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The RFA tender offers

Posted by Darren Urban on March 4, 2011 – 2:15 pm

I know there are many wondering exactly which players were tendered restricted free agent contracts for the Cardinals, so here is that list:

  • RB Tim Hightower
  • WR Early Doucet
  • G Deuce Lutui
  • WR Steve Breaston
  • DL Alan Branch
  • C Lyle Sendlein
  • T Brandon Keith

Some quick thoughts on these. These were clearly done — not surprisingly — based on the 2010 rules that it takes six accrued seasons to reach unrestricted free-agent status. Conventional wisdom is that the new CBA will again call for four years to reach UFA status, which in the Cards’ case would mean the tenders wouldn’t matter to Lutui, Breaston, Branch or Sendlein — all would be unrestricted.

It’s also notable (although not a shock, given how much he was inactive) that the Cards declined to tender NT Gabe Watson, who would be in the same boat as Lutui, for example, after playing five seasons. TE Ben Patrick also could have been in that vein, although again, that doesn’t absolutely rule out a return. It just means the Cards weren’t willing to lock them into a high salary. Same goes for TE Stephen Spach and DE Kenny Iwebema, among others.

The level of each tender offer was not available.


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73 Responses to “The RFA tender offers”

  1. By 949Cardsfan on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    No wonder Tim Hassleback of ESPN said our line situation is the weakest in the league. 4 out of 5 starters of a 2nd class line could be gone all at once. Looks like the same piss poor planning that went into last years QB situation.

  2. By JOHN on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    When will Bryan Robinson announce retirement or will he go for another year?

  3. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    John —

    RE: B-Rob

    You’d have to ask Bryan that.

  4. By Keegan on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    Would the Cards be inclined to draft an Offensive Lineman in the early rounds? I don’t think the Cards want a potentially good QB next year getting sacked as many times as the QB’s got hit last year.

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Keegan —

    RE: OL draft

    I think there is that possibility. I also know the offensive line free-agent class is considered deep.

  6. By D on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Watson hasn’t been the same since the treadmill-they will need to get a Def Tackle when free agency is available-(K. Jenkins)
    Patrick seemed to regress last year, another area to add via free agency this summer. (Z. Miller or K. Boss)
    Branch is a good backup DE. They kinda had to tag the O-Linemen-hard to replace that many starters…Spach is the only suprise…

  7. By Peter in Canada on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren –

    Before I become all gtloom and doom could you tell me if our situation is substantially different from most of the other teams.

  8. By Darrel on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren does that mean doucet will be back next year

  9. By DoblerFan on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    LT Free best F/A tackle. Do what it takes.

  10. By ross on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Isn’t money mike a free agent? No tender for him?

  11. By Andre on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    We are most likely going to draft specifically defense in this draft, especially after hiring Horton. That’s my take on it. As Darren has pointed out the free agent OL is deep and I’m guessing from all the Money the cards have been saving these pass few years it’s time to bank on a playoff team next year. However, this all depends on what Quarterback we get in FA or through trades. I personally hope we get Palmer. Even with this happening, we’d probably still draft an OL, TE or QB but I doubt it would be early in the draft.

  12. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Peter —

    RE: Situation different

    Not really. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/33122/2011-nfl-free-agents-by-team-position

    Obviously, this was a few weeks ago and some has changed but not substantially.

  13. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darrel —

    RE: Doucet

    He’ll be in camp. He still has to make the team, but I would guess that is more likely than not.

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Ross —

    RE: Adams

    He is an RFA and no they didn’t tender him. But I would bet he returns.

  15. By JOHN on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    What about Ben Graham ? Are they going to offer him a deal?

  16. By Steve Lee on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Will the Cards be able to keep most of these guys? The good ones, that is.

  17. By RobertF on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Steven Spach is a very good tight end who has not strung a few years together because of injury. Now getting our QBs to throw to tight ends over the last few years has been next to impossible. Tender Adams? Why 2nd string DBs are all over cheap. Branch and Watson are interchangeable, just one stays hurt. Von Miller 1st rd, Colin Kaepernick 2nd, and a new O-line please.

  18. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    John —

    RE: Graham

    I would think they would, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring in competition.

  19. By Darren Urban on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Steve Lee —

    RE: Keeping players

    I guess we will see. I have no way of knowing right now. The FA landscape has a lot of players available this offseason; I don’t know if that means it’s more likely for turnover or less.

  20. By Peter in Canada on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks for the reply. It indicates that we are better off than most teams. Therefore I will not shout that the sky is falling and bash Whis and Graves for their lack of foresight.

  21. By Chris B on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Patrick is probably one of those players Whis was talking about with “kept them because of past performances” rather than current. I like him and think he can be a great pass catching TE… but…

    Since Darren said Graham struggles with field position (kicking out of his own territory) I wouldn’t be surprised if they brought someone else in.

    I am curious as to what they are going to do with Komar, seeing as he was playing in the last few games and not Stephen Williams. Or did this have to do with punt returning ability?

    Hightower, though fumbling is an issue, needs more touches. He can run well.

  22. By CNelson on Mar 4, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    On a scale of 1-10(asuming theres a cba by june) whats the chances of us looking to sign plaxico burrus? Hes got alot to prove after his jail time..

  23. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    CNelson —

    RE: Burress

    Can I say less than 1? Zero?

    I don’t see any way they’d want an older WR who hasn’t played in a couple of years and was in jail.

  24. By Michael on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    How many guys have the packers re-signed lately? And we can’t even resign some of our main guys! Very dissapointing as always!

  25. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, not that i really care about plexico coming to arizona, but that statement you made about him being in jail, for real like what does it matter if somebody had to do a sentance? As long as they can play shouldnt that be all what really matters? Who cares about personal issues, look at vick, he still beasts i bet philly is glade they gave him a chance, if you can play football thats all that should matter. more than half of these players are from the hood anyway, i dont see why its such a problem that a guy had to do some time for a crime.

  26. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Plus, didnt plexico win a superbowl for the giants in his last game?

  27. By brad oneill on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    they aren’t going to draft defense just because they brought in horton. that would be ridiculous. they will draft based on perceived need. my guess would be that the coaches who have established themselves will have more input into the draft than the new guy. They brought Horton in because they felt they had good people in place they just need to get a lot more out of them. if the problem was the personal we would have kept the coach and dumped the players.

    they probably take von miller with first pick then start looking for offensive linemen. i would say there are no safe spots on the line at the moment. our line will be built from free agency and the draft.

    This team has never been good at grabbing marque free agents so those of us hoping for that corner from oakland will probably be disappointed like we were with shockey, mcnab, or any one of thousands of faint hopes us fans can dream about but know in our hearts that our team just isn’t going to spend the money on.

  28. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgerscromartie —

    RE: Jail or not

    “If you can play football thats all that should matter.”

    Not everyone feels that way.

  29. By brad oneill on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    in arizona plaxico would have been looking at 30 days in jail tops for bringing a gun into a bar.

    so really he shouldn’t be considered a felon here. he should just be considered an idiot.

  30. By drummer-1 on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    @ Michael..

    other person crying about what others teams are doing,just because the packers signed player we should also.. how do you know their not working on it….

  31. By MattAZ on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    “If you can play football thats all that should matter.”

    …said O.J. ‘s criminal trial jury

  32. By Mark on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Who cares about Plaxico, he is at least 35 and has not played in two years. The cards for some reason have not given Steve Breaston a new contract who is a fan favorite, solid player, is still young and has high character. So I guess that does not mean much either unless they can get him for cheap. Does it make since that the organization puts a first round tender on a guy, when its probabley not gonna matter anyway unless someone knows the new CBA is gonna have new free agent rules. If you think a guy is worth a first round tender, why not just resign the guy when you have the chance before he reaches free agency. Lame

  33. By Michael on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    @ drummer- I’m the Cards #1 fan, but it seems like the cards let some pretty good players walk every offseason…and if Lutui, Breaston, or even Sendlein leave it will have happend again!

  34. By Gary J on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, have you heard if we are close to signing any of our free agents?

  35. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Mar 5, 2011 | Reply

    Everyone that wnats to win does

  36. By Eazy E on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    What plaxico did is NO BIG DEAL. He shouldn’t even be in jail for that BS. He accidentally shot his self for goodness sakes, give the man a break. If breaston leaves and I hope he doesn’t, plaxico would be very intriguing. T.O., Randy Moss, etc. also. Plax is 6’5 230 and may be a michael vick type comeback story. We already got burned by that along with plenty of other teams but still with kurt would have been great. T.O. balled out and shut his critics up. Randy Moss was beastin until the patriots start trippin a little bit and childress did a horrible job with him and fisher used him poorly. Whiz knows how to use great weapons, so T.O., R. Moss, or Plax would be fantastic, but I hope we get breaston signed first.

  37. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Gary J —

    RE: Re-signing

    Not that I know of. And at this point, no players — your own or otherwise — can sign until after the new CBA is done.

  38. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgerscromartie —

    RE: Winning/person

    “Everyone that wants to win does”

    Obviously, we are beyond just the Burress argument here. But I can’t disagree with you more. To say it’s that black-and-white, well, you are entitled to your opinion. You really believe, though, that a team should take anyone, regardless, as long as they might be able to help you win? Way too black and white of an argument. There are always shades of gray.

  39. By Chuck 1 on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgerscromartie –

    “If you can play football thats all that should matter.”

    That kind of dopey comment is an example of what is wrong with our society!!!

  40. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    If Fitzgerald did some time would you pass on him?

  41. By ross on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    I think Lawrence Phillips and Maurice Clarett are available.

  42. By Brandon Orgeron on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    What do you think of this mock I made for the cardinals draft

    Rd 1 5 Anthony Costanzo OT Boston College
    Rd 2 6 Kevin Shepard LB Louisiana State
    Rd 3 5 Casey Mathews LB Orgeron
    Rd 4 6 Greg MCelroy QB Alabama
    Rd 5 5 Torrey Smith WR Maryland
    Rd 6 6 Martez Wilson LB Illinois
    Rd 6 TBD Lawrence Guy DT Arizona State

  43. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgerscromartie —

    RE: “Doing time”

    Not as simple as that. What did he do to end up in jail? What kind of person had he been previously? How long out of the game had he been? How old was he now? What else do I have at the position?

    I could come up with others.

    Again, you want to make it black-and-white. It’s not that simple. In Burress’ case, perhaps the actual crime isn’t that big of a deal. But do I want someone on my team who is stupid enough to do what he did, whether it was a crime or not? Is that the person I want as a crucial part of my offense? Don’t forget, he slips up one time, anything minor, and the NFL will get rid of him. (Vick is in the same spot — if he messes up, even if it is minor, with the legal system, the Eagles are in deep trouble. Vick will be bounced.)

    I think I can find a way to win without someone like that. You can find good receivers other places. Who is better, for instance — Burress after 2 years away, or, say, San Diego free agent Malcolm Floyd? Hell, Burress or Breaston? Why sign a potential headache when you don’t need to?

  44. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Brandon —

    RE: Draft

    I don’t see the Cards going tackle with the first pick.

  45. By carlo7000 on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Brandon Orgeron
    sorry but your mock draft is super weird??’ do you know this year class draft or you just put names random????
    torrey smìith wr receiver from mayland is a late first early second round pick ..the same for martez wilson
    casey matthews doesnt have the strengt and meausures to play at silb
    kelvin sheppard is a third or fourth round pick

  46. By 85301fan on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    The card r going to turn into a defence of team they have all the stars i think go d fence . draft is going to b all dfence von miller if we would had dansby we would of made the playoffs and bring in vetran qb

  47. By Scott H on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Eazy E –

    What Burress did was no big deal??? Are you kidding me? Newsflash – he took a gun into a public place where weapons are not allowed AND should not be necessary. I’m glad the only person who got shot was him. Obviously, the legal system doesn’t agree with you. And ya know what? Even if the thing that he is MOST guilty of is just being incredibly stupid, then I still want no part of him. He is yet another ignorant ahtelete who was blessed with the ability to great things on a football field, but he just can’t stop himself from living the life of a thug.

    It’s a little scary, dude, that you think that something that got him sent to prison for two years is “no big deal.”

  48. By Chuck 1 on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Nick Pepe, where are you in the discussion regarding acquiring players “who have done time”? Based on your past comments regarding Vick, I would think that you would be all over this one.

  49. By R Robles on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    LE Dockett
    NT Williams
    RE Campbell
    LOLB Miller #1 Draft pick
    ILB Washington
    ILB Lenon
    ROLB Schofield
    CB DRC
    CB Toler
    FS Rhodes
    SS Wilson
    Does this starting lineup sound MEAN or what?

  50. By Brandon Orgeron on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Darren-
    They should though they neglected their offensive line needs all year. I say cut Keith, release Fanneca, starting line LT Jeremy Bridges LG Deuce Latui C Lyle Sindelein RG Anthony Costonzo RT Levi Brown.

    and carlo 7000 I think Torrey Smith and Martez Wilson wil be on the board where I put them due to an overabundance of recievers and olb taken in the early rounds. Casey Mathews would be a good developmental linebacker to take over for Paris Lenon. Kevin Shepard could start soon at lolb with Schofield and Martez Wilson and Greg Mcelroy would be for additional depth at the linebacker and Quarterback position. Lawrence Guy is kind of a chance player but in the late rounds you can afford to take a few chances.

  51. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Well they better resign fitz or we just might need to sign that headache!

  52. By Josh on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    I have been praying and praying for a QB but i DO NOT WANT Jamarcus Russell Jr. In Cam Newton, mark my words everyone he will be a bust, he’s one of these people who will only care about how much he is paid, I PRAY I PRAY that the Cards go a different route. Any Other QB in the draft will be fine, just PLEASE PLEASE GOD, NOT Cam Newton, he will set my team back if he is drafted and if we learned any thing from last year Whisenhunt knows how to pik the Stinkers, D.A- M.H- J.S although I do support Skelton but (NOT the answer) SO Darren if you speak to whis please tell him to NOT PICK THAT JOKE of a QB becasue he Jamarcus Russell made over.

  53. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    @R Robles,

    If Miller projects to what Mayock and others think he’ll be, it looks pretty solid. To plagiarize your idea, how would our nickel package look with Peterson, DRC, Toler, Rhodes, and Wilson?

  54. By Scott H on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Rodgerscromartie17-

    RE: Fitzgerald “doing time”

    Why would you even ask such a question??? Pardon me, but that is just stupid. Fitz seems to be a low key guy away from the game and a pretty good citizen. The only things I have ever heard about him doing are training, traveling, and making appearances. He’s never been in trouble for substance abuse, DWI, involved in a shooting or with weapons in any way, beating a woman, or any of the other things that pro atheletes tend to typically get in trouble for. So, why are you even associating his name with doing time??? C’mon, man…

    I think the very reason why Fitzgerald has such broad appeal is the very fact that he is a great player on the field and a good person away from it. As Cardinal fans, let’s embrace that and leave his name out of discussions about players like Plaxico Burress.

  55. By Canadian Red Bird on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Re: 2011 Draft

    I agree with Mike in that if Miller and Peterson are available at #5, the decision is quite simple. Select the surest player in the draft, that being Petersen. Move Daryl Washington to OLB, which is where he excelled in college at TCU and then select Martez Wilson the ILB from Illinois with our second round pick. I think we underestimate the talent of Will Davis; when healthy he can be a difference maker at OLB. With the 3rd rounder, trade for Kolb or Palmer. Draft Grade A +

    What do you think of this idea Darren?

  56. By Peter in Canada on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Plaxico Burress? I know we had a bad season, I know there is a chance we may lose Breaston and a smaller chance we may lose Fitz. But even if all these things should sadly come to pass surely we are still not that desperate.

  57. By dan on Mar 6, 2011 | Reply

    Cardinals are once again being cheap. All the good teams find a way to keep their players no matter what. When it comes to money the Cardinals keep a few players and dump the rest. As usual, for the most part they are cheap. Maybe the owners just don’t make enough money outside of just being the owners. I know they are loaded but compared to most owners I don’t think we have the money to throw around.

  58. By Exter on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    What do you expect the team to do with hightower this upcoming season? he showed small flashes last year but nothing phenomenal, What route do u think the cards will take in reguards to him? maybe realease him and look elsewhee in the draft? What are you thoughts?

    And what position do you think the cards will draft with their first round pick? Linebacker or will they risk drafting a qb first?

  59. By Darren Urban on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Canadian —

    RE: Draft idea

    It sounds great, especially if you can get Kolb or Palmer for a third. Which I am pretty sure you cannot.

  60. By Darren Urban on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Exter —

    RE: Hightower

    Tim will be back. Why wouldn’t he be?

    As for the first pick, everything is in play here in early March.

  61. By ross on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Tim was a top ten back in the league on a per carry average. He gets too little respect.

  62. By drummer-1 on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    @ dan..

    you say.. “once again cards are cheap” all i have read was we need bettter players on the team, to be a playoff team.. so why are you complaining about not signing players from what some thought of as a really bad team.. No matter what the team does somebody will find something wrong..

  63. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    @Brandon Orgeron,

    You’d use the #5 pick on a guy you’d start @ RG? It’s not a stretch to think he’ll be available at the top of round 2. What would be the point in releasing/cutting both Keith and Faneca? Even if you don’t think they’re legit starters you’d still need some OL depth.

  64. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    @Canadian,

    I was just commenting on Robles’ post, and throwing out another scenario that could give our defense a new look. If the pick were up to me I’d be calling Gabbert the second the #4 pick was in if he’s still available.

    I do agree that Peterson is, for lack of a better term, the “safest” pick @ #5. One of the major benefits of going CB or LT (aside from the obvious importance of having dominant players at those positions) that early is if they don’t pan out they usually can make an impact at an easier position (i.e. – Rolle from CB to Safety, Gallery from LT to LG, etc.), whereas if a QB or OLB are a bust you’re screwed. However, while I may be wrong on this I still feel that Gabbert will be a franchise QB and passing on him will be a major mistake on our part.

  65. By Eazy E on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H-

    First of all, what I mean by no big deal is that he shot himself accidentally, how can you punish him for shooting himself and for 2 years at that? Secondly, the legal system is far from perfect, that’s why unfortunately you always hear about people being in jail that are innocent or wrongly accused and gets out because of a dna test or someone finding evidence that they didn’t do it. I know bringing a gun in the club isn’t legal and you don’t want everybody in there with guns, but again he shot himself! Third, we’ve all done things that are not smart, let’s not act like we haven’t, nobody’s perfect and if you are, cast the first stone. Also, look at the crime, is that really 2 years worthy? Naw, probation if anything.

  66. By Voice of Reason on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    It just amazes me the way our GM sits on his hands until the very last minute. So we have four players that we tendered that most likely will become UFAs under the new deal? Nice.

    Here’s an idea — extend those players you want to keep. Do it during the season (not like he spent time looking at quarterback options). Guys like Alan Branch, Tim Hightower, and Steve Breaston — all want to be here and could be extended at a reasonable number, and during a non-capped year at that. Tenders ought to go to players that the team probably wants to keep if nobody better can be put in the position. Non-tenders are those players the team is comfortable letting go.

    And yes, teams can’t retain everybody. I get that. But at least two of the three I named above could have been approached about new deals early. Yet none were.

    Again – this comes down to a GM that doesn’t understand the duties of his position. Scott Paoli understands. Bill Parcells understands. Rod Graves does not.

  67. By Brandon Orgeron on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Mike: Fanneca will probably retire i think. and by cutting keith we would save money. and we would still have a full line with bastile and rex hadnot as extra depth. and I think right guard would be a good transition spot kind of like maurkice pouncy where started at guard and then moved to center. I think we need some assurance at left tackle though and we know Jeremy Bridges can play left tackle based on his game against the vikings last year. And is does not neccersarily need to be Costanzo, Mike pouncey is another good option but I definatley think we need to go o-line with fifth pick and get a guard or tackle

  68. By Scott H on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    Eazy –

    Well, again, he got what he got. So, the legal system gave him what they thought it was worth. Is the legal system perfect? No. But I will also say this – I work in a maximun security state prison and have yet to encounter someone who is there by an error of the legal system! Yes, there have been instances where it happens that innocent people go to prison. But is happens so infrequently…it is a rare exception. BUT in this case, how is that even part of the discussion??? He WAS shot, therefore, the evidence is there, plain and simple. Yeah, it was his gun. Yeah, he apparently shot himself. But none of that happens if he isn’t breaking the law in the first place. Was it worth two years? Hey, that ain’t for me to say. But I will say this – if two years is going to make him realize that he needs to change his ways, then maybe it IS a good thing. Maybe Plaxico and those around him will be safer going forward because of it. Maybe two years in prison will make that light come on, where probation and some community service may not have had the same impact. See what I’m sayin?

    What really comes out of this for me is this – from what I understand, this incident happened at a night club. Well, what do you need a gun in a night club for??? It ain’t the wild west where everyone is packin’ , ya know? IF this was a place where seedy types hang out and you suspect that other people there have guns, then go somewhere else! If he felt threatened and needed the protection of a loaded gun, then what did HE do to bring that on himself? And what type of people was he feeling threatened by? Again, when you feel like you need a gun to protect yourself out in public, you are doing something wrong. Heck, you’re a professional football player – if you need some security out in public, then hire some security people and let them do their job. Carrying a loaded gun can only lead to trouble. Even if he ended up shooting someone in “self defense,” isn’t he still in trouble? Yeah, he is.

    I get your points and have enjoyed the dialogue. But Plaxico Burress has to learn what Michael Vick has also learned. That playing pro sports is a privelege, not a right. You do wrong, there is a price to pay for it. And that if you are even fortunate enough to get a second chance at a career in the NFL, you have to force yourself to do the right things every day. Heck, during SB week, the NFL basically told Vick that he could not attend a party that was being held in his name simply because they did not want him in a situation where he could be around the wrong people and the wrong things could happen. That is the price that Vick is paying to be back in the league.

  69. By drummer-1 on Mar 7, 2011 | Reply

    @voice of reason..

    thats why he’s the GM and you’re not,.. because he doesn’t know what he’s doing..but you do…. keep on ranting…..I don’t know what you do for a living, but i bet i can tell you how to do it better, just like you can tell Rod Graves how to do his job..

  70. By Eazy E on Mar 8, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H-

    I understand and appreciate your points, but alot of athletes have guns because people are crazy and they love them so much, you never know what people would do. ESPN THE MAGAZINE had a piece probably about a year or 2 ago talking about athletes and how they protect themselves from people, fans, etc. Some said bodyguards, some said a gun, etc. It was a few others they mentioned, but it was very eye-opening and it made alot of sense with their answers to those questions on how to protect yourself as an athlete.

  71. By Scott H on Mar 8, 2011 | Reply

    Eazy –

    I hear you. Certainly, I cannot speak from knowing the life of a pro athelete. But the past has shown that in too many situations, pro atheletes and guns do not go together well. Also, HAVING a gun and CARRYING A LOADED GUN in public are two different things. One is simply a matter of ownership. The other is a threat to any innocent person who happens to be in the same place as the guy with the gun! Honestly, if I hear about a pro athelete using a legally owned gun to defend himself in his own home against an intrusion, I’m probably OK with that. Hearing about any incident about a pro athelete and gun in a public place where guns should not be? No. Can’t swallow that. That to me is one individual putting many others at risk because he feels he needs to protect himself.

    Then again, who knows? Maybe there are many, many pro atheletes who own guns and you never hear about it because they do it safely and properly.

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