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While we wait …

Posted by Darren Urban on July 5, 2011 – 9:48 am

The Fourth of July has passed and that time when the lockout is creeping up on the season is coming fast. Talks are ongoing, and the hope still is that training camps won’t be delayed. Like everyone else, I am sitting back, waiting and hoping. In the meantime …

– Former NFL coach Herman Edwards was on ESPN’s SportsCenter this morning talking about his top five players to watch this season. At five was Packers LB Clay Matthews. Four was Bucs QB Josh Freeman, three was Rams QB Sam Bradford and two was Cowboys wideout Dez Bryant. And his top guy to keep an eye on? Cardinals rookie cornerback Patrick Peterson. Edwards has long been a fan of Peterson. Here’s hoping Edwards is right. Funny thing, by this time we’ve usually written and talked a ton about the first-round draft pick but because of the circumstances, he remains a relative mystery for this level. Will he jump in? Is he going to take longer to assimilate to the pro game because of no offseason (another reason it seems crazy for the Cards to deal DRC)?

– Speaking of the DRC “trade” — or more specifically, Eagles QB Kevin Kolb, some interesting stuff floating out there right now in this speculation bonanza we have. There is little question the Eagles think they can get a ransom for him right now, but who knows what that means? A Seattle radio station floated last week that the Seahawks would be willing to give up a first- and third-round pick for Kolb. That would change the dynamic of the situation, certainly.

As for Kolb’s play, Adam Caplan and Greg Cosell did an in-depth breakdown of Kolb’s five starts. It’s good stuff for anyone wanting to know more about this potential QB.

– Coach Ken Whisenhunt will be back in the U.S. soon after his trip overseas to visit military troops, a journey that took him to Kuwait and over to Iraq and eventually Baghdad and allowed him to spend Fourth of July with men and women defending the very nature of the holiday. Whiz is also scheduled to return to the American Century Championship according to the tourney. That’s the celebrity golf tournament held every year at Lake Tahoe (This year, it’s July 12-17). Cardinals linebacker Joey Porter is also on the list to play this year.

Then again, you never know what could be happening football-wise. I don’t know what a new labor agreement would immediately mean for the coaches. Hope we get to find out soon.


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53 Responses to “While we wait …”

  1. By D on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Great stories with Coach Whiz-I am hoping this deal gets done soon so we have a week or two to talk free agency, hopefully Coach will be too busy here to go to that golf outing…I am more excited to watch Peterson on special teams..we have not had an exciting special team returner for a consistent time for a while…also watching your clips of Williams I am excited to see him run if our line can create a hole or two….

  2. By NickP on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Great links Darren on Kolb….. but even after reading it your still left wondering is he worth it???

  3. By cdubbbbbb on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    That was a good breakdown of Kevin kolb. After reading that I still feel the same about giving up DRC for him, totally against it. Where he is at right now, I think a 2nd rd pick should be sufficient. But with the seahawks playing dirty n trying to drive up his price, I could see us giving a 1st rd pick if we are totally set on kolb. If not, i say just get orton who is a good qb and already knows how to play with fitz. Plus orton will come at a much cheaper price, although he is a better qb then kolb. Either one will help us win, but losing a core player to gain a core player makes 0 sense. Just imagine this guys: DRC, Peterson, Rhodes, A-Dub… that’s a scary secondary and probably the best in the league! Why sacrifice that for an overpriced kolb when there are better and cheaper options at qb?

  4. By Chris on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    LSH isn’t an exciting returner to you?

  5. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    No Ottis Anderson revisionist history, Darren? Or is that going back a bit too far? ;)

  6. By Kurt on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren:

    Still not sold on Kolb – McNabb makes more sense as a temporary bandaid – I can’t imagine DRC is going anywhere, but time will tell

  7. By Darren Urban on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Ottis –

    RE: RH Anderson

    A little too far. I’m trying to stick with what happened since moving to Arizona.

  8. By Sackman on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren

    I heard a rumor that the Cardinals might be interested in Pittsburg Ike Taylor. If so, perhaps the trade for Kolb and DRC are in line. I hope this is just a rumor, not sure if this would work! Any thoughts?

  9. By brad oneill on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    I have to say, i really enjoyed reading ken’s updates from his time with our guys and gals overseas. I hope he got some of their autographs for the football team. ;).

    kolb is probably worth a first round pick. of course if he is really worth it the pick will be somewhere after 28. if he isn’t worth it the pick could be numbers 1-5 which makes it a disastrous trade. if i was working the deal i would offer philly a first round pick conditioned upon the cardinals not picking until after 15th. if we pick earlier than that the picks shift to 1 2nd round and 1 4th round.

  10. By Darren Urban on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Sackman –

    RE: Ike Taylor

    It makes no sense unless the Cards dealt DRC. And as I have mentioned, I do not think they will be trading DRC.

  11. By Peter in Canada on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Brad – Your logic makes sense and I agree that the excellent link on Kolb indicates that he is all about potential which may or may not be realized. Therefore it only makes sense that the pick should be conditional to some degree on what he achieves next year. I would be very interested on reading the same type of report on Skelton.

  12. By Stuart on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    I think it’s absolutly nuts to give up DRC for Kolb He’s one the best corners in the NFL. Last thing we need is another situation of Lienart for Anderson we saw how bad that blew up in the teams face

  13. By brad oneill on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    maybe kolb was getting happy feet because he was anticipating that in a few years he would be on the cardinals and he better get used to moving fast. :)

  14. By Scott H on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Ya know, it’s amazing how this whole Kolb-for-DRC trade thing got legs so quickly! Honestly, what is the basis for it??? As far as I can tell, it was started out here in Philly with some talk radio chatter by some Eagle fans & media who just assume that Kolb may be trarded to the Cardinals. I don’t think there is anything more to it than that. Yet, so many people are up in arms about it…relax, already. Seems like a whole lot of smoke, but does anyone see any fire???

    Kurt – keep in mind that while McNabb would clearly be looked upon as a “band-aid” I don’t think that would be the case with Kolb. Kolb is only a few years into his career. Whoever trades for him is probably gonna be looking for him to be THE guy for the next decade.

    And I’ll tell ya what – the thought of Kolb in Seattle OR San Fran scares the hell out of me. They both need QB’s as well, pretty much as badly as we do. Can’t help thinking back to last year and Charlie Whitehurst…that came down to a two-horse race between Arizona and Seattle and, well…Seattle did what it took to get him there. If the Cardinals TRULY have their mind made up that they want kolb, then they better be ready to do whatever it takes to get it done.

  15. By cardsfan007 on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    YES, TRADE DRC FOR KOLB, There is still ALWAYS ASOMUGHA on the MARKET.

    I love DRC, but the QB is more important than a CB. Its been proven time and time again in this league. The Jets and Raiders are an example of this.

    Darren, what do you think about my Opinion on the rumor, yes i still understand its very unlikely this happens.

  16. By D on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Only player that should be considered trade for Kolb is Hightower, all other starters should not be, future draft picks yes, but nothing too crazy..like two number 1′s. I would rather give up less and deal for Orten, would be less of a contract in next 3-4 years, would be less compensation for him but he would win you the division if our O-line is fixed and our defense can stop people…

  17. By D on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    We better get at least two more LB’s to our defense that can contribute this year…because if the Rams go out and get Sproles, our defense better tackle well and get to the QB or we will be in trouble

  18. By Scott H on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    So, I look at Kolb’s numbers from the breakdown of his first 5 games and here’s what I get -

    104 completed, 165 attempted
    1,528 total yards
    10 TD’s against only 5 INT’s
    96.98 combined passer rating
    3 out of 5 games over 300 yards
    More TD’s that INT’s in 4 out of 5 games
    2 of 5 INT’s that were ( apparently ) not the QB’s fault

    Sorry but am I crazy for asking what’s not to like here??? Tell me that he can bring this kind of performance to Arizona ( and there’s no reason to think that he can’t ) and then tell me you’d rather have Bulger…or Matt Hasselbeck…or McNabb’s sorry rear end. Give me the last five games played by ANY of these guys and see how they measure up against the first five games Kolb ever played. Then tell me again that you’d take them over Kolb. Give me the young guy with tons of potential ANY DAY over any of these past-their-prime injury-prone band-aids. We don’t need a damn band-aid – we need a damn QB!!!

  19. By AndyStandsUp on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    SI’s Jim Trotter wrote last week that a surprise Cardinal may be in the works for a Kolb trade.
    Maybe Ryan Williams? Cards loaded at RB, Eagle’s McCoy needs a backup and Kolb was a second round choice. (So that may level the deal a little.)

  20. By Luis on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    @cardsfan007
    Your dumb for saying trading DRC for Kolb is a good trade. You want to trade one of the best corners in football for a guy who still has something to prove. I know QB is important but that trade has too much uncertenty, the Eagles wouldn’t be taking a risk, we would. And besides the Cardinals wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to get Asomugha, any real football fan would know that. The Cardinals have never been about trying to pay too much for free agents. For instance: Karlos Danby, and Antrell Role. And ASOMUGHA is going to want the most money available and he isn’t going to get that with the Cardinals.
    Any thoughts Urban??

  21. By Darren Urban on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Luis –

    RE: Nnamdi

    The Cards aren’t going to go after him. And they won’t need to, because they already have DRC, PP and Toler.

  22. By uncharacteristicAZ on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Interestingly on the SiriusXM NFL Blitz with Rich Gannon and Adam Schein, Rich and Adam both called Arizona the team to beat in the NFC West. They both strongly believe that the Cardinals will land Kevin Kolb and that he will fit well in Coach Whiz’s system. They feel that with that piece in place the Cards become the most complete package with the greatest amount of coaching stability on the division.

    Not sure if they are right, however, it was bliss to hear.

  23. By uncharacteristicAZ on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    AndyStandsUp says:
    SI’s Jim Trotter wrote last week that a surprise Cardinal may be in the works for a Kolb trade.
    Maybe Ryan Williams? Cards loaded at RB, Eagle’s McCoy needs a backup and Kolb was a second round choice. (So that may level the deal a little

    ————————

    This is just rumor mill fodder. The Cards and Eagles cannot even communicate right now on this subject. Speculation and heresay is all.

  24. By Patrick on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah going after Kevin Kolb seem a bit of a strech. I don’t think trading DRC for a guy who MIGHT potentially be good is a good move either. Right now Kolb is too much of a risk, one that most team (Cardinals) aren’t willing to take. Cardinals won’t get Kevin Kolb.

  25. By Canadian Red Bird on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Re: Kolb

    Great news that the Seahawks are offering up a 1st and 3rd round pick for Kolb according to the Philadelphia media. In another month,between Andy Reid and the Philadelphia media, they’ll have everyone thinking Kolb is worth 2 first rounders. Please stop this silliness, nobody in their right mind would make such a ridiculous trade.

    Bring in the Ort !!!!!!!!

  26. By Mark on Jul 5, 2011 | Reply

    Darren, can I ask you if this makes much more since, trade Kolb for Kerry Rhodes and a pick. First, The eagles need saftey help in a big way. Second, Kerry Rhodes had a great season last year with 90 tackles, 4 int, 4 Fumble rec, 1 sack, and two def tds and has only one year left on his contract as does Kolb. If Rhodes plans on testing free agency or playing back on the east coast after his contract expires, more reason to trade him. Also Rhodes numbers were way better than Antrel Rolle and he was picked as the 68 best player,Rhodes has to have some value.

  27. By Chris on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    DRC FOR KOLB WILL RUIN THIS FRANCHISE… AND MAKE ME STOP BUYING MY SEASON TICKETS. ME AND 20 OF MY FELLOW SEASON TICKET HOLDERS/TAILGATING PARTNERS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT. AZ. AND DARREN I AM REALLY DISAPOINTED IN YOU NOW SHOOTING THIS RUMOR DOWN IMMEDIATELY EVERYTIME IT IS BROUGHT UP.

  28. By Chris on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    **NOT

  29. By Chris on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    DRC,PP,WILSON,RHODES WILL GO DOWN AS THE GREATEST BACK FIELD WE EVER HAD.. OH AND DONT FORGET WE HAVE TOLER TO STEP IN OR PLAY IN 3 CB PACKAGES. HE IS NEEDED AND WANTED AS WELL. CAN’T WAIT TO SEE THESE GUYS WORK IN THE BACKFIELD I AM MORE EXCITED ABOUT THAT THEN GETTING A NEW QB! I LOVE SKELTON AND THINK HE IS GOOD ENOUGH TO TAKE US ALL THE WAY AND IF HE DOESNT AND WE SUCK THEN ATLEAST LUCK WILL BE THERE NEXT YEAR. DONT GET A NEW QB IF IT MEANS GETTING RIDE OF A CURRENT STARTER PLEASE

  30. By Eazy E on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Please seattle take kolb and give up the ranch for him. Suckers!

  31. By Eazy E on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H-

    Look over his brief NFL career, not just his first five lousy starts, it is really not that good. It seems like everybody is making him out to be some awesome QB without doing anything and proving himself. Another thing is NO teams had footage on him in those first five starts and could really gameplan for him. He will start getting gameplanned for and it is probably lights out for him. As I’ve said before, Scott Mitchell and Rob Johnson written all over him, look those two QBs up, sounds like someone you want?

  32. By Eazy E on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    If DRC is traded for kolb, I question everybody in the front office’s intelligence. We would need to get Nnamdi if that ridiculous crap happened.

  33. By Eazy E on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Nnamdi is the best corner in the league now. Why wouldn’t the cardinals want to go after him if they trade DRC for Kolb, yuck.

  34. By Darren Urban on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Mark –

    RE: Kolb/Rhodes

    1) Rhodes is under contract through 2012 at least (he has a voidable year in 2013).
    2) What do the Cards do at FS if they trade him?
    3) I’m not sold the Eagles need safety help “in a big way.” At free safety they had a rookie (Nate Allen) who still has some upside. It’s not like Rhodes can move to strong safety.

  35. By cdubbbbbb on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Eazy e- Nhamdi would be way to expensive for the cards, especially bringing in kolbs contract and trying to get some O Line help in FA. But if we got nhamdi, holy crap would our secondary be sweet, prolly the best in NFL history!

  36. By cards62 on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Luis lighten up on 007 he is just giving a strategy for the Cardinals. Probability of occuring is very low, but who of us would not trade DRC and in return have Asomugha and Kolb. Asomugha is the best CB in the game. People do not even throw at him, now put Peterson on the other side and Toler on the 3rd receiver.
    Yes I know this is a dream, but a darn good one.

    Scott H. like my college professor told me many years ago statistics are like a ladies bikini. What they reveal is interesting, but what they conceal is critical.
    I like Kolb and would not mind him being our QB if we do not give up too much, but I also like Orton and Palmer, and I like Vince Young. Remember Andy Reid who knows a lot about QBs is willing to give Kolb up for Vick so that has to give us some concern plus I believe Kolb lost his job becuase of injury. Kurt Warner was a band-aid as was Drew Brees and I will take those band-aids any day over Kolb, and my gut tells me that Palmer could be another Warner for us. Bottom line is any QB we select will have risk so I have always said lets select 2 and keep Skelton. I like Kolb but I would still get a Bulger or Vince Young to back him up and we would still spend less at the position then when we had Warner and Leinart.

    The great news Scott and other Cardinal fans is there is no way our QBs will be worse than last year unless we do nothing or sign Clausen from Carolina ha ha.

    Go Cards

  37. By maham on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    DRC is not going anywhere.

    I have not heard Coach Whiz or Rod Graves say that Kolb is our guy and we’re going after him. Everyone else has a right to their own opinion but it’s just that!

    We have a good coach and good gm; hopefully on their way to being great. I trust that they will never let a season like the last repeat, not only do they have a plan but they have options 1 and 2 after that. There are at least five options at qb that would allow us to win the NFC West. And if they don’t work out we have a solid qb that will be ready to dominate in 2012 ( http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133 ) if not in 2011!

    The ONLY thing Whiz and Graves have said PUBLICLY is that they will be aggressive in free agency, they haven’t said jack about Kolb. They could be set on getting Orten for all we know. Hell they may even have Lienhart on the line when free agency opens up. I know there is some bad blood there but never say never.

  38. By maham on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    I would like to see a comparison of all of Kolb’s starts to all of Bradford’s starts. There seems to be no question by anyone in the league that Bradford is a franchise quarterback……

  39. By Dennis on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Go after a QB based on performance, not potential.
    Look what potential got us with Matt Linehart.

  40. By Scott H on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Cards62 -

    Hey, I liked the analogy between stats and the bikini! Very nicely done. It is true that from any pool of stats, you can extract the numbers to make just about any case you want to make. And that may be not be more true anywhere than in discussions of NFL QB’s. Where Kolb is concerned, there really is not a whole lot of data to draw from at this point. Again, I don’t base my preference for him on cold, hard evidence – I base it on my belief in his potential and what I believe he can be. By the same token, his detractors cannot base their opinions on cold, hard fact with any more validity than I can.

    BTW, I absolutely disagree with your opinion that Drew Brees was a “band aid” when he went to New Orleans. He had clearly established himself in SD and he was clearly a rising star when he fell into the Saints’ lap. He was ABSOLUTELY their future and they knew it.

    Eazy E -

    Well, dude, I chose to focus on Kolb’s “first fiive lousy starts” because that’s what was highlighted in the peice that Darren put on the website. If you want to present the other side of the story, then bring it. You want to state the opinion that he’s not really that good? Fine. Back it up, then. It seems clear to me that YOU want to pass over these five games because they give you no ammunition. They do not support YOUR opinion of Kolb, therefore, we should give them no credence. Ah, I get it…we should instead look at the games that apparently DO support YOUR opinion of Kolb and THEN we’ll know the real story. Yeah, that makes sense…ya know what, dude? I HAVE taken his whole body of work into account. And like the piece says, sometimes you have to look beyond the numbers and go with what your eyes tell you. I live in Eagles country and I watch them every weekend. I’ve seen every game Kolb has played in – the good and the bad. Can you say the same? This guy makes me feel like he can win games and those are the only numbers I’m really concerned about.

    You say that he has Scott Mitchell / Rob Johnson written all over him…hey, that’s your opinion, you are entitled to it, and I respect it as such. But you say that and throw it back at me with “Sound like someone you want?” like I’m supposed to go along with that simply because YOU say that’s what he is. Problem is, I disagree. So, I say this – No, I do NOT want someone like Mitchell or Rob Johnson. But yes, I DO want Kevin Kolb. Question answered. Now what? How ’bout if I say that Kolb has Troy Aikman written all over him and throw that back at you with the question “Sound like someone you want?” Why not? That may be every bit as ridiculous as your question but it’s also every bit as valid. I have as much basis to say he’s Troy Aikman as you do to say he’s Scott Mitchell. Fact is that neither one of us has any REAL basis to define Kolb at this point because Kolb is absolutely un-defined. The trouble is that – as I’ve said many times – I DO NOT really know what Kolb will be, I simply bekieve in his potential and up-side. You, however, seem to KNOW that Kolb is no good and he’s Scott Mitchell. He will eventually prove one of us right. But neither of us knows anything for sure right now.

    BTW, Since I know you’re a McNabb guy, here’s another question for you – McNabb was benched late last season for Rex Grossman and was placed 3RD on the Redskins’ depth chart BEHIND a rookie who had never thrown a pass in an NFL game in his life at that point. Gee…does that sound like someone you want?

  41. By maham on Jul 6, 2011 | Reply

    Dennis: Lienhart never had a chance. He never had a true opportunity to show his potential with whiz. He’s not a whiz guy, he apparently didn’t have the killer instinct and work ethic whiz looks for; either that or it’s as simple as whiz didn;t draft him so he never stood a chance.

    any true cardinals fan would know that the bears are who we thought they were, but we may never know if lienhart was who some thought he was.

  42. By cards62 on Jul 7, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H. Thank you for your nice reply. You know football and you know the Cardinals very well. This is why I like when we discuss football back and forth as I like to give you some things to think about and you give me some new ideas to think about.

    My point on Brees is he was just like Warner in that any team could have had him like Warner for free, but very few teams showed interest in Brees because of his injury and perceived lack of height. If you remember even the Chargers before he was hurt drafted Manning/Rivers to replace him in SD, and the Dolphins chose Chad Pennington over Drew Brees. You are right in that Drew accomplished some things in SD and answered many questions like Kurt did in St. Louis, but just like Kurt there were major questions on Drew and not many people wanted Drew. This is why I called him a band-aid because at the time the Saints did not know for sure they had their QB for the next 8 to 12 years. These are also the reasons I like Carson Palmer I just think he is a smart guy who wants to prove a few things to people before he retires. LIke you in Philly I lived for many years close to Cincinnati so I have watched many of his games and I know how dysfunctional the Bengals are so I see why he wants a fresh start. I would have a back up plan for Carson say Bulger or Young or even Hasselbeck and Skelton of course.

    Like most of you I have my farorites for our next QB, and I am excited to see who we actually select to be our QB for 2011. I think and hope Graves and Whiz learned their lesson last year on QB and that they get us at least one of the top notch QBs that are available.

    Change the subject – Darren I do not know why the owners want an 18 game season. Baseball, Basketball, Hockey seasons are way too long and demand for their product is nothing compared to the NFL. Why not go to a 2 game preseason and 17 game regular season? I would be happy leaving a 16 game season as we definitely know the best teams by 16 games.

    Thanks and Go Cards!

  43. By Scott H on Jul 7, 2011 | Reply

    Cards62 -

    Ditto, my brother. Perhaps I’m basing my take on Drew Brees on my own opinion of him at that time, which was very high. Not that Philip Rivers hasn’t been a very good QB for the Chargers, but history may very well go on to prove that Drew Brees is the guy they should have kept.. I know if I were a Chargers fan, I would have wanted them to stay with Brees.

    I’m not crazy about Palmer at this point, but…they could do worse, that’s for sure. Are the Bengals still insisting that he will not be traded? This lockout thing really is killing the Cardinals right now, I swear. They are in desperate need of a QB, there are several QB’s to be had, they have the cap space to pretty much do whatever they want to do…and they can’t do ANYTHING because of the damn lockout!!! It has already reached the point where any team breaking in a new QB is compromised by the lack of practice and preparation. As each day goes by and we get closer to opening day, it just gets worse. This will not be an issue for teams with QB’s like Manning, Brady, and Brees. For teams like the Cardinals who don’t even know who their QB is yet??? Don’t kid yourself- this is a HUGE problem. ANY QB – regardless of who it is – is going to be hard pressed to be ready by the start of the season.

  44. By drummer-1 on Jul 7, 2011 | Reply

    @ scott h and Cards62…

    It’s nice to see 2 cards fans discuss football without insulting each other,Nice convo…

    Go Cards

  45. By Chris on Jul 8, 2011 | Reply

    So, I look at Kolb’s numbers from the breakdown of his first 5 games and here’s what I get -

    104 completed, 165 attempted
    1,528 total yards
    10 TD’s against only 5 INT’s
    96.98 combined passer rating
    3 out of 5 games over 300 yards
    More TD’s that INT’s in 4 out of 5 games
    2 of 5 INT’s that were ( apparently ) not the QB’s fault

    Sorry but am I crazy for asking what’s not to like here??? Tell me that he can bring this kind of performance to Arizona ( and there’s no reason to think that he can’t ) and then tell me you’d rather have Bulger…or Matt Hasselbeck…or McNabb’s sorry rear end. Give me the last five games played by ANY of these guys and see how they measure up against the first five games Kolb ever played. Then tell me again that you’d take them over Kolb. Give me the young guy with tons of potential ANY DAY over any of these past-their-prime injury-prone band-aids. We don’t need a damn band-aid – we need a damn QB!!!

    WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOURE STATS HIS FIRST 12 GAMES HE HAD 7 INT’S AND 4 TDS. YOU GUYS DONT EVEN CHECK WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

  46. By Chris on Jul 8, 2011 | Reply

    IN HIS FIRST 7 GAMES HE HAD 4 INTS AND 0 TDS COME ON NOW

  47. By Chris on Jul 8, 2011 | Reply

    @cardsfan007
    Your dumb for saying trading DRC for Kolb is a good trade. You want to trade one of the best corners in football for a guy who still has something to prove. I know QB is important but that trade has too much uncertenty, the Eagles wouldn’t be taking a risk, we would. And besides the Cardinals wouldn’t have ANY chance at all to get Asomugha, any real football fan would know that. The Cardinals have never been about trying to pay too much for free agents. For instance: Karlos Danby, and Antrell Role. And ASOMUGHA is going to want the most money available and he isn’t going to get that with the Cardinals.
    Any thoughts Urban??

    AGREED 100%

  48. By Chris on Jul 8, 2011 | Reply

    Dennis: Lienhart never had a chance. He never had a true opportunity to show his potential with whiz. He’s not a whiz guy, he apparently didn’t have the killer instinct and work ethic whiz looks for; either that or it’s as simple as whiz didn;t draft him so he never stood a chance.

    any true cardinals fan would know that the bears are who we thought they were, but we may never know if lienhart was who some thought he was.

    AGREED, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT JUST WASNT WIZ GUY BUT I WISH HE COULD HAVE SEEN PAST THAT….

  49. By Scott H on Jul 8, 2011 | Reply

    Chris -

    While I did make a slight error in my computations of his stats from these first five games ( he actually had 9 TD’s and 6 INT’s ), my error was only slight. YOU are the one who is WAAAY off and I have NO idea where you’re getting your info from. Check the piece included in this blog, dude – the stats are right there in black and white. Question my opinions all you want, but numbers are concrete. Some simple addition should tell you that my computations from the stats presented here for these five games ( slightly revised here ) ARE indeed accurate. I DO NOT know his stats from the games he played beyond this point, but I’m pretty sure his TD total did not DECREASE!!!

  50. By cardsalltheway on Jul 10, 2011 | Reply

    “Joey Porter’s dogs strike again…”
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/08/joey-porters-dogs-strike-again/

    This happened on July 2nd, the TMZ got a hold of it on July 8th, and it wasn’t mentioned anywhere here on July 5th that I saw. I wonder if coach Whiz has ever met Joey’s dogs, it’s time to lay them down to sleep.
    Gotta love those with Steeler past and present strings huh?

  51. By cardsalltheway on Jul 10, 2011 | Reply

    Palmer(Ivy League Grad.) is too smart for coach Whiz, I don’t think Palmer would fit into the Whiz type player QB. Whiz would probably see something wrong in being too smart. Therefore, Palmer wouldn’t receive the support most QB’s need from the coaching staff. Frankly, I’m not sure any QB would receive the type of support most QB’s need from this coaching staff. We have John Skelton, is coach Whiz going to again put a dent in his confidence by bringing in a FA to start and calling whoever that might be our guy? I hope not as we know what happened to our guy last year.

  52. By cards62 on Jul 10, 2011 | Reply

    Scott H.

    I agree with you that the Chargers should have stayed with Drew Brees and if they did guess who they would have drafted in 2004? Thats right – Larry Fitzgerald.
    SD I think would have a superbowl ring if this would have happened.

    I think Darren needs to do one of his revisionist articles on the 2004 draft. I went back and looked at that draft and overall it was not a very good draft, but the Cardinals by far and I mean by far had the best draft. Fitz, Dansby, and Dockett of any NFL team. Man I wish we could nail a few more drafts like we did that draft.

    Scott the Bengals are crazy so I do not know what will happen with Carsen Palmer. They may want too much for him, but I would be happy if our Cardinals could get him at the right price. The Bengals are ran by Mike Brown son of legandary coach Paul Brown. Once again the shadow cast for the son is too large for him. City of Cincinnati who loved Paul Brown now hates the Brown family. Mike Brown has his brother, sister, brother in law, and numerous other family members on the Bengals payroll. Many say they take an enormous amount of money from the Bengals and it was reported a few years ago that the Bengals only employed 1 scout. Last point is when Mike Ditka lost his mind and traded his entire draft for RIcky Williams to the Saints it was only because Mike Brown turned him down over his coaches objections so the Bengals could draft Akili Smith. Akili Smith over 9 players ha ha ha. Kind of makes you appreciate the Cardinals front office a little more ha ha.

    Go Cards

  53. By Darren Urban on Jul 11, 2011 | Reply

    cardsalltheway –

    RE: Palmer/Ivy League

    Palmer attended USC.

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