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Posted by Darren Urban on February 8, 2011 – 12:00 pm

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is reporting (in Ed Bouchette’s chat) that the Cards have asked the Steelers for permission to interview Keith Butler for the vacant defensive coordinator position. The report also says the Steelers have yet to give an answer. Given that Whisenhunt and Butler have known each other for so long, I’d think the interview would be more about specifics — like Butler’s contract desires, for instance — than defensive substance.

Kent Somers is reporting the Cards have asked permission for a second candidate, but doesn’t name a name. I wouldn’t be surprised if the other comes from Green Bay (I’d think the Pittsburgh report would cover any possible Steelers, right?). Packers assistant head coach Winston Moss and safeties coach Darren Perry are the Green Bay coaches that have been mentioned.

UPDATE: XTRA’s Mike Jurecki is reporting that the Steelers denied permission to interview Butler, but that Steelers defensive backs coach Ray Horton — whom Whisenhunt also coached with in Pittsburgh — is apparently coming to the Valley for an interview. Horton’s contract is reportedly ending.

UPDATE II: Somers is reporting that permission was requested for Butler, Horton and Moss, and the Cards haven’t received an answer for any of them yet.

UPDATE III: Butler’s son tweeted that his dad was indeed denied permission to interview. (Sounds like Butler deleted his tweet, but permission was indeed denied).

UPDATE IV: Jason LaCanfora is reporting Horton is taking a job with the Cowboys. (And now a follow-up says Horton only has “an offer” from the Cowboys, as well as the Cardinals.)


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46 Responses to “Cards ask for permission UPDATE”

  1. By CardsFan on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Probably going like this, Darren?

    Whiz (to Steelers): Hey, can I interview Butler?

    Steelers: Ummm, hang on… (hold music) Hey LeBeau, you coming back next year? Yeah? Hmmm…hey Butler, you willing to wait a little longer? No? You sure? Ok…darn… (end hold) Hey Whiz – yeah, I guess so…

  2. By Brandon LA on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Lots of people seem confident it will be Butler. An espn blog however reported the steelers would like to hang on to him for another season. hmmmm.

  3. By D on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    How long can Tomlin make Whiz wait?

  4. By Jesse Robles on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    I think Keith Butler would be good. The Cardinals have ever had elite LB’s, and the Steelers always have great LB’s. We could be really good next season if we play our “CARDS” right. I am excited for Michael Bidwell to take over one of these days, he seems like he really wants to win, and it isn’t just about his pockets, I could be wrong though. Everyone always talks about how Cards, and Arizona fans in general are Fair Weather. My argument to that is, great great grandparents have been fallowing the Steelers, Packers, Cowboys, etc. for ever!! The Cardinals got here in the 80’s when I was born…we are going to be those Great Great Grandparents that have been fallowing the Cardinals. VON MILLER!!! CASEY MATHEWS!!! O’Brien Schofield!! Daryl Washington!!! that is a LB Core!!

  5. By stevedco on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Wow…reports are they denied Butler to interview for DC job.

    Unless Lebaue has told Tomlin he is retiring this year pretty crappy move to hold a LB coach back from a promotion.

    Hard to believe assistant coaches would want to move to Pitt if they won’t be allowed to move forward.

  6. By Wampag on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    how long do they have to respond?

  7. By Darren Urban on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Wampag —

    RE: Respond time

    I don’t know if there is a set time, but I think there is knowledge you can’t drag your feet.

  8. By R Robles on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Im with Jesse well put Von Miller Mathews Washington Lenon Davis Schofield Maybe Porter as a backup hell ya

  9. By Wampag on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    hey D I am sorry to bug you again but how can they deny permission can you explain it a little better…what options does the coach have if he cannot interview? can he quit? or does the NFL frown on that? I mean you figure unoffically Whiz and he have spoken but officially can the CARDS get fined if Butler decides to take the interview anyway I mean can he…its like your working for Dell and Apple interviews you or is it different I am confused

  10. By Eazy E on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    I like horton and both green bay coaches moss and perry. Who we get out of those three would be sweet. Horton looks like the favorite right now because he’s in for an interview.

  11. By Darren Urban on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Wampag —

    RE: Denying permission

    The rule is, if a coach is under contract and is going for any position besides head coach, he can be denied. Why? He’s under contract. If he doesn’t want to be tied to the contract, he probably shouldn’t sign a multiple-year deal. At least, that’s the thinking.

    Butler can quit, but as with most contracts, I am sure there is language preventing him from taking another job before it expires — and he wouldn’t get paid.

    And when we say permission to be interviewed, we are essentially saying he is free to leave for another job. He and Whiz can talk all they want in the offseason. He can’t take a job though.

  12. By toddcard on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    ha ha this just gets better and better…oh well…winston moss c’mon down!!

  13. By Chris Lewis on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    This has nothing to do with the DC position, but I’m just wondering what your thoughts are Darren. Don’t take this wrong, I love Coach Whiz, he’s a great coach, but I just wish sometimes he would show a little more emotion, get fired up once in awhile, and maybe it would motivate the players a little. Not to say they aren’t motivated. I liked the way Dave McGinest would show some emotion. Personally I like that kind of coach. At the same time I do also like the way Whiz is a cool customer and level headed. I just would like to see a little bit of both. What do you think?

  14. By HD on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Any thoughts about a look see at Kevin Greene, out of Green Bay????????

  15. By imisskurt on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    What a classless act if they indeed do prevent a position coach from taking a coordinator job somewhere else……….

  16. By cheesebeef on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    i gotta tell you, if this is true, it is really bush league behavior from the Steelers. either make the guy your DC or allow him to further his career. it’s not like this is the first time the team has denied Butler permission to seek a DC job.

  17. By Jesse Robles on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Steelers are done once Lebeau retires. Everyone is leaving, it seems like no one wants to be there any more. Mike Tomlin was put in the easiest spot a coach could be in, besides the Colts Head Coaching gig when Dungy left. Ive been saying it for years that Tomlin is over rated as a Head Coach, we shall see what happens. You cannot coach what ben Roethlisberger does, he played just as bad as he did in the first Super Bowl, but the Defense came on stronger against the Seahawks. All well, really wanted Butler, but life goes on. Just brintg someone in the doesn’t play soft when we get a lead like usual. I want smash mouth football!!

  18. By RIan on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Next on “As the Cards DC Search Turns” …. Who needs soap-operas when we have the Cards….. FML

  19. By cheesebeef on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    and as for Horton… blech. the achilles heal of the Steelers has always been to the attack their secondary. They’ve got Troy who is an OUTRAGEOUS player, but the rest of their secondary has always been incredibly suspect and that’s with a ferocious pass rush most of the time. Horton stinks of cronyism and again, just going steelers west just to go steelers.

    personally, if we don’t get butler, i’d rather not settle for second best steeler. i like the GB coaches a lot and think it wouldn’t hurt to get a completely fresh perspective into this team, a little outside of wiz’s box.

  20. By Jesse Robles on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Guess it is Winston Moss, Horton is going to the Cowboys reports say

  21. By Wampag on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    now I am really confused is this for real:
    A radio report by Mike Jurecki of XTRA 910 in Arizona says the Cardinals have settled on their next defensive coordinator and it will be Steelers secondary coach Ray Horton.

    http://www.xtra910.com/onair/Mike-Jurecki/Cardinals-new-DC-is.html

  22. By RedSea8508 on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t handle the suspense!!! It’s killing me… lol

  23. By MikeG on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren—Looks like the Card’s interest is in Butler and Winston Moss. Also–
    Dick Lebeau’s future has an impact on who the Card’s will try to sign. Have you seen or heard of any rumble of LeBeau retiring?? He is pretty old and has accomplished alot. I believe he is the key to this puzzle.

  24. By Mark in Chandler on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Todd Bowles may be the one. I think in some ways since his interview with him, Whiz wondered if Bowles would be the best choice but he felt he needed to go with the people he knew and a known product (at least in his mind). If Butler and Horton are off the table I think he might look to Bowles as the best candidate. I kind of like Bowles as well and wondered at the time of the interview if it wouldn’t have been better to hire him at the Senior Bowl but I understand Whiz’s logic in waiting and would have probably done the same thing. (Unless they pick up Moss the next hire would be a linebacker’s coach. Donnie Henderson might be on the market pretty soon looking for a job. Miami or Green Bay might have an opening)

  25. By Chuck 1 on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    As much as I am upset with the Steelers for denying Butler the opportunity to “MOVE ON UP”, if I look at it from the Steelers’ point of view, it’s smart.
    They apparently want Butler to be THEIR next DC.
    HOWEVER, when LeBeau retires and if the Steelers pick someone else for the DC job, then refusing Butler the opportunity to be promoted is just plain mean (to Butler) and spiteful to the Cards.
    The refusal just adds a littler more incentive for Whiz to win the 2011 regular season game against the Steelers.

  26. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Nothing too surprising about any of this, Butler is the heir apparent to LeBeau so the refusal on their part makes sense – especially since that promotion could be taking place as we speak. What doesn’t make sense is why Horton would be considering the same job with the Cowboys that he had with Pitt, when the offer here is for the DC position.

    Anyways, when all the premature tweeting is over I’m still expecting to hear that he’s our DC.

  27. By D on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    If Horton gets the job, do we also get Timmons and Woodley :)

    I guess if he hires a Packer coach we have a better chance of bringing in Jenkins and Hawk if there is a free agency period this offseason (two players that could help out next year)

  28. By latch on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    I guess Ry Horton ;the Pittsburg secondary coach is being considered because of the good job they did aginst AR Sunday. Pleeeaze……………….

  29. By Darren Urban on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Chris Lewis —

    RE: Emotion

    I think you have to take that into account when you hire someone. Trust me, Whiz gets emotional, and he gets emotional to his team. He just doesn’t show it publicly.

    Generally though, you don’t ask Rex Ryan to act like Bill Belichick and you don’t ask Belichick to work a little “Ryan” into his day. Those are extreme examples, but again, you should hire what you want — not ask for a guy to be something he’s not.

  30. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Peter King is reporting Steeler’s Dick LeBeau will be the Arizona Cardinals new Defensive Coordinator.
    UPDATE: Steelers confirm LeBeau will reitre, Arizona targets longtime LB coach and Whiz friend, Keith Butler.
    UPDATE 2: Butler will take over the coveted DC spot from LeBeau, affirming his Coach-in-waiting handshake agreement. Cardinals are looking at Pittsburgh Secondary coach, Ray Horton, who has worked with Whisenhunt before.
    UPDATE 3: Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones promises Horton 3 times his current salary and tickets to next year’s Super Bowl to be the Cowboy’s DB coach. Now that all the desired Pittsburgh assistants have been taken, Green Bay’s LB coach Winston Moss seems to be the next step.
    UPDATE 4: In a surprise move, Moss has turned down Arizona’s offer to become in charge of training Walmart baggers. His quote: “Either way, I’ll be dealing with guys who can’t sack.” Whisenhunt is forced to look at Packer’s DB coach Darren Perry.
    UPDATE 5: Perry is going to be hired as the Oakland Raiders new Defensive Coordinator/Al Davis embalming agent. His second job is expected to last about 3 days. Whisenhunt is unsure of of next interview candidate.
    UPDATE 6: After waiting for weeks to hire a DC and watching several other teams fiil their positions, the Arizona Cardinals have finally got their man.

    Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator Ken Whisenhunt is expected to walk in for the Defensive Coordinator job interview on Wednesday.

  31. By stantheman on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Steelers are arrogant and greedy. Glad they got embarrassed.

  32. By rockyfootballguy on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Moss would be a great choice. He knows how to beat the champs green bay packers he knows mc carthy well. He also knows how to play against the west coast offense which is what all the nfc west teams plays. It makes the best move

  33. By Christo on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    This is getting kinda pathetic.
    HEY Whiz there are other Organizations and Resources available than the Pittsburgh Steelers left overs!!

    This is sad. We don’t run the ball like Pit. We don’t have an attacking D like Pit. We SURELY are not capable of DRAFTING anywhere near Pit’s level.

    Errrrrrrrrrr sad sad sad.

    We haven’t even cut DA yet.

  34. By Brian on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Todd Haley didn’t come from the Steelers. Don’t know enough about Horton to form an opinion. After talking with a Steeler fan friend of mine, he took marginal secondary talent, save for Troy, and got them to look good.

  35. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Steelers secondary is as bad as the Cardinals, and probably worse if you don’t count Troy Polamalu. I don’t know if The Steeler’s DB coach is going to be an upgrade. I’m guessing Horton had some say in McFadden returning to the Steelers last year, and McFadden stunk it up again this year. Not a good sign.

  36. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Has Whiz ever denied any of his staff permission to interview with other teams? I can’t think of any that involved a move to advance their career.

  37. By Scott H on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    Damn the Steelers…like I didn’t hate them enough already. Makes me wonder if they really aren’t sure if Lebeau is back for next year or if he is retiring. Sigh…we waited for THIS and now it’s not happening? Not really the Cardinals’ fault, but…the end result might be the same – that we just ain’t getting the guy they wanted and now all they can do is scramble to find someone else.

  38. By brad oneill on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    it makes no sense for butler to come here. he has a winning program with a long history of keeping good coaches for a long time. Ken is approaching the longest term of any cardinals coach in history and he is coming off a bad year. I don’t think ken is nor should he be in danger of losing his job but one more bad year and i think he will be in huge trouble. Why would bulter risk it. right now he can wake up everyday go to work for a legend and know that someday he will be given the keys to the bigger office.

  39. By Ronald on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    I love the negetive comments being made. Man if you’re not a die hard Cardinals fan or a fan then please kick rocks and leave. Go root for another team.

  40. By Cardsftw on Feb 8, 2011 | Reply

    at chris lewis.
    you make a valid point chris. but when creating the best coaching crew you need a guy like whiz who is calm under pressure a guy who handles his emotions the same way winning or losing. he doesn’t panic. while, his assistant coach should be the ra ra guy who shows the emotion. the guy who shows all the emotion to pump the players up. i don’t know any of the coaches personally but i could see russ grimm an oline hall of famer being that emotional coach.

  41. By drummer-1 on Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

    @Christo.. thats the whole point… if we dont go after coache’s and players that does all those thing we’ll never get there…it sounds to me like most fans are crying because of where the coach or player comes from, rather than if it’s a good fit or not..

  42. By Staff Sergeant TIm Roberts on Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

    Ok, so Lebeau is either retiring or staying. We won’t know unless the Steelers say something (and they aren’t known for being good sports about anything) and now they are blocking us from having a better DC so they can MAYBE promote this guy?!?! I mean that’s just stupid. Really, you lost the big game and now you wanna play kid games so you can MAYBE get to it again next year? I know this is a business, and unless you’re gonna promote the guy, then keep him or let him go. That simple.
    Quit being poor losers and let this guy get promoted. Either with your team, or with another.

  43. By Darren Urban on Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

    Ottis —

    RE: Cards denying

    When Frank Bush was LB coach here, the Texans wanted to hire him as co-DC. Denny Green denied the request.

  44. By Christo on Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

    @drummer I don’t see the DB coaching being the guy who draws up the D. As mentioned on the Cards board. Horton isn’t the master mind, or the prodigy, he is a role player. The heavy lifting is done by his superiors.

  45. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 9, 2011 | Reply

    Let me see if I’m following all the critics and their thought process correctly on this. They complain that we’re not the Steelers, that we’ll never be as good as the Steelers, etc. Then they turn around and complain when we entice their coordinators and position coaches to come here?

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