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Posted by Darren Urban on April 15, 2011 – 2:23 pm

The talk about grabbing a “safe” pick high in the draft has been used for a long time now. As I have responded to a few people in blog post comments over the past month or so, there really isn’t such a thing as a “safe” pick. Now ESPN’s John Clayton has written a really good column on the subject, and the reality of going “safe.”

Clayton uses the example of the Dolphins going with tackle Jake Long (three Pro Bowls in three seasons already) and then taking QB Chad Henne in the second round, instead of taking QB Matt Ryan over Long. Henne isn’t working. They are still looking for a QB. Long was “safe” and he has been excellent. But was the pick for the best?

That’s why there is so much hair-pulling (figuratively, of course) about Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert, and what they could mean. If you are the Bills, for instance, and you go with Von Miller over Gabbert, and Gabbert turns into Matt Ryan — even if Miller is another, say, Clay Matthews — did Buffalo make the right call? (The same argument can be made for the Cards, for instance, for taking Larry Fitzgerald over Ben Roethlisberger). It’s why the Panthers seem likely to take Cam Newton No. 1 overall, because no matter how “safe” a Patrick Peterson or Marcell Dareus might be, they can’t trump the impact of a franchise QB.

Then again, you don’t know if that QB is going to be a franchise guy (see Leinart, Matt — among others). Another concept: Is it better to take a QB who might wash out or end up with a position player who washes out? The upside of impact usually rests with the most important position. It’s another reason why making the decisions on draft day are never simple, even when sometimes they look that way.


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73 Responses to “Playing it “safe””

  1. By CardsFan on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Nothing really surprising here, unless people think “safe” always means “best”. The “safe” pick in anything usually means lower risk and lower reward. For instance, “safe” investments in the market usually are the ones that give you less reward potential than other investments, but also carry less risk of losing a lot as well. The same is true across many other situations.

    That’s exactly what Miami did with the Jake Long pick. They went “safe”, knowing that the risk was less but the reward could be less as well, and that’s what they ended up with. A similar situation is with the Texans and Mario Williams – Williams was a “safer” pick than Reggie Bush, and, despite the SB appearance by Bush, it’d be hard to argue now that Williams didn’t end up being a better player than Bush has been. The “safer” route probably ended up being better for the Texans there. Conversely, how much did the risky Russell set the Raiders back compared to what a “safer” pick might have done for them?

    At the end of the day, I’m not sure what “reality” this or Clayton’s article are exposing here. If you don’t find a QB high in the draft, you have to find one somewhere else – not exactly a revelation. Neither is that you have a better chance of finding a good one at the beginning of the draft. And Miami hasn’t done that. Ryan is a bit of a red-herring here – for instance, would we be saying the same thing about Miami if they’d picked Long and traded for Cutler, for example? – other than showing the upside a high QB draft pick can have (which, again, isn’t exactly a revelation).

  2. By Phoenixraven1 on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Since a trade can’t be made for Kolb (unless the judges help along a miracle CBA!) then you have to go Gabbert…over Miller…

  3. By Travis McCollum on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    We have to Draft Miller. Gabbert and Newton our both so fare away from being anything close to a sure thing like Matt Ryan was.

  4. By Bill L on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    I agree there is no real safe pick, but that is why GM’s get the big bucks. If you don’t like Matt(more later) and you can’t reasonably like Brown……who made those picks, who made the evaluations, who did the leg work. If you have failures there, what is/has been the price……now that would be interesting.

    I see virtually every Mock has Cam going #1. Yet, Mayock has him rated in the teens based on film and workouts. Casserley has him Off the board in the 1st round based on film…..and probably totally off the board based on character. Lombardi favors Gabbert based on character……….so Caro is on Notice……. Relatively Gabbert is a better prospect, more likely to suceed. Cam is not as accurate, has never been in a Read offense, and is more questionable off the field than VY was or Russell was. So the odds say take Gabbert if you are set on drafting a QB. Totally safe, NO……a ton safer than Cam, YES. So, No gurarantees, if that is “safe”, but common sense, logic, work and skill can make it MUCH SAFER. Finally, I agree with Mayock; A Franchise QB trumps all other options. But, first you have to determine whether you have a Franchise QB. Everyone seems to think Gabbert is one…….many think Cam is NOT.

    As to Matt, I heard Harbaugh say he would like a competetion between Smith(they offered 3.5 Million for 1 year) and other(s) they can bring in for the starting Job. He said it is to be earned not given. That makes me think no McNabb, No Hasselbeck and No Kolb. I get a good feeling about Matt being given that chance. How much was Matt, How much was Whiz and does a Kubiak trump a Whiz. Matt may not be a better prospect than Gabbert or Kolb, but in a WC offense, I would put my money on him over Smith.

  5. By BigRedCard on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Wouldn’t “safe” be trade 1st round draft pick for proven 2nd year player if the option is there?

  6. By georgiebird on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    Agree 100% with taking Newton or Gabbart if they are available. However, neither will be there at #5 so Cards should take AJ Green.
    As I have said previously, Cards biggest nightmare would be to pass on a QB and have him end up with SF or Seattle.

    The Fitz comment (Ben over Larry) would have been viewed quite differently if the Card defense could have put up one stop in SB XLIII. You don’t need to draft a franchise QB if a Kurt Warner falls into your lap..

  7. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    @Darren,

    In your hypothetical for the Bills, I agree with you and use it to make another case for Gabbert @ #5. At least the Bills, if they were to end up in that scenario, have a QB coming off a very solid season and probably no realistic worry that Gabbert ends up in their division.

    On the other hand, a mistake like that (if it turns out he is another Ryan) could really be a death-blow to our division hopes if we gift wrap a franchise QB to SF and short-circuit our own pursuit of one. Not to put anymore pressure on them than what is already there, but I’m starting to get the impression this pick will end up making or breaking some careers around here.

  8. By AndyStandsUp on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Agree with CF about what determines a “safe” selection. JaMarcus Russell was as much as a sure thing than Bradford, until he failed. Ryan Leaf was considered Manning’s equal until he opened his mouth. Further back, Ken O’Brien was small college QB who was going to have a longer career than some big time passers like Elway, Kelly and Marino. (And don’t forget Todd Blackledge, also of that draft.)
    This thing is a crapshoot. Forrest Gump said it best when he stated, “The draft is like a box of chocolates, you never know when you’re going to get a nut, a flake, a John Lee or a Kelly Stouffer.”

  9. By aitchem on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    CBA or no CBA, would you be willing to part with a No. 1 for Kolb? Looks like that’s what it’ll take. Whether it’s this year’s #5 overall, or next year’s, that’s a lot to give up for an as-yet unproven player. If Orton is available, he no doubt could be had cheaper, and while he has a lower ceiling, you already know his floor.

    If you draft a QB high, even in the second, to me you’re saying you don’t think Skelton can be more than a back-up. I think he can. I’m still in favor of grabbing a vet (hopefully Bulger and not McNabb) and grooming Skelton for a year, maybe two.

    Remember, the conventional wisdom in ’06 said that both Vince Young and (especially) Matt Leinart would be franchise QBs. And that Leinart was the most NFL ready QB in the draft that year. How did that work out? You don’t hear anything like that about anybody this year. Maybe, maybe not is about the best you’re hearing.

    Nobody is a sure thing, no matter what position. Not even Von Miller is a guaranteed star at this level.

  10. By drummer-1 on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    The cardinals don’t have to go with Gabbert, I just don’t get how in 3 months it went from theres no QB worth taking in this draft if his name is not Luck, now it’s they have to get Gabbert he’s a franchise player…
    @Phoenixraven… Why do you think the cards have to go after Gabbert? I don’t think he would play at all this season anyway, but i could be wrong..

  11. By Nicholas on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    WILL THE CARDINALS FANS PLEASE GET OFF THE KOLB BANDWAGON!!!

    kolb is just as bad as DA, the only place he has DA beat is in the TD to INT ratio!!! last season in the 7 games kolb played he had 1,197 yards with 7tds & 7ints!!! Average that & ya got 171 yards per game with 1td & 1int!!! DA averaged 172 yards in the 12 games he played & you guys actually think Kolb is gonna make a big difference??? Get real people!!! Kolb has a better line in Philly, so behind our guys his numbers will probably fall even further unless something dramatically changes with the line & seeing that letui & faneca probably won’t be coming back, our line is in danger yet again!!! I could care less about faneca because he’s garbage & can’t block anymore & he proved that last year, but letui is gonna make a big difference not being there!!!

  12. By pacardsfan on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    for everyone on the Gabbert or Newton bandwagons, Don’t forget about Skelton, sure he was not Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan, etc., but remember he had virtually no snaps with the 1st unit guys until he was forced into a game. Then surprisingly, he won 2 of 4 as a starter. How well would those other guys have done in the same situation? There is absolutely No franchise QB in this years draft, so take the best player that is available for our needs, sign a free agent when it is allowed…Bulger would be good for a few years and let Skelton learn from and compete with him…

  13. By cardsalltheway on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    “(see Leinart, Matt — among others).”
    Matt Ryan may not have reached the level he has with Atlanta compared to in Miami. The same can be said about Eli Manning had he stayed with and played in San Diego. A team must be willing to hand over the reins of power to a young QB like B. Gabbert or C. Newton drafted in the 1st round while showing confidence in either, Ken W. isn’t the person to do so. I’d be afraid that if we drafted B. Gabbert or C. Newton, one of them might lead us to a come from behind victory in the 1st pre-season game by throwing a beautiful TD pass and then have to watch “Our Guy” get benched or cut before the season starts.

  14. By Big Red on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    What do you mean let Skelton learn from Bulger, I asure you, that boy Skelton will take the starting QB position. Skelton will be the next Peyton in the making. And after all is done, Whiz will be called a geneius.

  15. By nor cal cards fan on Apr 15, 2011 | Reply

    Was drafting Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson considered a “safe” pick…?

  16. By ross on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    Billy “chuck it deep” volek. Anybody catch him filling in for McNair in TN a few years back? He put up huge numbers and had a great deep ball. Fitz would dig him.

  17. By Louisville Card on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    I’m with Nicholas here kolb isn’t the answer neither is Bulger if anyone says he’s better than a back up they need to put the pipe down. He hasnt had a good year for 5 years and you think all of the sudden he’s going to be good get real. When we picked up Warner at least he had played as a starter the year before all be it not the whole year but he had some great games he was just pushed aside to make way for Eli. What us cards fans have to realize is that we are screwed at qb for a while there are no good option’s and there weren’t last year either. So don’t get mad at Whiz and throw him under the bus. Who was he going to pick up last year Mcnabb we see what happened there Bulger? If he was so good and able to get off the bench he would’ve done it two season’s ago. Now to Orton I’m not sure if anyone watched the Denver game but if you want him on your team after that game you need help. Our only legitimate chance to win next year is with Vince Young I know he’s a head case but all he does is win and with our receiver’s and if we draft D this year we would win at least 10 games. I know it probably won’t happen but if it doesn’t be prepared for a a top
    five pick and hopefully “Luck” next year.

  18. By Jeff Gollin on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    Great piece, Darren.

    What it all boils down to is: Rules are made to be broken.

    Each prospect and drafting situation is unique and the evaluation-process “site-specific.”

    Miami drafted a winner in Long, but apparently whiffed on Henne. The Cards bypassed Adrian Peterson in order to fill a huge need at LT.

    It’s that either teams made bad decisions (although the passing up of Peterson still makes me cringe) , but rather that their evaluations of the second guys they picked (Henne and Levi) haven’t worked out.

    Lesson learned should be that – whatever the circumstances, the team has to make sure ” it gets it right” – every time. This means – doing its homework, exercising the necessary due-diligence, getting inside the heart and mind of each prospect considered and doing all the solid, football things you need to do to answer the question: “What’s this guy going to be like in his first year, the following year and later on down the pike?”

  19. By Bill L on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    I am afraid that the Bulger/Skelton fans may have already won the day. Not because of talent……..not because of competing in the NFL……but, just for ringing the cash register. What would Bulger cost……3-4 Million, Max?……what is Skelton getting…..couple hundred K, maybe? We need a European/British soccer rule…….where if you get so bad, you are demoted out of the league. Yeah, my worst nightmare……Bulger/Skelton behind one of the 3 or 4 worst O-lines in the L.

    If the Cards want to win, then Gabbert if he is available……try to build an O-line that would rate in the top 1/4……..we are talking MONEY……..and every DIME is coming out of the owners pocket. Likewise, every dime that isn’t paid to a quality QB and to a Good O-line COMES GOES INTO THE OWNERS POCKET. Which way will the Cards go?……..which way have they gone in the past?……SAME ANSWER?

  20. By drummer-1 on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    @ Bill L

    If Bulger/Skelton will get killed behind the O-line, wouldn’t the same hold true about Gabbert… If we can build O-line with Gabbert why not with Bulger/Skelton, I don’t understand you point…Mybe it’s rant to get Gabbert..

  21. By bluepitt on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    “Then again, you don’t know if that QB is going to be a franchise guy (see Leinart, Matt — among others). ” hahaha We are not going to let the Matt thing go down in the books as all Matts fault Darren, he got screwed, You know it, I know it, and the world knows it!!!!!! LOL

  22. By brad oneill on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    gabbert and newton arent ready to start and with a shortened preseason it looks like they probably wont have time to get ready. The only way i would take either of them is if we had a veteran qb in place and had time to build.

    we have skelton I say go with him and trust that free agency will eventually bring us a bonafide starter. If we put a ton of money into a first round qb we are betting far more than one season on that guy. We would be risking 2011, fitzgerald and would probably lose any momentum this team still has left from the last couple of years.

  23. By Scott H on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    Nicholas –
    I think comparing Kolb to DA is absolutely idiotic. Kolb definitely has one thing DA does not – a future. Kolb is apparently thought of very highly by several of the teams very badly in need of a QB right now, including the Cardinals. I would think there must be a very good reason for that, wouldn’t you? For some reason, I don’t think a lot of teams are lining up for Derek Anderson.

    I love these “fans” who think they know more than people who are actually employed in the business of running NFL teams…

  24. By Darren Urban on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Leinart

    Until he re-emerges — if he re-emerges — as a franchise guy, he was not able to be a franchise guy. Exactly how does that fall on anyone else if he doesn’t make it anywhere?

  25. By Kurt on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    Darren:

    The Ben over Fitz is a very sad comparison, the Cards are luckythat they don’t have to deal with Ben’s off the feald sexual antics. Fitz has a true value to the community and team.

  26. By bluepitt on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    I just don’t see how he got the chance to be a franchise guy, his situation is was different than… lets say J.Russel or R. Leaf. And you said ” how does that fall on anyone else if he doesn’t make it anywhere?” exactly!!! so lets not say he is not franchise material! When he had the chance to become a franchise guy here he got screwed by, Whiz, Graves, or Ownership not wanting to pay…It is one or the other. We got 4 W’s from Matt in his rooky year… one less than this whole season. I’m willing to bet he is not done yet! and hope he plays in our division…lol Setting records and having a 4-7 rook year is franchise material, especially here in AZ with the team he was playing on! Oh and if Whiz thinks he is not franchise material, let’s do exactly the opposite …. remember he didn’t want Big BEN!!!!!!! hahahaha

  27. By Darren Urban on Apr 16, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Franchise guy

    That’s where we disagree. If he fails in Arizona but is successful elsewhere, obviously the Cards blew it. But you are saying the only reason he wasn’t it in Arizona was because he was screwed over? Really?

    As for your other point, we will see if he gets a chance elsewhere. I find it hard to believe, if teams think he can be a franchise guy, that multiple teams wouldn’t be jumping at the chance to sign him this offseason. We will see if that proves to be true.

  28. By Bill L on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    Kubiak on Matt from a FoxSports interview;

    :Although Matt Leinart was the third-string quarterback for the Houston Texans throughout the 2010 season, he impressed Texans coach Gary Kubiak according to Adam Caplan of FoxSports.com.

    “It’s huge,” Kubiak said about Leinart’s upside. “He’s got the ‘it’ factor. People follow him and just watching him come here with us, where he was when he walked in the door, what he had been through and watching the confidence that he’s walking around this building with this past week as we prepared to play our last game, either we’re going to get him or somebody else is going to get a hell of a quarterback. I think he is going to be a fine, fine player.”

    Couldn’t be mistaken for Whiz, Now could it. Maybe it was Matt, MAYBE IT WAS WHIZ, maybe it was Matt with Whiz…….but, Kubiak has taken that Whiz BS off of Matt to atleast some degree…….better footwork than anyone in this draft, better decision making than anyone in the draft, more accurate than anyone in the draft……..and NOW an IT FACTOR, from whiz’s bs no snap….and, he won’t cost $50 Million or a 1st round pick plus…….don’t bet on Matt not getting a fair chance……..and I wouldn’t bet against Matt taking full advantage.

  29. By Darren Urban on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    Bill L —

    RE: Leinart

    You may be right. We will see.

  30. By bluepitt on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    I hope I’m wrong, I truly do!!! But I have this sinking feeling I’m not. I’m not saying the only reason he was not “The Guy” in AZ is he got screwed. I will break down my thoughts for you on the Cards over the last couple of years, and you can critique my assment. Believe it or not I do respect your opinion almost as much as my own. .lol (hehe)

    On Mattie,
    I don’t follow NCAA Football at all, I mean not what so ever. On draft day when we picked Matt I didn’t care one way or the other, I was just your average Cards fan used to loosing. When Matt held out, I lost what little respect and pity I had for him for being Drafted by my lowly Cards. You go 10th you get 10th $ in my opinion. I called him “Cry Baby Mat” He came in and played.. to be honest very well for the O line we had. I was still on the Warner band wagon, But none the less Matt did very well. He balled VS Chi town I was there for the Monday night Meltdown. But I always new Warner was 3 times the QB as Matt at the time.
    Matt eventually lost his job to a HOF player in Warner, Let me now give you my assumption on why Warner did so well with the Cards.(it plays in to the Matt thing)

    Warner:
    Warner had his earliest success in the Arena League, Being A EX Arena player (not a great one but a player) I do know the sport very well.
    In the Arena all you need is a great WR and a QB that can get the ball out super fast, and plays his best when forced to think on his feet. If you have just these 2 things, you are bowel bound.
    With Iowa, Warner was and had the 2 criteria, He was forged in the Arena, and carried his skills to the NFL, If you watch Warner he is at his best Playing from his heals in a dire situation (like every play in the AFL) when you give Warner time he will throw picks and dying duck passes. The Rams had a run heavy O line, not great at pass blocking, Warner thrived. Sound like AZ’s O line? Go back and look at Warner’s greatest plays here in AZ, you will find most if not all were when being pressured heavily. If you try and frustrate Warner he will tear you apart, because he was under heavy pressure in the AFL every time he dropped back to let her rip. If you gave Warner time he would throw pick’s and self destruct! Hence the Quick speed of our O.

    Matt: He needs time to pick you apart, or at least while he is young and learning the ins and outs of being a QB in the NFL. If you had told me Whiz had let Matt go because he is a pocket passer and we could not make a pocket for him to pass out of, I would be pissed but understand the situation. No need to crap on him, and go with a Joke QB (Anderson).

    When Warner retired Matt inherited one of the worst O lines in the NFL, He was not destined to succeed here in AZ with the Line we have. I do think that with Matt this year we would have won the West once more. Is Matt a bust?
    No he is not, Bust’s don’t hold rook records and do what I witnessed him do to the beast D in the NFL and SB runners up in 06 (CHI).
    Whiz has a history of not being able to click with SB caliber QB’s, See Big BEN heck even Warner in the beginning! ( Warner is not a selfish Player like Ben so the problem was defused quickly with Whiz and Warner, Warner Pleased Whiz by doing what he was told.) This tells me one thing…If Whiz doesn’t get along with the QB keeeeep HIMMMMMM! He likes Anderson, Hall and Skelton. Granted the jury is still out on Hall and Skelton, But look at the Qb’s he clashed with, Big Ben, Warner and Matt… //////

  31. By drummer-1 on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    @ Bill L

    Ryan Leaf got that it factor, J. Russel got that it factor, Alex Smith got that it factor,Jimmy Clauson got that it factor.. What is that it factor? being 2nd or 3rd string holding a clipboard thats IT. Matt was here 2 years before Whiz got here and couldn’t hold on to the starting job, blame Whiz if you want, but Matt’s not here anymore you guys need to let it go..

  32. By bluepitt on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H,
    First You Say:
    “Nicholas –
    I think comparing Kolb to DA is absolutely idiotic. Kolb definitely has one thing DA does not – a future. Kolb is apparently thought of very highly by several of the teams very badly in need of a QB right now, including the Cardinals. I would think there must be a very good reason for that, wouldn’t you? For some reason, I don’t think a lot of teams are lining up for Derek Anderson.”

    Then You Say:
    “I love these “fans” who think they know more than people who are actually employed in the business of running NFL teams…”

    Are you Employed by an NFL Team?
    If not then dont throw rocks in your glass house!!!!!!!!!!!
    This is a blog It is made for those
    “fans” who think they know more than people who are actually employed in the business of running NFL teams…”
    To give their opinions, bag stupid, or good.

  33. By Bill L on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    @Drummer-1

    Yeah, just about any QB would have a problem behind the O-line as constituted. MY POINT is, are the Cards trying to build to a truly competetive team OR NOT. Taking Gabbert would be COSTLY in the short and long run if he is between a Flacco and a Stafford, he may have to sit a year with NO Return. It would be Silly to play him year one behind that line. They would probably need another DA to take the hits….MORE expense….will they commit to building.

    Whereas they could take a Miller/Peterson to put on BillBoards and Program covers for a few years along with Fitz(if he stays) and let the rest of the team be bottom 3 or 4 to pocket the TV cash.

    Taking Gabbert would be a sign that the Cards Ownership wants a quality team…….not a guarantee……just a sign. If they took Gabbert, sat him a year, Used their second on the O-line and a 1st and 2nd next year, signed their good FAs…….then I could believe they want to BUILD a consistent contender……ala SF.

  34. By cardsalltheway on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    I forgot the team we practiced with last year. Whoever it was I remember their coach protecting his QB when a Cardinal player hit(soft touch) him when touching the QB was not allowed. That’s what I call a good coach! When I heard about that I was reminded of an early preseason practice when D. Docket hit Matt Leinart, put him to the ground if I’m not mistaken when hitting the QB was not allowed(Matt didn’t look amused). Ken W. didn’t protect M. Leinart and that was pretty obvious in his statement afterward and offensive line he supplied M. Leinart with during preseason. Ken W. doesn’t seem to know how to handle QB’s, maybe he holds a grudge against them for not throwing to him enough during his playing days.
    Any chance the Cardinals sign Matt Leinart to a Free Agent contract this year at a much lower price than what they would’ve paid had they kept him last year and had he led us to the playoffs?
    I’m not for any Quarterback “GROOMING,” if the Cards draft a QB put hiim in the game if he’s good enough as there’s enough evidence that studying or being “GROOMED” under a future HOF quarterback like Kurt Warner wasn’t good enough for coach Ken W.
    I vision the Cardinals in the Super Bowl behind J. Skelton against another team led by Matt Leinart. I suppose I’d get the highest odds on that Super Bowl match-up, can I create my own bets in Vegas before the season begins? On that thought I wonder what the odds are the season begins on time?

  35. By Peter in Canada on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    If Kubiak was so impressed how come he never played a down.

  36. By Mario on Apr 17, 2011 | Reply

    The “it factor”…yeah, it’s called the sense of entitlement factor.

  37. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Whiz and QBs

    Some of my thoughts on your thoughts — I don’t know if I’d say Whisenhunt “likes” Anderson. I think that oversimplifies the situation. They wanted a veteran QB to back up Matt last offseason, and Anderson was the choice. I do not believe at the time Anderson was brought in to be the starter. The way Whisenhunt coaches — everyone, not just QBs — is to challenge them to be better. Sometimes it comes across as butting heads.

    Again, I come back to two points: Maybe Leinart will fade away and maybe not. Impossible to fully analyze he situation until Leinart’s career is better defined. As for the other point, Whisenhunt isn’t going to sabotage his chance at winning. If he thinks a QB can help him win, he’s going to find a way to make the relationship work.

  38. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    bluepitt —

    RE: Whiz and QBs

    Some of my thoughts on your thoughts — I don’t know if I’d say Whisenhunt “likes” Anderson. I think that oversimplifies the situation. They wanted a veteran QB to back up Matt last offseason, and Anderson was the choice. I do not believe at the time Anderson was brought in to be the starter. The way Whisenhunt coaches — everyone, not just QBs — is to challenge them to be better. Sometimes it comes across as butting heads.

    Again, I come back to two points: Maybe Leinart will fade away and maybe not. Impossible to fully analyze he situation until Leinart’s career is better defined. As for the other point, Whisenhunt isn’t going to sabotage his chance at winning. If he thinks a QB can help him win, he’s going to find a way to make the relationship work.

  39. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    cardsall —

    RE: Leinart returning

    I see no chance Matt coming back. Don’t forget, he was offered the opportunity to stick around as the backup to Anderson (and was told, from what I heard, not only by the team but some of his own people that he’d probably end up playing — which of course he would have) and he just wanted out. Even if the team wanted him back, I don’t see Matt having any interest.

  40. By Matt in Philly on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Still not sure why anyone thinks that Gabbert is a good pick at #5. As we’ve learned from busts like Vince Young and Matt Leinart, if you’re taking a QB in the first 10 picks, you better be darn sure he’s going to work out. Gabbert may turn out to be a great QB, but it’s not worth the risk of using the fifth pick on him. Moreover, I can’t understand why anyone is putting Gabbert ahead of Mallett in their projections as an NFL quarterback.

    Mallett’s stats in college blow Gabbert’s out of the water (go check them out). Mallett played in a pro-style offense, while Gabbert never lined up less than 7 yards behind center. Neither could wrap up their bowl games this year (Mallett losing to Ohio State, Gabbert losing to the 7-5 Hawkeyes).

    If Von Miller isn’t available at #5, my dream draft would be to trade down to take DE Aldon Smith out of Missouri, picking up another 2nd rounder. Use the first 2nd round pick to take Ryan Mallett, use the second to take safety Quicy Carter out of Oklahoma. Then use the rest of the picks to shore up the O-line. This strategy would give us a good QB prospect in Mallett, a great pass rusher to line up opposite Schofield in Smith, and a real safety to back up Wilson.

  41. By frankie Garza on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    DARREN,

    What you think about my 1st-3rd round picks for us.

    1) Patrick Peterson
    2) Kyle Rudolph
    3) OT not sure who but this position.

    Patrick peterson because of our strong need of defensive help and von miller should be taken he is second best.

    Kyle Rudolph because of our horrible play at tight end he is a sollid blocker ok speed great hands a possible 1st round pick and will have an imediate impact on our team i also feel he could take the pressure off our recievers another geat target.

  42. By drummer-1 on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Bluepitt, This is your comment..Whiz has a history of not being able to click with SB caliber QB’s, See Big BEN heck even Warner in the beginning! ( Warner is not a selfish Player like Ben so the problem was defused quickly with Whiz and Warner, Warner Pleased Whiz by doing what he was told.)

    The statment, Warner is not selfish like Ben, tells me Ben had a problem with authority.. Whiz is the coach you suppose to do what he tell you to do..so the problem lies with Ben not coach Whiz… If your boss told you to do something and you refuse, do you think you’ll still keep your job? If Matt is this so called franchise player why is he a 3rd stringer on the Texans? If P.Manning or Brady was let go and picked up by the Texan,do you think anyone of them would be 3rd string..

  43. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Frankie —

    RE: Draft projections

    Not sure Rudolph lasts that long. And not sure the Cards can afford not to get a linebacker in the first three picks.

  44. By Bigtom on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Darren –

    Did you see the QB Camp with Gruden on ESPN? He was interviewing and talking with Cam Newton. Now I will admit, I thought that if we needed a QB badly enough to draft one, that he might as well be it since he has the ability to run and a is big enough to take a hit, but…

    After watching him in that interview and few others he has done, I’m not sure that taking him as a QB option would be right. He never looked Jon in the eye, always kinda muffled his answers and never looked focused on the whole thing.

    What do you think?

  45. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Bigtom —

    RE: Newton/Gruden

    Didn’t see it. But I don’t think he will be drafted based on his talk with Gruden. Hopefully teams will look a little deeper than that.

  46. By Andrew on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Darren-

    I know this is a little bit off topic but how do Ken and the others view the kind of season Dan Williams had in limited action?

    Do you think(barring any strange events) that he will be the unquestioned starter going into this year or does the organization still think he needs more time to develop his technique?

  47. By Darren Urban on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Andrew —

    RE: Dan Williams

    I think Williams will clearly be the front-runner to start, but nothing is ever unquestioned in terms of the depth chart.

  48. By cards62 on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    QB talk

    I have seen several mock drafts and the ones I like best have us taking Peterson or Von MIller and Gabbert falling to the 49ers. The other drafts have the 49ers selecting either Von Miller or Peterson. No sure thing in the draft, but if you ask me today who I wish the 49ers would select of those 3 players I have to tell you I hope they end up with Gabbert.

    Frankie Z. I like your draft a lot and I hope Darren is wrong about Rudolph being available, but I agree with Darren that we take a LB in round 3 and OL in rounds 4 and 5. I think the OL is deeper in the draft than LB.

    Hey Cardinal fans do you think we should trade down if Peterson or Von Miller are available at # 5 for extra picks or just select eithe one of them at # 5?

    Thanks and go Cardinals

  49. By Scott H on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    BluePitt-

    No, I’m not employed by an NFL team. Now what? I’m also not the one making the declaration that Kolb is “as bad as derek Anderson” and / or that he can’t make a difference here. Listen to your own advice, dude – have your own opinion and let me have mine. I’m NOT saying that Kolb is definitely the answer or that he is definitely the real deal. I have no basis for that. By the same token, there is no basis for anyone to say anything definite to the contrary. Kolb is quite unproven at this point. IN MY OPINION, he is unproven but has a tremendous up-side. He’ll probably be a starter somewhere next year. Then, we’ll know.

    But I think comparing Kolb to Anderson is just….it makes no sense to me. Really. Kolb has not played a lot in his career and is un-proven. Anderson has played several years as a starter in the NFL at this point and he is VERY proven. He stinks. How do you compare those two guys??? I think what I was reacting to in the post I responded to was the statement “Will all the Cardinals fans please get off the Kolb bandwagon.” Well, that comes across to me as someone telling me that if I want Kolb, then I don’t know what I’m talking about. Trouble is, the person saying that doesn’t really know any more than I do. So, again, you pick your bandwagons and I’ll pick mine. In the end, we’re ALL on the Cardinals bandwagon, aren’t we?

  50. By Michael M on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    -Darren

    Do you see the Cardinals drafting a running back in the later rounds of the draft, there is some talent at running back in the draft
    (John Clay, Kendall Hunter, Jacquizz Rodgers, Dion Lewis, Demarco Murray, Daniel Thomas)

    Also, Justin Houston is a good linebacker from Georgia

    could you see the Cardinals trading down for a 1 and 2 get a DE(aldon smith, robert quinn) then use the one of the 2 rd picks on a linebacker then an offensive lineman, maybe even mallet or ponder,

    the rams would be a good team to trade with in my mind because they want julio jones and probably would want to move up if they had the chance to get in front of clevland

  51. By Michael M on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    Also maybe even corner,

    hopefully if brandon harris falls out of the first round we could get him

  52. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    @cards62,

    Hey Cardinal fans do you think we should trade down if Peterson or Von Miller are available at # 5 for extra picks or just select eithe one of them at # 5?

    Personally I’d have the draft card in the second the Bengals pick at #4 if Gabbert is still available but to answer your question about Miller and Peterson I’d say no, unless they really like Quinn and don’t move anywhere lower than #10. OLB is about as big of a need for us as QB and while I’m not completely sold on Miller I can’t see passing on him either.

  53. By drummer-1 on Apr 18, 2011 | Reply

    @Bluepitt.

    Another thing about Whiz, You say he has a history not clicking with superbowl QB’s, the 2 you are talking about are the same 2 he led to a superbowl.. So i must assume Whiz knows a little about what he’s doing,and they should listen to him.They both gave in to Whiz’s stubborness and look where it took them, to a superbowl..

  54. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    “If he thinks a QB can help him win, he’s going to find a way to make the relationship work.”
    I see that, When Warner steped in Whiz pulled the leash as tight as he could, but eventualy he had to let Warner Play his game….and we WON!!!!

  55. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    @ drummur-1

    1st. Warner Is/Was the most non selfish player to grace the NFL, Whiz’s problems with Ben was the fact Ben Would not stick to the Play whiz called, he would audible out of it and make big plays it was the same power trip crap Whiz does all the time!!!…Ben did have a crappy attitude!
    Let me ask you this drummer… With out Big Ben the Squeelers don’t get the W over the Cards in the big game! And don’t make this years SB VS GB… I don’t care if Ben was the problem ..LOOK AT THE SB’S HE HAS “BEN” IN!!!! When push came to shove Whiz didn’t get the HC job in Pitt But, BEN is STILL THERE!!!!!!

    2nd,I never said he was a franchise guy dip $hit
    If you followed my comments the closest I said to franchise guy was
    “I just don’t see how he got the chance to be a franchise guy” try and actually read my comments!
    you said
    “If Matt is this so called franchise player why is he a 3rd stringer on the Texans? If P.Manning or Brady was let go and picked up by the Texan,do you think anyone of them would be 3rd string..”

    1st,
    “If Matt is this so called franchise player why is he a 3rd stringer on the Texans?”
    Really Dude, Mat came in to back up the back up the coach from the texans wanted him knowing he hasn’t and will not pick up the O in a week prior to the season!
    2nd,
    ” If P.Manning or Brady was let go and picked up by the Texan,do you think anyone of them would be 3rd string..”
    Yes I do, the texans have a darn good QB down there (4700 yards in 2010 and 4300 yds in 2011) and if your big guns were picked up a week before the season started (as was Matt) they would have a 3 year disadvantage to Schaub, and training camp disadvantage to Orlovsky GET A CLUE DONT COME AT ME WITH A 10yr childs old arguments!.
    I have a good one for you(kind of like yours to me) if the world ends in 2012 do the Pats still owe brady his pay? ……….GET REAL DUDE!

  56. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    I find it funny how people say Matt had all of the chanced to win the job from a HOF caliber player.
    In 06 he played 12 games as a rook and did extremely well with the line given to him. set a couple rook records!!!
    In 07 the dude broke his collar bone but he wasn’t doing so great “softmore slump”? nope he doesn’t get that benefit O line still sucks! And he still had a 68.9% QB rating.
    In 08 Finally lost the battle to Warner a HOFer in my book. so please tell me how he hot his chance? To loose to Warner is no disgrace. If you look it up, When warner started for us at ASU we had one of the top rated passing teams in the NFL, We just couldn’t find a way to keep him upright, and he fumbled a bunch, with the fumbles fixed a better line I dont think Manning or Brady would have the skills needed to play and lead us to a SB with our O-line.
    ONCE MORE MATT IS GONE, I HATE THE WAY WHIZ DDI IT, I DONT THINK HE EVER HAD A TRUE CHANCE WITH WHIZ TO SHOW HIS STUFF!!!!!!
    I’m done in this blog, its old we can continue this in a newer blog……

  57. By Darren Urban on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    Michael M —

    RE: Trading up/down

    It’s always easy to say, “Let’s trade down.” Much harder to find a team that wants to trade up. Your plan makes sense, assuming someone wants to move up.

    As for RB, it’s possible, but for me, RB is way down the priority list.

  58. By Louisville Card on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, I’m feeling sorry for you not sure why we are still talking about Leinert last I heard he’s still a third stringer and not on our team. All you fans that are still on the leinert bandwagon go post on the Houston website sure they would love to talk leinert or move on….we need some positivity if we ever hope to get any better. The strike needs to end soon so we can actually have some meaningful football to talk about!!!!

  59. By drummer-1 on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    @ Bluepittt.. you say i come at you with a 10yr old child argument..Yet i asked you football questions,yet you resort to names calling, to be a grown man that is very childish, answer the question and move on, if you can’t handle people disagreeing with you don’t come here and make comments..

    I know you really don’t believe Manning or Brady would be 3rd string….p.s. Matt couldn’t even beat their 2nd string QB..

    DUDE GET REAL…

  60. By drummer-1 on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    @ Louisville Card..

    Nice post,
    I think Leinart had plenty of chances to become the guy, he just didn’t have it in him…He’s gone now lets move on..

  61. By Scott H on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    Can we move on from Matt Leinart??? He’s gone. Doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong. He’s gone. And we have bigger things to worry about.

  62. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    Scotth,
    haha its funny how I couldnt agree with your opinion more, but disagreed to your ending statment
    “I love these “fans” who think they know more than people who are actually employed in the business of running NFL teams…”
    that is more than an opinion thats slaming some one for having a simple opinion, and not even an opinion on your opinion. that was my only point….

  63. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    @ drummer-1
    You said
    “Another thing about Whiz, You say he has a history not clicking with superbowl QB’s, the 2 you are talking about are the same 2 he led to a superbowl.. So i must assume Whiz knows a little about what he’s doing,and they should listen to him.They both gave in to Whiz’s stubborness and look where it took them, to a superbowl..”
    Are you 4 real?????
    Whiz wanted Ben Gone!!!! Ben changed plays as he pleased even with whiz pissn and moaning!!!!! Whiz didnt lead anyone to a SB!!!!!
    Chower lead the Steelers to a SB!!!!!! Oh did they go to SB’s after whiz? Oh yes they did….
    And Warner lead US to the SB!!! that is a fact! Warner and Todd! Whiz inherited denny’s talent! This is a known fact! Whiz is a better manager than denny, but Denny stacked our team! Now that denny’s talent is gone, you know those core players whiz and graves insisted they would keep, we are who I said we were! look it up, I called out our 5 win season in week 2 go back and look it up!
    THEN YOU SAY:
    “I know you really don’t believe Manning or Brady would be 3rd string….p.s. Matt couldn’t even beat their 2nd string QB..”

    Yes I do, if you look up the stats Matt shuab had more yards than Manning and Brady, and went to the pro bowl going in to last year, If you followed the story The coach told Matt he would pick him up for insurance purposes only and he would remain 3rd string, unless shaub or orvlousky got hurt, if you know football you know the 3rd stringer does not get reps with even the second string, and is hopeless to move up baring an injury! So when you say Matt couldn’t even beat their 2nd string, shows me 2 things.
    1.) You didn’t follow the story when the coach said he wouldn’t compete for backup.
    2.) You are clueless when it comes to actually playing football, When you arrive on a team that has had all camps, Spring training and 3 preseason games not to mention a 4700yd passer the year before, the line up at that point is actually set in stone baring injury!
    You get real!!!!
    I find it funny how it takes 2 future hall of fame players in Manning and Brady for you to beat out the 3rd string QB for the texans! hahaha Like I said YOU GET REAL!
    I answered your football questions even when you put words in my mouth, like how I said he was a franchise QB…..
    PS: How Was That Whizade Last Year?

  64. By bluepitt on Apr 19, 2011 | Reply

    @Louisville Card
    Louisville Card I’m feeling sorry for you, not sure why you dont understand why we are still talking about Leinert, hahah
    Well if you would pay attention Leinert was brought up in the blog!

    I am not on the leinart band wagon, I don’t have to move on. Then in the same post you say “The strike needs to end soon so we can actually have some meaningful football to talk about!!!!”

    So in till we have some meaningful football to talk about, Ill talk about what ever I want daddy, if that’s ok with you! I lost butt loads of $ last year watching that crap Whiz put on the field, I dare one of you to tell me we wouldn’t have won our lowly division with Leinart! Just wining over 7 games would have validated my season tickets! Heck in 12 games as a rook Leinart won 4 games! tell me he couldn’t have won the 4 heart wrenching close games we lost due to 5yd passes sailing 10 yards over our WR’s heads!

  65. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 20, 2011 | Reply

    @Bluepitt,

    A few of your comments that aren’t exactly accurate:

    1.) You didn’t follow the story when the coach said he wouldn’t compete for backup.

    According to this article in USA Today he was given a chance

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/09/matt-leinarts-deal-with-houston-texans-comes-with-giant-paycut/1

    Whiz inherited denny’s talent! This is a known fact!

    Not really, no. Granted, Warner was here since 2005, but it wasn’t until the Whiz cleaned up his careless ball handling that he began to play like he did in STL. Many of the others, like DD, Dansby, Lutui, were chronic underachievers until the Whiz and his staff arrived. Even the crown jewel of Green’s tenure, Fitz, was pushed to higher levels by Haley. Wilson and Boldin were already here prior to Green’s arrival and even with only one year with the team prior to the Super Bowl appearance many of the younger players brought on board (Brown, Sendlein, Breaston, DRC) made significant contributions.

    Whiz wanted Ben Gone!!!! Ben changed plays as he pleased even with whiz pissn and moaning!!!!! Whiz didnt lead anyone to a SB!!!!!

    Not sure where you get that info from. Big Ben did respond very negatively to the Whiz stating the obvious, that his motorcycle accident affected his play the following season, but it’s no secret that Roethlisberger’s first Super Bowl win was largely in spite of him, not because of him, and many of the vets on that team (Porter, for one) called him out in team meetings.

    2.) You are clueless when it comes to actually playing football, When you arrive on a team that has had all camps, Spring training and 3 preseason games not to mention a 4700yd passer the year before, the line up at that point is actually set in stone baring injury

    You’d think, and while the situations aren’t exactly the same Leinart was going into his fourth training camp with the current staff, only had to beat out a vet brought in to be a back-up and two rookies, yet he managed to lose the starting job even in that scenario.

    I dare one of you to tell me we wouldn’t have won our lowly division with Leinart!

    Okay, we wouldn’t have won our lowly division with a mediocre QB, as we all witnessed. DA/Leinart, six of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither is going to lead anyone to a division title.

  66. By Scott H on Apr 20, 2011 | Reply

    BluePitt –

    Um…I’d like to respond…but I’m not sure what I’m responding to. You say ” that’s slamming someone for having simple opinion and not even an opinion on your opinion”….dude, what the hell are you talking about???

  67. By bluepitt on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    @mike Ellingboe
    I find it very funny how people cant read between the lines, in your article the last statement tells all and here it is:
    “Leinart’s contract includes an incentive of $23,125 for each game the Texans make him the backup. The maximum value of his one-year deal is $1 million.”
    So please give me the incentive for the Texans to bump matt up to 2nt string?
    And now give me the incentive to lave him at 3rd string back up?
    That is a simple no braner….

    “but it wasn’t until the Whiz cleaned up his careless ball handling that he began to play like he did in STL.” I don’t think so I was a season ticket holder when we played at ASU as well, Warner played from his back side. Hit on every play. that is why he couldn’t hold on to the ball.
    The Key Word here is Staff! not Whiz His staff is some of the best in the league.

    “Even the crown jewel of Green’s tenure, Fitz, was pushed to higher levels by Haley”
    I dis agree but the key word is Haley here not Whiz!
    Its funny how Fitz had the same yards in 05-06 as in 07-08 (SB year) 1409yds…
    “even with only one year with the team prior to the Super Bowl appearance many of the younger players brought on board (Brown, Sendlein, Breaston, DRC) made significant contributions.”
    You name 3 of the 20 people he has brought in, What about Porter & Fenica?
    Not improvements.

    I already stated that Whiz is a better manager than Denny, But it is kind of funny how with a predominantly Denny team went to the SB, with a few tweaks from Whiz’s staff.

    “but it’s no secret that Roethlisberger’s first Super Bowl win was largely in spite of him, not because of him, and many of the vets on that team (Porter, for one) called him out in team meetings.”
    I agree that’s very true, look up this statement! “If we could just settle him down and stop the scrambling,…he could stick to the play called” hahahaha
    Funny how when Whiz leves Ben is a SB winning scrambler in the fourth catching Francisco sleeping in the end zone. oh and how did they get to this years SB.. Ben’s last second scramble’s for TD’s..lol

    Whiz gave up on Ben just like ge gave up on Leinfart!

    “You’d think, and while the situations aren’t exactly the same Leinart was going into his fourth training camp with the current staff, only had to beat out a vet brought in to be a back-up and two rookies, yet he managed to lose the starting job even in that scenario.”

    You’d think that If he was told he was the “Guy” and praised in camp the whole camp I might add, He was sailing trough the pre season on auto pilot like Warner used to do, then all of the sudden boom! You are in a QB controversy! We will judge DA VS the scrubs and you VS the Starters with no protection at all! What he still put up better numbers than Anderson and still lost the starting job!!! Sounds like Whiz is at it again!

    “Okay, we wouldn’t have won our lowly division with a mediocre QB, as we all witnessed. DA/Leinart, six of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither is going to lead anyone to a division title.”

    haha All we needed was a QB who could hit a wide open player, Im sorry but Matt is a dink and dunk very accurate QB with a good mid ball, Anderson missed all the Dink and Dunk passes as well as mid passes, If you are serious that is sad. I never said Leinfart was the future, but I just don’t think he was given a shot like he was told last year, I have lost all respect for Whiz in the handling of the situation. It was disgusting how he did it! He gambled on a QB with a worse rating and history than Leinfart and lossed, he said hind sight’s 20/20 that tells me all I need to know.. The problem is, he gambled with my season ticket $, Granted if it was at least a 50/50 gamble I would have understood. I do find it funny how the Texans coach praised Matt this year and said nutn of orvlouskey, Kind of tells me he didn’t go to 2nd string due to management managing $. If I were an owner I would have left him at 3rd to save the $ going in to a CBA possible lock out year!

  68. By bluepitt on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    Ok lets end this thing,
    Do I think Leinart was the future of the cards at QB,I lean more to NO than Yes, You knever know when he finaly got the keys after studing from one of the best, His car got stolen.
    Was he god enough to lead the Cards to Division Titles in our Division?
    YES he was for the moment, while we find the future.
    (Career QBrat 70.8 & 57.1% to DA’s 68.8 and 52.6%)
    Is Leinart a Bust? Yet to be proven.
    Is Whiz a liar? Yes
    Does Whiz own it when he screws up? NO
    Is Whiz a good Coach? NO, but he is a great manager.
    Is Whiz a Great Play Caller? Heck NO
    Will Whiz do what it takes to Win, Even if he doesnt like it? NO
    Does Whiz have a chip on his shoulder with super star players?
    YES. See: Big Ben, Boldin, Warner.

  69. By bluepitt on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    FYI, last thing on leinart…
    Just looking up stats on Leinart and that rook Sam B.in STL.
    Rook Year to rook year,
    MATT at 12 games played: Rating 74.0
    SAM at 12 games played : Rating 74.7
    MATT at 12 games played: 56.8%
    SAM at 12 games played : 55.1%
    MATT at 12 games played: 2547yds
    SAM at 12 games played : 2653yds
    MATT 214 comp 377 att… 163 balls hit the ground
    SAM 354 comp 590 att…..236 balls hit the ground
    Matt Sack 21
    SAM Sack 24
    SAM WENT #1 over all so is he a bust?
    My point is simple SAM was 1 game out of wining the division with the same Numbers MATT had at 12 games. Matt does not have enough body of work to be judged properly. If “Whiz” did fix Warner to the STL days, then there is no shame in Matt loosing his job to a SB caliber QB! He came in to last year with 16 combined games starting under his belt, (minus 4 games of platuning with Warner) and 2 years of backing up Warner (12 games over 2 years backing up 1 year he had only 15 throws) Heck in the pre season GB smashed our starters and leinart came in and lit them up! not to mention his rook record for most yards by a rooky! We may not like him but the foundation is there!

  70. By drummer-1 on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    @ bluepitt…

    We understand you dislike Whiz, But if he had nothing to do with the cardinals getting to the suprebowl, why is it his fault the the team didn’t do so well this past year..If i’m not mistaking we had a better year 10-6 without Haley,following the superbowl…you say Leinart was promise the job, don’t you think you need to work for it, lolly gaging through camp is not going to get you a job, you have to Work for it.. nothing is just handed to you, thats his own fault… but believe what you want..

  71. By bluepitt on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    @drummer-1
    Whiz had a lot to do with us going to the SB, He Hired Lott, Haley & Grimm
    When Whiz called the plays in his first year it was a upgrade to the last resheme, but that is where Whiz’s play calling skills end. With out a Warner, Boldin & Fitz combo Whiz is “who I thought he was” Warner made the crappy Whiz play calling work there is your 10-6. Did you know that Warner Opted out of at least half of the called plays? look it up on NFL.com it is in the Vids of one of his interviews
    ———————————————————————————————–

    “why is it his fault the the team didn’t do so well this past year”
    It is his fault because of the simple reasons I have gone over several times.

    1.) His play calling skill is reviled when he doesn’t have a:
    Big Ben, Bettis, Killer D, or a Warner, Fitz & Boldin

    2.) He let our QB go over $, and some comments to reporters, Thus dooming our season. He didnt even look at a quality QB to help when Anderson Stunk it up, I can name a couple from the UFL who are 100% better than Anderson!

    3.) He got rid of one of our SB linemen (Wells) for a Steeler who is on the downward slide of his career.

    4.) His stubbornness with the pass when we had the 6th ranked yards per carry back field in the NFL. And NO a 14 point deficit going in to the 3rd DOES NOT WARRANT PASS< PASS< PASS<!!!!!!!!!

    5.) He failed to get his team to play as a team the whole year!
    If he is head coach then that falls on him!! There was No discipline in that team!

    6.) When he lost so much respect over the handling of the Matt deal with the general public, ( and he did not over the loss of matt but over how he did it) imagine how much he lost in the locker room?

    ———————————————————————————————–

    "you say Leinart was promise the job, don’t you think you need to work for it, lolly gagging through camp is not going to get you a job, you have to Work for it.. nothing is just handed to you, that's his own fault…"

    Whiz praised him on his Ota's and Camp look it up!!!! "he's our guy" follow the story…"Mats done extremely well in these OTA's" or " I think Matt is having a great camp. one of his best if not the best" "Hes out throwing passes in the heat to some of the rookies,preparing them working on the timing" Now tell me Im wrong and Ill provide links from this very site to prove it!
    Look at the playing time Matt got compared to Anderson in the preseason. Matt's numbers were twice as good as Anderson's, with half the playing time and being sacked due to lack of protection, Anderson was going at the second team the first 2 games, He had better do well!
    I think it is funny how I'm Pi$$ed about the unknown and never said he was this HOF player, but all you haters just know he sucks! Well if he lights it up wont you guys look stupid? And if he does poorly I wont look Stupid, I never said he was Moses, I just simply said he didn't get his chance!
    Im done…It is what it is!

  72. By drummer-1 on Apr 21, 2011 | Reply

    @ Bluepitt…

    Dude you need to get a life or hobby, you write way to much scrap.. i don’t think anyone read it all..but i’ll stoop to your level, give leinart a hug for me..

    guess what no matter how much you dislike Whiz he is still the cardinals coach,if you don’t like it don’t watch the team..Go coach Whiz,Get the players you want.. nite nite john boy…..

  73. By bluepitt on Apr 22, 2011 | Reply

    @drummer-1
    1st I have a life and a verry nice one, I am financially free to spend my time Pi$$ing and moaning in here. No one said you had to read my “scrap” (but when someone attacks my post structure, it lets me know you have no valid points to my argument) “Give leinart a hug for me” “nite nite john boy…..” back with the 10yr old crap…lol Showing me you have no valid comments opposing my thought’s.

    “guess what no matter how much you dislike Whiz he is still the cardinals coach,if you don’t like it don’t watch the team”

    Yes Whiz is our coach as was Dennis Green, Buddy Ryan, Dave McGinnis, Vince Tobin, Joe Bugel, Hank Kuhlmann & Gene Stallings.
    There have been 36 head coaches for the Cardinals franchise since it became a professional team in 1920, The most in the NFL, se a trend here?
    I will support my team till the end, that does not mean I have to support the Coach, or not call him out when I think he screws up. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT DON’T READ MY POSTS!!!

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