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Anderson still the QB, and “the same things”

Posted by Darren Urban on November 30, 2010 – 11:53 am

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said it plainly today: Derek Anderson will remain the starting quarterback. Whisenhunt said it was because Anderson gives the Cardinals the best chance to win. I know it wasn’t/isn’t what fans are looking for right now. On the subject of quarterback, Whisenhunt also made it clear that John Skelton was unlikely to play this season barring injuries that would force him to.

“You run the risk of damaging a young guy,” Whisenhunt said.

I know that’s not what a lot of people want to hear either.

Whisenhunt was also asked pointedly about how the fans are hoping to hear him say something other than that the team will just continue to work and doing what they have been doing.

“Sometimes those things are misinterpreted when you say you are going to continue to do what you’ve been doing,” Whisenhunt said. “What I mean by that is we are going to prepare like we are going to prepare and we are going to continue to have our expectations for players because that’s what I know works. As far as making changes as far as with players or with schemes, absolutely we will look at that and continue to try and put our guys in the best positions to win.

“When I talk about doing the same things we have been doing, I am talking organizationally, as far as how we prepare, how we practice. To me, it doesn’t make sense to change the time you practice or the routine, because that is not the problem. The problem is we are not performing up to expectations on game day. When that is the case, then you do have to look at changes, personnel changes, scheme changes, and those are all things we look at on a weekly basis. Hopefully we will improve.”

Whisenhunt then went on to say he understands the fans’ frustrations.

“Hey, listen — nobody likes this,” Whisenhunt said. “If people think we are content, that’s wrong. It hurts. It hurts to lose games like that, it hurts to hear our fans boo, especially with everything we have done to make some progress (the last few years). … You feel like you have worked hard to get your fans’ trust. Nothing is going to be easy in this league. We are working to try and get back to where we feel we represent our city and our fans well.

“I’m not going to sit here and ask for patience because people pay money to come watch us play and their expectations are for us to be better than what we have done. I am just telling you, there is everyone here in this organization, from top to bottom, to make sure that happens. I believe we are going to get it right.”


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220 Responses to “Anderson still the QB, and “the same things””

  1. By carlo7000 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    darren
    at this point we dont have any chances to change the curse of this season..is not time making some changes..o’schofield , washington aj jefferson m.green ,on the defense( i dont think they can play worst then lenon hayes porter exc exc…)and see more of williams the wideout from toledo..what purpose has the coach tu put useless old players.grazie

  2. By Tony on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren we are 11 games into our season which is over,we have no long term answer at QB,Anderson will never be and I don’t believe Hall will ever be a quality starter in the league so why not look at Skelton just to see what we may have in him before considering a QB in the first round of the draft,we have lots of needs besides QB..A decent CB would be a big help

  3. By Dan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Call me a masochist but I’m with the Coach! Upward and onward. It’s just a bad year. Would love to see Wade Phillips as DC in 2011.

  4. By Nick on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I don’t even think Anderson gives us the best chance to win. I think even Skelton could move the offense better than Anderson did last night. The season is done, give Skelton a shot to see what he can do and get him some experience. I really don’t understand why Whiz isn’t making this change. Anderson is a dead end.

  5. By BBShots on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I can’t believe we are sticking with DA pathetic decision! I will always be a Cardinals fan but now I have given up on the coach. I am sooo dissapointed.

  6. By Tyrelle on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Empty stadium Sunday

  7. By vinny rosato on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Not playing skelton can damage him to.

  8. By Richard on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Realistically, you now have to write off our chances of reaching the playoffs & give some serious thought for the future. I’m not going to comment on a lot of the dicussions which have been going around for weeks but we need to make sure that we get some wins. Maybe Anderson’s outburst at the press conference will spur him on, but I’m sure all eal fans don’t need telling it hurts the players to be in this position. Don’t forget, if you’ve followed the Cardinals for a long time, we’ve been there before! (Goes off to cry in his Neil Lomax shirt!)

  9. By Pat on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Perfect, this approach ensures low attendance as we all know that the same lineup will provide the same results. What is he protecting Skelton from? Sounds ridiculous that you have a guy taking up a roster spot but is incapable of playing without getting scarred for life. Wasn’t it just 3 mths ago that these talent evaluators were afraid to put Leinart, Anderson, Hall or Skelton on waivers for fear they would lose one of them? Nice jog of evaluating boys, go join Dave McGinnis and Dennis Green as ex Card coaches who never get called again. Whiz is lost, so is Graves. They never thought Kurt would leave the last yr of his contract behind. They got caught, the whores that they are.
    Darren, why do none of you reporters even interview Skelton to see what he thinks of his progress or ability to play this season? Maybe he will give the same canned answers as Whiz, Graves and you, but at least ask. Free country you know, even in the “your papers pls ” State oz Az.

  10. By AZCARDSFAN on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks for not asking for patience. We don’t have any with you or the organization any more. Worst Cardinal team ever to step on the field. No chemistry, no teamwork, and no one on the team with the exception of Larry, actually care. They continue to take a paycheck for NOT doing their job. If I did that, I would be out of a job in a heart beat. They are paid to win, not lose. The defense is a wreck. The coordinator has no clue what he is doing. Fire him and call the plays yourself. The defense looked lost on every play. Dockett is a bust too. So is the entire secondary. NONE of them are good enough to play in the NFL. Not even Wilson. Big pay check seems to mean big disappointment with the Cardinal players.

  11. By Cardfan4life on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I would like to see them put the pads on all week and find out who really wants to play. It is not like we have to worry about somone getting hurt for the playoffs.

  12. By Leah on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I can only guess how it feels when your fans boo you.. Not only is it immature but its not a great moral booster. Most of us fans knew it was going to be a ruff year without kurt and the whole qb issue. And the way anderson conducted himself on tv last night…. But my support for my team is through good times as well as the ruff ones and others who say they are die hard fans should cheer their team on boost the guys moral and dont boo them… theres always next season and ill be there supporting my team colors! Chins up boys!

  13. By az1965 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Re: “Hey, listen — nobody likes this,” Whisenhunt said. “If people think we are content, that’s wrong. It hurts. It hurts to lose games like that…”

    Umm, not the players… they seem pretty content and happy about the whole situation.

  14. By jocards on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Well one thing you can say about DA is that he stared down that reporter, never took his eyes off of him… just like he does his intended receiver every route. The man is focused.

  15. By darrel on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Another sob story by whiz we heard it all befor

  16. By Ben on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I just put my tickets up on Craigslist. I refuse to watch another game with DOA as the QB. Get rid of him and I am back. I will drink beer at the house before giving another dime towards this display.
    I love this team, and will never give up on them, but I refuse to watch Derek Anderson laugh while he SUCKS it up. I pley slow pitch softball in the C league, we suck, but when we are losing by 10 all of us are pissed and want to win. We play for free, must be different to suck and make millions while doing it.

  17. By mark on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Letting Derek Anderson play anonther entire game is ridiculous. I would start Max Hall and let D.A finish up. We have seen ok results when that has happened.

    Coach Wisenhunt greatly mis-judged D.A.’s talent. Do something different!!!

    I guaruntee a Rams black out this Sunday. just sayin.

  18. By Danny on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – What do we have to lose seeing what Skelton can do? It isn’t like Anderson knows our play book any better than anybody else.

  19. By Keith on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Glad to see reporters are starting to ask whiz some tougher questions. But on skelton, what do we have to lose by playing him? anderson is not our QB of the future and max Hall has the spirit, but not the ability. I understand that whiz does not want to traumatize the guy but at this point we are playing garbage games now with no purpose, why not take the time to develop a possible QB of the future with some hands on experience? The only way I could see this not going well is if he does not believe we have the supporting cast to help a rookie QB. So is this more of a lack of faith in skelton or the team?

    If whiz does not believe we have the supporting cast or schemes to assist a rookie QB, then he needs to approach this offseason as if he were a new coach coming into the system and make a complete change in his coaching staff to get guys in here that can help us win, and get players that he can build around, and he needs to learn how to adapt to a rookie and less talented quarterback than kurt, because he is not coming back.

  20. By Disgruntledfan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Well at least now I know what to expect for the rest of the season, time to go back to hiding in my dark corner for the next few weeks.

  21. By John on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    So lets see, our coach, Mr.Predictable, is going to wait and play the two rookie quarterbacks in the 2nd half of the last game of the season, after DA, our best hope of winning, loses all the remaining games of the season. Then the draft will have limited choices, and Whiz will wait again to make QB decisions based on pre-season games against 2nd and 3rd string opponents.

  22. By Stuart on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Wow Whiz!!!!

    Dude I love you as a head coach cause of what you have done for this team that I love so much. Really though man, suck up your pride admit your mistake in your decision with Derrick Anderson over Matt Lienart, BENCH DA HE DOESN’T GIVE THE TEAM THE BEST CHANE TO WIN IF HE DID WE WOULD BE WINNING!!!!!!!!! I know Skelton and Hall aren’t the best chances either but at least they have an excuse thier rookies. Put in Hall Tap the potential develope that skill he has. It’s not that hard dude.

  23. By Gary on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Damaging a young guy my ass! Watching Derek Anderson play more damaging than allowing John the opportunity to play! WTF? This is plain-out BS! I’ve lost faith, complete f-ing faith! I am sad to say this, but as a fan of this organization since I was 8 years old, this is by far the MOST disappointing season ever! I’m pretty pissed now. Smoke and f-ing mirrors!!! Smoke and f-ing mirrors, week in and week out!

    Best chances to win my ass! Screw this crap! I’ve been fond of the Falcons for just as long as I’ve been a devoted fan to this organization. And, you know what, screw this crap! I am now officially rooting for my 2nd favorite team, now my first favorite team! The Atlanta Falcons! Denny Green drove me away from watching football for a few years, several years ago. Now, Ken Whisenhunt is going to do the same. But, you know what, I’m not going to let some jacked-up jerk ruin my love for football. At least Arthur Blank, Falcons owner, and Mike Smith, Falcons HC, have a winning mentality. I am so f-ing sick and tired of watching this Cardinals franchise live in the cellar of divisions for the near one-quarter of a century that I’ve been a Red Bird fan. Screw this, I’m freaking done! Thankfully, I’ve been an Atlanta Braves (baseball) fan for just as long and the Falcons – even though they had some turbulent times – grew on me as well. I think they did because I could relate between them and the Cardinals when I was a ‘young-and-dumb’ fan. Now, I’m older, wiser, and tired of LOSER mentalities this organization has frothed in my mouth for so many years. Bidwells’, Whiz, Cardinal Nation, you have just lost one of the most loyal fans football knows. I cannot take this anymore, I’m going to die of a heart-attack before I turn 40 if I continue down this path. This is my last blog, Darren, thanks for giving me the opportunity to speak my mind. Other Cards fans, a word of advice, if you have another team to root for, do it! I know there are other fans out there who have been a fan much longer than I have, but I’m freaking done! Whiz has no b@lls to do anything and I cannot sit around to watch another failed season. Done! Good luck and god bless!

  24. By Rick on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    You know what I’m tired of? Booing fans. How would you like to have someone over your shoulder at work and have them boo every time you made a mistake? Plus, it’s a horrible example for the kids. These guys are busting their butts every day to develop the team and all they take is garbage for it. Do some players need to re-evaluate their motivation for playing? Yes. But, that comes in time with the challenges they face each day of practice and each game. I think Coach Whisenhunt is doing a great job and handles his players well. Let’s let the coaches coach, the players play, and support our team when they are struggling. :)

  25. By Pataz26 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Whizenhunt is wrong. We don’t want to see them win anymore, they need to lose so have a shot at Andrew Luck!

  26. By Andre on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    I think even unintelligent fans know that DA probably shouldn’t be out there anymore. I saw Whiz and Larry’s face after the game…they couldn’t hide their disappointing. Although I can hardly believe the news….do you think coach Whiz is keeping DA in there so that we have a chance at Andrew Luck in the draft?

    your doing a great job, thanks.

  27. By Trips Right on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    blah blah blah blah…… Same lame answers without accepting responsibility for the decisions being made. Who makes those decisions that aren’t working out for us??? That’s right, Whiz does. Time to man up and accept responsibility and admit to that.

  28. By Lone-Eagle on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I am sorry that you are being forced to have to post this non-sense. My personal opinion, Whiz says we are going to continue what we are doing and we are sure we will get it right. It will never get right with thepersonnel they have right now. DA is not Kurt Warner, Doucet is not Anquan Boldin. With the shuffling of the O line, it’s a mess. Rhodes is not Rolle, and Dansby is no longer here. You are not working with the same team or individual players as you were a year ago. News flash, it’s not working. Next yaer could be worse because rumor has it Carolina is looking at Russ Grimm. I know he will jump at that chance, just like Todd Haley did. When coaches and players change, so do schemes, plays and designs have to as well. As for Skelton, my only question is, then why in the HELL did we trade up to draft him??? Practice is just that Practice, running through the motions with no one alllowed to touch the QB. Put him in the game, let him get his feet wet, get him ready for next year. Is he so fragile and sensitive that one or two bad games could destroy hi psyche and make him believe he is a terrible QB?? In the words of the ESPN Monday Night Football Crew, Ditka, Keyshawn, Boomer, Cris, and the one at the end, can’t remember, C’MON MAN!!!!!

  29. By Eric on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    That’s good to hear that clarification by Whiz. I have been very discouraged by “we’re going to do the same thing we’ve always done” mantra. This makes it clearer, but does he not realize that when people ask “what are you going to do different?”, they aren’t referring to WHAT TIME you practice?

    Honestly, Whiz has not held players and coaches accountable to this point. Not a single player has been benched, not a single coordinator has been called out. If everyone is just going to go out there and lay an egg every week and not be called-out, then obviously it’s on the coach and GM for picking the talent and not preparing them properly or motivating them on gamedays.

  30. By nate on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz is running the risk of damaging his fans. Nobody wants to see us fail with Anderson at the helm. Max Hall is atleast fun to watch at times. He has heart.

  31. By DeckofCards on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz is in a tough position. If you actually start the third string QB then basically you are telling the players you don’t care if you win anymore. In fact…all you are trying to accomplish is to see how Skeleton can handle a bad situation.

    I know most people do want to see what Skeleton can do. They are tired of DA and Hall. I also don’t ever want to see DA or Hall again.

    But, the truth remains as…“You run the risk of damaging a young guy,” Whisenhunt said. This is very true. Especially if Whiz senses the offensive line can’t protect or run block either for that matter. With no play action availible it will be a nightmare for Skeleton.

    And, if the D has “checked out” because of all the 3 and outs. It will be extremely difficult for Skeleton. Almost an unfair situation for a rookie to start.

    Rookies like Bradford, Clausen and even McCoy have had much more practice time. Third stringers have hardly any chance to get live action.

    Even MN won’t use a seemingly talented Webb. Webb was impressive in pre-season. But, he hasn’t not had any time to practice with the starters.

    Anyhow, I do hope Skeleton does get some game time eventually. Maybe Whiz will use him in 1 or 2 games late in the year.

    Another reason I can see why Whiz doesn’t want to use Skeleton now. Is that there are still 5 games left. If Skeleton struggles badlly then what? If there are only 1 or 2 games left. He won’t have to worry as much about 1 bad performance.

  32. By Nick on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Ya whiz we pay to come watch the cardinals play. And all those people who pay dont want to see DA in the game. Why do we have to sit here and lose with him when we can get the same outcome with a rookie. We need to find out about the guys we have ! This is the dumbest choice whiz has made by stick with DA !

  33. By Maunka on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    I am going to ask you a similar question I asked earlier.

    Do you think our upcoming opponents overall strategy and game plan will involve keeping the ball in Derek Anderson’s hands?

    We all have confirmation that Ken Whiz-N-Punt’s plan is to exactly do that, which reflects his “Escalation-of-Commitment.”

    Last week, I posted a comment about the managerial decision making concept, “Escalation-of-Commitment.”

    According to Dillon (2010), “Escalation of commitment refers to the psychological condition whereby people continue to support or believe in something that is repetitively failing. In managerial decision making escalation of commitment can refer to either continuing with a failed or dud project. It may also refer to overestimating one’s own managerial capacity or ability. This is an extension of problem solving where people do not accept they do not have a solution or they have to let go. With escalation of commitment there is a compulsion to not let go. This can be where you have an emotional, psychological or financial investment that may be failing and has led to an irrational compulsion to stick with it or even escalate your commitment. THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THE PROJECT SHOULD BE HALTED BUT THEY ARE TIED TO IT SUBCONSCIOUSLY AND CONSCIOUSLY AND CONTINUE ALMOST TRANCE LIKE. The expression ‘throwing good money after bad’ describes escalation of commitment, in a decision” (Dillion, 2010, para. 1 & 2).

    Reference

    Dillion, B. (2010). Escalation of Commitment Mangerial Decision Making. Retrieved on November 20, 2010 from http://hubpages.com/hub/Escalation-of-Commitment

    Ego is in the way and is attempting to cover up previous decision making mistakes. It is a scary to think that Whiz-N-Punt subconsciously and conciously believes, “Derek Anderson gives us the best chance to win.” Really?! Really?! Millions of people disagree with you coach! Someone needs to step in and wake up the coach because he is in a “trance like” dream right now with Derek Anderson leading us to an NFC West championship. Wake up Coach! Wake Up Coach!

    Sincerely,

    Maunka Morgan

    Go Cards!

  34. By David C. on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Say we finish the year without another “W”. Could you see a coaching change being made?

  35. By Seriously? on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I’m sorry but I do not want to see #3 in any more! I believe in Whiz and know he is a great coach. But the players do not believe in DA. You can see it. The fans do not believe in DA. You can hear it. DA does not believe in DA. Watch his 5 year-old like outburst! He’s not a leader. He’s not a QB. Get rid of him.

  36. By brad Oneill on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    whiz may keep the team but he is losing the fans. It is shocking to me that he didn’t see that Derek absolutely was not capable of taking that team to a win last night.

    The only reason he didnt give up 2 picks is because the 49ers didn’t catch balls thrown to them. another pick was taken back by Steve Breaston.

    i dont blame derek for blowing up last night. he knew he had played bad enough to lose his job. He gave it everything he had and was blindsided by that question.

    This is what he does wrong from a fans perspective.
    Locks into a single receiver
    if he is forced to check down he panics
    he does not scan the field at all

    I don’t know what kind of drills they do with him in practice. but i would send a coach to stand in the very middle of the field and have him focus only on the coach as the offense runs its routs. 2 seconds into the route the coach should drop his arms and derek should scan the field and throw. He needs to learn to trust his peripheral vision. and not set his receivers up to be killed.

  37. By Mario8267 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Simplify the playbook and give Skelton a chance! He will never learn to read defenses if he doesn’t get experience.

  38. By Cardsftw on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    in whiz i trust… i am a disappointed cards fan, but i feel as if this season is a hiccup so we can re-load and make a run at it… last offseason we were destroyed by retirement and free agency. as long as something similar does not happen this year we will be better next year… Fitz, please don’t leave us! Bidwell, Pay the MAN!! give him whatever he wants. draft a QB and fitz will make him awesome! with skelton not playing i disagree with… i think he should at least start 2 games so he can get his feet wet and see what the NFL is like… or don;t start him lose the rest of the games and pray we get the first overall pick and that andrew luck comes out to the draft!

  39. By CardinalsFavor on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Left open ended again.

    The credit from the previous two seasons is almost depleted. If we lose next week, we need to start taking names – internally.

  40. By MIKEFLORIO on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    WoW!!! If the formula for winning doesn’t work, then change it. Whisenhunt is not only losing his fans, but I am seriously looking for accountablity. In the past whisenhunt wouldn’t have been so quick to let losing fester or build. He would change things that needed to be changed, nowa days, he is looking like a complete idiot. Lets not change and not evolve, he basically is conceeding the season. Maybe we should look for a new coach??? Billicheck? Gruden? Tice? Dungy? Edwards? Johnson? There are plenty of experienced coaches out there more than willing to make the decisions that need to be made!!!!!! Fire whisenhunt!! Its Time the fans make a stand, I SAY BOYCOTT EVERYTHING CARDS FROM THE REMAINING GAMES TO THE WEARING YOUR GEAR!!!!

  41. By strangemale on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz has seen the best and worst in this game we love, I have faith that after this debacle of a season, a different, stronger team will emerge.

    Hurts to be soooooooo bad, but….

    That’s why you play the games, cos ya never know.

  42. By Roy on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    So clearly you think it is going to get better.

    I would love to hear how you think we will not be this bad for at least 2 years.
    We are gonna stick by Whiz next year and the year after because he got us to the Superbowl a few years back. Ridiculous, that is a waste of time.

    Here is how the next 2 years will play out. We will have either DA or a ROOKIE or 2ND YEAR QB starting next year. We will sign no good free agents in the off-season because we never have (exception EDGE). We will not dish out the money needed to keep any of our “good” free agents. We will probably miss on our draft picks (Buster Davis, Cody Brown, Levi Brown, etc.) We will be a 3 or 4 win team for the next 2 years and then you will agree Whiz should be fired. By then, Larry will be gone, Cromartie will be leaving, Wilson will retire from frustration, and nobody will be attending Arizona Cardinals game. This is going to get worse before it gets better, I say bring in a DEFENSIVE coach and a creative offensive coordinator. People who root for this team like style and flash not this BORING product we have been given thanks to stupid coaching decisions.

    sorry for posting on 2 boards but I want people to see this and weigh-in.

  43. By mike b on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I hate to say it but he is right Anderson does have the best chance of having us win games, you also don’t want people saying Skelton is not the answer because of his probable poor preformance due to him bieng a rookie. Hall played okay for a rookie but it is obvious he is not ready. We probably look for another QB a vet not a rookie maybe Kolb (if he leaves Phili) or Young and Anderson will be his backup or he will be the starting QB hall and skelton I hope stay on the roster for the next couple of seasons same with Anderson he was forced into a high pressure situation and believe me I wouldn’t do well either.

    Darren I hope that we draft Prince Amukamara CB or even Robert Quinn DE/LB, Mallett would be okay but now that I have seen rookie QBs preform I think our season will stay the same and we won’t win many games….. and isn’t B rob retireing this year?

  44. By QB HELP on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    are you kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow! last night i said i dont blame whiz cause he wants us to win. i said i didnt want HIS head to roll but after that! after saying andersuck is starting why then now im on the fire whiz bandwagon………………what a joke

  45. By Richard on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    What bothers me, is the definition of insanity – doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
    No one see’s DA as part of the future of this team. So why not work on Hall and Skelton and perhaps we get lucky in FA.

  46. By Kevin Watson on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I have been a long time Arizona Cardinal Fan and have generally been supportive of Coach Whiz but this decision has me searching for my Dallas Cowboy garb. I would rather have watched Max Hall throw interceptions and, hopefully, grow over the last 5 weeks rather than watch Derek Anderson do what he has done his career – miss open receivers and turn the ball over. The frustrating part of this is you know what you have in DA, a losing quarterback, and, in all fairness, 5 quarters of football doesn’t tell you much about Max Hall. Just a quick point here, too, Whiz pulled Max Hall after his second interception in a game which was the direct result of Beanie Wells not even trying to make a block – only to watch DA come in and lose the game throwing into the same kind of coverage without getting blown up by the pass rush. Fan Comment to Coach Whiz: The last bit of excitement that your team felt was when Max Hall hit Larry Fitzgerald for a touchdown six games ago. Ever since you went back to Super Loser Anderson, the only emotion one can see in your team is fear and depression. Nice job, coach!

  47. By jahstone on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Coach Whiz…you should KNOW and not BELIEVE.

  48. By mike b on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Actually ASU’s Lawrence Guy may go into the draft he is a pretty good nose tackle to be taken in the second round and montez Burficit (Honestly dont know how to spell the last name) Will be avaliable in the 2012 draft and he is a monster so that could be good for us.

  49. By Jim in Missouri on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I still trust in Whisenhunt, because as a lifetime Cardinals fan, he brought this franchise to a level I never thought I’d see it.

    But … in the aftermath of last night, the laughing thing on the sidelines from Anderson and then his reaction to being called on it after the game, I would think it’s time to throw in the towel on this season, admit that Anderson isn’t the answer and put Hall in there to see if he may be the answer for the future.

    I’d even be in favor of cutting Anderson. You’ve got fans that spend how much money on tickets (how long is the sellout streak), how much money on merchandise, apparel, parking, concessions, etc., who are pissed off about the level of play from Anderson and the offense.

    And when they are getting their butts kicked by a rival, at home, showing no spark at all (again), Anderson is on the sidelines yukking it up in the fourth quarter? To me, that’s giving a big middle finger to anyone who expects more from him and this offense. The manufactured rage in the press conference after he was called on it (plus lying about it: “I wasn’t laughing”) shows Anderson is about as quality a person as he is a quarterback.

  50. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Pay attention John Skelton. Learn from other’s mistakes. Spend more time than anyone in the film room. Your time will come next year.

    I agree with Whiz – there’s just way to much risk by starting a rookie QB on a demoralized, unmotivated, and frustrated team at this point in the season with no realistic chance to make the playoffs. Perhaps Whiz has more confidence in Skelton’s development and potential, which is why he decided to throw the undrafted rookie QB Hall to the wolves instead of Skelton. It’s looking more and more like Hall has been, “Plan C” all along – just a stopgap measure (replacement) to appease the masses and their desire for a change whenever DA has a royally horrible game — all while Skelton waits in the wings, under their shadows.

  51. By fightingbird on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Coach Whisenhunt has taken the cardinals places that they have never been before ,the team has lost several key players especially at the QB position and its tough right now trying to transition new players into the organization and Ive been a cardinals fan since i was 7 and im 46 now you do the math.Ive seen alot of bad seasons but i do appreciate what ive gotten so quit your b—-ing and support your team or jump on a band wagon, im sure one will be by to pick you up soon enough.Thank you Coach for all the good times, im behind you and the big red. Remember WE DO THIS TOGETHER !!!!!!!.

  52. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    We need the Bills and Bengals to each win a game so they can be at three wins like the Cards. The record of the Cards opponents will be among the poorest in all the NFL which I believe, means the Cards will draft higher than teams that finish with the same record at season’s end.

    Just don’t see the Panthers winning two more games though to bring their total to three. They only have one win now. Fox is such a lame duck. What a disaster and turn of fate for a good guy who took his team to the Super Bowl a few years back. Make sure that doesn’t happen to you Whiz!

    I don’t know much about Andrew Luck, other than he’s looked good on some nationally televised TV games. But so did Matt Leinart, who also played in the Pac 10. I don’t see that much difference between Luck and Leinart games at the college level. Luck seems to be at a different maturity level and better grounded than Leinart was coming out of college. I wouldn’t plan on Luck spending any nights in Paris soon. You never get a second chance to make a first impression Andrew, so learn from the mistakes of those who have gone before you.

  53. By tyman on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    DA should have though about the dirtiest joke anyone ever told him and gave that answer to the reporter.

  54. By NJAzCards Fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    As long as DA’s plays for this team, I will be doing something else besides watching Cardinal football on Sunday…..
    Whiz has become the captain of the Titanic, setting a course for a ultimate meltdown of the fan base. How can a team win with this set up????
    I guess he really wants that top 3 1st round draft choice…..

    And the band play on while the water was rising…..

  55. By Brandon LA on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    The fans are already damaged. Hello. Stick a fork in it. It’s done. There are no answers in the locker room or anywhere else in the Cardinals building. Players and coaches didn’t deliver.

    Fans delivered. Sold out Stadiums and what not. Cards are taking steps back. So much for good cards football.

    Sick of seeing the poor effort on Sunday. “we work hard all week, and we’ll continue to do so” Yeah me too. We all do. That’s what we do, work during the week. Go figure.

    Tackle somebody. Catch something. Block something. You all look confused out there. It’s (explitive) to watch.

  56. By Judy on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Well i for 1 don’t have to watch Derek Anderson I have my next two home game tickets up to sell on the Cardinals ticket exchange.I can use the money to go to Suns,or Coyotes games.At least ,win or lose, they are fun to watch.There is nothing fun about watching Derek Anderson staring down recievers,throwing behind their backs,in the dirt at their feet,throwing picks,and fumbling the football away.

  57. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    holy cow… holy cow… I’m speechless. I’ve been Wiz’s biggest supporter since day one of this regime, but… wow. Anderson gives us the best chance to win? If that’s the case, then that means we have NO ONE ELSE even capable of stepping on the field and THAT is on Wiz. Jesus, I’ve always said Wiz gets a mulligan for this season, but even now, I’m ready to join the lynch mob. Jesus Christ. I have ZERO reason to watch this team for the rest of the season now. We’ve got ZERO shot to win in the present and we’re not even evaluating for the future. Just when you think it can’t get any worse. This is INDEFENSIBLE.

  58. By Christo on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Someone ask Whiz the tough questions.

    When will we get an OC?
    Why hang onto our DC for the rest of the year?
    Who are we going after for QB next year?

    Not that he can answer #3. But we NEED an OC and we NEED a DC. SHOW us something Whiz. We have yet to see ANYTHING this year that can have us thinking the future is looking good.

  59. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    David C –

    RE: Coaching change

    Head coach? No. Staff-wise? Yes.

  60. By tyman on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    DA is way better than Max or Skelton. Thats not to say hes a starter.

  61. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Maunka –

    RE: Anderson/strategy

    Obviously, just because Whisenhunt thinks Anderson gives the Cards “the best chance to win” doesn’t mean Anderson gives the Cards a good chance to win. This is comparing to the other QBs. It says as much about where Hall/Skelton are as Anderson.

    As for opponents, I would do that with any underachieving QB. The Cards wanted to make Troy Smith beat them last night. The problem is they couldn’t stop the run game.

  62. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Carlo7000 –

    RE: Young players

    Would I use them more now? Yes. Will the Cards? We will see.

  63. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Andre –

    RE: Why Anderson

    I can only go by what Whiz says. I can’t imagine DA playing to have a better shot at losing. In fact, I’d think if that was the reasoning, they’d go with an inexperienced QB instead.

  64. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “just because Whisenhunt thinks Anderson gives the Cards “the best chance to win” doesn’t mean Anderson gives the Cards a good chance to win.” and therein lies the rub… no coach is going to come out and just say this, but at a certain point in the season, when you suck as royally as we do, the rest of the season isn’t about THIS season, it’s about the future. Winning games at this point a) will only hurt us from getting top talent we desperately need in the draft (assuming Rod Graves has NAY ability to judge that talent and b) is a laughable concept in it’s own right. I am DISGUSTED with this decision. This QB has blamed the wind and god knows what else for his poor play, laughed about it on national TV, then freaked out when called out on the carpet about. He’s been an EMBARASSMENT at every turn and NOT going to anyone else, even in GARBAGE TIME last night is mind-boggling. Simply mind-boggling. I haven’t been mad all season. The FO screwed the pooch long ago with Q and Dansby and Warner’s retirement really hurt, but all along, at least I thought we had a coach who could make the tough decisions. Instead, I’m starting to believe we have a coach who MIGHT have been propped up by a miracle run, left over talent from one great Dennis Green draft (2004) and in reality, the emperor has no clothes and that makes me weep for the future of this team, ESPECIALLY with Rod Graves bumbling Rick Mirer-trading keister being at the forefront of a draft pick which will go a long way in deciding our future for years. THIS FREAKING SUCKS DARREN.

  65. By Thomas on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I’d like to hear Whiz’s thoughts on rookie Sam Bradford taking the Rams from worst to first. I’d also like to hear his thoughts on Matt Ryan’s success on the Falcons, taking them to the playoffs while he was a rookie. I understand how Matthew Stafford, starting as a rookie for the Lions, has been battling injuries and runs the risk of having a short career. I believe this may be his thoughts about why not to start rookies but I’d like to hear about his thoughts on the ones who have found success in their rookie years and how they were able to make it work.

  66. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Pat –

    RE: Skelton’s thoughts

    http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/10/29/friday-before-the-bucs/

  67. By WNYcardsfan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Anderson = 3 n out, I mean how many of those do we want to see. Its just bad all the way around. Can we get some emotion like Andeson showed in the press on the FIELD????? I mean go ahead and rebuild, redo the team, try some people out etc… but can you show some confidence, some attitude on the field?? Feed them some 5hr energy or something before the game. We just look like crap. Its embarrassing big time. There is NOTHING fun about watching them. Coach needs to do more than just “change scheme’s” try something different, how about pounding the ball, screw the pass. Its not working. Let them get blown out, but run the ball 30 times and pass 20 (if you can even get that many plays in a game given the poor offensive play).

  68. By brad Oneill on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    supporting your team doesn’t mean accepting bad decsions! it means you stand up and yell when you see the same mistake made over and over. The bandwagon fans arent the ones bitching and moaning they are the ones that already left. those of us complaining are complaining because we are invested in this team.

    I love the cardinals, I really believe they turned a corner in recent years and have seen the light when it comes to investing in good players. But that doesn’t mean i am going to sit down and drink my 12 dollar beer quietly in the stands while the head coach drives the team into the ground.

    I do not believe Whiz should be fired. I do believe he needs to listen to someone and pull off his blinders. I wish Bill Cowher or someone he respected would get in his face and let him know he is hurting his team by playing oc when he should be head coach. he is hurting his team by not letting Max develop under fire. He is hurting his team by calling throws on 3rd and 3 or less. Yes the only big play yesterday was a 45 yard pass on 3rd and 3 to a runningback. but come on what are the percentages on that play. you have play for the first down first.

    Had he gone with max instead of DA at absolute worst we would have the same record right now that we have anyway. I realize that would be terribly unfair to max. but the reality of the nfl is such that by giving him those three games early and not letting him redeem himself his nfl career is in all likelihood over. At least give the kid a chance to come back.

    the defensive play yesterday should be the end of bill davis. It may not be his fault but he hasn’t fixed it. Our defense is like a soaking wet generic paper towel trying to catch a bowling ball. I saw a number of plays were our defensive line seemed to go hard for 2 seconds then give up. because they just assumed the ball was out of the qbs hands. The dbs only good play came when Money mike was trailing the man he was supposed to be covering by 6 feet and the ball bounced off the receiver into his hands. if the receiver brings that in its a huge play.

  69. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Thomas –

    RE: Rookie QBs

    I understand the point you are making. But to compare two No. 1 overall picks and a No. 3 overall pick to a fifth-rounder who played at Fordham isn’t realistic.

    If, for example, the Cards ended up with Andrew Luck next year — not knowing what veteran was on the roster — I wouldn’t be shocked to see the rookie start.

  70. By Judy on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    To Jim in Missouri:
    Did Wiz really take us to that level, or was it Haley and Warner? I now think that Clancy Penderghast was a better DC than Billy Davis,He certainly was not worse.The QB mess he has gotten us into,may not be resolved for years now.We are paying a very high price now for only two good seasons,and no ring either.

  71. By Jim in Missouri on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, I know you’re not in the decision-making process, but …

    I think by saying Derek Anderson is the best chance they have to win, that’s basically an admission that they have decided that they don’t have any true “QB for the future” on the roster.

    Is Anderson the longterm QB here? Obviously not, and I don’t think anyone would argue that he is. But if the coaching staff would rather play him than to put in a rookie QB and get him some reps and actual game experience down the stretch in what has already become a lost season, that’s pretty telling about what the coaching staff thinks of who they’ve got.

    Fair assessment?

  72. By Adam on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    My heart goes out to the Buffalo Bills who play hard every week and lose close games to the Steelers, Patriots and Chiefs. And we have to watch the Cardinals who have no fight, quit and get bullied all over the field in every way possible.

    The Cardinals are a disgrace to the NFL. The Buffalo Bills may have a worse record than the Cardinals but clearly… THE CARDINALS ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE NFL.

    THEY HAVE THE WORST COACHES!!
    THEY HAVE THE WORST AND CHEAPEST OWNERS!!
    THEY HAVE THE WORST FANS AS WELL!!

  73. By Rich on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    If putting in a 5th round draft pick “isn’t realistic”, why haven’t you been so opposed to putting in an undrafted rookie (Hall)?

  74. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Jim In –

    RE: QB of the future

    I can’t argue. I still wonder about Skelton, but if he is that far off, it doesn’t really help to throw him in there right now.

  75. By georgiebird on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Winning came very easy for Whiz (thanks to Warner). Now he is dealing with reality but he is in denial. His answers are so B.S..- most recently on Skelton
    1) what was Whiz’ rationale for playing Skelton in an exhibition game. Playing in the second half of an exhibition game with your subs and the opponent’s subs trying to make a name for themselves is a tough situation.
    2) Skelton played better in an exhibition game than any of the other QBs

    What’s good for the organization is to play Skelton against the Rams- the Rams’ defense is soft and lousy. Once the lousy Cards’ defense gives up 3 TDs and puts the game out of reach, I would pull Skelton and put Hall or DA in. As long as there is a pass/run option for Skelton , he should be fine against the Rams.

    In the past, the Cardinals would win next week’s game against the Rams and throw all the valid conclusions we’ve come to into the questionable area. In fact a win against the Rams is the worst thing that can happen to the Cards-AND that’s why the Cardinals will beat the Rams next week for their last win of the season.

  76. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Rich –

    RE: Hall v Skelton

    In my opinion — and again, my opinion — Hall was more of a swing for the fences type of pickup. One of the things coaches liked about him was that he was older and, because of the college system he played in, more NFL-ready. So it made more sense to see him now. The other thing? If you take out Anderson, you have to put in someone. Only two other QBs on the roster (and everyone, don’t bother reigniting the Leinart stuff again. I won’t post it).

  77. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    A lot of you fans don’t seem to really understand. The problem with this team is not all on the QB, yes, I think DA is complete garbage, yes I wish we would of kept Lienart, and yes I wish we would throw Skelton in. The real problem is what Whiz and Graves failed to do, and that was keep out leadership. Karlos Dansby has always been the soul of this defense, they let him walk, Antrel Rolle played a huge part as well, they failed to give him the contract he wanted, Anquan Boldin, the best Cardinal to ever play for this orginization, the true heart and soul of this team, he started it all, he was all this team had until we brought in Fitz, they promised him a contract, something that he deserves, they sent him packing too. Thats were they failed, DA can be as terrible of a QB as he wants, if the team had the leaders we created, none of this would be going on, despite Kurt retiring.

  78. By Mike Baughman on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    If DA gives the cards the best chance to win we have no chance. 3-13 here we come. I see nothing in this team to be optimistic about. I can’t even come up with anyone deserving my vote for the pro bowl. During previous throw away seasons I could always come up with someone who stood out. I can live with them losing games as long as I saw that it was possible for them to when. This team has nothing going for it. Defense is non-existent, offense cant move the ball, turnovers, penalties, etc all look like a team that has packed it in for the year.
    Same old cardinals are back.

  79. By WNYcardsfan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Well, there is one good thing about this decision and the overall performance of the team. If you are into fantasy football, you can probably pick up a few points weekly by choosing the defense that is playing the cards this week.

  80. By georgiebird on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    What’s the difference where a guy played- this isn’t the 1950′s when there was no film on players. Skelton is an impressive player-that’s why I hope the Cardinals drafted him. The League is loaded with failures from USC, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio St, etc.
    And where did Warner play before he got to the Rams- the Arena Football League. And where did Big Ben play -was it the “U” or was it the cradle of coaches Miami, Ohio. And there was a time many, many years ago that Fordham had some of the best football players in the country-not to mention Lombardi.
    The only good reason for not playing Skelton is that DA has been terrible and should be allowed to screw up against all divisional opponents.
    Give the kid a chance

  81. By VirgoDavid on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Yes I have been watching Cardinal Football since 1960, when they moved to St. Louis; yes, I am an old guy with lots of experience with this team and ownership. I am a native of St Louis, and really was unhappy when they moved to Phoenix in 1988; would much rather have had an expansion team with much different owners. But no the same heartbreak set in.
    The financial resources never have been abundant, and the team history shows that, very load and clear.
    Curt W. WAS the team, as Jim Hart was in the mid 70′s (last success). I blame the ownership for not getting an experienced, and good QB to cover, it is unexcusable to subject the fans to this type of football again! The Whiz should try something new, like Skelton, he’s a big boy, and worrying about his psychic is his mother’s issue, not the Cardinals. Play him!

  82. By Dustin D on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Not to be a jerk or anything, but honestly, besides last weeks poll question all of the polls need an all of the above option. They are playing so poorly in every single aspect of the game its sickening. I really want to puke when i watch how terrible these guys play. I still believe in whiz and hopefully he can pull outa this slump before next year. We need a good solid offseason, like signing Peyton right? lol jk. not really tho

  83. By dan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Anderson has played 6 years and he can’t even look at more than one receiver…….OMG! Whiz is an idiot for even keeping the clown in the game. OBVIOUSLY the TEAM is not responding to ANDERSON. Where have I heard a comment like that before? Oh yeah, when we had Leinart. I know we lost some good players but the only 1 that really counted was Kurt Warner and our QB position is our main problem……….change it.

  84. By Jim in Missouri on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    RE: QB of the future

    I can’t argue. I still wonder about Skelton, but if he is that far off, it doesn’t really help to throw him in there right now.

    —————————————–

    I agree that if Skelton is that far off, it makes no sense to throw him in there. But then again, if he’s that far off, why is he even on the roster? It’s not like he’s going to learn much behind the QBs ahead of him, or from the coaching staff that hasn’t brought about much (any?) improvement in the players we have.

    And I’m not trying to bring up the Leinart issue, I remember some of the rationale being that he didn’t have the leadership or respect from his teammates necessary to be the starting QB here. What kind of leadership has Anderson shown? From the opening snap, when he and Wells collide on a handoff and the offense sits back and watches the 49ers recover the fumble, that team as a whole quit. In a home game on national TV against a rival opponent, they quit..

    If I was Whisenhunt, there would be a lot of those quitters sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, or looking for a new place to play.

  85. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “Only two other QBs on the roster (and everyone, don’t bother reigniting the Leinart stuff again. I won’t post it).”

    Holy cow… REALLY?! When the HC literally won’t put ANY OTHER QB in the game when he’s starting THE WORST QB in the league, the QB controversy HE created is OFF-LIMITS? This isn’t about “We’d be better than Matt”… it’s an entirely different issue that Wiz left himself with LITERALLY NO ONE BUT THE WORST QB IN FOOTBALL AND NO BACKUP. Banning all talk of that situation doesn’t just make no sense whatsoever, but it’s incredibly childish on your part.

    Give me a freaking break Darren. By not being able to bring up Matt, you’re basically now saying we can’t question Wiz and his decision to go into the season with literally no one else on the roster that could play quarterback. That’s almost as ridiculous as the decision itself.

    You may be sick of hearing about Leinart, but the season’s progression dictates that THAT decision is reverberating in one way or another throughout it and to throw it in a lock box and pretend it doesn’t exist is pathetic. Again, this isn’t about “we’d be better, blah, blah, blah” this is about Wiz literally painting himself in a corner where his ONLY CHOICE IS DEREK ANDERSON?!

    You might as well shut down this blog at this point, or tell us what we can or can’t discuss because no being able to discuss the repercussions of the biggest decision of the season is retarded.

    Good lord. What a baby you are.

    Maybe it was Sommers all those years I was thinking about when I lauded you back in the Trib days. Pathetic… absolutely pathetic on your part.

  86. By dan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    A.J. Feely or Culpepper still FA? Man, we need somebody besides Anderson, I’ve seen enough. Seen enough from him after week 1.

  87. By Phoenixraven1 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I am so negative about everything as a fan right now but choosing to see some positives for next year: Very impressed with D. Williams (NT) and wish Wiz would get over his love of old players and start him, Andre Roberts looks very intriguing as a receiver-very shifty and hard to tackle, Washington has some crazy speed and can’t wait to see him develope, and very excited about Schofield developing this quickly when we didn’t think he’d even play.

    Get us a QB, defensive coordinator, and some youth at OLB and we will be right back!

    That’s all the positive in me right now for the Cards…what do you think!!!!

  88. By D.Burban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “the same things”

    More Losing?

  89. By reap37 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I could not be more disappointed with this football team,the coaches and management. I still don’t understand attempting to institute the Steeler’s culture without the Steeler’s spirit. I don’t think we can do the same things they do. The key is, of course, the most important position and that is QB. It looks like Kurt hid a multitude of sins. Having said that, isn’t it time to plan on figuring out who should stay and whould should go at this point. Then, have a strategy to get a talented QB, probably in the draft (Luck form Stanford). I want this tean to succeed and don’t see how to support this process.

  90. By ross on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    A few people have said it, but you can’t make anderson the scapegoat. The whole team is playing like poo. Come on cards. And I think Somers was doing his best to get DA to crack…Darren, do you think his persistence was unfounded? I felt it was like kicking a man when he is down.

  91. By David C. on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    On a positive note, I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to renew my end zone seats for much cheaper next year, and move down from row 20.

  92. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    cheesebeef –

    RE: Your post

    I’ll take that as frustration.

    I’ll tell you what. All I was trying to do was explain the situation in the question posed to me. I wasn’t saying Leinart wasn’t to be brought up again period, but I wasn’t going to listen to everyone prattle on about cutting Leinart again when I had clearly lobbed up a softball (within the answer to the question) to do so.

    I never said you can’t question Whiz, and to be frank, it ticks me off that anyone would have the stones to come on here and bitch about what you can’t complain about when I approve virtually every comment on here. Find me how many team websites constantly post fans ripping ownership/coaches/etc.

    I’m not asking for a medal for doing that. It’s what is right, and I believe you are allowed to feel that way, especially right now. But feel free to step off the high horse.

  93. By georgiebird on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Can’t agree with all this leadership BS about Rolle and Dansby. How about the leadership we lost with Rackers, Becht, Berry, Francisco, Okeafor Beisel etc ?
    The best thing the Cardinals did in the off-season was not not sign Dansby and Rolle for the asking price. Wish they hadn’t signed DD and A-dub (last year)
    Dansby has 2 sacks for the Dolphins and Rolle continues to be a hit or miss guy with the Giants (with a great defense to cover for his missed tackles) Like everyone, I would have liked the saved money to be used productively.
    Getting back to small colleges- the most talented Cardinal -Roy Green- went to tiny Henderson State. A few weeks ago Henderson beat Quachita Baptist to stay alive in the Gulf Coast Conference. I’m sure the Whiz would have kept Roy Green on the bench for a few years so he could get used to the jump to the NFL.

  94. By Josh C on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    -Rick-
    You know what I’m tired of? Booing fans. How would you like to have someone over your shoulder at work and have them boo every time you made a mistake? Plus, it’s a horrible example for the kids. These guys are busting their butts every day to develop the team and all they take is garbage for it. Do some players need to re-evaluate their motivation for playing? Yes. But, that comes in time with the challenges they face each day of practice and each game. I think Coach Whisenhunt is doing a great job and handles his players well. Let’s let the coaches coach, the players play, and support our team when they are struggling.

    ——–

    Yeah keep on telling yourself that brother, truth is the FANS are paying to support this team (tickets, merchandise, etc.) and to say that our guys are trying their BEST and working their but off is a JOKE! Our gys came out and tried for all of 5 minues last night after that they were not even getting lined up in position timely if AT ALL. Also, to say that Wiz is doing a great job is also a JOKE! I don’t even really see the reason for Wiz to do pressers and longer and a simple recording set on a table set to loop week in and week out will suffce.

    Next season perhaps we can look to better days, but as of today, this season, we are the JOKE of the NFL and our team doesn’t seem to give a shat if they play or not…… sad sad day for this Cards fan!

  95. By Dylan H. on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks Darren for allowing so much discussion and not filtering much. It must be a pretty unsatisfying task running this blog at this point. You, Steve, and La-rod have done pretty good this season, :^) As for the rest……………………………

  96. By David C. on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com just posted his daily video, focusing on coaches on the hot seat, and surprise, surprise, Whiz is in at #4. Another loss and more of the national media will begin taking notice. I honestly believe a poor finish will seal Whiz’s fate. There’s no way the Bidwells could keep him, especially if the fans continue reacting as negatively as they are at the stadium on game day. While the team continues to “make progress”, as Whiz claims, the organization is on the fringe of losing the fans for good. The Bidwells can’t stand pat and let that happen.

  97. By Blair on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Pish posh with all this luck talk! Puck up kolb and draft a great corner or lb. a new qb wont fix the worst D in the leauge.

  98. By Blair on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Pish posh with all this luck talk! Puck up kolb and draft a good cb or lb. a rookie qb wont fix the worst d in the nfl

  99. By Gary Stevenson on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren remember the other day when you asked me “what laughing and horseplay” well here it shows up again for the whole world to see (DA and Duce laughing) So are you going to try and belittle me again like I am from mars or are you going to admit it?
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein -
    The owners are insane, the coaches are insane! and the players have just flat out gave up on this season!

  100. By Jovy on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    I definitely don’t envy you right now, trying to respond to hordes of upset fans. I can understand their frustration though. I just hope that we lose every game from here on out so we have a chance at getting Luck in the draft. This season is cashed folks, lets chin up and prepare for next years. And Darren, thank you for your hard work in keeping up with this blog.

  101. By CJ on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I have to agree with one other commenter… Max Hall is more fun to watch. I just simply enjoyed that guy’s heart. You could tell he brought it all when he stepped out on the field. The players rallied more around him. Even if we lose with Hall (which is likely), it would be a fun game to watch.

    As long as we stick with DA, I think I’m going to start watching the Chargers or even the Cowboys (despite their losing season) because the Cardinals are just no fun to watch anymore. It’s no fun watching the defense play all game long.

    I like Whiz and unlike many other commentors, I think he’s still a good choice for our head coach, but I strongly disagree with his decision to keep DA in. We’re going to lose fans with DA.

  102. By Mission Accomplishment! on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    The “Season Is Not Lost” ..,in a weak NFC West it is possible to represent division, Cardinal Players..,”Fundamentals of Tackling”..,Just cause Karlos Dansby left doesn’t mean he took “Concept” with him! It is a lot easier than some of you players think! You utilize angles against ball-carriers and you wrap! I know this because I have demonstrated as such..,I believe many of you players have too much pride to end up on the bottom of a collision @the “line of scrimmage”..,but the reality is..,you sometimes “HAVE TO BE AT THE BOTTOM, TO BE ON THE TOP” of your game..,(Yes, you Defensive Arizona Cardinals Players whom read this!)

  103. By Colorado Cards Fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren–You do a great job. Don’t let anyone get to you.

    I believe that we have good players, so if that is the case then the schemes/plays are faulty. The same old same old is not working, so something needs to be shaken up and changed. Wade Phillips for DC and Josh McDaniel for OC (since Denver will very likely let him go this year). Those moves alone will shake things up!

  104. By Jesse Robles on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I love how this everyone thinks Ken Whisenhunt got us here, Its obvious to the Blind that KURT WARNER WAS THE CARDS!!! Ken road him and looked pretty good just like the Ted if the cards. DRC is pathetic, plays when he wants, FITZGERALD needs to practice catching this offseason, looks like TO with all his dropped passes. Offensive line sucks, Brandon Keith was horrible, time to let Faneca Aka whizs boy go. Keep Riding DA like you did Warner Wiz, not the same results. Swallow your pride and do something.

  105. By Steven on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Why has Bill Davis not been fired already? Why do we not have an offensive coordinator? Why do we put our CBs 10-12 yards off the line when it’s man coverage? Why does the organization not spend money to bring better players in? Why do we act like we have lost a game when we’re only a touchdown down? FRUSTRATED WITH MY FAVORITE TEAM.

  106. By cardsfan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Ryan Mallett here we come

  107. By MikeG on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren–I hope some of our younger players get more playing time the last 5 games, especially on defense. I was really surprised how we got manhandled up front. Our defensive line could not get off blocks and with Campbell not playing and Dockett limited we were exposed. It seemed at times we were even slow to line up for the play. We lost badly in the time of posession again and I think our defense is just wearing down as the season goes on. I would give Dan Williams and Daryl Washington major playing time the last five games –which will help them for next year. I really think our defense has struggled mainly from transitioning from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 . There seems to be alignment and gap control issues that did not occur when we ran a 4-3. This also plays against Adrian Wilson’s strength. I think that is our underlying problem–our players are not suited and comfortable for a 3-4 defense at this point!! What do you think??

  108. By AZ fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    What happened to using the tight ends for our passing game? I’ve hardly seen any reps for Patrick or Spach.

  109. By SandyAJ on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    As much as I would love to jump on the fire anderson bandwagon, since we have pretty much lost ANY playoff chances, i think i have a better alternative for our remaining games.

    If anyone remembers our 2007 Season, whiz was swapping in an out quarterbacks between lienart and warner, until lienart’s injury put him out of commission.

    Why not during the rest of the game, do a bit of that again, if skelton is still unplayable at least try to use the remaining game time top give hall some more actual game play exp, and try to have anderson try to redeem him self by getting more reps with the team. i know it feels bad for me to say give anderson more time, but, we have nothing left to lose …we’ve lost too much already.

    eventually, id like to see a qb competition between the three qbs, if everyones issue with hall and skelton is because they are rookies, then give them some game time so they can break the rookie shell xp geeze.

    another thing i noticed, so many people are crying and whining because of warner and boldin leaving, but i dont think ive seen many even mentioning how much our defense has broken down due to Berry retiring, its almost like the team has lost the glue that formed them together.

  110. By Michelle on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I am very confused as to why whiz is not taking up for the bad play calling he has done. Along with Davis. We need a OC some of that play calling was out right stupid and in my opinion its whiz and davis’s fault we are losing. There is NO doubt we have talent. NONE WHAT SO EVER! Yes DA isnt the best Qb but the calls that are being called aren’t helping the situation. We are one of the only teams where the coach is also OC. He needs to pick which one he wants to do and hire someone else in the other position. He owes that to his team and to the fans! The year we went to the SB we had a OC last year the only reason we went to the playoffs is because we had a QB who could call it and change it on the field if need be. Our Defense was sloppy not because of the players because of the play calling. Its rediculious! Its is a complete embarrassment to the team and the fans. The 49ers are by no means any better then we are. The only thing I can hope for at this point is a really good draft pick and I hope we use it wisely. I also hope the manager at some point gets us a OC. Because this is a joke!! If we want a future they better start fixing things quick for next season because we are going to lose some valuable players if we dont change things. Breaston is up next year and the year after Fitz is and I have no doubt in my mind they both will leave if things dont change. They both want to win and they both are tired of the embarrassment you can see it in their face. They both are great recievers. We will definatly be in trouble if we lose Fitz. We need things to change. I know this season is over for us. Thats fine but what are they going to do to fix what they have messed up? They owe that answer to the fans!! I stick by the team win or lose! Its not the teams fault we have horrible play calling on both D and O. All this talent and they cant figure it out! How sad!!

  111. By Don't Take Losses on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I sit row 1 end zone with binoculars. I watched play after play after play of SF running up the A gap with NO one there. Seriously, maybe 20 plays where the runner wasn’t touched until 5 to 10 yards into Cards side of line. Where in the hell is the coach?

    They ran the ball down our throats on defense and stuffed the ball down our mouths on offense. DA largely irrelevant. Man to man, they whupped our a_s and I was embarrassed. No passion, no intensity, no heart.

    Never I thought I’d see a Cards team again that made so little effort to compete. SF did exactly what was expected, and DOMINATED us on both lines. Thats on the coach.

  112. By Nicholas Kaizen(nkaizen@yahoo.com) on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    DARREN–

    PLEASE MAKE SURE ALL PLAYERS AND PERSONNEL SEE THIS POST! IN FACT BLOW IT UP & POST IT ALL OVER THE CARDINALS FACILITY!! MAYBE THEN THEY WILL TAKE THEIR HEAD OUTTA THEIR ASSES & PLAY SOME DAMN FOOTBALL, NOT THIS POP WARNER CRAP THEY CANT EVEN EXECUTE!!!

    CARDINALS ARE ALL GARBAGE RIGHT NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FITZ, LSH, & BREASTON, & SKELTON(CUS HE HASN’T GOT A CHANCE TO PROVE ME WRONG)!! HIRE A DAMN OC, FIRE RUSS GRIMM’S SORRY ASS, FIRE BILL DAVIS CUS HE IS GARBAGE & HAS NO IDEA HOW TO TURN A DEFENSE AROUND! DRC, CC, JOEY PORTER, DARNELL DOCKETT, THE WHOLE O-LINE, BEANIE WELLS, TIM HIGHTOWER, BRYAN ROBINSON, DAN WILLIAMS, GREG TOLER, KERRY RHODES, ADRIAN WILSON, PERIS LENON, GEALD HAYES, CLARK HAGGENS, ALAN BRANCH, GABE WATSON & ANYONE OTHER THAN FITZ, LSH, BREASTON, & SKELTON ARE ALL OVER RATED, TOO OLD, OR JUST PLAIN GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE!!

    PS, WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?????? I POSTED MY NAME & EMAIL ADDRESS JUST IN CASE ANY OF OUR PLAYERS WANNA E-MAIL ME AND THANK ME FOR THIS PEP TALK, I HOPE THEY TAKE IT TO THE HEART & TURN THIS SEASON AROUND EVEN THOUGH IT SEEM THAT THERE IS NO SAVING IT!!!!!!!

  113. By Jennifer on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    While, I feel there is never an excuse for profanity, I do think that the reporter asking the question should be ashamed of himself! In my opinion, that was an innappropriate question. I believe that laughter is a necessary tool to get through tough times. For that reporter to insinuate that it was not ok for the laughter was inexcusable. This sets a bad example for all mnkind. This sets a stereotype that you are bad if you laugh through tough times. How much more difficult is it now going to be for those who will hold back their emotions now for fear of judgement? Inexcusable. It is no wonder that Derek felt he needed to hide the fact that he had been laughing. Who cares why he was laughing, or what it was about? Let’s hear about strategy, and how they will continue to move forward. Let’s give them all credit for going out infornt of the world and doing someting very difficult and not tear them down when it doesn’t go well.

  114. By Jones from IL on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Make your list and check it twice. How many Cardinals are playing well enough to even be on the team.
    Breaston
    Fitz
    Doucet
    Money Mike Adams
    Larod Stephens Howling
    Kerry Rhodes
    Cromartie
    Dockett
    Campbell
    Toler
    Gerald Hayes
    Washington
    Sendlein
    Paris Lennon
    Porter
    (sorry Wilson is not on my list)

    I think if players had a base salary, with big bonuses to win, you might see players trying harder. Big Red you embarassed yourselves on National TV, so much so, that you don’t even belong in the NFL. You played like the globe trotters nightly opponent. Bring on the priactice squad .

    Billy Davis should be fired right now. If our players are supposed to have the talent and the will – then failure rests with coaching.

    We need an offensive coordinator – Whiz – shouldn’t be calling the plays.
    Just give me 20 plays that will work, not 200 that are too fun to draw up that might work

  115. By Dustin D on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    ross

    I think kent was just doing his job. I do agree with you about it not only being DA but it starts with him and he is a main reason. I mean every week he is either throwing high balls and getting our recievers/running backs (LSH) killed, screwing up a hand off or thowing ints. Hes a joke. If i was 3-8 losing to the 49ers. Excuse me “getting beat down by the 9ers” there is nothing you could possible say to me to make me smile. Especially when i can barley manufacture a flippin first down.

    Darren,

    Dont stop doing all you do.

  116. By TucsonTim on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Run the wildcat. Breaston can throw, Doucet can throw. It would be entertaining. It’s going to be tuff putting butts in the seats doing more of the same. At this point it’s about next season anyway

  117. By Kakie on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I still say establish a stupid / bad decision play fund. Fine their butts off! High tthrown balls to receivers puts them in jeopardy…fine DA. Stupid plays that cost us yardage…fine them! The players need to take some responsiblities for all of their actions. So they say they are working hard…their actions on the field doesn’t show it. So get together and decide to do what it takes to get the best out of each and every player…a fine fund will do that. Then take the money at the end of the year and give to pee wee football league or designate a charity. Do Something! Step Up and make yourselves accountable for your actions! The cheap shots that are costing us by penalties…be accountable and pay the fine if you are the guilty one! Just Do Something! If we are stuck watching all of you play on the field each week, then be accountable for your actions. Act on the field like you are out there to win and not just collect your paycheck!

  118. By Artie on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren -

    With the trouble in TN, Any chance the Cardinals might go after Vince Young in the off season?

  119. By B on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Ryan Fitzpatrick/(sp?)

    How much money you think he’ll want?
    And would it be a good signing in your opinion.

  120. By badyear on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    need–OC–QB

    if DA is even asked back for next year goodby season ticket holder!!!

    The D can’t play 2/3rds of the game and be effective.

    DA should find another career maybe McD’s

  121. By Anthony on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Wow do we have problems as a team!!! Problems on both sides of the ball, too many to even mention. I am sick of hearing about Kurt Warner leaving. Enough already we know Kurt was great,but life goes on!!! How about an offensive and defensive coordinator!!! Whiz your play calling stinks!!! This team needs to be accountable in every aspect,including the coaches and management!!! I agree give Skelton a shot, he cant do any worse then Hall did. As a diehard Cardinal fan this teams play is extremely poor and that is the only thing that is continually consistent!!

  122. By CARDINAL CITY on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren!!
    just read that post..u came REAL with it!!…i apreciate ur BLOGS!!
    CardZ fan 4ever just cant wait till we start winning again i just hope FITZ
    will be here when where winning again heard RUMORS that he might not be happy here no more W no QB true ??.. Is he signed or is this the last year ?..

  123. By modavaysean on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Skeltonhad 158.3 passerrating in his first time with tho lights on. Ya it was a 3rd string Defense but the ball was put in places only the WR’s could get them so why not give him the go at a start. We might as well see what we got in him b4 we grab a QB in the 1st round next year

  124. By Christian on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Cards owners need to lay down the law: Play Skelton and Hall to develop both young players and to see if there’s any hope for either one of them. It’s a quick and easy thing to see if a QB has talent. Give them a chance. Unless we get the #1 pick (Andrew Luck, Stanford), why waste the #1 pick on a QB if we don’t need to. Top 5 has some special players in it at all positions that the Cards need (CB, DE and LB). It’s time to think about next year. Evaluate talent by playing the talent. Pick quality picks by taking the best player on the board (Luck if available or CB/DE/LB). Come on Whiz, we still trust you and appreciate what you’ve done for this team. Do the right thing.

  125. By Christian on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    If Luck isn’t available, who do you think our Cards should draft? If Luck is available, should the Cards draft him even if Skelton/Hall get chances to play and play well?

  126. By Bill B. on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Alot has already been covered but here is my 2 cents…
    At the beginning of the year, I knew offensively we were in trouble. Defensively however, I was highly optimistic. Losing Dansby and Rolle hurt, but we picked up some pretty good guys in Williams and Washington.
    In the first few games, our defense looked good, especially vs. the Saints. Who the h*ll is making calls for the defense? Since the Saints game, they have fallen off of a cliff. On the field, they look like a bunch of individuals standing around. Nobody seems to know what is going on at all. There is definitely talent out there, like Cromartie and Wilson, but they are making the same mistakes as the rookies. None of them seem to know how to tackle. What is up with that. That is a basic “fundamental” of football.
    At the very minimum, we need a new defensive coordinator as well as someone who can teach these guys what they are supposed to be doing.
    I can kinda understand the offense problems, but there is no excuse for our defense at all!

    What are your thoughts about the defense situation Darren?

  127. By TBru on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    If DA gives us the best chance to win, how come we haven’t won in 7 weeks? DA couldn’t lead a high school team to victory the way he played on MNF. Who cares about best chance to win anymore, give the kids some on the job training, so they might give us a chance to win next year.

  128. By Scott H on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Well, that’s 3 hours of my life that I’ll never be able to get back. One thing is for sure – it’s gonna be a long time before the Cardinals are seen on MNF again! In my opinion, the league has every right to fine the Cardinals for non-performnce. And ESPN probably feels like they should extend aplogies to their viewers. The Cardinals should absolutely make a public apology to their fans and ESPN for the pathetic product they put on the field last night.

    I feel like the past two seasons haven’t even happened and we are right back where we’ve always been. That’s what last night felt like. It felt like the ol’ days when the Cardinals would get the odd prime time appearance and they would spend three hours showing why they are usually never shown in prime time. They were pathetic. They were embarassing. They were a friggin joke. And once again, the whole sports world is laughing at us. Oh, what a feeling!

    News flash…this just in – Derek Anderson? He stinks. He sucks. He is a lousy QB. But I no longer blame him. I blame the idiots – namely coach Whiz – who continue to insist that he gives us the best chance to win and refuse to make the change that so obviously needs to be made. BTW, Derek, nice job at the presser after the game last night. Why don’t you try bringing a little bit of that fire and intensity to your game on the field, big guy? Then, maybe you wouldn’t have to answer the perfectly legitimate questions that were being asked! I applaud that reporter, whoever he was, and I only wich he would question coach Whiz the same way.

    Brian Westbrook??? Seriously??? Are you kidding me??? I didn’t even know he was still alive. Thanks to the Cardinals, he looked like the Brian Westbrook of five years ago. Another news flash…this just in – Marshall Faulk, Emmitt Smith, and Shaun Alexander have all announced that they are coming out of retirement so they can join teams that have the Cardinals remaining on their schedule. Hey, why not tack on a few hundred more yards to the career stats when it’s THAT easy???

    The black uniforms? They really do look great. It’s just a shame they had Cardinals players in them last night. We sure did take a great thing and make it look horrible.

    And now, my sincerst apologies to the fans who were predicting a 4-12 season before it started. I don’t know how you saw this coming, but you did. At the time, I thought you all sounded like idiots who were just diving off the deep end. I thought there was NO WAY 4-12 could happen, even if they had a really bad season. What can I say? You were absolutely right, and you have every right to say I told ya so. We are back to the days of 4-12 ( that’s IF we can actually win another game ) and that’s all there is to it.

  129. By TBru on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    The Leinart issue has been beat to death and I agree with Daren. I will still question Wiz. Wiz, give Skelton a shot!

  130. By Kenny on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I think if Skelton asks to play, he should be given the opportunity since our season is realistically over. Our top draft/trade/free agent pick-up choices will need to be a quarterback and someone(s) that put pressure on an opposing quarterback and can play beside Dockett. I think if we could put pressure on a quarterback we would have the defense we’re capable of(i.e. Saints game).

  131. By Scrapper71 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, Your response to a question was “I still wonder about Skelton, but if he is that far off, it doesn’t really help to throw him in there right now.” C”MON MAN! How far off from what? A QB that can’t move the team down field? A QB that can’t look off his primary reciever? A QB that has lost the faith of 52 other players? A QB that can’t hit a receiver at 1,2,8,10,15,17,20,42,50etc. yds. downfield? A QB that can’t improvise to save his ass? A QB that will never figure out what he’s doing wrong? If Skelton is that far off from this, I’ll gladly wear a turtle shell on my head and recite the alphabet all day long on the practice squad for that pay. What are these rookies? BABIES? The season is over,. At this pathetic point, either dump em’ or play em’!!! The fans deserve it!

  132. By Scott H on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    This is the kind of game that should get someone either fired or demoted. And it just pisses me off that we’re not doing any of it. I hate to say this but coach Whiz looks absolutely pathetic right now. His personnel decisions have been horrible. That’s bad enough. But when he refuses to do anything to change something that is SOOOOO broken right now…he just comes off as stubborn and stupid. That’s how he looked on national TV last night. And I don’t care about him at this point. But I DO care that he is taking me down with him. His defensive coordinator should have been fired by now. He himself should be relieved of his duties as offensive coordiantor. And Derek Anderson should be on the friggin bench. If he isn’t going to fire Bill Davis, then he should be stating publicly that that Davis isn’t to blame – it’s the players who aren’t getting it done. When you are the head coach and your defense is consistently bad to the point of embarrasing, you have to do something. What you cannot do is NOTHING. But that’s what we are getting from our head coach at this point – nothing.

  133. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “I never said you can’t question Whiz, and to be frank, it ticks me off that anyone would have the stones to come on here and bitch about what you can’t complain about when I approve virtually every comment on here. ”

    Darren, I only made that comment/”had the stones to bitch” because you specifically said you weren’t going to post anything anyone wrote re: Leinart going forward… eh… this team really isn’t worth my time or frustration any more this season. I don’t get paid to do this like you do! :)

    But you got one thing right… you probably deserve a medal for covering them, no less dealing with us.

  134. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “Big change is not in the offing – not yet – although Whisenhunt did try to explain his thought process of staying the course, saying it was more about remaining in a proven routine rather than refusal to do anything different.”

    staying the course is about remaining in a proven routine… that has us ROUTINELY DESTROYED BY GOOD OR BAD TEAMS? That is the very definition of insanity.. That and “we don’t want to lose our identity” nonsense. Uh, we lost our identity the second Kurt Warner walked out the door. The fact that Wiz hasn’t come to terms with this hurts my heart.

    The statements in the “Cardinals Hope For Change” article just make me sad. I mean, it’s a coach completely out to lunch. Identity? We want to stay the course? I mean… WHAT AND WHY?!

  135. By Brad Wheeler on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I think Cheesebeef was right, Coach Whiz made that decision so all fans have the right to question it (cutting Leinart), at least until they can rectify the QB situation. But i think he went overboard by insulting Darren, Darren we do appreciate how much freedom you give us with our comments, you rule dude. One scary thing is that if Whiz is still giving DA the start this means he may consider him to start next year!! That is one scary thought.

    Please coach Whiz, I beg you to cut DA!!……and hiring an OC that can playcall would be nice as well :)

    Also, question to other fans, why can’t our OL run block? In my opinion we’ve got better RB’s than some other teams who are lighting it up in the run game, yet we can’t get the rush going, Tim and Beanie are constantly being hit in the backfield, what is going on?

  136. By Andrew on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Wiz said, “I think when you make wholesale changes then you run the risk of losing your identity of who you are.” Losing their identity is exactly what the Cards need to do. Even if certain backups provide less a chance of winning, it accomplishes two things: First, it sends a message to the team that poor play will not be rewarded. Second, it sends a message to the fans that the coaching staff is willing to try to win. Despite what the coach said, repeating the same thing week in and week out is simply not trying. It is not just the record, the team is under performing badly and not even competitive. I would love for an expert to break down some film and look for technique errors, etc. The one where Andersen stared down his receiver and threw the interception, as caught by the MNF crew, is simply unacceptable in the NFL. Personally, I think a whole sale restructuring of the assistant coaches, starting with Russ Grim, is in order. I would encourage the organization to find the guts and dollars to do so sooner rather than later (i.e. before Fitz decides he doesn’t want to be a loser any more).

  137. By tyman on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren

    I agree with you about getting people to stop complaining about some stuff. You do a really great job on this blog and I think it makes all us cards fans happy to be able to voice our opinons. At the end of the day the coaches/GM and ownership are working hard. The 49ers loss was coming. How close were the two games last year and now we have no warner, and no bert berry. People are going to attack DA because we had a chance in the off-season to get somone better. when DA had the pro bowl season graves was interested then. I think its clearly a mistake to think hes the answer. As you know from playing, QB is the hardest possition to evaluate. Fans should back whiz, I’m sure hes got a plan in his head. I just realy hope Graves Whiz and the Bidwells make the right QB move this off-season and that we get some more LB’s and D-line help. Its not all about getting young players either, we need good solid vets to step up at the end of this year and the start of next.

  138. By wayne on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    All I know is that the effort was not there last night on both sides of the ball, I have never seen A-DUB back up from a tackle as I did last night at the goal lne when 49ers scored on a run, our tackling is HORRIBLE. I would be so embarrased if I was a CARDINAL with the way they played on NATIONAL TV. C’MON HAVE SOME FN PRIDE! good luck watching next sunday if you live locally, the sellout streak ends.

  139. By Cert 33 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I just have to put in my 2 cents here. First of all, one of the reasons this team has not seen much success since the 1930′s has always been said among football insiders to be the frugality of the owners. Just think, first they saved 11 million when Warner retired a year early. Then, I believe it was 5 million this year and 7 million next year with Leinart (They would have had to pay some of it if he was traded). There was also a huge savings by not signing Bolden. Anderson is probably getting around 2 million this year and I’ll bet that Max Hall is at the league minimum wage. Don’t be too quick to give Whisenhunt too much credit for the “rise from the ashes” either. Most of that was due to Todd Haley’s play calling and Whisenhunt managed to squeeze an extra year out of it last year, kind of the same way Bill Calahan rode out Jon Gruden’s success in Oakland in 2002.

  140. By NJAzCards Fan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    “Hope and Change”

    Isn’t this what obama promised us??? Now Whiz???
    I sure hope we don’t get the same results that we did with obama…. I have a feeling the results Whiz is promsing us, will be no diffeent from obama’s…… Especially if Whiz insists that DA is still the QB.

  141. By shep on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren – don’t know you, other than following your posts this year. I have been in NYC area since 80′ and the New York press would have eaten up Whisenhunt alive by now.He would be put in his place and humbled real quickly as would all the talk shows. I want to laud you for having this site and listening to peoples frustrations. You seem reasonable and fair minded. I started enjoying the Cards when Stallings coached them, liked Anderson, thought tobin had brought them along, and when plummer and pat tillman came on really enjoyed their progress when they made the playoffs beating Dallas. I was snake bitten as a former college player myself when I saw how parcells threw my favorite player Simms under the bus and benched him for brunner in 83′. Parcells should have and almost lossed his job and you may recall the pathetic monday night game when the giants and cards played one of the worst played games ever.I used to write letters to George Young who I knew about not letting Simms go how Walsh wanted him in the draft and he had all the talent and just needed a Coach to develop him. Point is, I can’t stand when a coach puts his ego and self importance ahead of the development of a proven talent.Parcells finally got it right and it saved his career as did having LT among other players and coached like belichek. Per Leinert he was a great pick in the draft along with Cutler chosen right after him in my opinion. Green to his credit put him in the bears game and he was awesome. Somewhere along the line he was no longer developed and whether it was Haley or Whisenhunt or Bidwell or Graves – someone wanted to show him the door and (I don’t know Leinert from adam) It is just ironic had the lessons of life go whereby know-it-all arrogant Coach who is not truthful kicks qb out week before season starts, and can’t be truthful about his reasons why, and has assinine press conference with Dockett mocking that it would be about Leinert in code. Moral to the story is DEVELOP your players and treat your players and Coaches properly. If Leinert did on the field what Anderson has done…i would have been proven wrong but like many Cardinal fans weighed in about THE GUY NEVER WAS GIVEN A FAIR SHOT.He basically had them beating the Titans last year at tennesse who had tough defense. If Whisenhunt did not want him then fine, cut him in the offseason…the b.s mind games he played which almost brought Leinert to his knees asking for an explanation to his heinous led to his exit. So it is with frustration that the Coach is not taken to task adn maybe learns a lesson or two.

  142. By cardsalltheway on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Vinny Rosato,
    “Not playing skelton can damage him to.”
    You are SO right, I just wish a few hard heads could see the same. Haven’t they seen other rookies succeed numerous times on other teams(the Cards Max Hall doesn’t count)?
    Why is it rookies on other teams play and play well but for whatever reason they either don’t for the Cards or those that do get a chance only do due to CRONYISM?

  143. By Felix Macias on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Can’t stand A stupid ASS Q -B that thinks everything is A Damm joke. PLAY SKELTON AND QUIT SCREWING AROUND WITY THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  144. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Nice to see by the number of comments that Card fans are alive and ticking, not sitting on their hands.
    If Anderson struggles this week(blackout anyone?), wouldn’t be surprised to see Hall back against the Broncos or Panthers.(Face it, Skelton is a younger Derek; physically skilled, but lacking between the ears.)
    As far as Whiz keeping the same routine- what happened to practice in pads like after the New England blowout? Too many injuries already or the team tuning him out?
    Darren, after the Washington preseason game and the losses at home to TB and SF what’s the chances next year of having the alternate jerseys?

  145. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Christian –

    RE: QB draft

    I need to see who is available. Heck, Luck is a junior. Technically, he may not even be in the draft (altho he’d be dumb not to come out. Ask Jake Locker).

  146. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    cardinal city –

    RE: Fitz contract

    He is under contract through 2011.

  147. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    B –

    RE: Fitzpatrick

    No idea what kind of market Fitzpatrick will have. He’s got to reach free agency first. But yes, given the options, I would seriously look at him (in addition to drafting a QB high).

  148. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Artie –

    RE: VY

    First he has to be released. But I don’t see the Cards wanting a high-maintenance guy. One of the knocks on Young is his unwillingness to work extra to improve. That was one of the knocks on Leinart and we know how that turned out.

  149. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    MikeG –

    RE: 3-4 to 4-3

    Changing defenses is something you do in the offseason. Not during the season. Way too complicated.

  150. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Az Fan –

    RE: TEs

    At this point, the passing game isn’t clicking with anyone.

  151. By Christo on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Let’s see some changes NOW. I’ll be here next year and next decade, but others won’t. I know it probably doesn’t help the Win column this year. But you HAVE GOT to send a MESSAGE.

    Bye Bill Davis, you will not be missed! Why are you DC anyway? What track record led us to believe that you were up to snap?

    Whiz you gotta drop the OC duties. You’re losing the team. They won’t play for you. Refresh it up, refocus.

    Bench some of the under performers . . .like DRC, Beanie, Keith, DA, etc

    Season is over fellas. No harm in trying new things. I might even suggest practicing earlier and in pads, Whiz . . 3 Wins is unacceptable for a team with this much talent.

  152. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Cheese –

    RE: You/me

    I’ll give you this: You get mad, but you get through it and you move on. For as long as I have been watching the boards covering this team, you’ve always been passionate — I can’t argue that.

    I understand if you need to take a break about now, but if you need to vent, you know where to find me.

  153. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Cardsall –

    RE: “Cronyism”

    You keep saying this. What the hell are you talking about? If it is Hall, he had zero connections with the coaching staff or the Cardinals before he signed. Do you even know of what you speak?

  154. By Darren Urban on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Andy –

    RE: 2011 Black jerseys

    Let me get through this season first.

  155. By tRiGidY on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Thanks Darren, bet u today was the longest day so far 4u this season!.
    (It Can’t get worst right?? LOL) Think Positive!
    Thanks for all the work u do 4 us fans!! An giving us Fans a site That cares about cards football Good an Bad! Class act on your behalf

    Today was full of Negativity Drive by’s by everyone!! (Not just myself) Trigger (LOL)Thanks for Listening to us Rag on everything Cardinals today! An for being professional in every way! An answering are questions??

    Thank you for letting us fans Vent All Day! The Only an I Mean Only site that would ever let Fans Vent like we have today!! Get some rest u been at it too long today!!

    #1 football Site in the NFL Hands Down!! Thanks 2u Darren! Go Big Red!

  156. By DirtybirD on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren what do you think about the Cardinals QB options next year? 1. Do the Cardinals trade draft picks for Kolb and sign a back up? 2. Do the Cardinals trade up in the draft to get Luck and sign a veteran back up? 3. Do the Cardinals trade a pick for Bulger or sign McNabb or Carson Palmer if released and draft a QB like Mallett or Locker also? What’s your opinion buddy? Maybe you can put a poll up. As we all know the QB situation is the Cardinals #1 priority next year! NO QB, NO FITZ IN 2012!!!

  157. By tRiGidY on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren couple question??

    Million Dollar Question??
    Any chance U can Do some Digging an ask the Deuce What the joke was??? LOL

    Does this mean Kent Somer’s will not be sending DA’ a Gift Basket this year??
    all I can say is Thank god it was not u just doing your job!! An asking that Question

    Or maybe a live Chat with the Deuce doing Comedy??

    Deuce is a funny guy!! I smile all the time just seeing him in that tiny helmet?
    What size is Deuce’s Helmet?? Children’s Size

    Maybe Deuce asked DA’ not to Tweet about him?? (LOL) or Maybe Deuce said can’t wait to go onto Twitter tonight?? (LOL) Thanks Darren!!

  158. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    The black jersey comment was facetious, much like will the Cards have their Protect the Empty Nest campaign next season or the We Do This Pathetic Losing Together motto.

  159. By WNYcardsfan on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I’ll join in with most, THANKS Darren for allowing the posts, it helps to get the stress out for sure, and I am sure you dread this sometimes.

    Your most recent article titled “hoping for change” haven’t you used that title a few times this year already? Sure sounds familiar. Wiz seems smart to me, but he seems, like his team, to be utterly confused on what to do and what to change. I can understand not wanting to do major (ie firing) in mid season, but its almost a must to prove to the fans that you are a leader for the team. When Fitz says “I don’t know what’s wrong but we have to figure it out fast” say what?? This team can’t figure out at least some of their issues? It was on full display Monday night, take your pick. Fitz is awesome, for him to say that, sounds like the team is just utterly confused (and the look it). As I said earlier post, just come out and be on fire, animals, driven. You lose, OK, but play hard. You guys don’t look like you even care to be playing. Hate to see the next game really I do. Anyway to just stop playing the rest of the season to avoid more embarrassment?

  160. By s.a.f.e.securitypowertrips on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    I LOVE Derek Anderson. DA for probowl 2010

    love, 49ers fans

  161. By Yoshi on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Please don’t call for Max Hall. Jesus.

    He may have heart but he played about as bad as i’ve ever seen any quarterback play in the nfl. Ever. We will see Skelton before the season is up, even if it’s just for a little bit at a time. Hold your horses. This team is terrible. Comprehend that, learn it, believe it. But don’t expect the players too, it’s their job to not hang their heads and come back every week with a positive attitude and believe they can win. Do you want Adrian Wilson to apologize to you all? Are you kidding me. He is working as hard as he possibly can. Let’s just focus on the draft, and let the management and coaches do what they do. No one is proud of this. These coaches are extremely sick about this. They care a ton…much more then we do. They are embarrassed and they are trying everything they can to fix it. But you can’t just fire anyone and everyone, you can’t run flea flickers and double reverses because it’s something different, you have to fix the problems by being realistic. Most of you guys aren’t…at all. Ken Whisenhunt has been in or around the NFL since most of you were in diapers or at the very least riding bikes with training wheels. He’s time tested, and you guys are irrational and emotional. I am BEGGING you to think of real ways to discuss the Arizona Cardinals without saying the same crap every week, discuss what can be done logically and realistically, in fairness to the people involved. Talk the football you know, not pretend to know or assume. These are real people just trying to do their job. And they work very very hard. Don’t forget that just because they are failing as a unit this year.

  162. By brian on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren, I feel for you it looks like you are going to be busy the rest of the year dealing with our frustrations. Keep up the good work .

  163. By hebrew on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    To:Darren Urban
    If, ifs and buts were candy and nuts!!!
    I will just digest this season and hope next season tastes better.
    Im still a fan.

  164. By Dre on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Halfway through the season some people said the cardinals have yet to find their identity. The Cards identity is the same as when we had Kurt. We are still a pass happy team with a mere 50% passing QB. Since Whisenhunt has been here he has not changed a thing, no wonder he gets out coached every game.

    I would love to say I told you so (regarding Whisenhunt) but I think the comments made by Tom Gruden and Ron Jaworski during the MNF game was perfect. Where’s all the in “Whis we trust” folks at now.

    I can’t blame the QB because the coach made the decision to bring the guy in and play him. How can you get mad at a QB who is doing what he always has done? You can’t, if anything gets mad at yourself for buying that crap Whisenhunt sold you…oh, and he had a lot to help with the media as well.

    Whisenhunt says

    [“Sometimes those things are misinterpreted when you say you are going to continue to do what you’ve been doing,” Whisenhunt said. “What I mean by that is we are going to prepare like we are going to prepare and we are going to continue to have our expectations for players because that’s what I know works. As far as making changes as far as with players or with schemes, absolutely we will look at that and continue to try and put our guys in the best positions to win.]

    I want to emphasize…“continue to try and put our guys in the best positions to win” this is where Whisenhunt failed. You can’t put your guys in the best position to win with DA throwing 35 to 40 times a game. He’s a 50% passer, I think a small child would understand this. And to make matters worst blame everyone else when things don’t go according to plan. The player lost confidense in the team, mainly by the QB Whisenhunt choose.

    So ask yourself “Who’s the Mack”…you just been hustled.

  165. By jdcrow59 on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Just a thought for Cardinal nation. If things continue on the present path. Why not make history. Why not do something that will be remembered for years. Why not send the ultimate message. Why not use the only tool available to the fans. Why not spend Christmas at home with your families. Just a thought

  166. By Havasu Tom on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Coach Whiz, Lets have some fun. No way D.A. is on the team next year, so lets make it interesting for us CARDINAL FANS, and play the FNG’s(Flippin new guys). It’s time for some development classes on Sunday.

  167. By cheesebeef on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    thanks Darren… I’m just more upset that I’ve lost faith in Wiz. That’s the killer of this season for me. I completely bought in to Wiz, hook, line and sinker. The man has brought us to the brink of the absolute impossible and to see the entire team just fall completely apart two seasons removed from the Super Bowl is mind-boggling… all made worse by his stubborn refusal to correct any kind of mistakes being made.

    I’ve been a die-hard fan since 1988 when my family got season tickets during the inaugural year. My Dad and I ditched out on Yom Kippur to watch us lose to the Cowboys on MNF in season 1 and for some odd reason, I’ve been hooked ever since. I’ve been to every playoff game, driven in for multiple games a year, subjected myself to road butt-kicking and even multiple back surgeries four months earlier couldn’t keep me from pilling my butt up with percocet and flying across the country to get to the Super Bowl. All that seems like A LOOOOOONG time ago and I’m probably most frustrated because I don’t see a way back. Rod Graves has already proved to me through the years he’s got no clue what he’s doing in FA or the draft and Wiz’s decisions now with a lot more power are beyond head-scratching.

    just sad and frustrated Darren. taking it out on you ain’t fair… but you’re kind of the only member of the team who’s listening! sorry!

  168. By CaliCard on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    This season’s over–time to put in the rookies. Anderson has proven he does not give us the best chance to win. We need to find out what we have in Skelton in order to determine if we will draft a QB in the 1st round.

    I can still remember Whisenhunt saying over the Summer that the Cards, “…were a team built for transition.” Yeah right. What a laffer. At least with Denny Green’s team in 2006′s version of the Monday Night Meltdown Leinart and the Cards fought to the end (the offensive line stunk like now however). Last night’s team didn’t even bother to play mentally or physically. What a bunch of quitters.

  169. By cardscat4L on Nov 30, 2010 | Reply

    They need to work on their tackling their “stars” miss way to many tackles. You should get SKELTON in now. the rams played a ROOKIE and they LEAD the DIVISION. If he dont work then you can use the draft. This Year.!!!!

  170. By Jaime Eisner on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Skelton Lovers,

    I love how we have seen about 3 quarters of pre-season play from Skelton and everyone thinks he is the best QB on the team. He could be, but dont act like you know more than the coaches when they practice with him and watch film of him and you watched 3 quarters on ABC15 in August

  171. By disppointed cards fan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I could not be more upset with coach Whiz. All this time I thought he was the answer to us Card’s fans prayers, turns out he is more like Mike D’Antoni than our football savior. D’Antoni was our coach, but there was no denying it was Steve Nash running that team. Now we see Whiz isn’t THAT great of a coach after all, it was Kurt Warner running this team the whole time. Bottom line is changes need to be made, if after a 3-8 start you want to “maintain the course” you are clearly not the man to run this football team.

  172. By Ruben on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Derek Anderson does NOT give the Cardinals their best chance to win. He is throwing into double coverages, over and under throwing receivers, and lacks confindence as a QB. I think that Coach Wisenhunt should start to give Hall and Skelton experience and develop their skills for next season. They cannot to any worse than Anderson, and you are not going to “damage” them. ALL Cardinals fans see that Derek should not start anymore, and I think Coach Wisenhunt’s pride is gettig in his way to make the best decision for the team. His recent choices of releasing Dansby and Rolle were NOT good decisions, and keeping Anderson as a starter just because, “He works hard,” does not mean you have to play him. Come on coach, do the right thing!

  173. By Ruben on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I agree with your blog. Derek Andeson is a “Dud” and is emotionally unstable.

  174. By Cert 33 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    The problem with Hall is not his ability. He is just too small and can’t see the field well at this level. Skelton is an unknown at this point. We definitely don’t need another rookie QB or 2011 will be more of the same. There is no Todd Haley here to teach them the system. Young is a total loser. We need the type of leadership/ role model/ discipline that Kurt Warner provided. If we don’t, we will lose Fitzgerald, who tries to provide that, to free agency. The offensive “machine” left with Todd Haley. Kurt Warner knew Haley’s system well enough to keep it going another year. Now the well is dry. The defense becomes an embarassment every game because they are left on the field for so long from the lack of first downs. People, we only scored two field goals at home against one of the worst teams in pro football! They scored at will on us running a simplified “college type” playbook because they had inexperienced back-ups at QB and RB! We ARE officially the worst team in the NFL now. Derek Andersons post- game press conference was the exclamation point!

  175. By TBru on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I think one of Leinart issues was getting stuck on the bench behind Kurt Warner I think it stunted his growth as a player. They called it grooming, but it was more like rotting. The knock on Skelton is not enough reps and inexperience. The playoffs are out of reach no one is expecting him to save the season, but get him some reps and experience now so he isn’t completely raw next year. Their is a huge difference between sitting behind a Superbowl/HOF QB and a glorified water boy.

  176. By emm7777 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I believe you all know what the definition of INSANITY is. There’s no way Whiz holds the confidence of ANYONE in the locker room anymore.

  177. By jocards on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Time for coach to put them back in pads and have them hit during practice. I mean a message has got to be sent that the sort of effort displayed on Monday night will not be tolerated. Let’s get them back to basics and see who wants to play this game the way it should be played. They look awfully soft out there and it’s getting worse each week. Go hit someone!

  178. By Larry White on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren

    If we have two possible starter in Skelton and Hall and the coach thinks it’s they need more time to develope. Then why doesn’t he try to trade for a better choice. John Grueden pointed out every mistake DA was making over the course of the game. He was predictable plus he was broadcasting his passes. Couldn’t the coach see that also. I really think we need our O and D cordinators upstair so they can see whats happening on the field better. Just all my opinion.

  179. By kauaicardsfan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    Here is a simple example of the situation as a whole:

    For 40 years I have eaten Spam ( I love Spam btw being from Hawaii:) I eat it and know what I get when I eat it.
    Suddenly some one comes with a winning recipe ( formula) and makes me try filet mignon with lobster.
    Than one day we run out of filet mignon but still have the same winning recipe to cook the filet mignon, we still have the lobster as side dishes, but we only have Spam to replace the Steak.
    No matter what you add to it, how you cook it, Spam will always be Spam and cannot replace a Steak.
    Coach Whiz formula is proven, and he has made us taste the filet Mignon but even the greatest chefs(Coaches) in the world, no matter how hard they try will never make Spam be a Filet Mignon.
    The formula works when all of the pieces are in place, bottom line we dont have all the pieces anymore and until we get a QB like warner, we will be back to eating Spam.
    Not the lack of coaching, not the lack of effort, but a lack of talent in the key places. Period

  180. By georgiebird on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    When you talk about the long time needed to change from a 3-4 to a 4-3 something doesn’t does right.
    1) the defense is horrible so changing isn’t going to hurt anything
    2) most of the guys-DD- Gabe-Bryan R, Branch, G. Hayes, Haggans, Porter, Lenon have all played in the 4-3 for many years
    Your comment is basically an indictment of the intelligence of these guys. But I have to agree with you here- it has always seemed to me this was about the dumbest defensive group ever put together and the “lost” DC doesn’t help much.

  181. By georgiebird on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    When you talk about the long time needed to change from a 3-4 to a 4-3 something doesn’t sound right.
    1) the defense is horrible so changing isn’t going to hurt anything
    2) most of the guys-DD- Gabe-Bryan R, Branch, G. Hayes, Haggans, Porter, Lenon have all played in the 4-3 for many years
    Your comment is basically an indictment of the intelligence of these guys. But I have to agree with you here- it has always seemed to me this was about the dumbest defensive group ever put together and the “lost” DC doesn’t help much.

  182. By Jason on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I can absolutely take a losing season to some degree, but having a noticeable lack of intensity or passion for what you do is embarrassing. What bothers me the most, especially being among a fan base of hard working middle class individuals, is the appearance that this team is simply going through the motions and has really seemed to fold up which is completely insulting to people who aren’t afforded this luxury because they don’t live in the disneyland world of entertainment. I do think they have exceptional personnel, but the heart hasn’t been there. I would love to see Skelton because I do think you equally harm a player or anyone for that matter by not providing the experience to build upon.

  183. By cards62 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    We knew this season was over the minute they released Matt Leinart, not that Leinart was the answer we were promised all off season, but because it told us our front office and head coach were clueless. This team has quit on its coaches and fans and is now a total embarassment and being a fan living outside of Arizona all you hear is grief once again.

    If Derek Anderson is your best shot at winning, this season will only get worse and worse. Yes playing John Skelton will only damage him like it damaged Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning, and Sam Bradford. I do not know if Skelton is the answer and he probably is not, but can we at least give him a chance and see plus this will tell us more about what we need to do at QB in the off season.

    Play the young guys. Our front seven are the worse in all of fooball so play the 2 young LBa and Dan Williams a lot more. Williams has not shown me a thing this entire regular season. Play Johnson at saftety and bench AW.
    Feed Beanie the ball 20 to 25 times a game so we can see what we have at RB before the off season.
    Already dreaming of the 2011 season for Whiz and Graves gave us all a nightmare for 2010 and even all of us simple fans knew it, and they did not.

    49ers game – if I was the team owner I would have went into the locker room and fired at least one coach and at least one player.THe worse game I have ever seen a team play in my life. Frank Gore would have ran for over 300 yards if not injured,

  184. By frankie Garza on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Coach Wiz is not making any sence i was very happy when the reporter told him how is doing the same thing going to improve our team. I feel like he keeps going with Anderson because he knows he made a mistake by letting Matt go. All he does is make excuses for everything. I miss coach Hailey about this time atleast he pushed the team and made them perform or they didnt play. Anderson may be trying but we all know he isnt the answer for us he had his chance now its Skeltons turn.

  185. By frankie Garza on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Dear Jaimie

    supposively everyone has been playing great in practice and NO ONE is playing well in the games. So in that case what does practice have to do with anything please tell me ???? Were not skelton lovers were more like change lovers and i think its well past time 4 a change …….

  186. By jocards on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I understand the folks that want to see Skelton given a shot but if the coaching staff that works with him everyday does not believe he is ready to play then he probably isn’t. I shouldn’t need to tell anyone (and probaly don’t need to) that throwing out names like Aikman, Manning and Bradford and trying to draw a paralell between their situations and Skelton’s situation is just not valid. Those guys were all top draft picks out of big football programs not a 5th round choice out of Fordham. They were all far more NFL ready than John Skelton is likely to be. Again, I understand the frustration with watching DA play every week & Max Hall was even worse but we all need to realize that we don’t know anything about Skelton and his readiness. The coaching staff sees & works with him everyday…believe it or not they know more about these things than we do.

  187. By Brian R. on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Like I said in the past…

    Either go for Kolb, or get a QB high in the rounds…

    IF WE GO FOR A QB HIGH IN THE ROUNDS, WE MUST FIRE THE QB COACH.

    Get a new OC and a DC.

    Wish we still had Todd Haley…

  188. By Jeff on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Is it possible that the organization as a whole doesn’t want to see Skelton on the field this year?
    Lets face it, If he tanks like DA and Hall have, Then they they will have no choice but to get a QB next year. But if a QB does not become available to the Cards (at the right price) this offseason. Then they can still go with Skelton without any of knowing just how bad he sucks. Also, this team has a lot of problems besides DA, and I hate to say it but Wiz has been right in the middle of those bad decisions that has led to these problems.

  189. By Peter in Canada on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I feel sorry for Anderson. He is obviously a back up at best and he is being thrown into a situation he can’t handle. On top of that he has to suffer constant humiliation from the press and the fans. At the post game he was badgered once again. The pressure must be enormous and he blows his cool. Under the circumstances who would not do the same.

    I have to agree with the posters who are calling for Skelton. Since Hall and Anderson are not long term prospects Skelton should be activated and brought along. He certainly could have played the last quarter on Monday night. If he is not ready for garbage time right now he will never be ready for prime time. How will he be any better next year because there is no summer league. There is no other place for him to play except with the Cards. Surely his psyche can’t be that fragile?

  190. By ziggy stardust on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    the reaction of the whiz is disappointing. the results will be the same too…. another loss…. more boo’s…. and the resounding sound of fans falling off the band wagon. if whiz is going to pray he needs to remember that when you’re out on the ocean in a leaking boat all the prayer in the word ain’t going to help if you’re not actively involved in rowing to shore….. and whiz if you’re going to only pray and aren’t going to row to shore please make sure derek anderson is on the boat with you.

  191. By Bryan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    I think the biggest issue between the organization and fans is the fact that the fans no longer care about what gives us the best chance to win in 2010. Going 6-10 instead of 3-13 is actually worse.

    The fans care about what gives us the best chance to win in 2011. 2010 is a lost season due to the screw-ups by Whisenhunt and Graves of which they have taken no responsibility for or owned up to.

    Changes that should happen but won’t given its the Cardinals organization.
    Def Cord fired.
    Offensive line coach fired
    Defensive line coach fired
    Derek Anderson and Max Hall released
    Trade for a Orton/Kolb/etc or draft a QB in the 1st round

  192. By Bryan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Also here is a simple solution to the QB situation Darren

    Put in Skelton after this week.

    Run Beanie Wells on 1st and 2nd down, have Skelton throw on 3rd down
    9make the plays fairly simple..screens, etc.

    Occasionally play action on 1st or 2nd down and go deep to Fitzgerald after the first quarter. Change from a pass 60%+ of the time to a run 60%+ of the time.

    Fans will be happy simply because Derek Anderson is no longer in the ball game and maybe Skelton will have one or two good throws a game.

    As long as Skelton doesn’t turn the ball over 3 or more times each game the Cards will be no worse off than they are now offensively. And maybe they learn something about the kid in the process so they know how to proceed in 2011.

  193. By John on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    You may not post this because im supporting a decrease in revenue, but I honestly think the only way for this stubborn coach and management to make changes is going to be much lower ticket sales. I think that after 50 consecutive home sellouts and a taste of the higher revenues, this will hurt them. Is that what its going to take to get this coach to change the same sound byte he has been spewing week after week after week? As a fan it really sucks because you wait what seems like so damn long in the off season for the season to get here, and your so let down by the idiotic decisions of management that it comes to this.

  194. By Brad on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    This problem is the Front Office:

    Sure this has trickled down to the players now, and I’m not sure I can blame them. This organization had momentum, playoffs, superbowl appearance, quality product – because of a quality QB. (Warner) EVERYONE outside the front office knew that Matt was NOT the QB to lead this team or a pop warner team. People talked about this everytime he put on cleats… so for the front office to hang their hat on this and not plan for the retiremnt of Curt – a year early even, shouldn’t matter. They had to have known Matt was not going to work…. if they didn’t (which appears to be the case) they should be fired. The front office management by not securing a replacement for Kurt is to blame. Now they’ve lost their team, the momentum and now Larry (potentially) over the issue of him not having a QB to feed him the ball. Considering contracts are based upon performance – (usually) I’d leave also if I were Larry…. my numbers go down because management didn’t properly plan on a replacement qb, then my contract offers go down. FIRE THE ONES IN CHARGE OF THAT SINGLE DECISION TO HANG THEIR HAT ON MATT AS QB. It’s really that simple. No severance pay! Done! The amount of money, fan base and good players they’ll lose over this is ground for a public hanging.

    Disgusted w/ Cards front office

  195. By Jaime Eisner on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    @frankie

    “supposively everyone has been playing great in practice and NO ONE is playing well in the games. So in that case what does practice have to do with anything please tell me”

    Maybe other teams practice great as well. What does practice have to do with anything? Obviously you have never played ir coached football. I agree with you on the fact that D.A. cant play dead but there is a reason he is the inactive/3rd QB on the roster its not by ennie-miney-mo. Like I said in the aftermath comment section ir is quite possible that Anderason does give us the best chance to win, but he is not and we need to start the BEST QB we got behind him. That was determined to be Max Hall. Yes Skelton had a very nice preseason game 1 comeback but Max Hall beat the Saints. None of these guys are good enough to start in the NFL but we have to start one of them. Hall has won an NFL game, looked just as good in pre-season and better in Camp than Skelton . Skelton is from a small school and it takes time to adjust to the nfl. People bring up Bradford or Manning but they went to Oklahoma and Tennessee not Fordham

  196. By Jeff on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Obviously we will need a QB at the end of the season. If we only win 3 games this year it will hopefully give us the ability to be near the top of the draft and land an experienced QB. I would rather see that than to get one out of the draft. We have no one to Mentor a good college prospect. Kolb would be awesome

  197. By George on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    “It’s the same old song”
    Wow, has times changed, or been put back to the way they were. The QB is a problem everyone can easily see that, but we have issues all over the field. Here is a list…
    QB
    Offensive Line
    Corners
    Safeties
    Believe me I know we need a new QB and coach Wiz is just being WAY to stubborn by saying “Our best chance of winning is with DA.” What are we going to win? The NFC, NO! The west, NO! A Wild card spot, NO! So PLEASE tell me what we are going to win. Well there is always the 17 through 20th spot in the draft. YIP EEEE!
    Let me tell you who needs to go…
    (But NEVER will because he is the Bidwell’s YES BOY!!!!!) Rod Graves
    So we are on the way down back to where we’ve always been. It was a great ride to the top. Don’t worry the QB’s, the coach, the trainers, hell the whole staff will be gone in just a few years. Who will be left after all the bandwagon people fall off?
    A few close 7000 friends of mine that were there before when we sucked, because..
    “Oh no, we suck again”

  198. By Randy on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Darren -
    Can we afford to draft Luck in the first round (if in that situation) and extend Fitz?

  199. By Chuck 1 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I’ve read a lot of good comments on the last two blogs from fans regarding the sad state of the Cards season because of the poor performance of the owners, GM, coaches and players.

    IT’S TIME FOR ALL OF YOU FANS WHO WANT CHANGES TO GO TO THE FAN FEEDBACK LINK
    (http://www.azcardinals.com/footer/fan-feedback.html )THAT DARREN HAS PROVIDED AND “SPEAK” TO THE ORGANIZATION RATHER THAN TO DARREN.

    OTHERWISE, THE OWNERS, GM COACHES AND SCOUTING STAFF DON’T GET YOUR INPUT DIRECTLY.

  200. By MPD_Murray on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    First of all, everyone needs to quit blaming Anderson. Is Anderson on the field when the other teams score the points? Hard work should’ve been put in to keep Dansby and McFadden. And all this talk of “drafting” a QB….a waste. Look at Leinart. If he was so good, why is he holding a clipboard in Texas? Max is bout as good as Pat White is in Miami. A lucky game or two, then done. If Anderson can’t get turned around this season and show that he’s ready to lead the offense, then get a VETERAN next season, someone that has something to prove. Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Fitzpatrick….even Jake Plummer would come back for the right price and the payoff to Tampa. Secondly, if you REALLY think the QB position is the problem, put Early Doucet in ass QB for the rest of the season. No joke.

  201. By CaliCard on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Bryan,

    U da man!

  202. By MattyS on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Been a rough year but i’m still supporting the red birds. Team needs my support now more than ever.

  203. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Randy –

    RE: Fitz/Luck

    Yes.

    I’m not sure where the questions come from on “affording” a QB in the first round. Whomever the Cards draft with their No. 1 pick will get essentially the same contract, QB or no.

  204. By Chuck 1 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I believe that the main reason that Whiz (and Graves) don’t want Skelton to play this year is because it would expose his lack of ability and the organization’s terrible decision in drafting him.

    I don’t believe that he will survive 2011′s training camp. He WILL be cut.

  205. By JR Smith on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    As a long time fan, frequently at home games to support the team, and having never posted here before…I would like to make a suggestion that perhaps it is appropriate at this point in the “season” to pull Anderson and let Max Hall get some playing time. If it doesn’t work out, we’ll get a decent draft pick. If it does work out, maybe we’ve found our QB of the future.

  206. By buffed fan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    as a long time cards fan since they came to the valley as the phx cardinals being spoiled last few yrs anderson is by far the worst qb to suit up for the cards probaly in the league whiz wont play skelton so he wont show the mistake he made starting da hall is far from playing in this league skelton is a big mobile qb it showed in preseason we’re not making playoffs so why not play him see what he can do look how many rookie qbs have started in last few yrs and learning how to play at this level anderson never will be ever to play at this level it shows we will lose fitz for sure if we dont get a franchise qb we dont need a vet we need a young qb and a o-line they suck as well rbs cant run behind them just finish yr on a 13gm losing streak and try to get #1 pk lot of good qbs coming out this yr cam newton would look awesome in red bottom line front office made a mistake this yr handeling qb situation hire wade phillips as dc bill davis ruined defense clancy was way better cant wait till this joke of a season is over looks like the same old cardinals they are who we thought they are crown these bums

  207. By Scott H on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Jamie -

    Your point shows that you really don’t get what we are so frustrated about. There’s nothing complicated about this, but let me explain it one more time – no, we don’t know if Skelton is the best QB on the team. You’re right. WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SKELTON AND THAT’S THE FRIGGIN POINT!!!. We don’t know anything about skelton because he’s being denied a chance to play because the coach would rather stick with Anderson. Whiz says Anderson gives us the best chance to win…meanwhile, we’ve LOST 6 in a row. Sorry, coach, but you’re starting to look and sound like an idiot at this point. How does anyone point to a guy who has been the QB for 6 consecutive losses and say he gives us the best chance to win??? It boggles the mind, it really does.

    Anyway, you can’t tell us that Skelton is NOT the best QB on the team any more than I can tell you that he IS the best QB on the team. We don’t know and THAT is what is pissing us off!!! We don’t know and we won’t know until the man gets a chance to play. And the man ain’t gonna get a chance to play because the coach is denying him the opportunity. Until we KNOW that Skelton isnt a better option, Whiz has no basis in fact for his riduculous claim that Anderson gives this team the best chance to win. Let me be the first to say this – In Whiz I DO NOT Trust. Not anymore.

  208. By Dylan on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Chuck-

    you do know that brady was drafted the same round as skelton… just because he was drafted late doesn make him bad you haven even seen him step a foot on the feild so i wouldn just jump to a conclusion dude

  209. By TBru on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Whizenhunt is wrong. We don’t want to see them win anymore, they need to lose so have a shot at Andrew Luck!

    maybe that is why he is staying with DA lol

  210. By frankie Garza on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    I feel like the problem starts with the coach.

    Let Mcfadden go for free !!!
    Got rid of offensive linemen for free!!!
    Horrible draft pics !!!
    Horrible predictable offensive plays !!!
    A defense That Does not work for us not alone letting defensive players go 4 free!!!
    Making excuses for everything !!!
    Bad desisions all across the board i could go on all day its just unbearable !!!

    But as a true ARIZONA CARDINAL fan all i can do if bear with it and hope something happens soon ……..

  211. By Richard S. on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    We need an OC. Hire Norm Chow.

  212. By SeeingRed on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Whiz “gets it”.

  213. By reap37 on Dec 1, 2010 | Reply

    Just for fun, I DVR all the Ken Whisenhunt shows. I took a look at all of them today. The shocking thing is that one cannot tell the difference between the 1st show and the last show. He says the same thing everytime. Get serious and face the problems this team has and do something about it. It looks lie you’ve lost the team. Soon you’ll have no fans.

  214. By Cert 33 on Dec 2, 2010 | Reply

    Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell! Are you kidding me. Yeah, now there are two leaders for ya. Lead the team down the toilet! Didn’t Kurt and Fitz show you what true leadership and ability really is. Cmon man!

  215. By cahongisto on Dec 2, 2010 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    So man on a different topic that I think ultimately is more important long term for our team. What are the players saying about a possible work stopage for next season? I know they are fighting for long term care and alot of important things for themselves which makes sense when you consider the job they are performing and the hazards it puts the body through. But I mean are there players mad at the players union because they could potentially miss out on a years worth of playing time?

  216. By Darren Urban on Dec 2, 2010 | Reply

    Cahongisto –

    RE: Work stoppage

    I wouldn’t say mad. They are concerned there won’t be football, but at the same time, they understand their union’s (and ultimately their own) position of trying not to give back what they have already previously bargained. Missing games is a concern for everyone: Players, coaches, owners … me.

  217. By marco hernandez on Dec 2, 2010 | Reply

    I somewhat understand giving Skelton a full year in the system, however it is painful watching DA. Anderson has no future with this team, why waste quality game experience on him. At least let Max play. He will give it his all, and wants to play and win. He is a might undersized but seems to have more heart than even BYU fans knew he had. Along with that we can see if he has the talent to occupy
    a roster spot in the future. He may not be a future star on this team but may prove to be an affordable and capable back up

  218. By thespiansoldier on Dec 3, 2010 | Reply

    This is hard to watch, especially after watching a tough hard playing team march to the Superbowl 2 years ago, and give the Steelers everthing they could handle. Along with the loss of Kurt Warner, we seriously depleted our Defense this year, losing key players like Rolle and Wilson. Also, the loss of Anquan Boldin was a huge mistake. you don’t trade a top of the line receiver, especially when we didn’t get much for him.
    Then there’s the QB situation. I think Anderson is a solid QB, and I think he can win games, but remember that the main reason we did so well the last couple of years is because we had a gun-slinger in the pocket. It was flat out DANGEROUS to blitz Kurt Warner, cause he’d just pick you apart. Anderson and Hall are not those kinds of QBs. So we are trying to become something we have NEVER been, a run first Offense. That’s going to take time, and it;s going to take better personnel.

    We need a new D line, and we need a better O-line, along with a much better special teams.

    I saw a comment from AZCARDSFAN that said “worst Cardinals team ever to step on the field”. That’s so inaccurate, I laughed at it when I read it. Obviously this was written out of anger and frustration; either that or you have only been a Cards fan for 3 years. This team was ABYSMAL before Whizenhunt. Just the fact that we expect more is a testament to what he’s done for us.

    I support Whiz fully, and say bravo for being so candid. Keep driving, Cards, we’ll get back there!

  219. By MPD_Murray on Dec 3, 2010 | Reply

    @Cert 33,

    Yeah, Warner showed leadership, then he traded all that in for tap dancing shoes, and a job in the booth. He can’t play no more-yet he can dance and go to the games and critique people on how they play. And he’s also the “Quitter on Twitter” trying to bring sunshine to the lives of butterfingered wide receivers. If Fitzgerald is THE LEADER now, why aren’t most of the passes thrown to him, and why isn’t he going the extra mile with what passes ARE thrown to him like he did the previous two years? Besides, he’s gonna leave after this season anyway…another quitter. You think I’m nuts mentioning Young and Russell. Watch and see what happens. Using a draft pick for a QB is a waste. Draft DL’s, RG’s, LG’s, Safeties, etc. Drafting a QB is gonna be Max Hall all over again. The bigger question is, why leave decent QB’s like Rattay, Palko, and St. Pierre go? We’re not gonna go anywhere with a rookie QB. The best thing for us is to get a disgruntled vet with something to prove.

  220. By thespiansoldier on Dec 3, 2010 | Reply

    Are you serious?? Warner a quitter? Kurt Warner was the guy that led us somewhere that, if you know football at all you know, we had no place being, the SUPERBOWL!! This guy came in to back up a Rookie QB, and EARNED his spot! After several years in QB limbo, he came to a team with a history of losing, and nothing in it’s background to be proud of, and he turned us into a high powered Offense every other team in the NFL feared!

    And Fitz? If he goes to another team, it will rip my guts out, but if he does, can you blame him? This guy is definitely the best receiver the Cardinal franchise has ever had, and probably one of the best in the league, period, and he deserves a ring on his finger. For Fitz, the bottom line is that he is NOT getting the ball enough. I will agree with you there. That ball should be going to him every chance we get. Especially in the red zone. Just put it up, who’s going to out jump Larry Fitzgerald?? Answer, no one. Throw it up. It’s the reason we lost the Superbowl in my opinion, and we have not used him as the weapon he is. Put him in the corner of the end zone, and throw it up!!!

    But as far as them being quitters, the didn’t quit when we were 8 and 8 going to the playoffs, they didn’t quit when everyone said the Cardinals had no chance over and over, and Kurt didn’t quit. He retired. It was his choice, he’d done everything we asked of him and more, and done it all in his career, and he deserves his retirement.

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