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The worth of a wide receiver

Posted by Darren Urban on October 6, 2010 – 9:28 am

Interesting today that, on the day Randy Moss was traded by the Patriots to the Vikings than Kent Somers addressed the elephant in the room when it comes to the Cards’ current quarterback situation — the future of wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald.

The first thing that crossed my mind when it came to Moss is, while the guy is a great talent, he cannot be considered one of the greats. Why? Because a great is not traded four times. I understand one deal, or one free-agent jump at the end of a career. It happens, and it happens to a lot of talented players. But Moss has now been traded from Minnesota to Oakland to New England and back to Minnesota — shockingly so, by the way, because of the way he acted there the first time — and he still can play at a high level.

Only one reason for that. He’s not worth it long-term.

Fitz, on the other hand, is worth it.

That’s why, as Kent writes and as those of us around the team have talked about at length, figuring out the quarterback situation is so huge. Fitzgerald is basically in a contract year this year. His deal is set to expire after the 2011 season and the Cards can’t franchise or trade him (no-trade clause) so they need to extend him. And they want to. Of course, not only can Fitzgerald ask for the moon after this season, he will also be deciding if he wants to. A wide receiver is only as good as the guy throwing him the ball — Fitz’s numbers are down this season, and it’s not because he suddenly is playing poorly, or because he was hurt. It’s because of the issues at QB.

I am sure that will be a topic discussed many, many more times in the future. Today, it just underscores why some talented guys bounce around this league despite their skills, and others with skills are to be held on to tight.


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60 Responses to “The worth of a wide receiver”

  1. By Tyrelle on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Fix your QB situation and we wouldn’t be in this predicament.

  2. By mario8267 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    From the look of this picture……. its not a good sign.

  3. By Greg on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    I can deal with a rookie having a bad season even a second year man but when you have a guy thats been in the league 5-6 years and still plays poorly then you have to worry we have a great team they just dont act like it in my eyes weve had 4 loses this year we are not 2-2 more ints than tds doesnt make me even wanna watch my favorite team the dissapointment gets too you after a while

  4. By Eric on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Good commentary, Darren. Do you see any scenario where he isn’t a long-term Cardinal? I suppose another year of uncertainty at qb might make him look elsewhere.

  5. By Former Steeler Fan on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    In a related matter i.e. which QB will start this week, I’m predicting that Whiz will choose DA and put him on a VERY short leash.

    I agree with that decision.

  6. By Jesse Robles on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    I feel if Max Starts this week, we play NO Saints, then he takes more first team reps plus the bye week which is more reps, then we should be decent at QB. Not saying that he is going to GREAT, but it looks like DA isn’t taking any reps at all. We need some kind of leader back there.

  7. By Chris Waldrop on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    It’s really unfair to say Randy Moss isn’t one of the greatest receivers of all time because of “the way he acted.” It’s difficult to imagine that his single season record for TD receptions is going to be matched any time soon. And even in these later years of his career he makes DBs look slow and just….bad. Maybe he is not one of the classiest players to have ever graced the field, but he still deserves to be mentioned with the other all time great receivers.

  8. By Marcus on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Pick up McNabb in the offseason,draft Luck or Locker!!

    I gottcha bro!

  9. By Jesse Robles on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    It is funny how Vikes can Get Moss and Seahawks can get Lynch, but the Cards CANT MAKE MOVES during the Season?? Hilarious

  10. By LadyCard04 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Without our passing game (Warner, FItz, Boldin and to a lesser extent Breaston), the Cardinals would not have made it to the playoffs the last two years. Without Warner and Boldin this year it will take a miracle of historic proprtions for the Cards to make it to the Super Bowl. (With the deplorable division we are in, it is possible to make the playoffs. We might actually deserve the title of “worst team to make the playoffs” this year)

    If we lose Larry Fitzgerald, we are back being pretty bad at just about everything. We have a porous O-line and our defense is sketchy at best. Our special teams play is erratic and until we can do something about punt returns we are really in a pile of stuff.
    Just getting a functional qb is not the answer. All sides of the ball must be working together and we don’t seem to be doing that at all this year.

  11. By brad Oneill on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    How can you say fitz numbers aren’t related to his injury. He was out of sync with the qb in the first game because they hadn’t had any time together. that was a direct result of his injury. We saw Breaston catch everything thrown to him in the same game that fitz was targeted a bunch of times for very few catches.

    I think if fitz and derek had spent more time together they would have gotten on the same page. i still think derek would miss some throws but fitz should still be good for a 100 yards a game with the ones that do get there.

    of course they don’t have that luxury, so now its time to see how max does putting it up for larry.

    if it was my team, this week would be the max and komar show, since they seem to have the best chemistry of those who are playing. with a few shots to larry and stephen williams. to keep the defense honest. and of course it would be run run run run run run run throw to komar. run run run run throw to komar, run run run run throw to komar, throw to fitz, run run run.

  12. By georgiebird on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    All of this talk is nonsense.
    The Patriots have lost more players and coordinators over the past 10 years and Bellichik keeps everything going. Today the Pats lost Moss and they will be just fine. The Cardinals lose Boldin and it’s the end of the world.
    I understand that the Pats have Brady but there is always an “out with the old in with the new with the Pats”. The schemes are perfect for each game.
    For the record- the Cardinals are the healthiest team in all the NFL. It’s time for Whiz to produce with the players he and Graves draft. If he can’t do the job, the Cardinals should go get a more insightful HC– No excuses.

  13. By H. King on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Its so sad to see my team falling apart. Its also sad that the Cards are realizing this so long after Warner’s absence. I believe the team should have been going through this “rebuilding” stage long before Warner left, so Fitz and the rest of the team wouldn’t have to be so concerned about the possibility of losing him.

    I want to sit down to watch a Cards game and know I am about to watch a killer game and enjoy watching some seriously awesome plays and talented players. I am stuck way out here in Kansas, in KC land. Get your act together guys! Your fans miss you and our TV remotes are taking way too much abuse at this point! My boyfriend is a KC fan….I am a Cards fan….I’m praying to see you guys stomp them! Or at least give them a good game. I will never trade sides….but I want a reason to watch the games!

  14. By Michelle on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    I think we better get us a QB and fast. We can not lose Fitz he is the man! I feel bad for him because his numbers are down this season and its because of DA. I think he stinks! We need to try out Hall and if that doesnt work well…..then we have to get a QB after this season. We should of grabbed MCNABB when he was out there. All I know is they better not start this game against the Saints with DA. He always throws behind the recievers. Thats an interception waiting to happen. He didnt put any points on the board, Hall helped by getting the ball down in field goal range and then we got the fumble. Come on we need to play better then that and we have the talent to do it!! GOOO CARDS!!!

  15. By Rosie on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Get a QB and that problem will be solved.

  16. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Eric –

    RE: Fitz

    I still believe Fitz is a career Card. He believes in Whiz, and that helps. (So would many millions of dollars).

  17. By 98CardsFan on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    So let’s make Fitz happy, get him a Quarterback. Alas there is a backup who would do well here and with the trade of Lynch to the Seagals and Moss back to the Vikings it can be done. Those teams want to win this year, we should make at least half that effort. Again though, regardless of what we do Fitz will be the one to make that ultimate decision and no doubt will be the highest paid WR ever. Should dwarf A.Johnson’s. So not only getting something done to win now it could also determine our chances here on out after the season.

  18. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Georgie –

    RE: Whiz

    I know you are a long-time fan. And I know you are suffering right now. But the idea — even the idea — that Whisenhunt should be fired is ludicrous.

  19. By 98CardsFan on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    What about a blockbuster trade for Cutler??? lol

  20. By GregP on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    I bet you are exhausted at night!! Just wanted you to know what you do is appreciated by a lot of fans out there – they just aren’t as vocal as some of the others… :) And anyone who wants to complain about our O line needs to ask Jay Cutler how he is feeling right now!

  21. By chris thomas on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    We can NOT afford to lose Fitz! We have screwed up in the past letting great players go if we want to compete we need Fitz to stay and be productive. Fix the QB problem we have a awesome team we just need a QB who can lead it.

  22. By Bill L on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    OMG, the Hits Just Keep Coming……sign a 5 year deal that reduces to 4 with NO TRADE and NO FRANCHISE clauses…..and is coming to an end with an NFL journeyman and an un-drafted rookie behind a horrible O-line as your only options……beautiful, just beautiful.

  23. By kingdiamond on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz and management knew that Matt was not their guy in June. Then they
    failed to sign McNabb (who wanted to play here), Bulger, and did not even make an effort for Trent Edwards (okay, not much of an improvement, but give me this one). Heck, they could even put Jamarcus Russell on the practice squad to see he he has anything left. Russell has apparently been thru rehab and is working with a conditioning coach and a life coach (shrink). If Vick can come back from dog fighting then Russell should be able to come back from cough syrup. I hate to think that Hall or Skelton will be thrown into the fire too soon and will ruin them for good.Worse yet, unless we change something quick, we will see a mass exodus of talent just like the old days. Stop the madness!

  24. By Jerry on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    You said recently that a trade for a QB or signing someone unsigned is not a logical option because of the need to know the offense. Would this still apply to the situation? Neither Anderson nor Hall seem to know how to manage a team while under pressure or while having time in the pocket.

    It appears now as though a fresh QB in our organization would be as fitting as our own QB’s in our offense.

    I see that it appears there won’t be a 2011 season, but wouldn’t it still make sense to appeal to a QB that could lead our franchise for another 3 to 4 years. I mentioned this quite awhile ago and want to reiterate, we should have gone after Vick, McNabb, or Roethlisberger in this past off season. You disagreed with me when I mentioned these options and it appears, at least in the first two options, that they are all having success leading their respective teams. With Roethlisberger returning I would assume he will come back in and prove a solid viable option that we did not pursue.

    Beanie was right! – “I have no clue what they’re thinking upstairs – I’d like to know.”

  25. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Kingdiamond –

    RE: McNabb

    He was traded to Redskins long before June.

  26. By Zapp on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Clearly Fitz is our top priority now that Dockett has re-signed has their been any talks of a new contract for Fitzgerald. We can’t let him go to free agency someone will pay way too much for us to keep him. Not that he is not worth every penny.

  27. By David Robles on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Do we have a QB or can FItz throw it to himself?

  28. By jbird on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    in regards to the above pic, Fitz does that before every game. He goes to the very end of the d line bench and sits by himself for a few min. No body talks to him till hes done. Must be a pre game ritual.

  29. By kingdiamond on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren:

    Okay, but Whiz knew Matt wan’t his guy and McNabb wanted to play here!

    Nonetheless, management dug us into a hole-a long tern one-unless they do something fast!

    I really hope Max is the answer, but am afraid he will be ruined because of the circumstances.

  30. By Justin on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    DA is not the answer period!!! Kurt was able to get us through rough patches, but DA fails miserably…there is no instant cure, just play better and have some darn PRIDE!!

  31. By phoenixraven1 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Fitz is going nowhere! He makes a lot of $ with U of P also which is local…But it is scary but I don’t think the team prez will let the number one selling merchandise number 11 leave town!

  32. By Jarret on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz should be fired? Get a grip people, before him this was one of hte worst teams in football. A slow start for this team should be no suprise with all the changes, they are still .500 in a rather weak division this year. They were slow out of the gates last year too. I know Warner is gone but this years schedule is a lot more favorable also, why is everyone giving up already? Have a little faith, since when did cardinal fan start to sound like eagle fan?

  33. By Unzipped on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Yeah, your right Darren…Moss is not a great player (please see his not so great stats below)….the NFL is not a league that features trades, so you can’t say he’s not great because he was traded 4 times, there’s nothing to compare it to. It’s a free agent league. The fact that teams traded FOR HIM more than once says more about how how great he is than his lack of value. I mean the team that shipped him off first was willing to bring him back. And it wasn’t because of his excellent driving skills. Moss is a great, once in a lifetime player, period. Ask Brett Favre, this is the second time he’s lobbied to play with him. He may know a thing or two about great players. By the way Moss teams are 110-86 with him, not a bad winning percentage. He will be in the Hall of Fame, and by definition it means he is a great player.

    Thanks,

    Tyler

    Career highlights
    4-time All-Pro selection.[72]
    Is second on the Minnesota Vikings all-time receiving touchdown list with 90. Cris Carter holds the record with 110 receiving scores.
    Caught his 100th touchdown pass in 2006 against San Francisco (on a pass he caught with his legs), the seventh player to do so.
    Holds the record for most touchdowns in Minnesota Vikings playoff history with 8.
    10 1,000+ yard receiving seasons – 2nd all-time
    64 career 100 yard games – 2nd all-time; most recent November 15, 2009
    151 touchdown receptions – 2nd all-time
    77.7 receiving yards per game – 2nd all-time
    152 total touchdowns scored – 4th all-time
    14,604 receiving yards – 6th all-time
    935 career receptions – 10th all-time
    Has completed 4 of 8 passes for 106 yards and 2 touchdowns, with 1 interception, giving him a 95.8 passer rating.
    Only player to catch 90+ touchdown passes, return a punt for a touchdown, and throw 2 touchdown passes.
    Has played on the two highest scoring teams (for a single season) in NFL history: 2007 Patriots (589 points) and the 1998 Vikings (556 points)
    Had a career-high 12 receptions for 204 yards against the Chicago Bears, at Soldier Field, on November 14, 1999 in a 27-24 overtime win.
    Holds the Vikings record for most 100 yard receiving games with 41.
    Has two touchdowns or more in 39 different games (including 3 in the postseason); most recent September 26, 2010
    Has two touchdown receptions or more in 37 different games – (2nd all-time)
    Has three touchdowns touchdown receptions or more in 9 different games – (2nd all-time): at Dallas (Nov. 26, 1998), a 46–36 victory; vs. Chicago (Dec. 6, 1998), a 48–22 victory; at Detroit (Oct. 1, 2000), a 31-24 victory; vs. New York Giants (November 19, 2001) a 28-16 victory; vs. San Francisco (Sep. 28, 2003), a 35–7 victory; at Buffalo (November 18, 2007), a 56–10 victory; at Miami (November 23, 2008), a 48–28 victory; vs. Tennessee (October 18, 2009), a 59–0 victory; vs. Jacksonville (December 27, 2009), a 35–7 victory.
    Caught a career high four touchdowns at Buffalo (all in the first half). (Nov. 18, 2007)
    Had an interception while playing defense in the last few seconds of the first half of the Patriots’ game against the Denver Broncos on October 11, 2009.
    Has 4 career two-point conversions
    Youngest player in NFL history to record his 120th receiving touchdown. (30 years, 313 days)

  34. By Jerry on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    O-Line probs ask Cutler? Cutler was terrible sitting in the pocket for way too long.

  35. By georgiebird on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I did not say that Whiz should be fired now. But he has to be put on notice that this type play is unacceptable. It is my feeling that Warner was the overwhelming reason for the magic carpet ride- not Whiz.
    With the dismal play, I look at Whiz as part of the problem. No Cardinal coach before him had the advantage of a beautiful home stadium and the increased spending levels of the Bidwills.
    The Cardinals as a rule do not fire coaches but let them serve out the contract. It’s also true that when Cardinals get rid of HCs, they don’t HC again in the NFL. Two exceptions- the great Don Coryell and Joe Bugel who was horrible in Oakland but did it as a favor for Al Davis.
    Do you know what ludicrous is- It’s for a team(SD) who just beat our brains out to take a LB from our practice squad and put him on their 53 man roster- that’s ludicrous.

  36. By Bill L on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Maybe some Light at the end of the Tunnel, but it will take a long time…..unless Whiz can pull off a Lake Placid moment with DA, Hall or someone else…..that light may be a train on his track.

    Really no use having a Fitz receiver unless you have a QB that can get him the ball. So if he leaves, all that will be missed is the memory of the Warner years…..not much from NOW or the Near Future……since we have no QB and prospects are dim for the near future,

    Not much sense(as opposed to NO) in having a QB without a good O-line. Nobody will catch a thrown ball from a QB on his back.

    So we could very well be left with No QB, No O-Line, No star receiver, and very little hope……….to me that means Choo Choo……if the owners will reach out to Parcells or Belichick or the best of their deciples to rebuild not just the team, but the entire franchise……front office…..coaching…….personnel…..scouting…vision……direction.

    I KNOW we are not good……I can live with that……but I can ask for real hope.

  37. By Nate Wong on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    FITZ is worth it!!! YEAH!!!!!

  38. By tsj on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Randy Moss isn’t considered one of the ALL-TIME GREATS ? That is the most ignorant thing that I have ever read in sports history. And your reasoning behind it, makes you appear even more stupid. You can’t equate his off the field antics, with his on field performance. By that logic, you ‘ll be saying Tiger Woods was never that great either ? ….you probably do think that don’t you ?

  39. By Sorry fitz on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    I love fitz and watching what he does on the field is amazing but if im fitz and the end of the season is what it is now, im seriously considering leaving. Doesnt matter how much i like the team – is anyone going to remember ” man fitz was and awsome receiver and he stayed with his team even though he never got a 1000yrds again ” Hell no – fitz obviously loves the game and strives to be the best. If he could throw himself the ball , he would stay. I just hope all this gets worked out quick!! I dont want to lose him

  40. By Dan on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Did anyone think the Cards would miss Boldin as much as they do? He’s tearing it up in Baltimore. Maybe Fitz will end up as his teammate again. The Ravens know talent and pay their players what they’re worth.

  41. By cardsbigredfan on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    In a way you could kind of relate your idea of a great, to Lebron James. He had no chance of winning in Cleveland so he went to the Heat, were his best chances of winning are. If fitzgerald is on a losing team that cant get him the SB ring he really deserves, than he will probably talk about getting traded. If we lose Fitz we lose all hope.

    We need to get a QB that can actually get the ball to him, we also need to fix our O-Line for the Defending world Champs, NO, New Orleans.

  42. By Justin on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    unzipped said it best. Not only is he one of the greats, he might be the greatest ever. Come on Urban, your better then this.

  43. By card62 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren you had a bad moment.
    Randy Moss can be traded 10 times and he is an all time great. Jerry RIce is my favorite and I like a few more over Moss, but Moss is a first ballot hall of fame receiver and I wish we would have traded our 3rd round pick of 2011 for him. I wish even more we would have traded our 3rd round pick of 2010 for him.

    Go Cards beat Saints and shake it off Darren.

  44. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Card62 –

    RE: Moss

    Not saying Moss hasn’t been a great receiver. But you’ll never convince me an all-time great who is still in his prime would be traded four times. All-time greats aren’t that easily expendable. They don’t dog it as often as Moss does either.

    And mark my words, he doesn’t get in the HoF on the first ballot.

  45. By Eazy E on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren, how many teams jerry rice play for other than san fran? Oakland, seattle, and denver after san fran before he retired. I’m sorry but anybody thinking moss isn’t an all-time great is fooling themselves. I also agree with Jesse Robles everybody making deals it seems like mid-season or in-season except for us go and get vick NOW!!!

  46. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Eazy —

    RE: Moss

    Not about teams after the first. He was hanging on after Oakland. Teams let him go because he couldn’t play anymore. That’s not Moss’ problem.

  47. By cheesebeef on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Do you think the Cardinals negotiated a horrible contract that allows Fitz not only to get the 10 million per he was seeking but ALSO a contract that voids after 4 years AND the inability to franchise tag him AND Trade him? Could ANY FO be defended for putting itself in the position where it had to dole out a contract like that?

  48. By Eazy E on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    You get Vick and that would definately satisfy fitz into a fat contract fitz wants a great qb throwing him the ball or he will leave he loves the team and whiz but still if the qb ain’t right see ya! McNabb somebody that is a beast of a qb.

  49. By Eazy E on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Yeah and im saying Moss is a monster and for sure is a all-time great wr.

  50. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Cheesebeef -

    RE: Fitz contract

    Had no choice. If you go back at the time, the Cards were up against the salary cap. It was re-do Fitz’s deal or make no offseason moves. It kept them from getting Faneca at the time. They had to give Fitz what he wanted (or cut him). I am guessing no one wanted that.

  51. By cheesebeef on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Had no choice… this is short-term thinking Darren. Note I asked about the FO putting them in a position to be put over a barrel and that all starts with the arcane way this team structures it’s rookie contracts, a practice that continued to bite us in the ass this year forcing us to cut Rolle and we would have faced next year with Matt (if he didn’t end up stinking up the joint).

    Is the team still structuring their rookie contracts this way? And wouldn’t it have been beneficial for this organization to have a little forward thinking re-doing Fitz deal BEFORE it got to the point where he could do anything he wanted to us? It’s not like we didn’t know he was a mega-stud from the second we saw him mature into an absolute beats in his second season.

  52. By tRiGiDy22 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, do u think Larry is that Great without the Double team??

    Larry is broken hearted without (Bolden,Warner)

    Doucet,Breaston will never replace Q never! lets Face it!

    Q got out, u know how Larry feels? he wishes he was Q!

    Moss, in Minnesota more chance Larry goes home lets face it!

  53. By mario123 on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    we can NOT lose Fitzgerald

  54. By Cardsalltheway on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Larry Fitzgerald is gone at the end of the year…PERIOD! You can thank the Cards Head Coach for that, unless Skelton gets the chance he deserved after his remarkable 1st preseason game performance and then inexplicable immediate demotion afterwards.

    Darren, “There is irony Hall will get his first chance against the Saints and quarterback Drew Brees, who, like Hall, isn’t the biggest guy (both are about 6-foot-1). In the preseason, when Hall led multiple scoring drives in the final preseason game, some teammates were even calling him “Drew.”
    And with Hall’s undrafted status, comparisons to the Cards’ former undrafted QB – Kurt Warner – have also been made.”
    The difference between Drew Brees and Hall — Hall has a skinny neck that can easily be snapped one way or another and Brees has a thick neck. The difference between Kurt Warner and Hall — Iowa didn’t have an NFL team and if they did they wouldn’t have foolishly stuck Warner in as a starting NFL QB when no other team wanted him and when a guy like John Skelton stands on the sideline. Some say Hall is better than Skelton b/c of his scrambling ability yet he got sacked 6 times in one half. Others have compared him to Fran Tarkenton, I don’t think Fran the Man ever got sacked 6 times in one half.

    Darren, “And mark my words, he doesn’t get in the HoF on the first ballot.” What if the Vikings win the Super Bowl this year and then Moss goes to or wins another Super Bowl on another team? I think you’re counting Moss out a little early and really…1st, 2nd, 3rd, ballot, does it really matter once you get in? Like “Easy E” pointed out, Jerry Rice played for 3 professional teams and tried to play for a 4th(Broncos).

    Easy E, “he loves the team and whiz” How do you know Fitz loves the Cards Head Coach?

    Darren, “But you’ll never convince me an all-time great who is still in his prime would be traded four times.”
    I’ve seen/heard of crazier things happening to players(cut) or employees by management than being traded a few times. I don’t think Moss has gotten into too much trouble legally and I don’t care whether management likes a guy or not. I care about whether the guy can play/perform. It sounds like you’re a management guy while I’m on the side of the worker.

    King Diamond “I hate to think that Hall or Skelton will be thrown into the fire too soon and will ruin them for good” I think the Cards Head Coach is already working on ruining Skelton’s confidence by starting an undrafted player in front of him. What did Skelton do to deserve that? Oh yeah, he played a great 1st preseason game then got demoted.

    Michelle, “We need to try out Hall and if that doesnt work well…..then we have to get a QB after this season.” Did you forget about John Skelton?

    Georgiebird, “Do you know what ludicrous is- It’s for a team(SD) who just beat our brains out to take a LB from our practice squad and put him on their 53 man roster- that’s ludicrous.” What that tells us is that the Cards and Beannie Wells should’ve been able to exploit the weak /injured Charger linebackers but for whatever reason the Cards Head Coach/coaching staff foolishly failed to do.
    Cardsbigredfan, “We need to get a QB that can actually get the ball to him,” We have a QB with more tools than Hall, his name is John Skelton and he is much taller than M. Hall which means not as many of his passes would be blocked compared to Halls(click on the link below).

    Bill L, “Maybe some Light at the end of the Tunnel, but it will take a long time…..unless Whiz can pull off a Lake Placid moment with DA, Hall or someone else….” And that “someone else” is John Skelton. I wonder why so many people seem to forget about him and his no doubt questionable demotion after his fantastic 1st preseason game. This is to show or remind people about John Skelton(MUST SEE)… http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133

  55. By Darren Urban on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Cheese –

    RE: Rookie deals

    Leinart in 2006 was the last deal set up that way.

  56. By Eazy E on Oct 6, 2010 | Reply

    Thank God that was the last contract setup that way because that was killing the team

  57. By Kimberly on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    Kurt Warner should pull a Bret Farve and come back but don’t play with it over and over like Bret likes to do LOL. Cardinals will make a comeback

  58. By Felix Macias on Oct 7, 2010 | Reply

    Don’t understand why Bolden ,Dansby,Urban and Matt were let go .. Feel sorry for Fitz.. Hopefully Hall or Skellton will put Larry back where he needs to be ,and thats on top…………………

  59. By Rory Clark on Oct 9, 2010 | Reply

    Your comments about Moss are as completely off base as most of your comments about Anquan Boldin. Moss is awesome. He didn’t trade himself. Management traded him. When management doesn’t like a guy, for whatever reason, they have the power to move him. And then he has to go. Just like Cardinal management didn’t like Boldin, for whatever reason. And he had to go. Boldin’s perfromance is a testimony to the fact that management is not always right, as will Moss’s be when he breaks every Viking receiving record in the next two years.

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