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Skelton vs. Bartel for now

Posted by Darren Urban on December 7, 2010 – 2:21 pm

For those waiting for an official starting quarterback announcement, it isn’t coming today. The situation is this: Derek Anderson has yet to pass all his concussion tests and thus has not been cleared to practice. He will be evaluated again Wednesday. Because of that, John Skelton said he and Richard Bartel will compete for the vacant starting job (and yes, I’d think Skelton would get it, simply because he has been around all season). Even if Anderson was healthy, I’m not 100 percent sure he would still be in the mix for now, but since he is hurt, it’s impossible to tell where he stands.

I know Skelton feels confident. This morning, before he took part in the Cards’ annual “Teddy Bear Express” at St. Joseph’s Hospital (story in a bit), he said his parents were flying in for Sunday’s game. You don’t do that to watch your son sit on the bench.


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76 Responses to “Skelton vs. Bartel for now”

  1. By Money on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren
    Who is the emergency quarterback if Anderson can’t play for medical reasons?

  2. By SierraVistaNick on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Fingers are crossed…Got your back Skelton! I find it hard to believe that some one from outside could possibly win a starting job not knowing the plays or language of the offense.

    I think this is one of Whiz’s “tricks” to get Skelton to prepare even harder than he already would have.

    What do you think Darren?

  3. By Jesse Robles on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Im not saying Skelton is the “answer” by any means, nice to see what we have before the draft though.

  4. By justice on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Good or bad, I am ready to see Skelton plays. We’re 3-9, we are not going to make the playoff period. From a fan’s perspective, I would like to see Skelton in action. He can be captain checkdown for all I care as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over. Good luck Skelton..

  5. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Money —

    RE: Emergency QB

    Good question. I would figure Doucet or Breaston.

  6. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Sierra —

    RE: “tricks”

    Hard to call it a trick when Whisenhunt has been on record as saying Skelton isn’t ready. I think Skelton starts, though.

  7. By SierraVistaNick on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    DOCKETT!

  8. By Dan Crowell on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren, what do you think will happen if say Skelton performs exceptionally well and the Cards get a few wins. Do they still draft a high profile Q back as I’m sure where they’re picking, one will be available? I know Newton will probably be gone, but maybe Mallet? Just a thought

  9. By Nikko on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-
    Is it just me or does it seem DA has been playing with concussion like symptoms for the past several years? lmfao, DA is garbage!!

  10. By gang6230 on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    if Skelton starts that would really give hope for this struggling offense, thats the best chance the team has right now. i do believe that there are changes coming in the offseason but i think the priority of this team is to get a win. why not Skelton
    he was a local hero here in this city where hes from El Paso TX, during his high school years as a qb i was told the kid has talent and resiliency. his mother is very proud of him, she was my son’s jr high school teacher. ill be joining all you fans in arizona on the dallas game on the 25th my family and i will be there. i’ve always been and will always be a Cardinal fan. Go Cards

  11. By darrel on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren did kw have a say in drafting Big ben in pittsburg

  12. By sean p on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Well…I will put money on Skelton not starting, just seems to be how Whis has been running things this year, I will be shocked if Skelton starts, looking forward to Bartel being squished all game. Oh well, guess it really doesn’t matter. Saw a thing on Ktar site saying that even if Skelton does start the last few games and tears it up, that you still draft a qb first round, seemed kinda ridiculous to me. Oh well, best for whoever goes out there.

    But I’m calling it now, Bartel will start over Skelton, and if I’m wrong, I will be very very very very happy.

  13. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darrel —

    RE: Whiz/Ben draft

    No idea.

  14. By joe on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Skelton should play, lock in the #2 spot for next season and a 1st round pick of Cam Newton, get him a commited line and pay those receivers well. New D coordinator and a O coordinator. Get this D some cardio, little less weight on the line and a little more on the secondary. I will be looking forward to draft day now, the games are weak and borring this year and with less then a month left of games, next season is all im interested in now. No season tickets next year for me, i’ll play it week by week if i buy some tickets, cant do another crumby home game playing again, waste of money leaving at halftime/3Q, not due to the score but the performance/effort. Sure i saw some players exhibit that but collectively the team lacked passion and it showed from the seats and the couch but somehow it faded away at field level and they could not see themselfs. Only explanation to pretty much all the games except NO being a loss this year, I see cards really having a 1-11 record at this time. My last comment this season, its been horriable and a flashback to the 2000 season. Thanks Darren, till next season.

  15. By Pheenic Cromartie on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,

    Do you think the way John Skelton plays for the remainder of the season will affect whether or not we draft a QB in the 1st Round in the coming draft?

    Just my opinion, if this was earlier in the season, I would be really excited to see John Skelton start and play, because back then, we had Playoff hopes. But now that we’re out of the Playoffs, I’m not as excited to have John Skelton start as I would have been. Yes, I’m happy that he’s starting, but if this decision had been made right when the losing streak started to unfold, thing’s would’ve been a lot different.

    Looking forward to who starts, though.

  16. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Pheenic —

    RE: Skelton/draft

    No, I don’t think it would affect that choice. Unless Skelton plays like Brady or Rodgers of 2010 in these next four games.

  17. By Jahstone on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren-

    Are the Cardinals holding open tryouts for QB right now?

    Regardless…GO CARDS!!!!!

  18. By Scott H on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Well, maybe we don’t know where Anderson stands right at the moment but I know where I hope he’ll be standing on Sunday – on the sidelines holding a clipboard. It is utterly and totally inconceivable to me that he would start another game for the Cardinals this year. But given the decisions that Whiz is making these days…that is what I fear.

  19. By Big Red on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    i’m with you John Skelton good luck and may God be with you. Del Chuco you’ll do fine, enjoy and have fun. Kick some bass.

  20. By cardsalltheway on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    “I’d think Skelton would get it, simply because he has been around all season).”
    Gosh, I certainly hope so! How you’d even consider for a moment that Bartel might start is beyond me.
    Ken W. just might find a way to burn through 5 QB’s in one season. I don’t think it’s “impossible” to know where D. Anderson stands. If Ken W. were to start D. Anderson does anyone really believe the team would still “rally” behind him? Derek is a downer!
    Darren
    Sierra –
    RE: “tricks”
    “Hard to call it a trick when Whisenhunt has been on record as saying Skelton isn’t ready. I think Skelton starts, though.”
    Darren, Sierra can still call it a “trick” if she wants, just think about it for a moment.
    Showing no confidence in John Skelton by saying what he has about his starting QB/John Skelton is an obvious “trick”/coaching philosophy or an irrational statement — Call it what you want but I’d choose the later.

  21. By Brian H on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    It seems like KW is afraid to admit he was wrong by going with DA, own up to your bad choice and lets move on. I’m already looking to next year, we need to do better.

    IMHO Skelton should get the rest fo the season to gain some experience and work on his game, how much worse can it get.

  22. By Chris C on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    I’ve been saying it most of the season that the Cards need to put Skelton in and see if there is any luck with him because his performance in pre-season was promising. So i’d love to see how Skelton will do as a starter just wish they would have put him in mid season……… GO CARDINALS

  23. By Utah Card on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    No way, no how, would I be willing to bet money on who King Whiz will start.

    I WOULD be willing to bet money that regardless of which inexperienced QB starts, King Whiz will STILL rush the ball fewer than 20 times during the game, thereby putting needless additional pressure on that inexperienced QB.

    Unless, of course, King Whiz reads this, and then he’ll have to prove me wrong.

  24. By blake on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Damn i wish we still had Q as it would have been nice to see him get a crack at playing quarterback this season :)

  25. By CZarr on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    He played well in one game, however he threw only 6 passes against 2nd and 3rd stringers. His next preseason performance against the Bears was the antithesis of his first. He was 3rd on the depth chart behind an undrafted free agent for a reason. It is scary that he is our only option. Don’t get me wrong, obviously we support him, but we couldn’t be in a worse situation right now.

    If you’ve been saying Skelton needed to be subbed in at any point prior to this (and a lot of people have), you’re a loon. Coach has an obligation to play whoever gives this team the best chance to win. He can’t pull a quarterback based on a “feeling” or fan speculation. He assimilates actual data, unlike what couch quarterbacks do, and applies that to his decision making process.
    This unfortunately makes him subject to an egregious amount of second guessing and whining throughout the fan base, especially when a fan base has been as polarized as this one over the quarterback situation.

    Seemingly that has been a little off this year, but the quarterback position isn’t the team’s only problem. I guess my point is the same as my last post. Whiz’s football brain > yours.

  26. By Darthcard on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Yes John Skelton will start and he should be ok. I’ve been dying to see him since the bucs game. I just hope the fans are patient. John has all the tools he just needs time and help from some friends. I wish hall and Anderson well. Even though thing did not work out we all should know the gave their best. Patience cardinal fans. Patience.

  27. By Stuck In Texas on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    I was happy to see Max start and I hoped for the best.Now its Skelton’s turn and i cant wait.I’m looking forward to waching a game again.I dont see how we could do any wors.The problem with this team starts with those tight — owners I hoped jr would be different but it appears NOT!

    Darren did i read somewhere that the bidwels dont go to the games?

  28. By Mark on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    I was just looking at the teams who have a worse or the same record than the cardinals which are the lions, bengals, bills, broncos, and panthers all of which have decent quarterbacks (when healthy, lions). Except the panthers but i don’t think they would draft another quarterback after drafting jimmy clausen in the second round last year unless they have no faith at all in any of their quartebacks. But realisticly thinking about the draft we could have first pick at any quarterback coming into the nfl next season.

    Any thoughts on this Darren?

  29. By cardscat4L on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Put in Skelton Whiz!

  30. By TucsonTim on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Can’t sell my tickets for 1/2 face value. Friends politely decline offers (trust me, I have great seats) and if Anderson starts I’ll just stay home. If Skelton starts, I’ll make the 2 hr drive to see how the kid does. I pray Brown doesn’t get him killed with a blind side sac

  31. By laird on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    d.a. is too eratic and tries to rip the hands off of recievers.let skelton get some experience now. this season is gone anyway!

  32. By brian on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Hey darren is true we have the 27th lowest payroll? If so what happened to the Bidwells telling everyone if only we had a new stadium then we could compete do to more revenue. Thats just great if it’s true, way to lie so you can get even more wealthy on the backs of working class. How do stand against this crap, they have sold out every game in the new stadium. This looks like they got lucky with the superbowl run and are now soaking up the gravy Warner left behind. Just becuase you handout food on holidays and get your face in the papper for public image does not make you good people.

  33. By Paul on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Dave Wannstedt resigned at Pitt today. Would look pretty good as a DC for a certain team we follow. Just saying.

  34. By georgiebird on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Whiz is not the smart, decisive HC I thought we were getting.
    1) This year, his 1st blunder was clogging up the roster with two long shot QBs.. He should have chosen one and moved on
    2) now he’s treating Skelton as if he was a #1 draft choice- so worried about the timing of his 1st start. If Skelton has a setback, life goes on. (Brady could have been hurt in the blowout last night, playing up to the very end)
    It’s time to play Skelton- , the chances of him ever being productive are still remote. Whiz is suffering from paranoia If Warner had ever won that SB, Whiz’ arrogance would have matched guys like Parcells and Shanahan and he would be an even more impossible guy to deal with.
    Give Skelton the job- give him your support-don’t relegate him into a battle with a 4 day FA who has never thrown an NFL pass. It’s time to be decisive and let the chips fall where they may. It’s also time to grow-up.

  35. By Peter in Canada on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Of course Skelton starts. If Bartel, who has not had a practice, has not played in a regular season game gets the start then that would do more harm to Skelton’s mindset than anything the opposition could possibly do. Go Skelton’ do well, seal a spot for next season as #2 and we can either draft or pick up a free agent but not a DA-type free agent.

  36. By brad oneill on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    as a fan I know i would be a lot happier losing every game left with skelton than watching derek eke out a win or two. its about the future and I am afraid Derek has little or no chance of being part of it except maybe as a back up and that is a big maybe.

  37. By Chris on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Skeleton did one thing the rest of the team couldn’t, that was convert on a third down. He did it on his first pass as well. Give him a chance Whiz!!

  38. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Drafting a QB

    I would say the Panthers take Luck. Bengals, Bills also. Broncos could depending on new staff, since Tebow was McDaniels’ guy.

  39. By Darren Urban on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Stuck —

    RE: Bidwills

    Yes they are at the games.

  40. By AndyStandsUp on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    As far as the emergency QB, Breaston would be the wise choice, but Kerry Rhodes signed as a signal caller to Louisville out of high school.

  41. By TBru on Dec 7, 2010 | Reply

    Ok I know someones long term health is more important than a 3-9 football team, but I have to wonder if DA would be better playing with a concussion.

    He couldn’t be worse, (Could he?)

  42. By Chuck 1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    I find it significant that Josh McDaniel was fired for three reasons (according to the morning paper):
    #1 A video taping event
    #2 Poor personnel decisions, and
    #3 Poor win/loss record

    What does Josh have in common with Whiz? #2 and #3
    I predict that, if Graves and Whiz don’t make better personnel decisions regarding the 2011 draft and Free Agent signings and at this point in the 2011 season the Cards record is close to what it is this year, it’ll be “BYE BYE, WHIZ” (if not during the season, immediately after the season ends).

    It is absolutely essential that Graves and Whiz get their heads out of their XXXs regarding personnel decisions if the Cards are to reverse the downward spiral.

  43. By Andrew Luck Fan on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Looking for comments on how to fix the cards for next year. These are my suggestions. What does everyone think of these

    First Quaterback:
    Option one: Sign pending free agent Qb Kyle Orton, I know some will laugh at this but the guy is good. He is smart, tough and accurate at this point in his career, and has had a great season for a crappy Broncos team that have less talent at wide receiver than the cards. 2009 21 tds 12 ints 3800 yards passing 2010 20 tds 6 ints 3400 yards so far. He wont cost any draft picks and he is only 28, but he is looking for a long term deal so the cards would have to fork out some money. Signing Orton will more likley will keep Fitz around since what he has done for Brandon Lloyds career.
    Option two: Draft Andrew Luck if possible
    Option three trade for Kevin Kolb
    Defense; Go back to the 4-3 The cards talent is at defensive line but cant show it with the 3-4 def. Hey Whiz you know we dont have James Harrison on our team right. , Defensive line starters Docket, Branch Williams Campbell, linebackers Washington Lenon Adrian Wilson, Yes Wilson at Linebacker great tackler and pass rusher but he cant cover a toliet seat . Corners DRC and drafted or acquried player. Safties Rhodes and Toler. Oh and Fire Bill Davis he stinks and dump tired linebackers Haggans and Porter. Draft another cover corner such as arizona product Prince Amukamara and move good tackler Toler to safety as they did with Antrel Rolle
    Offensive line: Draft a new Offensive tackle early such as Derrek Sherrod or Anthony Castanzo because Levi Brown is not that good. Maybe sign a decent free agent linemen if possible and give Faneca the boot.
    Of course the cards wont get both of these drafted players but I would draft O line and cornerback early. And Whiz next year start your best and most talented players, The Patriots start alot of rookies and look at them.
    Next Bidwells open you pocketbook and sign some good players and not Kmart blue light specials like Porter Derek Anderson and Faneca. Yuck.

    Darren can you please give this to Whiz/Graves for next year so we can start winning some games..just kidding

  44. By cardsalltheway on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    “Maybe it’s because Skelton still isn’t ready – which the coaches have maintained for the entire season – and maybe they see the way Hall was batted around during his playing time and don’t want the same for Skelton.”

    Ken W. and the coaching staff has had many months to prepare John Skelton to play, if they are too inept in their duties to do so maybe the Cardinal organization ought to find someone who IS able to prepare players to do their job. And, how exactly does Ken W. prepare QB’s to get “batted around?” Is his method similar to other coaches?

  45. By cardsalltheway on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    I’m going with the Cardinal defense this week and I’m starting Beanie on my fantasy football team(It’s my last week, I didn’t make the playoffs but I’ve got a better record than Ken W.) Last week I took the Ram defense against the Cardinals and scored 15 points which helped me knock off a first place team:)

  46. By tRiGiDy on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Draft 1. A.Luck 2. AJ.Green! 3. Prince

    If we can get one of these three players????

    Let’s go BigRed! Lets go Skelton!

    I always thought that DA’ gave us the best chance to Win (On the Bench)

    I Hope they Hide DA’s Helmet, What day is Trash Day in Tempe??

  47. By Magee on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    The Cardinals have some of the best recievers in football. Lets see if Mr. Skelton can throw the ball close enough to one of them on a regular basis so they have a chance to catch it. That seems to be an ongoing problem Anderson, people in the stands are closer to some of the balls he throws than our recievers.

  48. By Chuck 1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Well, apparently my post didn’t pass the politically correct moderation test, so I’ll try again.

    According to my morning paper, Josh McDaniels was fired by the Broncos for three reasons;
    #1 (inappropriate?) video recordings
    #2 bad personnel decisions
    #3 bad win/loss record

    What do McDaniels and Whiz have in common? #2 and #3

    I predict that, if Graves and Whiz don’t make much better personnel decisions during the draft and Free Agent signing period (and in selection of coaches) and the Card’s record isn’t much better in 2011 at this time of the season, it’ll be “BYE BYE, WHIZ” either during the season or at the end of it.

    The Cards will not improve if Whiz continues to use the AFC Central as his source of players and Graves and he continue to draft small school players who aren’t as talented as major conference players.

    When the TV networks introduce the starting lineups as the games start, notice the schools that the players came from. The vast majority are from major programs.

  49. By cards62 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren if the Broncos take a QB I will gladly take Kyle Orton. I think the Cardinals win the division with Orton at QB this year or next year with different OC and DC..

    If we go back to doing things right again in 2011 which I pray we will. Skelton will be the only quarterback from 2010 also on our 2011 team so of course he plays, but I just hope we run the ball a lot and play action pass with him to set Big John Skelton up for success.

    I do not think we win any games except maybe Carolina or if other teams tank games on puirpose for their own draft status so I will be patient with Big John because this is not his fault nor was it Anderson or Max Hall’s fault but I was sick of Anderson before he took his frist snap in Cardinal Red, and Max Hall is not even close to being an NFL QB. Go Big John lift up your teammates.
    Steve

  50. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Chuck —

    RE: Post approval

    Everyone needs to settle down if their post doesn’t get approved right away. Amazingly, I try to have a life outside my job. Constantly monitoring the comments isn’t my only goal in life.

    I had posted your previous comment before you put up this recent one.

  51. By Tom Bush on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    You should recommend to the Cardinals brass that there be a contest for “GM-2011″ since there are so many experts who post on this site and every blog/article regarding the Cardinals. Ha, yes, I am one of them. The one thing that I haven’t heard mentioned was when we were signing players, was there any consideration for the potential loss of season in 2011 due to a lockout? It seems Faneca, Porter, DA were all rented players for one year.
    Tom

  52. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Tom —

    RE: Lockout consideration

    I do think that factored in to not only some choices by the Cards, but around the league.

  53. By georgiebird on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    The Cardinals may not get a top QB in the draft. The NFL is now a QB league and other teams not on anyone’s radar can trade up and take a QB. So the Cards may not get any of the top 3 QB’s . The Cards may get an excellent non-QB but what good will it do.
    The draft question is- “What will the Cardinals do to get the #1 or #2 draft choice via a trade. That means Fitz, Beanie and a few others would have to go. That’s being realistic. Of course losing all the remaining games will help.

  54. By Tarl Sampson on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    FANS>>>? I think all the ANGRY fans need to jump back on the NEGATIVE comments on coach Whiz. He is by far our best coach ever, he is just missing a few tools in his box. If you have followed our Cardiac Cards for the past decade you know this to be true. Its ok to state your opinioin, but do it in a tactful manner without the name calling. We have many good fans, but some of you guys sound like uneducated zealots…. Patience and Fortitude…..

  55. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: Draft trade

    I disagree that teams just jump up automatically. And I disagree on the trade implications themselves. Most teams want draft picks in return, not players. (And Fitz will not be traded. He’s got a no-trade clause to begin with, and he wouldn’t waive it to go to a team that would hold a high pick and be a bad team. Besides, this team is not dumping him).

  56. By Patrick on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Well, I think that with John Skelton taking over we might see a slight improvement from Derek Anderson, but he’s really going to have to work hard to keep this position. Cardinals might still draft a QB next year, but Skelton has the chance to take us out of a high draft pick which I hope he does, considering how much money they are willing to ask for. I think the Cardinals are still a good team but they need someone at the QB position. That kid from Florida State seems like a good prospect… Either way John Skelton was the first QB that Whisenhunt has ever drafted as a HC in Arizona so I guess that should be good news considering he was also responsible for drafting Big Ben in Pittsburgh. I guess we’ll see how good he really is against the Broncos.

  57. By Voice of Reason on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    This is beyond amazing. It has been obvious that they’ve needed to bring in a quarterback since, oh, halftime of week 1. Then, 10 weeks later, Hall gets hurt. And Coach says he wants somebody that can come in and play if needed. That suggested a street or UFL veteran with starting experience.

    Enter…

    Bartell? A man who hasn’t ever thown an NFL pass, and WAS NOT STARTING in the UFL?

    Who the heck is making the decisions here?

    Might you be better with Tim Rattay, who at least has some exposure to the system???

  58. By cards62 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Denver is the perfect team to start John Shelton.
    I just looked and Denver’s run defense I believe is second worse in the league to Buffalo. They give up 145 yards a game and our Cardinals give up 144 yards a game. So Denver will try to run on us and hopefully we will use Beanie and Tim or Tim and Beanie and run on them with some play action from BIg John. This game really does set up nicely for Big John’s first start so hopefully our OC has his best game of the year and our OL follows suit.
    Run the ball, run the ball, run the ball.
    Steve

  59. By disappointed_card on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Bartell coming in is becoming old news. Lienert was here for 5 years and Anderson comes from nowhere. Skelton was here and here comes Bartell. Remember that story?

  60. By Griff on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Wow,where do i start…hmmmmm…first off call me crazy but im a die hard CARDINALS fan from Baltimore(no i dont like the ravens) and u guys sayin that ken W should be fired???How quickly do we forget bout positives….like just bein IN THE SUPERBOWL,what a good two years ago? Now KW needs to b replaced??? And Im not sayin,Skelton is not goin to go out n do this n that,but he was THIRD string for a reason! Im not a fan of DA,i think he stats speak for himself,his accuracy is trash and the numbers dont lie…He kinda reminds me of Kyle Boller,strong arm but cant hit an open reciever thats 12ft tall…only difference is Kyle is a 3rd string,y is DA even a starter…lastly,if we arent goin to take any deep shots down the field,y did we even get rid of Leinart! Yea Matt arm was mashed potatoes,but it we gonna settle for 6 n 7 yd catches,matt coulda did that! i know hes lmbo callin us dumb as chit,smh! And btw,whatever Skelton does,Cam Newton BETTA be the definent option if hes available after panthers draft!

  61. By brad oneill on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Andrew luck fan- good suggestions i love those type posts heres my two cents

    Lets not panic and grab the first available qb this offseason. I think skelton may have the tools to be a great quarterback of course we wont know until he gets in the game.

    I would love to pick up Andrew luck obviously but in the last draft after sam Bradford the other qbs fell pretty far in draft. I am not sure if we will be so lucky but there are quite a few decent prospects out there. the question is would a guy like Nick Foles be an improvement over skelton? he has a 75% completion rate and decent size. I think if we miss luck we should seriously consider offensive linemen,

    I think we are set on running back but the organization seems to be unable to utilize the strengths of the ones we have.

    I think Toler has been solid except in the game where he hurt his foot. I am not sold on DRC, He seems more concerned with speed than effective tackling. if they can’t get weight on him he will become more of a liability as teams learn to exploit the weakness in his game. Imagine the carnage if we played new england and they lined up the two tight ends with Wes welker just behind them with the catch. i would say drc would be crushed.

    we need to groom replacements for Wilson, Haggans, Porter, and even Rhodes. Those guys are all great and we will get some more out of Rhodes and WIlson but the clock is ticking on the other 2.

    last year we traded away a lot of draft picks because we thought we were fairly solid in some area’s and needed a few positions filled. I really liked getting washington, and Skelton where we got them. but this year we shouldnt have to trade up as we will be picking early. i don’t think we will see the undrafted free agent buffet we saw this year.

    I still think we have one of the best receiving corps in the league all the way down to Max komar. so i dont see us picking up any receivers. at least i hope we dont waste picks on them.

  62. By georgiebird on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Darren,
    Again, we can agree to disagree. What will stop teams like the Bears , Vikings, SF, Oakland, Cleveland, Pittsburgh (Ben is unreliable) -to name just six- from putting a package together and moving way up in the draft ?
    Brees, Brady, and the Mannings have proven again and again to GMs that you can’t win without a top-notch QB. If the three QBs coming out are franchise type, they could go in the top 3 or four picks and the above mentioned teams will “overpay” in players or draft choices to get their guy. So it may take some “overpaying” — something the Cardinals haven’t done historically- to land the QB of choice. In the past, when the Cardinals have needed to fill a position, that position player becomes as scarce as a Cardinals’ stop on 3rd and 15.

  63. By Chuck 1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Sorry, Darren,

    I’ll have to work on my patience. Mea Culpa.

    Regarding the QB starter for this week, if I were a betting man, I would bet the house on DA (assuming he passes concussion tests). After all, “he gives the Cards the best chance to win”. LMAO

    Then, I think that Whiz would send in Bartel as the #2.

    Skelton, WHO???

  64. By Old Man Riva on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    I like what the Andrew Luck Fan says…only problem is the comment about the Bidwills opening their wallet. They never have and never will. Plus, for some strange reason (maybe they don’t want the high priced superstar athlete) they always seem to have people calling the talent shots who can’t judge it. I’m very sorry to see all the die-hard Arizona fans have to fall back into their “wait until next year” mode but that’s the Cardinals for you. A year or two, possibly three at the most, of competetive teams and then the quick fall into mediocrity. I have followed that path for 50 years now. What a bummer to be a Big Red fan.

  65. By brad oneill on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    i dont think you necessarily need a peyton manning or Tom Brady to win in this league especially not in the nfc west. The super bowl has been won a number of times with adequate quarterbacks. Joe namath, earl Morrall,Jim Mcmahon, doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler Trent dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning.

    Im not saying these guys weren’t good quarterbacks, I am just saying they may not be Mannings and Brady’s except for Eli of course who is a manning. he he he.

    by the way for every Manning and Brady there are players like Marino, Bledsoe, George, Palmer, Moon, etc that could throw the heck out of the ball and just never got a ring.

  66. By Sigmund Freud on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Casey-

    When did you develop this urge to start calling yourself Chuck?

    I detect a deeply disturbed individual.

    Dr. Freud

  67. By MikeV on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Draft QB’s: I know there’s probably no leanings in the organization at this point, so Darren, what are your rankings/draft board for the top 4 QBs in the draft? Locker, Luck, Mallet, and Newton?

  68. By Phoenixraven1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Isn’t chuck Norris available for a couple weeks of qb fill in…

  69. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    MikeV —

    RE: QB rank

    Have not seen enough of them for this to mean anything, but I suppose I’d go, Luck, Newton, Mallet, Locker.

  70. By jwit on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    All signs point to Skelton starting this Sunday… The coaching staff motivates with a system of competition… No one is handed anything even the 3rd string QB will have to compete. If by some off chance Bartel gets the nod then maybe just maybe it will be Bartel out performed Skelton on the practice field… slim chance but possible.. So everyone please relax

    The Cards will be fine.. it’s been a tough season but for obvious reasons. Fans are supposed to be supportive (especially) during tough times but so many of us “fans” have short memories and second guess every decision the coaching staff makes… sad… but the Cards can always find support from me

    Go Cards

  71. By TucsonTim on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Voice –

    Rattay has some working knowledge of the Cards and has played real NFL football, but he would cost more MONEY. What do you think M Bidwill had to say about that.

  72. By Darren Urban on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    TucsonTim —

    RE: Rattay

    He has also been out of the NFL since playing for the Cards in 2007. Bartel has at least been in training camps the past two seasons.

  73. By Chuck 1 on Dec 8, 2010 | Reply

    Dear Dr. Freud,

    I am forever grateful for the diagnosis.

    I have been on the couches of many shrinks (OOPS, I mean psychiatrists) over the years as I rooted for the Cards, but have never received the incisive direct diagnosis that you have provided.

    I’m sure that there are many other Cards fans who could benefit from your help.

    Is it possible that you could give us a group rate, either during this season or maybe a 2011 season rate, to combat the severe depression that we endure ?

  74. By clssylssy on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    If Coach doesn’t want to damage Skelton and play him this season, why not go with shifting Early Doucet to QB and use Bartel as a back body filler. Doucet at least knows the play book, knows the rhythm of his teammates and was an all stater QB in Louisiana before going to LSU, Of course, it was suggested, in the Bleacher Report that the decision had been made to tank this season to secure the #1 draft pick, and although I understand this mindset to a degree…the sacrifice a few to the good of the greater…it is still disturbing considering the fans who have made a conscious decision when buying tickets during these tough economical times, and neglecting the payment of other things like rent, etc. I think in boxing that’s akin to throwing a fight? I would sincerely hope that this organization has not reached that point!

  75. By Guito on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    Go Cardinals,

    “New QB John Skelton”

    Skelton Job Is Yours !!!!!!!!!!!

    SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON SKELTON

  76. By Frakker on Dec 9, 2010 | Reply

    A couple of comments:

    1. Let’s calm down on Skelton eh? He’s a third string quarterback, expect failure, jumping on a bandwagon with square wheels will leave you dissapointed, unless you think about what you should expect from square wheels.

    2. The Wiz – The guys a good head coach, looks pretty clear that DA was a bad shot, it happens – more than once usually. Matt was a good guy, but most of us realize he’ll never be your #1 guy either.

    3. Here’s hoping that they are spending a lot of hours looking at draft prospects. Play Skelton, with a little luck he could become a solid backup for years to come, maybe step in when needed, but do the smart thing, try and make him a great backup, use common logic to get a high percentage prospect in the draft.

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