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A few final words to mock

Posted by Darren Urban on April 28, 2011 – 8:22 am

The first round of the draft is tonight, and so, I thought I’d take a quick moment to talk about what might be going on. For the first time in a long time, I won’t have a full first-round mock. To be truthful, with the Cards picking so high, I just don’t know enough of what may be happening after, say, the 10th pick. And I’ve had some other things going on too. Anyway, on to the draft.

OK, here’s what we know:

(See what I did there?)

Here’s what we think we know, based on all the millions of bits of information floating out there, the misinformation floating out there, and the meshing of both which will leave some things happening exactly as expected and others scratching our head (google Tyson Alualu):

1) The Panthers will probably take Cam Newton. 2) The Broncos seem to be leaning to Von Miller, although they seem ready to trade out, and there is scuttlebutt the Redskins might want to trade up for Blaine Gabbert. 3) The Bills seem to be ready to take Miller, or Newton, or Marcel Dareus, depending who drops. 4) Gabbert could fall quickly. 5) The Bengals probably go offense. 6) Most teams in the top five seem willing to trade down, if someone is willing to trade up, which is always the issue. 7) There are so many quarterbacks seemingly equal in stature it looks like the teams that need them are more willing to wait until the top of round two instead of pulling the trigger on one early.

In other words, there’s uncertainty, although it’s a controlled uncertainty in many ways. Said Cardinals general manager Rod Graves, “The top 10 players are the top 10 players. We may have them out of order a little bit from team to team, but you are still talking about the same guys. Beyond that, it’s a little more dicey.” So here are my thoughts on the top five picks:

  1. Carolina: QB Cam Newton. At this point, it’d be a surprise if it wasn’t Newton, although Dareus could sneak in, I suppose. Newton is anything but a guarantee, but at the same time, it’s a swing-for-the-fences pick.
  2. Denver: LB Von Miller. Those covering the Broncos seem pretty sure about this, although I get the sense the Broncos would like to trade. Dareus would seem a definite possibility, since new coach John Fox always loved to build up front the best he can and the team is transitioning from a 3-4 to a 4-3 (and Miller doesn’t seem to fit that quite as well).
  3. Buffalo: DT Marcell Dareus. Miller and Newton have been the two teams linked to the Bills this whole pre-draft time, and in my scenario, both are gone. Would Peterson or Blaine Gabbert be possible?
  4. Cincinnati: QB Blaine Gabbert. My gut is telling me they go WR A.J. Green, but people closer to the team think they may pull the trigger on Gabbert. I think they may go Green and try and get that second-round QB. Either way, time to find out if Mike Brown is willing to call Carson Palmer’s retirement bluff (although I’m not so sure it’s a bluff).
  5. Arizona: CB Patrick Peterson. If this is the scenario, I think the Cards would look long and hard at both Peterson and Green. If this is the scenario, the Cards may have some decent trade-down options too. If Gabbert is on the board with Peterson (let’s say Green was Cincy’s pick), that will also give pause, although I personally think defense would win out.

One other thing: A handful of coaches will attend today’s draft party, starting at 4 p.m. at the Great Lawn at University of Phoenix Stadium. They will be assistant head coach Russ Grimm, new defensive coordinator Ray Horton, offensive coordinator Mike Miller and strength and conditioning coach John Lott.

P.S. I love you, Dad.


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38 Responses to “A few final words to mock”

  1. By Phoenixraven1 on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Here we go!

  2. By D on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Cincy could really screw up AZ’s draft if they trade out….it’s going to be fun to watch, also AZ has to worry about what player they pass that may end up in SF

  3. By David Corcoran on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Hope you’re doing ok Darren, there’s far more important things to life than the NFL Draft. Great work as always.

  4. By carlo7000 on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    thank you darren
    i think peterson and green could be our best option..i think i sright to draft impact players…then we can fill the spot with free agent..we need playmakers because normally our organization doesnt spend big money for impact players free agent

  5. By Jake on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    I really hope we do get peterson, a shutdown cb can allow for a dc to send the heavy rush without as much risk. I’m hoping we get a Dalton or mallet in the second round if they reach us.

  6. By Nick Pepe on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren

    Here is my take on the top five picks:

    1) Newton 2) Dareus 3) Miller 4) Green 5) Petersonn (or trade down)
    I think Newton is too big of a gamble to take at # 1 but it seems to be a done deal. Dareus and Miller fill needs to the respective teams. Green is too good for Cincy to pass on and they will address their QB situation later in draft or FA. The Cards get highest rated player in the draft in Peterson unless someone offers a Godfather deal….an offer they can’t refuse.

    Gabbert could likely draw interest from Tenn or Wash, making it possible that they want to leap frog SF to nab him. That could put the Cardinals in positiion to move down a couple spots to #8 or #10, get an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd round and then tab Amukamara at #8 or # 10….although if you go to #10, I am not sure Amukamara gets past the Cowboys. It should be very interesting. It is fun to speculate and it (the draft) gives a reason to go to the Lodge and have a few grogs with the boys.

    Will updates be posted here or only twitter? I will have to get my newphew to teach me how to “tweet”!

    Thanks for the hard work, and I hope and pray all is well.

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member
    Spay and Neuter your pets please

  7. By John the draft guy on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    I think you are right that Washington will jump up to #2. In the past, they sat back and missed out on a QB. I think Denver will be happy to drop down.

    If that happens, Buffalo is faced with a big choice. They have Kyle Williams at nose and they Like Carrington at DE, but Dareus would fit perfect at the other DE spot. But with Von Miller there, it would be tough.

    If Buffalo grabs Dareus, The cards will have both Peterson and Miller waiting for them at 5. With so few OLBs and a deep CB draft, I think Miller will be our choice.

    Get up there Redskins!!

  8. By WAYNE on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    Trade Scenario, lets offer our 2011 2nd and 3rd round and 2012 1st and 3rd round picks to the BILLS for the 2011 1st round pick. We can draft Miller and Peterson then get a free agent QB. What do you think ? am I offering to many picks or not enough and would you do it ?

    Thanks, Wayne

  9. By Slim on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren-

    You really don’t get the credit you deserve for your coverage of the Cardinals and I for one cannot thank you enough for what you provide for all of us. Keep up the great work. I understand you are going through personal issues and I commend you for being able to do such a wonderful job professionally.

  10. By D on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Free agency Monday??? bring out the red carpet for Bulger on Monday…
    If V. Miller is gone and we are looking at Peterson…look hard at taking the Texans #11 and #42 picks…

  11. By adrian on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    so theres only gona be coaches at the draft party?? no players??

  12. By kaleb on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    No trades. too easy. We gotta take peterson tonight and wait for free agency. We have a history of drafting decent DB’s anyways. I have a feeling that there will be slightly less QB’s drafted than everyone is predicting, Newt and Gabbert will go but we might have a shot at a 3rd round pick up that could supplement the risk of picking up another hopeful veteran in free agency. also DARREN – Why is it that I havent heard mention of any offensive line additions, Is it due to a poor class or are we shying away from “drafting for needs”. Faneca’s deal is up and we had some serious issues with protection last year. Not to mention we are most likely not going to have a franchise guy tossing the ball for us this year, i think there is some talent on the line. Pouncey is a beast, not good enough for #5 but i know there are a few others that are immediate impact guys. Nate solder i think too. Anyways just wanted to know what you think the cards SHOULD do with the second round (needs or best player available)

  13. By Cards1Fan on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    I hope the Cardinals get Patrick Peterson or Blaine Gabbert.Von Miller will be gone by pick number 5 to either the Broncos or Bills.I hope we don’t make the mistake by underestimating Gabbert’s talent.And he gets drafted to our rivals the 49ers.He may have a chip on his shoulder to play the Cardinals if we pass on him.I beIieve having a veteran QB does not solve our solution we learned that last season.I hope we don’t trade down but only time will tell.PATRICK PETERSON WILL BE THE CARDINALS #5 PICK HOPEFULLY.

  14. By R Robles on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Go Cardinals!!!!!!!!!

  15. By Wampag on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    any truth to this … A lot of people in the league feel the Cardinals already have an understanding with pending free agent quarterback Marc Bulger. The Cardinals would have liked to sign Bulger last year, and coach Ken Whisenhunt lobbied for a deal, but Arizona had already agreed with Derek Anderson and management didn’t see a way to bring in two veterans. …

  16. By Mike T on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    Any word on when FA may start? I’ve heard rumors that the Cards are in talks with Bulger.

  17. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Nick —

    RE: Updates

    I will blog significant things but for real time stuff, it will be Twitter. You don’t really even have to sign up, just go to Twitter.com/cardschatter.

  18. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Wayne —

    RE: Trade

    That’s an awful lot to give up. As good as those players are, you need the draft to replenish the roster.

  19. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Adrian —

    RE: Players at party

    As of right now — 2:07 p.m. — players are not scheduled to be there. Don’t see that changing with the vague labor situation.

  20. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Kaleb —

    RE: OLine

    I am sure the offensive line will be addressed. But right now, today is about that fifth pick and it won’t be an O-lineman there.

  21. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Wampag —

    RE: Bulger

    I am reading the same things you are.

  22. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Mike T —

    RE: FA starts

    Still up in the air.

  23. By Nick Pepe on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Thank you. Bookmarked. Look forward to tonight, and for the record my wife said “I want a good, young quaterback” and I replied “too bad you’re stuck with an old, overweight cruelty investigator!” ha!!! Prayers to you.

  24. By Kurt on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

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  25. By Nick Pepe on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    @johnthedraft

    I would be ok with that scenario!! Good breakdown.

  26. By Scott H on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Well, at least in a few hours, we will know what the Cardinals did and we can be done with the speculation which seems like has been going on for a few years at this point.

    I still maintain that QB is absolutely this team’s biggest need, but no one seems to have them going QB at #5. So…to me, that must mean that they plan to go with Skelton with a vet back-up ( perhaps Bulger ) OR they may be planning to trade for Kolb at some point in the future. Interesting….

  27. By Bill L on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    CAM, Swing-for-the-fences?………I prefer HAIL-MARY. They have managed to play the game for 4 or so years(qtrs) and find themselves behind(everybody). All their work, insight, effort, knowledge have lead the franchise to 4th and 10 from their own 45, down by 8 with 2 seconds left……..and there is only one hail-mary in the draft. No real chance but a last gasp of a dying franchise. No first last year and Clausen taken with their 2nd……..now after 6 games, dump Clausen and bring in the “savior”………….My question for them, is will they draft Luck next year………Grad School, Luck?

  28. By John the draft guy on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    A report came out that Atlanta is trying to get into the top 7 and have put together a package to do so. They currently sit at 27. Its believed they want one of the top wrs.

    If Miller is gone, what about trading down with Atlanta. That value could give us another possible 1 next year and a 2 this year. (remember Andrew Luck will be there next year and Carolina could be the worst team again- a couple of 1’s could get us in that spot)

    At 27, we could look at that OL we so badly need, Say Danny Watkins, then come back on round 2 with say OLB Brooks Reed and CB Ras-I Dowling.

    Seems like what the Patriots do every year. Any thoughts.

  29. By Darren Urban on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    John the draft guy —

    RE: Trading to 27

    That’s a long, long way to drop back. You’d have to get a pretty good package to consider that.

  30. By Keegan on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Peterson and Cromartie, fastest cornerback duo in the league

  31. By Nick Pepe on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    @ Bill L
    I agree. Taking Cam is a huge risk. This ain’t the overrated SEC. He looked baffled, confused, and scared when he did that special with Gruden. And you are giving up on Clausen after he played 6 games with a real bad team. Do us all a favor and take Cam Newton.

  32. By Jeff Gollin on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    I’m with you in general, Darren.

    One other thing – I feel there’s at least a 50% we’ll trade down (hopefully to no longer than Houston at #11). The name I hear more and more about (and one that Kiper actually had pegged for the Cards at #5) is DE/OLB Aldon Smith. I don’t think we’d reach for him at #5, but if we traded down to #8 – #11, Smith would be intriguing. On a couple of tapes, I thought he was just as explosive to the QB as Miller (especially inside).

    This is one of the most intriguing drafts I can remember during the 50+ years I’ve been following it.

  33. By Bill L on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Peterson a heck of a player…….but, I just heard what Mayock thinks ATL paid to Clev to move up. Too bad the cards could not make that deal…….1,2,4 this year AND a 1,4 in 2012……….WOW!!! Great for Clev!!!!

  34. By Bill L on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    SF could have done better, I believe(Quinn), but they got their pass rusher…..and it leaves a crack in the door(no Gabbert) for Matt.

  35. By Bill L on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    Detroit, AWESOME…..VanDenBosch, Suh and now Fairley……who is going to run on Det? They still need protection for Stafford and a Corner…..but, this team is COMING FAST!!!!!

  36. By Bill L on Apr 28, 2011 | Reply

    1st round finished strong, IMO…….Ingram, Carimi, Wilkerson, Hayward and Sherrod!!! I had only 5 grades below B…….Carolina/Newton…..Tenn/Locker….. Vikings/Ponder…..SeaHawks/Carpenter……Ravens/Smith. Lot of good players left to start the 2nd round. …….. but, it is amazing what a bad knee has cost Bowers.

  37. By kaleb on Apr 29, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks Darren. I know myself and the few Cards fans out here with me in Afghanistan appreciate everything you do to keep the fans informed, I personally dont know how you keep up and write so much but please keep it up. Youre the best. Go Cards 2011! Ill be there when we host the cowgirls. Cant wait!

  38. By kaleb on Apr 29, 2011 | Reply

    OH and nice predictions for the top 5 if you would have went with your gut on cincy youd be 100% but theres nothing wrong with 4/5.

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