL works.
    And if there is a next season, the possibility looms that Doucet, Breaston, Patrick(FAs) and Fitz(heading into final year of contract) leave.
    Even though the prognosis is short term as far as injuries for these guys, the team needs to look long term in signing a vet, IMO.

  8. By bobF on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren -
    Where do you think the breaking point will be that The Wiz can’t stick with DA any more and decides to take a chance/bail on the season with Maxy?

    2 more bad games?
    The Bye?
    When we are out of playoff contention?
    etc….

  9. By Peter in Canada on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Couldn’t agree with you more. I think you should have written this several days ago and it would have saved you a lot of work. Or are you paid according to the volume of blogs (lol)?

  10. By Chad on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    BigRedFan – where is DA’s history as a quarterback is he a “winner?” He certainly didn’t show it at Cleveland (unless you count losing your job to Quinn a “win”).

    Darren – if DA is entrenched as a started doesn’t that eliminate the competition that Coach Whiz so dearly loves? Also, why do you think there is such poor quality at QB in the NFL these days (Jax, Buffalo, AZ, SF, Cle, Oak, Car)? It seems there are enough decent QBs in college to make decent QBs in the NFL instead of continuing to rely on old vets like Testeverde or Garcia or Bulgar or Delhomme or Brunell.

  11. By hebrew on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,what you just said about qbs is right on the money.breaston’s injury may be a blessing in disguise.I repent of what I said abut DA. The Chargers better not be overconfident and we match up well against the Saints. Last years playoff loss was because our defense back field was banged up. All DA has to do is manage both games.

  12. By Joe on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    as long as there are more wins than losses we will stick with anderson whiz keeps talking about improvements but its not like this guy is a rookie if he doesnt have it by now you cant train it. I just want the cards to keep winning we have the Stars on D at wide reciever and RB to do so if QB is the onnly thing holding us back then we need to scrap the season and get max in there get him some training and work the draft like it matters next year

  13. By cardfaningb on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Why don’t we put a call into a qb who has a great understanding of the offense….um, Matt Lienhart.

    Oh that’s right after a couple of months with DA it was decided he could easily lead the offense much better than Lienhart.

    I’m so glad Lienhart at least got that ever evading b.s. promise to start and prove what he could do.

  14. By cardsfan44 on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    The Chargers D takes a lil bit of a hit losing Larry English. That looks to be a pretty good thing for the Cardinals run game. Go Cards

  15. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    BobF –

    RE: QBs

    Only Whiz knows that answer.

  16. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Chad –

    RE: dearth of QB talent

    The answer is there isn’t enough talent. Just because you can succeed in college doesn’t mean you will in the NFL. Some of the biggest QB busts were excellent in college.

  17. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Cardfaningb –

    RE: Leinart

    Leinart was never promised anything. He was installed as the starter. But he was never promised anything.

  18. By CArDzF@N206 on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Bottom line is DA suck @$$…. he never did anything in cleveland… If sum 1 get paid to play dey better be worth it…. dats it…. we got da talent we just need to execute right…. call right plays and da DA gotta deliver… our receivers r not getting dere stats where its suppose to be.. n we run if we can’t pass…

  19. By jdcrow59 on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Have been a fan since 1959. In that time there have been four “winners” at the QB position. Johnson, Hart, Lomax, and Warner. And an almost with Plummer. Anderson is what he is, and loving it or hating it isn’t going to change a thing. He is just the latest in a very long line of guys brought in with the thought that they could get the job done. It’s just a typical Cards move. So ride it out and hope for the best.and most of all be thankful we are in the NFC west. Anything is possible.

  20. By Daniel on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    Do you think the cards will improve their defense with signing Trevor pryce

  21. By Red Sea on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Cardfaningb-
    Leinart is worthless he had five years with us and didnt show or do anything for us, maybe you should be a texans fan if your so into matt (worthless) leinart. (THAT GOES TO EVERYONE ELSE STILL TALKING ABOUT LEINART, QUIT BRINGING HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    D.A. has been with us for less than a year and still has proved to us that hes better than leinart, for one he’s not scared to take a hit (rather than falling to the floor and taking a sack) he actually looks to make a play…2, why dont we put some of the blame on our o-line, it seems to me he never has enough time to do anything in there???… 3, he just needs a little more time with our WR’s, everyone knows that, so please everyone, as cards fans give him some time. were 2-1 so lets just focus on winning more and more…
    GO CARDS!!!!

    Darren-

    Has there been any conversation about Billy Davis not doing a good enough job to stick around?
    I know we have a awesome defense but, the way certain guys are used sometimes just dont make sense to me.
    For instance why does DRC always play 10 yards away from the wr?
    i’ve noticed hes much better when playing right at the line of schrimmage?
    And why cant we ever get to the quarterback? I thought we were supposed to have one of the best D-lines in the NFL?

  22. By BeatSF! on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – Any word if Whiz and Haley thanked each other for the help last week?

  23. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Daniel –

    RE: Pryce

    Everything I read says the Ravens are going to quickly re-sign him.

  24. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Red Sea –

    RE: Defense/Davis

    Well, I don’t know if there is proof it is an “awesome” defense. As Joey Porter said before the season, it is a defense of names, but that only matters on paper until it’s done in games.

    The Cards haven’t pressured the quarterback as much up front, and that does need to improve. The Cards play their DBs back in some schemes because they don’t want to give up the big play. Lot harder to go down the field in eight plays than in one big one. As for Davis, I haven’t heard anything to suggest he would be in trouble.

  25. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    BeatSF –

    RE: Haley

    I wouldn’t be shocked if they traded texts, but I don’t know for sure.

  26. By 98CardsFan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    They still have to bring in a Quarterback who can deliver and accurate ball and has played in the NFL. Get him in now and give him the playbook to learn over the next 3 weeks. By that time if (and its most likely) DA does not improve change. Also by then the team should be more run oriented and hopefully consistant at it. All you would be doing is having someone back there that can read a defense and just deliver the ball. Not asking for someone to come in off the street and create the next greatest show on turf, but come on man…Max Hall or Skelton? Forget that! Don’t even know there will be football next year so make this one a good one!

  27. By 98CardsFan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Red Sea-
    As a Cards fan it is quite clear Derek Anderson is not the answer. He may not have been a 1st round pick but you seem to believe in him like most did with Ryan Leaf just because of his big arm. So yes from what we saw in preseason between the two it should have been Matt Leinart’s job. You obviously blame him for the DB going at Fitz legs, you can try to blame him for Steve Breaston’s determination to get into the endzone against the Bears and being up ended(cause nobody wants to put effort out there for Matt), and you might as well blame him for handing the ball off to Wells who scooted outside and took a hit to his knee as well, just because it was Matt. I am by the way a Cardinals fan. Leinart was a Cardinal, Anderson was a Raven and Warner will go into the HOF as a Ram. It just doesn’t really matter who DAs receivers are and how much time he has with them he will never be more than a 50% com passer and that is not going to win games.

  28. By Judy on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren
    How do you know what Matt Leinart was or was not promised?
    As for the good QBs in college,failing in the NFL,i would say that is on the coaches.They draft them,and then bring in some old guy trying to hang on for a few more years.Then they expect the old QB to teach the rookie how to take his job.It is the coach’s job to teach the players.BTW who is Max,and John going to learn from?Derek Anderson?What a laugh.

  29. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Judy –

    RE: Promises

    Because nothing is promised to any of these players, other than the signing bonus. I guarantee that.

    As for the coaches, you’re saying the coaches — generally — are bad at developing QBs? That’s a pretty far-ranging statement. I’d argue Whiz, for instance, did a pretty good job coaching up Roethlisberger for three seasons before coming to the Cards.

  30. By Ben on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    But cutting your starting QB two weeks before the season is EASY TO DO????

    Sorry for all the negative posts towards your articles Urban, but I for one am PISSED about the direction this team is heading. Unless Max Hall is amazing the letting go of ML was a horible move. We should have gotten rid of DA, he is HORRIBLE!!

  31. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Ben –

    RE: Your feelings/QBs

    Yes, you have mentioned that once or twice.

  32. By jahstone on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Let’s try playing steady D, seriously minimize penatlies and mental errors, be healthy at WR, and gel that O line…if DA still sux then throw him to the wolves!!

    Nervous energy is no good…GET UP PEOPLE…GO CARDS!!!

  33. By Don't Take Losses on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    tru.

  34. By Don't Take Losses on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    PS: DA is not that far away. And he has guts..most important. We just may beat the Chargers. We have to quiet the naysayers every season.

  35. By Bob C on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    These guys just don’t get it. There are more 1st round quarterback failures than successes. The NFL is not ASU. Only rookies Ryan and Flacco have had success their first year, and there where plenty of reasonsfor that . IN WIZ WE TRUST!!!

  36. By jocards on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    It is certainly true that this isn’t like baseball where you bring a guy in and slide him right into your lineup, if a guy can hit, he can hit. Football is different, a new QB isn’t going to have a positive impact in the short term. He doesn’t know the system & hasn’t worked with the offense…it just doesn’t work that way. Assuming injury doesn’t alter the plan bringing in a new QB is not going to happen. We roll with Anderson, if he fails, it’s Max Hall. That’s the reality of the situation.

  37. By MikeG on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, I think these 2 back to back games will be the toughest on our schedule especially with Doucet and Breaston out. If we can splt this– we will be in good shape at the buy week. I would like to see us go heavy with the run game and have Anderson go to a more shorter controlled passing game. We definitely need to improve our Time of Possesion. Even if we have a 3 to 4 minute drive and don’t score–that can be a good thing. In our 2 wins we lost the turnover battle— but I don’t believe we can win these 2 weeks especially with our 2 wideouts inactive. Need some big plays again this week from Hyphen and a strong game from our punt unit. This week we need to win the turnover stat!!! I think we need to hang in there– the first 8-10 minutes and take the crowd out of it–if we do that we have a shot. Run game must get 120 yards or more this week!! What do you think??? Is that the recipe???

  38. By CaliCard on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    DA is merely keeping the position warm for Hall or Skelton until they learn the system. In all likelihood, it is a one-season tenure for DA, we will be rid of him, and the better QBs will take over.

    The Cards still have too many holes. The O-Line still isn’t ready for the power-running game, which we can’t run until Beanie earns the #1 spot anyway.

    Our ‘D’ needs to gel (& soon).

  39. By Sebastian Blax on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-

    Has there been any discussion of Skelton’s progress? If I recall correctly, AZ traded up to get him and it seemed apparent that he would fit well into Whiz’s system down the road (as John was compared to Big Ben). Obviously, Hall has come in and passed over John on the depth chart for now (kind of unimportant since we haven’t a quarterback controversy at this point) but have you heard anyone commenting on Skelton’s development so far? I’d be interested to hear if he’s at least on track for the expectations of a rookie/3rd string QB in a Whiz system.

  40. By TBru on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Why would the Charges be over confident after just loosing to the Sea Chickens? The Chargers lost a lot of talent this off season and surely are focused on their own house.

    and don’t call me Shirley

  41. By Cameron Hanse on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    I just wanted to reply to all these people saying these QB’s SUCK, if Matt Leinert or Derek Anderson were such bad QB’s then they wouldn’t be in the NFL in the first place, I just believe some players dont work that well with some organizations and that’s why they dont play at there full patential. For all we know Matt Leinert could play amazing in Houston, but he just didnt fit with the Cardinals organization, not every team finds a grat QB like Kurt Warner. The cardinals were lucky to have him when they did.

  42. By John L on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    The answer for this year is simple. Go with DA as long as we are in the hunt for playoffs. As soon as it escapes us, go to Hall. (As bad as the west is, that might take a while, if at all)

    The big question in my opinion is, do we like Hall enough to pass on a QB next year; like say Mallet or Luck (yes, I know they both could stay in college) This is where we can not miss. If the opportunity is there to trade up to get a franchise QB, and they pass it up, they better be sure Hall is the guy.

    I would not make the change at QB, But For this reason and this reason only(to make sure Hall can be the guy in 2011), I may consider Hall if DA really struggles. But it would be Denny Green-like to take out a struggling QB while the team is winning and you risk losing the locker room.

    By the way, the defense is struggling much more than DA.

  43. By stuck in Texas on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    Do you think its to much for the fans to want a GOOD team? I am very glad we have a very good coach.

  44. By James on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I’ve been wondering for some time; why didn’t the cardinals go after Donovan Mcnabb? I thought we (whisenhunt/graves) were not going after him because i heard we were going to stick with Matt Leinart since he was so patient and of course kurt warners heir. I feel like us fans were let down since it sounds like we were lied to, but i could be mistaken.

  45. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    MikeG –

    RE: Chargers

    All fair assessments.

  46. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Blax –

    RE: Skelton

    At this point, Skelton is kind of moot. They always saw him as needing a couple years of seasoning. Way to early to judge anything.

  47. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Stuck in –

    RE: Good team

    I would hope fans would want a good team. Absolutely. And they can be frustrated and express that. But in a league where change is constant, to demand the team be sold when we are three games into the season (and 2-1, actually) seems a little much. Even the best teams are going to have dips from time to time. That happens. And you have every right to complain — just like I have every right to challenge those complaints.

  48. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    James –

    RE: McNabb

    I have addressed this before. There were multiple reasons. He was older, he spent his career in a West Coast offense that wasn’t what the Cards run, he is in line for a huge contract extension next year when he was just dumped by a team (so it was questionable what he had left) and yes, Leinart was in the picture.

  49. By Scott H on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Jeff Garcia? Really??? Don’t think so. If he could still play, he’d be playing somewhere. Have you seen the level of QB play around the league this year??? With the exception of Kurt Warner, there’s not an un-employed QB out there that should be employed somewhere.

    Still asking about McNabb? Really??? Why? Seriously. What have you seen him do for the Redskins that makes you wish he were here? I really want to hear an answer to that.

    Like everyone else watching the NFL this year, I’m thinking that Vick is the guy who I wish were playing here! WOW! And I’m the first to say, I never said during the off-season he was the guy we should go after. But I sure wish we had. And as desperate as the Eagles were to have someone take him off their hands, we could have gotten him for cheap. Damn!!!!!

  50. By bird on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Ya, I can now see that it’s tough to ad a QB when the season started. Too bad. Maybe need to grab one for the future though. Probably cards are stuck with DA this year. As sad reality.

    Thanks for that explanation Darren.

  51. By darrel on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    I agree but I think they shoulda gotten him when he was fresh out prison it only took one team and he would have had 2years in our system and battle for startin job with ml this year the cardinals messed up I saw this coming b4 warner called it quits

  52. By TBru on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    If I hear the words McNabb, Vick, Warner or Leinart anymore, in regards to this season I think I will puke. Are other first place teams fans whining as much as Cards fans. sheesh.

  53. By card62 on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren been out of town traveling for business, but of course I have continued following the Cardinals and your blog. Cardinal fans have made a lot of interesting points and I am glad everyone continues to support our team and think of ways for us to be better. I have to tell you I had to go back and watch the Minnesota game from last year just to get the bad taste out of my mouth from these first 3 games. I still wish for Kurt Warner to pull a hamstring while he is dancing. Sorry can not help it. This is not Kurt’s fault thou as I blame Graves and Whiz for our QB disgrace. I like Whiz and want him to be our coach for many years, but we have to remember he is still a young pup at being a head coach and young coaches make mistakes, and he blew it big time not getting rid of Leinart in the offseason and bringing in McNabb or Bulger or quarterback X along with his beloved Errant Anderson. I go away and you guys forget his nick name. What is wrong with you?

    Darren to say I am worried about Rivers and Brees lighting us up the next two weeks is the understatement of the year. I feel the defense is the key the next two weeks for if the front 7 do not play a lot better than they have and if DRC forgets to take his 5 hour energy drink before the game again this game will be over quick and Errant Anderson will look bad but it will not be his fault as our defense not doing its job will put too much pressure on him and lets face it with Q gone and Breaston out and Doucet playing in the FFL, Flag Football League, the Chargers and Saints are going to key on our running game and Fitz. We need Fitz to play like he did during the superbowl run and our o line is not good enough to just line up and run the ball on either of these 2 teams.
    Darren to me it seems that our front seven are doing worse stopping the run and worse putting preasure on the QB than last year squad. I was wondering your thoughts on this and if you agree with me what do you think we can do to fix this for the next two games?

    Thank you Darren and since you did not take my reserve o line playing fullback suggestion to Whiz for the Atlanta game, and we all know how that turned out for the Cardinals, could you at least spike DRC’s Gatorade with some 5 hour energy before the Chargers game?

    GO Cards and remember fans this is going to be a tough year, but we have a wimpy schedule and we play in a horrible conference and just like 2 years ago all we have to do is receive an invitation to the dance and anything can happen in the playoffs, but like most of you I feel we have taken two steps forward and one step back in 2010, and I did not see this coming until the middle of the preseason so it really hurts..
    .

  54. By 98CardsFan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    I can’t believe I totally forgot about this guy, Brett Favre. The situation I suggested is most similar to this one.

  55. By Donnie on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    DA is gonna get better(can`t get any worse..lol)
    Really though,he did put together a couple solid drives last week,this week he puts together 4 solid drives and the Defense shows up and grabs another score..we can whip SD people…it can happen
    BTW..its just as easy to support your team and be optimistic as it is to bash them…One game at a Time!! ,look for Max Komar to put his stamp on the NFL Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. By NJAZCardsFan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Our Cards this year are like a Dragster with a 4 cylinder engine with DA as QB. He has been in the NFL for a numbers of years but still can’t complete a simple pass for lack of accuracy. If that isn’t resolved by the Chargers game it never will- he isn’t a rookie. It really doesn’t matter if our best WR’s are injured as no one can catch the errant passes DA throws. DA shows no evidence of improving period. Like alot of Cards fans, I have high hopes for this season, but with the current QB it is becoming obvious that we will be lucky to finish the seasons at 8-8. Without the miracles and luck the Cards have had their record really should be 0-3. I just don’t see the offense getting better without some major changes. It better happen soon if they are gong to stay in contention. The Cards games are starting to resmeble those in the Buddy Ryan era….. They have been just UGLY!

  57. By Billy Thomas on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Give Derek Anderson time guys. Like I said before, with the way the division is, after that win against Oakland (and I’ll call it a win because that PI call on DRC was incorrect so the missed FG gave us some justice), I’ll take whatever comes against SD and NO. We now have 4 weeks including the Bye to be prepared to go out against Seattle in Week 7. Let them take the 4 weeks and really work on getting everyone healthy and in sync. Don’t count DA out now because of what he’s done in the past. Give the man a shot to get his bearings. When Week 7 comes, if the team hasn’t turned around then let’s start the complaining.

    Does that sound like a fair idea Darren?

  58. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Billy –

    RE: Complaints

    Everyone is free to say what they want, within reason. But DA isn’t leaving the lineup for the time being, so I’d take that into account.

  59. By Joel L. on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, I am just curious, have you ever heard any grumblings from any Cardinals staff or players about Matt being let go?

  60. By nmcard on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    so some say DA is tough , can take some hits , he is tough, can get up , but I see it as he is a DA (dumb a** ) for taking bad shots also , not being able to read or get the pass off or just bad protection , throw it away , instead of trying to do things he has never been able to do

    DU , so if Trent Edwards is from kinda of the same mold and we did not want him !!, if we had Matt doing the same thing DA is doing ,would we want DA if he was elsewhere and got let go , I don’t think so , why does Whiz keep trying to make him what no one has been able to

  61. By kyleb on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    stop drinkin the the whizinade we are lucky to be 2-1 and nobody has steppsd up to do anything . the d commits way to many stupid penalties to play with good teams IE. atlata , and our offense cant keep drives alive with this many errant passes eventually they will become picks and we wont be so lucky so back away from the whizinade cooler.

  62. By Darren Urban on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Joel L –

    RE: Leinart grumblings

    In all honesty, no.

  63. By Carddan on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    Adding a QB is hard to do, losing one is very easy. Trent Edwards was “the future” in Buffalo. Jake DelHomme was the same in Carolina. There are many more example of failure than success. You could include DA’s experience in Cleveland, but the final story has not been written on him here. Some one asked what it would take for Coach Whisenhunt to bench DA. My bet is that it won’t happen unless we are eliminated from playoff contention. As a fan, I believe THAT won’t happen.

  64. By Shamus on Sep 29, 2010 | Reply

    You cardinal fans should just try and relax. Im an AZ native but I am a big time Steelers fan, but I have been watching the cards play since I was nine. DA came from a terrible situation in Cleveland and has not had his time to “blossom” out in this hot city yet. Remember, K.Warner was not the best qb when he first came here, fumbled a lot and made bad decisions when he was throwing down the field. But look what happened… now he’s a potential canidate for the H.O.F. DA has his work cut out for him, plus his starters keep getting banged up. But he was a pro bowler once (Kurt was a pro bowler too before coming to AZ), its rare to see a qb get into the Pro Bowl and then suck miserably just a few years later, especially with all the talent the cards have. Whizenhunt is the coach, don’t forget it cards fans. He will not let this team slide back down to the way they were before his and Grimm’s arrival. Just give this new team some time, they’ll be back in the playoffs for sure (especially with B.Wells running that ball). Hoping for another super bowl rematch against my boys in black and gold!!! Go STEELERS!

  65. By Ben on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks for listening to my rant urban. My wife is getting tired of all the frustration so I take it out here.

    I have always been a whiz supporter, but DA just looks so bad, I am going to be upbeat and positive from here on out, what do I have to lose, lol.

    Going to be in SD for the game sporting cardinal red for my 30th bday . Press level seats, if I see you do you sign autographs???

  66. By clssylssy on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Funny that Jake Plummer’s name would come up. When all this whoopla began
    back when Leinert was cut, it was my Plummer jersey I broke out to wear this season and notice that alot of other fans did too. Other teams are cutting QBs
    and replacing them in a heart beat and all I hear is how impossible it is to learn our system. What about the guy the Steeler’s cut, I would think Whisenhunt would be all over that, should be a kindred spirit. Speaking of the Steelers, you have to love to their belief that they could put anybody’s grandma in as QB and still win. Come on let’s buck up and stop being a bunch of whiners.

  67. By Yoshi on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    For some reason I feel like Max Komar is gonna have a good (if not breakout) game. Just felt like making that comment. When I see him on the field he just looks like he’s walkin around tryin to prove something. Which is probably how rookies should walk around, especially ones that have fumbled twice already. I just have a weird belief that he actually has it.

  68. By ben on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    enough with the leinart give it a rest its gone now

  69. By cardsalltheway on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    When did Max become Maxy? One word…SKELTON.

  70. By Tyrelle on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz is going to be in trouble if the Seahawks with a 1st year coach win this division. We had all the time in the world to pick up a DECENT QB and the front office refused. They better try and coach DA up.

  71. By tRiGiDy22 on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, What collage QB are u drafting. With are Number#1 overall pick?? Or do u bring in a Vet next year?? Thanks
    Bet u Fitz wants to know? Who’s throwing him the Ball before he signs extension!!

  72. By Darren Urban on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Ben –

    RE: Autograph

    Ha! If you’re looking for my autograph, you are one serious die-hard (and potentially a little touched in the head). Certainly though, say hello. I will have a suit on, but a red tie, so maybe that counts.

  73. By Darren Urban on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    clssylsy –

    RE: Steelers

    Of course, that’s what happens when your defense is a stone wall.

  74. By Darren Urban on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Trigidy –

    RE: QB draft

    Let’s see who is available and where the Cards are picking first.

  75. By tRiGiDy22 on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, Here is your 2011 free agent class! Tarvaris Jackson, Kellen Clemens, Chad Pennington, Kerry Collins, Bruce Gradkowski, Billy Volek,Donovan McNabb, Kyle Orton,Matt Moore,Matt Hasselbeck,Alex Smith,Shaun Hill, Tyler Thigpen, Jim Sorgi,Brodie Croyle,Seneca Wallace,Chris Simms, Rex Grossman, JT O’Sullivan,Troy Smith, or Trent Edwards????

    Darren,Can we just make a Trade for Klob??(LOL) sorry!

  76. By tRiGiDy22 on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Send the jet to Idaho! Were is the Snake’

    Doesn’t Neil Lomax live in Sun City??

    Wanted:Starting Quarterback, For Red-Birds! (now that there is No union!)
    accepting High-school QB Applications Tryouts held 10am 9-30-2010 Tempe!

  77. By Voice of Reason on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    I get the company line of too hard to bring in a guy that doesn’t know the system, but if you have a vet that understands how receivers run routes and where to throw the ball, can sense the pressure and check down when appropriate, AND you have a bye week coming up in three weeks (thus the first game in which this person might play could be four weeks from now — as long or longer than training camp goes), I don’t see the down side. Remember when Vinny Testaverde came in to Carolina, traveled here and beat us — he didn’t do anything miraculous. He just managed the game and did what was necessary.

    Jeff Garcia will sign for the minimum, and at the very least he’d be a good guy to mentor Max Hall on how to be a 6 foot quarterback in the NFL…

    So Cards, don’t let conventional thinking cloud your judgment here. This division is ripe for the taking, and we don’t need Kurt Warner (amazingly) to do it. We just need a vet that can complete 58% of his passes and manage the game. DA isn’t that guy, and Jeff Garcia is. For the league minimum, why the heck not take a flyer on the guy?

  78. By Voice of Reason on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren — in response to your response to Trigidy –

    If the Cards aren’t careful, they WILL be picking first. And in this year, in this division, with this schedule, it would be a downright shame that a division banner would be hanging in Seattle.

  79. By joe on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    da is a good qb not great but good, the fans need to b behind him and he will get better, wise will see to that. i cant believe how fans turn on the team so quick ( we were cardiac cards with warner and im pretty sure we will be with da also, who would think any differ?) Having a Cards team like we have had the last few years i know makes everyone edgy cuz we dont want it to stop and everyone is affraid of going back to the old cardinals but one BIG DIFFERENCE, Wisenhunt, So the haters need to stop jinxing the team, cards need TRUE fans to back them.

  80. By cardsalltheway on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Tyrelle…”We had all the time in the world to pick up a DECENT QB and the front office refused?”
    Yes, and it was done in the draft when the Cards traded up to get SKELTON. I thought most Cardinal fans really wanted the best QB to play but it seems as thougth they only want the undrafted one who might sell more jerseys.
    I don’t get why it seems so many like Max Hall??? God Help Us If/When the Local Boy gets in again!!!
    For the last time(or maybe not)…Preseason is OVER and doesn’t count, PUT THE BEST QB SKELTON in the darn game. He won’t get squished and/or have countless passes blocked when passing. I’m sick and tired of Local Boy Fans!!!

  81. By Scott H on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    joe -

    Thanks for the tip that DA is not a great QB…I was kinda’ un-decided about that and then I saw your post. NOT! C’mon, man. I respect your opinion but I don’t even agree that he is an average QB in this league as a starter. I think he is an adequate back-up at best, well-suited to get you through 2-4 games without sinking the ship but nothing more. As a 16-game starter? I don’t see it. He’s played three games and has been thoroughly un-impressive. IF he’s got more than he’s shown so far, then he better start showing it. Like, NOW!!!

  82. By rayincali on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Straight and simple DA sucks, We all know he is not a KW, But excuses are like A22h0les ever one has them. Its going on week 4 and all i keep reading is DA has not had all of his starters, or he did not have much time with the starting lineup during preseason. DA is a so called professional, He is being paid millions to play. DA you better be prepared for SD this week, If you keep playing the way you have been you alone will take the cards down to where they were 5 years ago, a laughing joke… NO MORE EXCUSES, get the damn ball to fitz…. 2 – 1 by luck…

  83. By Voice of Reason on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Joe, I am no hater. I have not missed a Cardinal snap in 15 years, even when I lived out of state. I certainly cheer for DA and any other player lacing them up for us.

    But let’s get real. DA is completing less than 50% of his passes, and for his CAREER he’s something like 53%. Asking for 58-60% doesn’t seem like much, but it is — roughly two more passes complete over the course of a game. Two more first downs. Two more drives kept alive by hitting an open receiver. Two more third down conversions. More points. More wins.

    Why has Jeff Garcia won pretty much everywhere he has been (except the one year in Detroit)? Simple. He’s routinely at least 58% completion percentage, and has been over 60% on multiple occasions.

    If this were five years ago and Seattle was the clear dominant team and we were the “up and comer”, I’d say let’s keep DA in there and see if he can improve.

    But our division is atrocious. It’s right there for our taking — all we need is a guy that can hit a receiver on third down to keep a drive alive. I love DA’s personality and toughness — he has just shown subpar accuracy, and WE WILL LOSE THIS DIVISION TO AN INFERIOR TEAM if his accuracy doesn’t improve immediately. We’re 2-1 because of luck and luck only.

  84. By clssylssy on Sep 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren:
    In preseason our defense was looking alot like the beginnings of a Steeler stonewall. My point is, with the right mental attitude, anything is possible. Allusion, intimidation, whatever works. Maybe we should get creative, it couldn’t hurt.

  85. By Bill L on Oct 1, 2010 | Reply

    Only PART of a story…..the WEAK part. A sliver of truth came out with Boldin’s comments. Another sliver came out on NFL TV where it was said….the decision as to whether the Cards had a Starting NFL QB was made before, long before training camp. It was made that Leinart was that starting NFL QB.

    Give that bit…..add in DA was NEVER intended to be a starter….add in Matt was #1 thru training camp and had much better stats than DA thru 2 PRE-SEASON games…….SOMETHING HAPPENED between Matt and Whiz. Whiz’s explanation is BS so far……whatever happened was worth stripping the QB position, FOR NOTHING, and leaving the Cards with a Journeyman and rookies. IT must have been BIG….it will come out…..NOT HERE of course. Then Cards fans can fairly judge…….was it worth destroying the team…..FOR YEARS!!

  86. By dmface on Oct 1, 2010 | Reply

    DA is not a winner. He does not come from a winning enviornment. Which why I am baffeled he was picked up. I am more baffeled as why the team did not attempt to get McNabb or Vick. I want to see the birds succeed, but I am not sure the orgination wants to succeed.

  87. By dmface on Oct 1, 2010 | Reply

    @everyone. how about after week 15 when the team is 2-13 we all say “hey, it’s DA’s first year here..come on give him a chance.” Winning is about “right now”. Cards have won two consecutive division titles, now is not the time to ease up on the throttle. The Cards should be in a position to own the NFC West for years to come. Bring in a guy who has been with a losing programming to lead the ship is flat out comical to say the least. When was the last time you saw a QB with a history of losing go to another team and be successful? The way things are going the Cards will get the first pick in next years draft. Truly Sad, but maybe they will get a QB.

  88. By Darren Urban on Oct 1, 2010 | Reply

    dmface –

    RE: Cards record

    You coming back in here then, if say, the Cards are 8-7 and going to SF with a chance to win the division?

  89. By CArDzF@N206 on Oct 2, 2010 | Reply

    I agree with dmface… we dnt want to be @ 8-7.. we want to own da west.. sweep all da west team.. not to determine on the last game of the season… we need to be numero uno.. get it? I think if DA dnt play good against da Chargers den he should be bench… our defense r gettn tired in dere.. offense need to keep in control of the ball.. need to improve time of posession. Come on now this is the pro. Everyone should be on the pro level at this time… Our rookie wideout r good. It is up to DA to make dem better…

  90. By Darren Urban on Oct 2, 2010 | Reply

    CArDz/dmface –

    RE: Record/QB

    I understand no one wants to be 8-7. But the odds say that if you go to a rookie quarterback, you’re not going to have an 8-7 record, it will be worse (not impossible, but again, the odds are against you). I’m not saying Derek definitely gets you there either, but again, the odds are greater with him. This team isn’t a 12- win team. It wasn’t last year either with all the players it had. There has to be reality. And this isn’t about holding the team to a higher standard. As frustrating as it is, fan anger isn’t driving these guys to win another two/three games.

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