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Now, Cards won’t see Moss Sunday

Posted by Darren Urban on November 1, 2010 – 12:58 pm

The Cardinals were in the middle of their locker room media session/lunch time when the news (first pointed out by kicker Jay Feely, at least to me) broke of the Vikings releasing wide receiver Randy Moss. It’d be stunning news anyway, but the Cardinals go to Minnesota Sunday.

“Bill Belichick strikes again,” safety Kerry Rhodes joked. “I think (the Patriots) sent him to Minnesota to scout and they will get him back. I think he is still (living) in the Boston area. Look for that story later.”

Then Rhodes got a little more serious. “I thought he was playing well in Minnesota. I’m not heartbroken though. We play Minnesota this week and that’s one less threat we have to worry about.”

Moss, despite being a vested veteran, must clear waivers so every team has a chance to claim in in the reverse order of standings — meaning Buffalo gets first crack, New England last. We’ll see if a team is will to risk going after Moss for $3+ million for the balance of the season, or if he reaches free agency. Would it really be a shock if the Patriots took him back, and that Belichick essentially ends up renting Moss to the Vikings for just a few weeks in exchange for a valuable third-round pick?

Another group of defensive backs wouldn’t believe it. “That’s for real?” cornerback A.J. Jefferson said of the news. “I thought that was a joke.”

Cornerback Greg Toler said he just wants to see the Cards’ defense “stay together, regardless of who they have on the field.” Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, on the other hand, sounded disappointed.

“I am always about competition,” DRC said. “He’s a guy that is a legend in the game and they would have taken their shots at him. Me testing my speed and going up against him, I would’ve really liked that.”

Then there was wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald, a friend of Moss who was a ballboy for the Vikings back when Moss and Cris Carter were in their Minnesota heyday. A few weeks ago, Fitzgerald was just talking about how Moss would be happy going back to Minnesota since he still has a house and loves the outdoors. Monday, Fitz was (briefly) talking about Moss leaving Minnesota once again.

“Nothing,” Fitzgerald said, “surprises me anymore.”


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99 Responses to “Now, Cards won’t see Moss Sunday”

  1. By Rod Lenniger on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Does he have any expereine at Quarterback?

  2. By Rod Lenniger on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    “Experience” that is…

  3. By Chad on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    NFL Network guys said MN would be on the hook for Moss’ salary this year. Is that incorrect?

  4. By sam on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I feel bad for the guy

  5. By cardsbigredfan on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Do you not think the Cardinals should get him. That would easily help out our QB’s. And take all the preasure off of fitz.

    Darren,

    Picture that depth. Fitz, Moss, Breaston.

    Moss could make up for Boldin.

  6. By Old Man Riva on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    The Rams are looking for a good target for Sam Bradford and we DO have to play them again.

  7. By Paul on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Dang it, just what we needed. Vikings falling off the rails. Know what that means. They will circle the wagons and come out jacked up. The Cardinals have their own issues. They need to come out angry too !

  8. By brad oneill on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    maybe we should pick him up. at least he can throw the ball.

  9. By Scott H on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Honestly, with the issues we have here…I don’t really care about Randy Moss and what’s going on with thim. To me, it doesn’t even matter that he won’t be there ( then again, who knows? ) on Sunday when the Cardinals play the Vikings. The Cardinals biggest concern right now is NOT what team they’re playing or what individual players that might involve. They have been beating themselves from within, period. Once they can stop doing that, I’ll worry more about the opponents. The focus for this team right now is their own locker room, so lets keep it where it belongs.

  10. By dylanbw on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Who is that (hopelessly) chasing Moss? Tommy Bennett?

  11. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Chad —

    RE: Moss salary

    They are on the hook only if he clears waivers. If a team claims him, they assume the contract. But if no one claimed him, Minny would have to pay him the balance and then Moss could work out whatever FA deal he wanted.

  12. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsbigred —

    RE: Moss to Az

    Um, let me think: Quarterback issues, Whiz runs tight ship, malcontent veteran receiver (and every fan seems to be telling me the Cards should run more, and now you want two superstar receivers?).

    Uh, no.

  13. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    dylan —

    RE: Moss picture

    That’s the great Duane Starks in 2004.

  14. By Cards4Ever on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    DRC– this past weekend would have been a good time to test your speed seeing as you were getting burned left and right!

  15. By MikeG on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, Tough game with the Bucs yesterday. We need this Vikes game this week. Turnovers from the QB position are killing us. It seems we were playing uphill most of the game. We need to be 4-4 at the midway point. Which play in the game did you think was the killer play for the Cards??? I’m going with DA’S pick at the end of the game!! Especially on first down, a bad decision. Also—were you surprised–Hightower one carry in the first half???

  16. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    MikeG —

    RE: Hightower

    Little surprised. But not shocked.

  17. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    The comment, “Fitzgerald was just talking about how Moss would be happy going back to Minnesota since he still has a house and loves the outdoors,” could have just as easily have read, “Moss was just talking about how Fitzgerald would be happy going back to Minnesota since he still has a house and loves the outdoors.”

    If you’re going to play for a team without a pro-caliber QB, why not at least play for one in your hometown if they will give you the money?

  18. By Secret on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Well, the cards are playing a team with the biggest news of the week again, last week the cards faced the bucs that said they were the best team in the nfc, now were facing a de-mossed viking team.

  19. By Voice of Reason on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    At least give credit to Childress for taking a risk. Yes, it didn’t work, and Moss is gone, but at least he gave it a shot.

    If we brought in a street FA quarterback (Garcia, Culpepper), I can guarantee one thing: it will get no worse. It can only stay the same or get better. And in either scenario, is it worth half the league minimum (and THAT assumes the player makes it through the year)?

    Many have said this is a bad idea, but nobody has ever been able to articulate how. We’re not giving up a draft pick. We’re giving up what is in NFL dollars a very small amount of money for the chance to steal the division from the awful teams we share it with.

    Clearly (and this is something we can all likely agree on, even Darren) — the Cards are easily the most talented team in our division (although the 49ers have in fairness closed that gap considerably). And frankly, the rest of the teams in our division are embarrassingly terrible (where else could you conceivably when a division with someone like Garcia at quarterback?!?!).

    So be proactive, like the Vikings were. Yes, they got bit for a draft pick. We wouldn’t. One of these guys would come far cheaper and without any meaningful compensation.

    No. Brainer.

  20. By Dre on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Cards4Ever–

    Re: DRC

    Why are you and a lot of others knocking DRC when it was Toler who gave up the 2 long TDs passes to the Bucs with K. Rhodes assisting on one. DRC is doing his job. He is among good company in the number of tackles….lets see Dockett, A dub Cambell, Porter are all close in # of Tackles, he only defends one side of the field so maybe y’all need to bark up another tree.

  21. By Dre on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    the only reason I care about R. Moss is because he is on one of my fantasy teams. I was looking forward to playing him this week againt us because the Cards give up a lot of yards and big plays and I wanted to get in on the action.

    I didn’t play him last week because I just didn’t think the Pats where going to let Moss make a fool of them for trading him away. it was a tough not to fall into the hype of the game but I made the right choice besides I got plenty of goods at the position and the challenge is to understand who going to give me the most pts. Here’s my dilmma each week to pick the best 3 out of 5… Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Pierre Garcon & Brandon Lloyd. This week I went with Brandon Lloyd, Pierre Garcon, Andre Johnson…so far so good. Pierre Garcon should have a great game since D Clark and collie are out for the season plus houston is last in the league in pass defense. Johnson is a superstar and what superstar don’t like to shine on the big stage.

  22. By Jesse Robles on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Interviewing DRC on gaurding moss? DRC can’t even gaurd non Hall of Famers let alone Moss. Show some consistency and then I’ll believe you are anything close to a decent corner. DRC gets burned all game except for his few jump routes when he get an INT. He’s a joke.

  23. By cardsfan28 on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    As long as moss stays out of the NFC west who cares…I cant handle anymore bad news from/for this team. We need a turnaround fast or the Rams are gonna sweep us. (Especially if they pickup moss) Definately not an easy time for a Cardinals fan…thanks Darren for all the effort! It must not be easy for you to bite your tongue with some of these fans!

  24. By MATT.R on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    i wish we could pick up moss

  25. By David C. on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Speaking a little off topic here, but there’s another disgruntled superstar veteran likely to enter free agency next year… Redskins QB Donovan McNabb. Could Whisenhunt’s miscalculation at quarterback end up being a blessing in disguise if we can snag McNabb this off season? Do you think the Cardinals would show interest this time around (since they didn’t last off season when he was available)?

  26. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    David C —

    RE: McNabb

    Always possible. Donovan certainly wants to play here. But I’m not positive he’s what they are looking for. Conditioning stuff from Shanahan today is not the first time I’ve heard such a thing about McNabb.

  27. By Darthcard on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    As far as Randy why? Why would they let him just go? As for DRC… He has not been as effective as in the past but it reminds me of a thing Y.A. tittle once told Buddy Ryan. He said you must pressure me. Because if you don’t I will find the open guy and beat the defnse. The cardinals have virtually no passrush. The great Josh Freeman lofted bombs td’s while ordering papa Johns pizza. That’s how little pressure was put on freeman. The pathetic rules basically killed the shutdown corners.

  28. By Voice of Reason on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren — with all due respect…

    That psychology — nitpicking small details in finding excuses to NOT sign somebody is exactly what foolish teams do. I would agree that a 23 year old McNabb wouldn’t fit this offense, but a 34 year old McNabb would be perfect. Can see the blitz and read defenses. Is accurate with the football. Can still make plays with his legs when necessary. And most importantly, WANTS TO BE HERE, which can only help us KEEP LARRY FITZGERALD HERE.

    If Hall, Anderson, or anyone else similarly uninspiring is here in 2011, Fitzgerald is surely gone. That simple.

    Plus, I have faith in John Lott. Something tells me he’d be in the best shape of his life if he came here.

    Plus — you think he’d sell a jersey or two? :-)

  29. By Voice of Reason on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    By the way — I can’t see Anderson, Hall or, for that matter, Warner, winning any cardiovascular conditioning drills either…

  30. By darrel on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Lol jamarcus russel was cleared of his charges Is he working out? Hey he has a big arm

  31. By Casey on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    RE: An Open Mind

    Darren,

    Why are we (you, me, other fans, the local media, the rest of the organization) so automatically quick to dismiss ideas that sound “crazy” at the onset, but might actually be worth serious consideration if analyzed further? To his credit, I think Whiz has opened the collective “mind” of the Cardinals orgainzation over the past few years, but no one is going to confuse this team with one that is proactive, aggressive and creative.

    We can look back at the quick dismissals of McNabb, Bulger, Vick, etc. as cases in point, but let’s look at one more relevant to today: Randy Moss.

    Why is submitting a waiver claim automatically such a “crazy” idea? Just a few points to consider here:

    1. Moss and Fitz are close and presumably, would love to play together in a situation that is mutually beneficial- i.e., teams can’t roll coverage to either side of the field without being burned on the other side.

    2. The close relationship between Moss and Fitz should mitigate concerns about a potential negative impact on the attitude of the team in the locker room; plus, isn’t that why this team signed guys like Joey Porter, Alan Faneca and Clark Haggans- to have a strong veteran presence in the locker so as to prevent a “bad apple” from unduly influencing younger players.

    3. If Moss were to re-commit himself to the game for another 3 years or so, he could be the key to keeping Fitz in AZ for several years to come.

    4. This team only has 1 true “outside” receiver in Fitz. Breaston is better suited for the slot as he plays well running through zones. Having Moss allows Breaston to move to his more natural position (and I know that he already plays out of the slot a lot of the time).

    5. As noted, teams will be reluctant to double/tripple either Fitz (see DA’s INT on Sunday) or Moss with the other on the opposite side of the field and Breaston in the slot.

    6. Teams will be reluctant to load the box against the run with Moss & Fitz on the outside.

    7. Acquiring Moss makes the QB decision easy- you have to go with DA and his ability to get the ball down the field- all of a sudden, this team has an identity.

    8. While Moss may be a malcontent many places, having the opportunity to play with a close friend in Fitz should appeal to him.

    9. If the arrangement works out, what QB (McNabb, Vick, other ’11 Free Agents) wouldn’t want to sign as a free agent or agree to a trade in the offseason?

    10. Minnesota was willing to give up a 3rd Round pick to see if he could add something; submitting a waiver claim doesn’t cost picks, and as far as the Bidwills’ 2010 budget goes, surely Warner’s retirement and Leinart’s departure have created space for another $3 million.

    11. It sends a message to players and the fans that this organization is committed to getting better by any legitimate means possible.

    Last note- I understand the criticisms of McNabb’s conditioning, but take a step back for a second… Are you really telling me that if you had the opportunity to bring McNabb to this team, you would not be in support of it. Darren, go back and look at the guy’s career and his production in a new offense in 2010 and then compare that to the other options available to this team, and you tell me that with a straight face. Just like most people criticized Warner for being washed up and done, a lot of people will find reasons to knock McNabb. But please, let’s remain sane here- he would be a huge upgrade to this team right now (whether or not Hall or Skelton are ready now or 2 years from now).

    Thanks,
    Casey

  32. By john on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Steelers return to win 2 superbowls after drafting Big Ben
    Cowboys go back to glory and 3 rings after drafting Aikman.
    Colts are a laughing stock till Manning is drafted.
    Rivers and Eli keep their teams in contention every year.
    Tampa is floundering until drafting Josh Freeman.
    Who has the Best QB in our division? The Rams after drafting Bradford.

    We got lucky and got Warner when no one else wanted him.But I watched for 15 years the cards grab washed up QBs who did not pan out.If we want to get back to winning consistantly, we must just wait out this storm and draft a qb next year.
    No Vicks or McNabbs or garcias will fix the problem. Think what type of team we would be with Bradford this year.Yes, he was the #1 pick, so we really didnt have a shot, but Next year, target your QB (I like Ryan Mallet) and trade up with what ever means necessary and get the QB we need.

  33. By Alex on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I like what Casey has to say. Doucet seemed like he was ready last year but seems to be plagued with injuries this year. Breaston has is own injury issues. If we got Moss we would have 2 go to guys if we lost and Doucet which seems like it will happen. About Mcnabb, sure he’s getting old but he’s doing well with the redskins. They don’t have amazing receivers in D.C. but if he came to AZ him Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, and maybe Moss would be great

  34. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    SPEND THE MOOLAH BIDWELLS!!!

    Didn’t you guys watch Jerry McGuire? “Show me the MONEY!!!” You need to spend some money to not only make some money, but to win games!!! Spend some money on a QB! Even the fans here are calling for it – crap, at this point, I think Darren is even calling for it, LOL!!!

  35. By Gary on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I think Casey had some interesting points. The organization did pass on many ‘key’ free agents, not just QB, this past off-season. Even though the Moss idea would be something very fun to see on the field, I doubt this organization has the ‘brains’ to recognize what a force like that guy could provide to this offense. We could support much more 3, 4, & 5 receiver sets – much like the team did with Kurt. Spreading the opposing defense would aide the running game – and would provide a great way to mix in some draw plays on 5-wide sets.

    Great thoughts, however, hopefully – maybe – somethings got to give here. Too many damn good players on this team to be in the position the team is in right now…

  36. By James on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren when are we going to get a Qb we will ose our whoel season if we dont

    -James

  37. By drc on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    HAHAHAHA drc said testing his speed… He needs to rethink that one – i think his shoes are one the wrong feet or did he get season tickets? He sure has been watching alot of completed passes up close and in person.

  38. By GO BIRDS!!!!! on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Yeah McNabb is doing great from the bench… Let’s bring him on board… Everyone is looking for a quick answer, well its not going to happen. No matter who you bring in. There’s problems all over the place but all you wanna be NFL analysts keep saying its a QB issue. Watch the game and educate yourself. 4 weeks ago everyone was crying to bring in Max thinking he was the answer, today, the same people are screaming for Skelton… We are 1 game back in the NFC WEST, we play well enough with DA to win games and thats the bottom line. We lost that game yesterday not by his INT, we lost it when the defence gave up a huge plays, we lost it when Toller got burned inside twice, 1 for a TD, we lost it when Hall threw two INT returned from touchdowns, we lost it when beanie was worried about his touches to pick up the blitz, we lost it on 4th n 2 when we rushed the snap to avoid delay of game when a time out should have been taken to regroup, we lost it with 2 minutes left by a poor decision both on and off the field and we lost like always when we abandon the run. But DA is the real issue right? His inconsistences that put us back in the game 2 weeks in a row. The only QB on our bench who moves the chains and puts us in the red zone. We’ll get there but it won’t be pretty I can tell you that right now. So yeah our QB is killing this team.

  39. By OLD CARDS FAN on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    CASEY you need to be in the fornt office you said everything i wanted to say.Mcnabb or any other veteran qb will give skelton more time to develop.

  40. By georgiebird on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Make no mistake about it- as bad as the offense is- the defense is worse. With guys like DD, DRC, AW leading the way-this is one dumb defensive football team.
    If I had a wish- it would be that someone with Larry Fitzgerald’s football intelligence could move in as captain of the defensive unit. He would constantly be one step ahead of the other team and act as the brains of the unit.
    How a defense can consistently be outsmarted on 3rd and long goes way beyond physical ability. There is physical talent on the defense but football smarts are totally missing -especially at crunch time when the other team is pushing the envelope.
    Bill Davis should be fired for his failure to see that intelligence is the real missing factor. Whiz knows this too- but he wants to be PC about it.
    The Viking game will be tougher without Moss because the defense will have no idea of what to expect from the Viking wide-outs by committee.

  41. By James Ferguson on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    It’s amazing that for three weeks or longer everyone was on the “we got to run Beanie 90% of the game bandwagon”, now some of the same people are wanting Moss so that D.A. becomes Warner reborn lol. It amazes me how people think signing a over-the-hill player or a player that isnt even good enough to play in the NFL anymore (like Garcia) will fix all our problems. I admit that I dont know what will fix the Cards this year but I know you don’t do repairs with broken parts. Mc Nabb is so out of shape he cant finish a game in Washington, what would he be like here with our lack of pass protection?

    John,
    Im from Arkansas and Mallett is way over-rated. He cant read coverages and has what I call “happy feet” meaning that the first time hes pressured he gets scared and starte to make bad passes and wont stay in the pocket long enough to make a play.

  42. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Gosh, nothing but bad memories about the Cards playing at the Metrodome.
    That preseason game about ten years ago when at least 5 Arizona players were injured, including Rob Moore and then a few years later when the carpet wasn’t supposedly up to NFL snuff and the game was in danger of being played.
    Maybe Karma or Carmen, for that matter, will turn their heads toward AZ this time.

  43. By TBru on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Any word on Favre’s health, between the chin and the the ankle he looked pretty battered

  44. By TBru on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    James,

    Who do you propose we get at this point of the season that would be considered an upgrade?

  45. By TBru on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    re Moss

    dumped by two teams this season, would perusing him really be any sort of commitment?

  46. By brad oneill on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    casey- your points are valid, but there is something very wrong with moss. I remember when he hit the cop with his car. the man takes very little responsibility for his actions everything is everyone else’s fault with him.

    if the vikings who desperately need him dropped him, i dont think its worth the baggage for us.

    We need a quarterback, and an offensive coordinator to call the plays.. if we get that, our team will be amazing. besides i would take Breaston over Moss any day he comes to play every game and even if they don’t throw him the ball he is in the games mentally.

  47. By APCards on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    What are chances of the Cardinals acquiring Jeff Garcia as a short-term “band aid” for this season?

    As for next year, is Marc Bulger a likely prospect?

    Thanks.

  48. By georgiebird on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I can’t believe how the guys on this site are cutting the defense any slack. If the Cards offense had scored 60 points against the Bucs, the defense would have given up 62. It’s all very much like the Super Bowl. If Fitz had been caught from behind by that fat ass Polamalu, the Cards would have scored on the last play of the game and left the Steelers with no time to make a comeback- that’s about the only way I feel safe with this defense.

  49. By James on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    Hi I heard a rumor today on espn radio that the cardinals contacted Houston regarding leinart can u elaborate

    -James

  50. By James on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    My former comment about getting a QB I was reffering to my disappointment that we did not attempt to get mcnabb in the offseason and an upgrade is Kevin kola a and trying Skelton

  51. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    APCards —

    RE: Garcia/Bulger

    Zero. And I’d say not likely.

  52. By Darren Urban on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    James —

    RE: Leinart

    The Cards are not going after Matt.

  53. By georgiebird on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    While I’m venting about the defense- what does Whiz have against5 Gabe?- I hope it’s not an ML thing. In the SB, I thought Gabe was the best defensive player next to DD. I find Gabe to be emotional and a guy who is great to root for.
    I hope there is a sound reason for not using him.

  54. By Casey on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Moss/Beanie/Running the Ball

    I’ve been a major supporter of focusing on the run, and more specifically, giving Beanie 20+ carries per game, and I still feel the same way. However, going back to the Saints game, it has become apparent that teams are able to stack the box against the Cardinals right now and either take away the run or deter the play calling away from the run. I hope this is starting to change with Breaston coming back healthy, but the bottom line, the more play makers you have on the field, the greater the compounding effect on each of the play maker’s opportunities.

    In other words, another threat on the outside (e.g., Moss) just opens things up for Beanie and the running game. Running the ball successfully and getting the ball deep down field to dynamic receivers are not mutually exclusive, but rather, are complimentary. You don’t have one without the other. So I am not contradicting myself. The second the Cardinals start to successfully complete long passes on a consistent basis, the running game will open up like we’ve all been waiting for, and that’s really when you get Beanie going. And yes, the debacle at QB has certainly been a major contributor to the challenge in getting the ball down the field, but I don’t think one can argue that having more weapons for a struggling QB (be it Anderson or Hall) is worse than having fewer.

    Isn’t it easier for Hall or DA to complete a pass to Fitz in single coverage than it is double or triple coverage? Isn’t it easier for either QB to hit Breaston wide open in the slot because the opposing defense is focused on multiple play makers on the outside (i.e., Fitz and Moss)? Isn’t it easier for Beanie to bust a long run when there are 7 guys in the box because if the Cards have two legitimate outside threats at the X and Y WR positions?

    Look, just like Darren and others were quick in the off-season to automatically dismiss the idea of making a play for Vick or McNabb, many people are just too hasty in concluding that Moss could never work in AZ. That’s just BS. He’s a great player who would immediately make either QB’s job easier and finally open up Fitz and Beanie to utilize their incredible talents. This organization needs to start thinking bigger and more broadly. Get out of the box. Get out of your own way. Stop under utilizing your talent because you aren’t willing to think more creatively in assembling a roster. Why should Moss and McNabb be written off as key pieces to a winning formula in AZ? Why scoff at the notion that Vick would be a huge upgrade? It’s amazing at how quickly we forget what the rest of the NFL thought of the Cardinals when they signed Kurt Warner. No one called that a good move and look how it worked out.

    We’ve got to stop making excuses for this team. Honestly, I don’t even think the Cardinals will have a shot at Moss given the team’s ranking in the waiver claim pecking order, but the point is, we shouldn’t be so quick to turn a blind eye or invent reasons that it wouldn’t work. A play maker with Moss’s talent makes everyone on this team better- DA/Hall, Fitz, Breaston, Beanie/HT. It’s not one or the other, this guy instead of that guy- it’s a team in which a better player makes his teammates even better. It’s also time to start thinking about the building blocks for next year and seasons thereafter. Multiple stars at WR (Fitz/Moss/Breaston) is not only good for this team’s current QB situation, it’s beneficial for next year’s QB situation as well. And if this wasn’t Moss we were talking about, it’d be another player who could help this team that too many people, including Darren, would automatically dismiss without really thinking it through, or without considering what could be with an open mind and some objective analysis.

    It’ll be interesting to see how Moss impacts another team this season- let’s just hope it’s not with one of the Cards’ NFC West foes.

  55. By Lone-Eagle on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Casey,
    After reading your blog, I whole-heartedly agree with you, as well as you make perfect sense. The only problem I see in the whole matter is that, the front office doesn’t pay attention to their fans or the blogs, and I have that in writing from Darren!! I believe Moss would be a good addition to this team. however I believe they have to wait until 4 pm tomorrow for the deadline to pass, and then see is the Bidwells want to take that chance. Unfortunately I am not seeing it, but boy would it be fun. The one thing I noticed with the Vikings was as soon as Moss came home, so to speak, for a few games anyway, Harvin became alot more open in a lot of situations!! I’m not sayin’ I ‘m just sayin’ !!!

  56. By James on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    Thanks I was wondering I’m kind if hoping we start Skelton eventually u know? I ment no disrespect in my former messages

  57. By Jesse Robles on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    How come every time someone gets released I read, ” Can the Cards get him?” Why would we need another WR? Why not get a QB that can get the ball to our receivers?

  58. By RodgersCromartie for PR! on Nov 1, 2010 | Reply

    I think its funny all these fans bashing on Rodgers-Cromartie, id like to see what they have to say if he were to be traded, they act like they dont appreciate his play, yet I bet every time he has that game winning pick 6 they are doing backflips. Look at what Bryant McFadded brought to the table last season, a couple tackles and he picked up a fumble (forced by rodgers-cromartie ) and yet I still saw comments on how DRC gets burned or gives up the big play. If DRC wasnt with this team it would have zero pass defense at all

  59. By Jacko on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren, Off topic, I have a couple of questions and i hope its not an inconvenience to answer them (and sorry if some have been asked before and ive missed the answer =P):

    Lots of fans are calling for Ken Whizenhunt to hire an Offensive Coordinator, or promote Miller to OC, and just stick to Head Coaching for himself. What do you think about this? And what do you think are the chances of something like that happening? I realise you may not be able to pass an opinion on the former.

    Is Skelton the definite project of the future, or could the Cards potentially trade up in the draft and try to get a QB like Ryan mallet in the first round?

    This week against Minnesota, do you think there will be more run plays after the 4 Interceptions last week, or do you reckon the “Williams Wall”, will cause more pass plays to be called? Also, is it likely Hightower will get carries in this match (and by that i mean say 5+)?

    Thanks a lot mate.

  60. By omesh on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    wiz is a joke

  61. By omesh on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    stop putting da in after max hall has lost the game start da from the start and maybe we will win a dam game ps max hall stinks

  62. By Daniel on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Darren –

    Do you think that Cardinals may try to use john skelton or getting a whole new QB..

    Randy moss is a very dangerous person when he have the right QB. do you think the cards would sign him or trying to get some more accured QB?

  63. By Havasu Tom on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren,
    Lets stick with Hall. Ever time anderson throws the ball I cover my eyes.. He started throwing touch passes when he first came in, but went back to throwing rockets by his 3rd set of downs and inc’s started coming. If we start Anderson, he needs to be reminded every play to put some touch on the ball.
    Hail to the D. Another good performance. I critical Billy Davis, but he;s got thing settled down and looking good.

    Get Hall out of the pocket.

  64. By cardsalltheway on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    In response to “Casey and his number 4.” Does Steve Breaston really run through zones? If so, why? As everyone knows doing so is highly frowned upon these days.
    Running through zones is why the helmet to helmet bigger fine and possible suspension is now in effect. WR’s who “run through zones” are known to be young, irrational, or shall I say not the brightest of the bunch, just like QB’s running into the middle(like Hall) instead of towards the flag.

  65. By itsjustmeagain on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    a little off subject but i know Skelton raw talent, never played in NFL style offense, not 1A college.
    can he be any worse than what we got out there. what does it hurt to see what he has on the field. i know sunday was a close winable game, but moving forward. see what we got right, wrong,

    oh yeah i don’t get payed to make those calls, like going for instead of tkaing the points, with an offense that has not scored.

  66. By cardsalltheway on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    I think what Childress sounds like he has done is much like the Cards coach if you take out the money factor. I think Ken W. should thank Brad Childress as it equates to one of the dumbest moves financially speaking of the season and for diverting attention away from irrational decisions made by the Cards coach. Let me clarify…the move by the Cards coach earlier this season and/or any one of his decisions since then is as irrational and possibly more irrational than that of Brad Childress(minus the money factor and if it’s all true). It’s amazing, after getting beat by the youngest coach in the NFL(Tampa Bay Coach), Ken W. now has to face a coach who seems to be like himself in at least one way. I had previously stated that Ken W. ought to be a bit like the Vikings coach, instead Brad Childress shows signs of being much like the Cards coach. Is the Cards coach and the Vikings coach long lost pals?

  67. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Not sure if anyone had an opportunity to view this, but here’s some “goodies” on Big John Skelton:

    Interesting column:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/386851-arizona-cardinalswhy-john-skelton-will-be-your-qb-in-the-near-future

    ESPN Sport Science:

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133

    Not trying to be biased, but I think we may have something good with Big John Skelton in the near future…

  68. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    …oh, forgot the combine link:

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816cd94a/2010-Combine-workout-John-Skelton%20John%20Skelton%20Combine%20Work%20out

  69. By Peter in Canada on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    James – In early September Leinart was deemed not good enough to be able to help the team. Since then he has I believe, not played a single down. Therefore how can he look any better than he did in September? I would say that if there is a grain of truth to the rumour, then we are hopelessly spinning our tires and heads in the front office should roll.

  70. By cardsalltheway on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    The following is just one way of describing or putting a positive spin on the Cards season thus far..”The Good, the Bad, and the Weird.”
    I’m happy for Hall that he got a TD ball, but I’m hoping for the Cards sake it’s the last. If he were to get another, I simply see it as a waste of J. Sketon’s time and that of those fans who care more about a local leading the team.

  71. By John on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I know that you beat this horse to death during the offseason, but now with the way that things are playing out here, and the way that things seem to be going down in Washington, do you think that the Cards would make an offer for McNabb? Maybe just a one year thing to get us through this season? Or do you think that we will just try to ride out the rest of this season with what we have and see what the offseason (barring there is not a lockout) brings? Is there any OB’s that you could see the Cards going after? I still hope for the best for our QB’s but I wonder what the feeling is like in the locker room and in the front offices.
    Thanks
    John

  72. By Nick on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Im offically starting the bring McNabb or Vick campain to the desert in 2011!!!!!!!!! lets get it done !!!!

    Go Cards !!!!!!!!!

  73. By Wampag on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    hey D

    any chance we look at Shawne Merriman

  74. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Jacko —

    RE: Questions

    1) I’m not sure the playcalling is poor. You can argue a call here and there, but that’s not a reason to make a change, IMO. People assume a new OC means a change in philosophy, because basically, that’s what people want, a change in philosophy. But that starts with the head coach. If you want a new philosophy, you need a new head coach, and that’s ludicrous. (I mean, I think people want a change in philosophy — run, run, run! — and then Moss becomes available and suddenly some want to sign him when I GUARANTEE that means passing more because you’ll have to keep both Moss AND Fitz happy).

    2) Skelton is a project for the future. That wouldn’t necessarily preclude them from taking a QB early in the draft, though.

    3) I do expect Hightower to get more carries. I don’t know what the playcalling will be like. I expect, assuming it’s close and the run game somewhat effective, to be close to 50/50. But there are a lot of variables involved.

  75. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Wampag —

    RE: Merriman

    He has to be released first.

  76. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    John —

    RE: McNabb (again)

    The trade deadline is passed. There are no QBs out there I see the Cards trying to get at this point.

  77. By MikeG on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren – Nice article on Keeping the faith. I have a feeling Anderson is going to start Sunday’s game– being on the road. I truly believe he gives us the best chance to win this game. I also think we should use our 3 running backs more in the first half of these games. Given that QB is not a strength right now I would like to see a shift in philosophy and have more run plays called early in these games. Do you think we are putting too much pressure on Max Hall to make these tough throws– especially early in these games??? They say a QB’S best friend is the run game–I think we need to use it more?? Play more close to the vest, maybe a more conservative approach??

  78. By cardsalltheway on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    “2) Skelton is a project for the future. That wouldn’t necessarily preclude them from taking a QB early in the draft, though.”
    You mean a QB like Matt Leinart who was the “Cards Guy/QB” and for two years studied under Kurt Warner(future Hall of Fame QB) and was the only piece of Kurt Warner that remained on the Cardinal roster until being cut without reasonable cause — unless you count two preason games and/or 12-15 plays during those games with an offensive line that really wasn’t very good?
    For obvious reasons, I don’t see any QB as a “project for the future” with Ken W. It’s either now or never with Whiz that’s why I’m advocating for Skelton NOW!!! Let’s just say I was young enough and had all the talent in the world(someone like John Skelton) then sat and listened to Ken W. tell me exactly what you’ve suggested — a QB for the future. Ken W. has already blown through 3 QB’s and doesn’t know his left from his right. After hearing such tripe based on Ken W’s past actions, I’d probably die laughing on the spot knowing I’d most likely never get that future chance, hopefully I would’ve hired a smart enough agent that would’ve kept me far away from people like Ken W.
    Below is a link which shows a correlation between Ken W. and Brad Childress…

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81bcbb19/Making-sense-of-Moss-situation

  79. By brad oneill on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    about the OC- i dont think they need a new philosophy so much as someone that can be devoted completely to play calling.

    I see a tendency in whiz that i see in people playing poker. He wants to win so bad that he tends to push bad hands at the wrong time hoping good things will happen. I think overall his philosophy is good but its the emotionally tough decisions that he is erring on the side of aggression with.

    I like gutsy calls and gutsy plays but his win percentage on them is low right now. he needs to dial it back and tighten up his game. i think an OC whose sole job was to make the right call would serve as a balance to whizes aggression.

    ps that John Skelton video from sports science was really cool. I think peyton mannings competition was slightly higher playing for Tennessee as one of the top teams in the country than Fordhams schedule.

  80. By Tucsonaaron on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    You know Darren the more I think about it Moss would be a great addition to this team. We are seeing the side effects of not having Boldin around anymore. Yea the QB position isn’t the best but when teams are tripling Fitz you need that legit #2. Don’t get me wrong Breaston is great but he not taking those double and triple teams from Fitz. Moss would relieve some of those and open the field up for the QBs. I know his personality is in question but I think he’s a risk worth taking. Your thoughts?

  81. By Casey on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Moss

    Jeff Fisher of the Titans was quoted today as saying (this is not verbatim, but close): “I think there will be 30 head coaches in the NFL talking with their front offices about bringing in Randy Moss. Every player has stopped by my office to tell me: ‘go get Randy Moss.'”

    Here is ESPN’s assessment of a potential fit with AZ:

    “Larry Fitzgerald grew up around Moss in Minnesota and knows him well. Moss’ addition would allow Steve Breaston to work from the slot, giving the Cardinals quite an arsenal.”

    Seattle and St. Louis are rumored to be interested. If this is such a crazy idea (submitting a waiver claim for Moss or pre-arranging a trade with Buffalo to claim him on the Cards’ behalf), we all better be ready to watch Moss line-up with another NFC West team- ask yourselves that- do you want to see Moss with one of the teams we are behind in the NFC West?

    The Redskins are working out and meeting with JaMarcus Russell today- are they crazy? Or are they thinking outside the box, being proactive, and at least kicking the tires while the guy is still available? Sure, nothing may come of it, but at least they are willing to explore the opportunity if the McNabb relationship has become too frayed to continue beyond this year. Were the Eagles crazy for signing Michael Vick after he was released from jail? How does that move look now?

    The point is, some teams and organizations are always trying to get better- turning over every rock and challenging the status quo at every opportunity. The Cardinals have done it at times- I would argue that they did just that in signing Kurt Warner after he was apparently “done.” They tried that with Stevie Baggs this year. They drafted Schofield in the 4th Round this year after he tore his knee apart. They gambled a bit on Greg Toler. I’m sure there are more examples. So why would we expect any different with Moss, or with McNabb and/or Vick when they are free agents in 2011? Yet so many people on this board, including Darren, immediately dimiss such suggestions as “not happening, why would they do that, ridiculous.” Really?

    We shouldn’t so quickly dismiss these suggestions just because the players in question aren’t perfect human beings. Perfect human beings don’t necessarily win championships. If a guy has the talent to make your team better, you find ways to mitigate the impact of the character flaws. You work with him. You help him. That’s what a leader/manager/CEO does. Childress gave up on Moss and will probably lose his job as a result. His unwillingness to try to reach common ground with the player (by all accounts from people close to the organization) will ultimately benefit another team and I’m seriously hoping that if it isn’t the Cardinals that receive the benefit, it won’t be one of their remaining opponents in 2010. Look at Kerry Rhodes’ reaction to Moss’s release- a sense of relief- one less weapon he and the defense have to deal with this Sunday (as if Favre, Harvin, Shianncoe, and Adrian Peterson aren’t enough). With all due respect to DRC, he needs to worry about shutting down much lesser WRs before he starts talking about how much he’s looking forward to going one-on-one with one of the best.

    I personally think Whiz is miles ahead of Childress in his people skills and personnel management. I do think Whiz has the interpersonal strength to deal positively with Moss. I’m not claiming to know Moss beyond what we all see on TV, but if Fitz is comfortable with him, then I would trust Fitz’s recommendation. He is the first person I would start with. If Fitz doesn’t think it would be a good fit, then I hold off on Moss while continuing to look at other ways to improve this team- both with existing talent and with other players who may be available now and after the season.

  82. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Tucsonaaron —

    RE: Moss

    My thoughts are, do you really think Moss would be cool being a No. 2?

  83. By brad oneill on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    do you reallly think moss would be a good fit with a rooking quarterback or with a veteran quarterback that is having accuracy issues? i think moss would move us in the wrong direction. Fitz is frustrated but supportive. Breaston is nothing but supportive, I don’t know where doucet is but he seems like a team player. moss would be demanding the ball, and rolling his eyes a lot.

    No thanks. I would rather face him with seattle than have him ruining our locker room.

  84. By RED BIRD 66 on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I feel that if Moss is available when it’s the Cards turn on waivers they would be foolish not to get him as either the Seahawks, Rams or 49er’s will. I think Whiz is way ahead of Chilress (except maybe going for it on 4th when we should kick the FG) and Moss will not act up. The guy want to play and win and I don’t think the Vikes were even trying to use him as they are just waiting for Rice to come back. Its going to be hard enough winning the division with our pathetic QB situation and Moss could only help open things up and keep the blitzes away as it would be very risky leaving Moss, Fitz and Breaston in single coverage, not to mention how it could possibly open up the running game.
    Whiz doesnt play favorites like Childress( the whole puckering up to Farve thing) and there is a relantionship between Fitz and Moss. What is Fitzs incentive to stay if they don’t try to improve this team. Its not like Fitz is going to get less throws as he pretty much doesn’t get the ball his way now as he is double or triple covered (Andersons brillant int) most of the time anyway. Things were just fine when we had Fitz and Boldin and ultimately Fitz just wants to win. I am sure there is more to the whole vikings story with Moss from both ends but I think it is Childress not Moss and Whiz is a better coach and person than Childress. You didn’t see Whiz kissing up to Warner to try and get him back. He knew it was over with Kurt and tried to move on.

  85. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    I say bring in an Offensive Coordinator, Donovan McNabb, Randy Moss, Mike Gandy, Shawn Andrews, and either Justin Hartwig or Jake Grove. This way, Levi goes back to his natural position and we shore up the weak Guard (Lutui) and Center (Sendlein) positions (Our Offensive Line Ranks 29th in the NFL)… We can use more 5-wide sets and run options using McNabb and 3-back sets. Plus, Big John will maybe learn some POSITIVE things from McNabb. The QBs around him right now are saturating his brain with negative decision-making and negative plays every game. Somethings got to give!!! C’MON WHIZ!!!

  86. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    …by the way, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Washington cut McNabb in the coming days…

  87. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    People, ultimately, if something is not done to improve the QB play/position (the coaches beating or whipping Hall or Anderson and stop babying them, upgrade/Free Agent, Skelton, etc.) the Cards will be PICKING first overall in the draft! If the team cannot get the ball to the receivers, the run game fails to open and this team will continue to lose games. Without the pass, there is no run…without the run, there is no pass – for this team…

    The defense has kept us in all but two games thus far. So, that’s 5-for-7. However, the offense cannot score nor manage the clock, hence a 3-and-4 record. However, it’s time to take some training wheels off some defensive players and let them have at it. Bill Davis needs to scheme a little better to lock this defense down (honestly, we could use an upgrade at DC). We are allowing opposing offenses to run up too many yards and too many points. That’s either caused by a lack of skilled players – which we have the right skilled players in-place; or the opposing OC is out-scheming our DC. I think it’s the latter. Bill needs to take the ‘bull by the horns’ dammit. Do something! STOP allowing opposing offenses to run all over us! Crap! When the Bucs were busting off slants against us, I don’t know why Bill didn’t have a LB show blitz, then drop into coverage in front of the slant route with CB help over the top…hmmmm….

  88. By Casey on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    RE: Moss as a #2

    Darren,

    I will answer your question. Only an opinion of course (I don’t know Moss), but yes, I think Moss would welcome being a #2 to Larry Fitzgerald given the coverage Fitz demands from the opposing DBs. More than anything, I think WRs in this league get frustrated when they can’t get open because opposing defenses constantly roll coverage to their side of the field. Yes, there are things offenses can do to move guys like Fitz and Moss around (as you’ve seen Whiz do), but at some point, it’s just a numbers game.

    Fitz allows Moss to get open and Moss allows Fitz to get open. And Breaston and Beanie benefit from both. I’m not sure why this concept is so difficult to understand. The opposing defense isn’t allowed to bring a 12th and 13th team member onto the field just because the offense has too many weapons to cover with 11. Isn’t that the point of any offense- to create mismatches with the opposing defense (e.g., Moss or Fitz in one-on-one coverage).

    Whiz has stated over and over that the Cards try to move Fitz around to get him in one-on-one coverage because they like his chances in that scenario. Guess what? With Moss, Breaston and Beanie on the field at the same time, Fitz sees more one-on-one coverage, Moss sees more one-on-one coverage, and Beanie sees 7 guys in the box instead of 8 or 9.

    And for all of their weaknesses, Anderson and Hall would have an easier time completing passes to great WRs like Moss and Fitz in one-on-one coverage instead of trying to squeeze a ball into triple coverage like Anderson did on his final INT. The more effective running game that would result from having Moss and Fitz on the field at the same time also takes pressure off of Anderson/Hall and opens up the play action game in a way we’ve never seen it with the Cards.

    I really don’t understand why some people aren’t seeing this. Apparently an anonymous GM definitely sees it given his comment that a “boatload” of teams will be submitting wire claims for Moss. The Cardinals would simply be foolish not to do the same.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/02/boatload-of-teams-expected-to-claim-moss-on-waivers-including-patriots/

    People, having Fitz/Moss/Breaston on the field at the same time makes your QB better (I don’t care who it is) and makes your RB more effective (doesn’t matter if it’s Beanie/HT/Hyphen/Wright). The game of football is about match-ups and the more mis-matches you create on the field, the better your chances of winning.

  89. By Darren Urban on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Casey —

    RE: Moss

    1) I’d be shocked if it was OK if Moss was a No. 2. He and Fitz are friendly, yes. You are WAY off base if you think that’d make it OK for Moss to possibly be a Fitz decoy. Especially when Moss is in search of one more giant contract.

    2) Indeed Anderson had triple coverage or whatever on Fitz. But he had Doucet open on that play. The throw to Doucet would have been “easier.” You still have to throw it to the right receiver.

    Look, if Moss were like Fitz in the locker room, I could see your point. But you’re sitting back playing fantasy football with no regard for the human element. You do realize TWO teams have dumped Moss this year and we’re not even halfway through the season, right? I am incredulous this doesn’t raise red flags. OK, so some teams are willing to take that risk. Fine. if Fitz wasn’t here, that would make more sense. But receivers are not the problem. You honestly think defenses are clogging the box against the Cards because they lack receivers? Of course not. They are jamming the box because they want to dare the QB — either Anderson or Hall — to throw. Moss doesn’t change that.

  90. By Gary on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    I see Darren’s logic here; it’s quite possible Moss is such a distraction it poses grave danger to the team’s chemistry and production. Plus, with youth spread across teams, league-wide, having a presence like this in the locker-room is probably not the best influence for those young guys.

    I think most of us agree it would be cool to see a Fitz/Moss/Breaston trio, but the fact remains this guy has been cut by two very good teams – at least on paper! The Vikings are opposite that of the Patriots this year in terms of win/loss record.

    I think the majority of us are just pissed because our team cannot find a way to win – and rightfully so! We demand better performance from our team, we’ve been spoiled over the past two years with winning, and having that winning attitude makes us want this team to compete better. Most of us Cardinal fans have spend more time in the cellar, along with this team, than on the upside of things. So, it only makes sense why we are all venting out – and poor Darren has to be the one to absorb it from us fans, LOL!

    At least we, us as Cardinals fans, have been forced to learn ‘to hope for the best, but expect the worst’ throughout our individual experiences as Cardinal fans. I think if we can go back to those fundamentals, we will not be let down week-in and week-out.

  91. By TW VIKE on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Brad Childress waives entire cheer-leading squad on Monday, following loss at home to Arizona. He states in his presser they were a distraction. Why? They had their B00bies hanging out!!!!

  92. By Scott H on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Geez, I swear, I can’t take the Mcnabb talk anymore. All I can say is I hope it never happens. But since we’re thinking about the future and QB’s other than the ones that are here right now, Here are the two names i would suggest – Michael Vick and Sage Rosenfels. Rosenfels was having an UNBELIEVABLE pre-season for the Vikings before they made the mistake of letting Favre come back. I’ll tell ya what, he looked like he could be a pretty darn good QB for someone. But I put Vick first because he has truly proven that he can be a great QB and he is going to be a great QB for someone other than the Eagles come next year…why not the Cardinals??? AND I think he would be a QB that would have Fitz REAL excited about staying here, and that matters to me a lot right now.

  93. By Eazy E on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    First Haynesworth and now McNabb shanahan is slowly losing the locker room McNabb is always in great shape and among the hardest working qbs/players in the entire league, that cardiovascular endurance is a bunch of nasty bologna Moss would be another #1 anywhere he goes and it would be nothing different if he came here you can’t say or consider RANDY MOSS A #2 are you serious?

  94. By TucsonTim on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Casey _I love your comments but you’re thinking like a sports fan who believes their team cares about winning. Going into the SB I got caught up in it too, but I think I’ve finally I’ve figured out the Cards. Yesterday I read a comment by Ken Somers and it hit me like a lightning bolt right between the eyes: to paraphrase it went like this: I remember years when the Cardinals were completely out of it by mid-season. We are only a game under .500 and a game out of 1st place in the division. So, we’re doing pretty well by those old standards.
    Last year I kept going after Darren about the Cards not having an offensive co-coordinator, and his response was the Cardinals were “pretty effective” with Whiz calling the plays and being the OC. (the stats were mediocre at best)
    Last Sunday the Cardinals had their 48th consecutive sellout. If we were 7-0 could we have sold any more seats? Would the TV revenue be any higher? Every dollar paid to Boldin, Dansby, (and please don’t tell me we offered them the same $, cause then you don’t know NFL contracts) Rolle, Antonio Smith, Leinart, Bulger, McNabb, and even Anderson (bonus $…think about it, what is Max being paid) comes directly out of the Bidwill’s pocket.
    The Bidwills are the biggest losers in the history of football. They don’t care about winning. This Cardinals team is so much better than their average team of the last 20+ years, they’re on cloud 9 (well, except for the $ they have lost in Maingate Sq). They’re still flying around in a Citation X. They’re still going to make millions if the Cards finish dead last. They are NOT going to take any chances going into a possible lock out season.

  95. By steve on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    So after this move –maybee Arizona sending a 2nd round pick to Houston for Matt Leinart wont look ‘TOO’ stupid

  96. By I'm impressed! on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    An incomplete pass to Ben Patrick, and a complete pass to Stephen Spach..,nevertheless(did I spell it right?) a “Step In The Right Direction” correct me if I’m wrong (Darren Urban) but you perhaps relayed my insight to Ken Whisenhunt in regard to TE 2010 Trend! Now, about Moss “A rolling-stone gathers no moss” and Moss is curious to know if the “Grass is Greener” else-where!

  97. By "Throw-Back" on Nov 2, 2010 | Reply

    Darren Urban-considering QB is an open-audition:My second Favorite Cardinal QB is Josh McCown! Decent Arm/Accuracy and could scramble about as well as Steve Young! Where might he be on the “Totem Pole”!

  98. By Darren Urban on Nov 3, 2010 | Reply

    Throw-Back —

    RE: McCown

    Josh is a great guy. And will never play for the Cardinals again.

  99. By Voice of Reason on Nov 3, 2010 | Reply

    Second round pick for Leinart. Are you kidding me???

    First, trade deadline has passed. So no trade even if it made sense.

    Second, it doesn’t make sense. We’d be no better with Leinart than we are sitting here now.

    Now had they been patient and waited for Bulger….

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