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Peterson up for award, and some other stuff

Posted by Darren Urban on September 13, 2011 – 3:52 pm

Some afternoon Tuesday notes:

– After his 89-yard punt return for a touchdown, rookie cornerback Patrick Peterson is up for the Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week award, voted on right here by the fans. Of course, it was a pretty big week for rookies — among the other choices are Packers return man Randall Cobb (108-yard kickoff return for a touchdown) and Cam Newton, who may have had a good day in his debut.

– Not that it necessarily means anything, but Larry Fitzgerald broke some news Tuesday on Twitter that former Vikings receiver Jaymar Johnson — who is close with Fitz and Fitz’ s brother Marcus — had a workout with the Cardinals. Teams work out players all the time; it doesn’t mean they will sign them right away or ever sign them. I know Richard Bartel worked out for the Cards last year weeks before he signed. Plenty have come through here for a work out never to be heard from again.

– The 130.0 passing rating for Kevin Kolb was the Cards’ best since Kurt Warner had a 132.9 during a five-touchdown day in Chicago in 2009. And everything didn’t click for Kolb.

– Another note on Kolb, when it comes to ESPN’s new passer rating. The attempt by ESPN to truly value a QB’s game and include everything positive and negative is worthy. A quarterback shouldn’t overly benefit on a 50-yard pass when it’s a dump in the flat and the running back, for instance, gains 45 of the yards on his skill. That said, Kolb was “hurt” by the catch-and-runs from tight end Jeff King (48 yards total) and wide receiver Early Doucet (70), and while those guys ran with the ball for most of the gains on those plays, Kolb’s cool under pressure to get the ball there with the blitz seems to me should count for more than it did.


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25 Responses to “Peterson up for award, and some other stuff”

  1. By Nayt on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb’s QB rating definitely doesn’t benefit on those long passes, which seems silly. No one touched the receivers on their way to the end zone. Why not include a passer’s ability to put the ball in spots where that happens, no matter how far the receiver ends up running, in the equation? That would seem to take into account all the blitz awareness and reads a little better. There’s probably a million other specific ways to do it, too. Ugh.

  2. By VoiceofReason on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Whenever someone tries to quantify objectively something inherently subjective (like quarterback play), they are set up for failure.

    Here, rather than having a quarterback rating, ESPN or otherwise, the statistics that matter to me when evaluating a quarterback are:

    1. Completion percentage overall.

    2. Completion percentage versus a blitz.

    3. Completion percentage in the red zone.

    4. TD percentage in the red zone.

    5. TD/INT ratio over time.

    6. Yards per completed pass.

    See a trend? Here’s a hit — we didn’t have it last year. We do (or at least appear to so far) this year.

  3. By MIKE G on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Not a big fan of QB passer ratings. I think it is an overblown stat. Some things in today’s football are too complicated. Stats are for losers. A good Qb must be a leader and make the plays necessary to win a game. It doesn’t have to be pretty. He must earn his team-mates trust ala Kurt Warner and not Jay Cutler(playoff-bailout) I dont care if Kolb’s QB rating is 60–as long as we win the games.! Do you think we as fans talk too much about the individual player rather than stress TEAM?????

  4. By MIKE G on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Also Darren–I hope Peterson gets the award being a Cardinal fan, but I think Newton is more deserving. I thought Peterson had a rough day. He was abused in coverage. The play that upset me the most was the Smith TD with 6 seconds left in the half. You just cant let him get behind you in that situation– you have to be smart and protect the end zone at the end of the half. Hopefully he will learn and improve– he showed his skill on that 89 TD return and showed a lot of heart on that play. He will be a good player in this league!

  5. By jwimmer2 on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Cam had a higher rating than Kolb. He lost the game.

  6. By Tbru on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Good luck P2, but no way Fig Newton doesn’t win it.

  7. By red32 on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    If the catch and runs hurt a QB, it’s a good thing Joe Montana doesn’t play these days…he’d be one of the lowest rated QBs around…95% of his TDs were of that variety.

  8. By Eric on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    It makes me sick and tired of the politics involved with the NFL, that Mr. Kolbs excellent day was overshadowed by a rookies performance over two and a half quarters. Once the Cards made their adjustments, and scored three TD’s , the panthers were broken. Awesome comeback and incredible first game for Kolb. It was disgusting how, as usual, the Cards day was overshadowed by a rookie that was sacked 5 times and threw two picks (I won’t acknowledge BS penalties), and , oh yeah, LOST THE GAME. Any real football fan saw what Kolb did, and after watching Orton play, it’s clear we made the right choice with Kolb. ESPN and NFL NETWORKS coverage is a joke. Thank you Darren for your honest coverage.

  9. By Steve Lee on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Why did Graham get booted? I’ve asked this before but couldn’t find your response. Thanks.

  10. By Darren Urban on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Individuals vs team

    I think one of the reasons sports in general and the NFL in particular is so popular is because you can break it down a million different ways. That includes talking about/liking individual players.

  11. By Darren Urban on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Graham

    http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/09/02/final-roster-still-in-motion/

  12. By paul danek on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    yes, very quiet and encouraging 300 yards for kolb. most importantly, with no huge errors.

  13. By john w. on Sep 13, 2011 | Reply

    Thank goodness that we have a QB with instincts and leadership skills that he does. Our team is good. We have a lot to be thankful for, and I think it’ll show over the course of this season. Cam threw for gangbuster yardage, but our redbirds won the day. They won because they have the talent and ability. Our Cardinals will give us great effort this season, and to achieve 9 wins is not out of the question.

    This team is good, folks. They’re good.

  14. By Rugbymuffin on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    ESPN ?

    LOL!!!!!!!

    Obviously a stat made up by people who have never played a contact sport.

    What about the massive shot the QB takes to make his reads, and then dump the ball off ?

    That takes skill whether the stat leg humpers want to accept that fact or not.

    ESPN is to sports what MTV is to music.

  15. By joe67 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    Agree with Eric. NFL Network not much different than ESPN. 80% about the East Coast Teams, 10% about Green Bay, Dallas and Chicago, and the rest of the league splits up the other 10% of the time.
    I know that stat hurt Kevin this week but I actually like it. Too many qb’s get too much credit for a dump off and then the rec makes the great run and the qb gets credit for the long pass. (Does Fran Tarkenton come to mind?) The passer rating will never be a perfect science. Just too many variables.

  16. By Jeff Gollin on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    The ESPN new QB Rating attempt is bogus.

    The outcome of a play (whether a WR catches the ball in the end zone or whether he catches it in the flat and motors 65 yards up the field) is what counts – because the QB has to be smart enough and decisive enough to put the ball in the receiver’s hands in the right way at the right time so that it results in a TD.

  17. By cardfan6 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    its driving me nuts that everyone is acting like cardinals lost. But the cridics have always been realy hard on zona. even there superbowl run they were the worst team to ever play in the playoffs. only problem i had with kolb on sunday was before 60% of the plays started i could tell you exactly what he was going to run either pass or run just the way the team was lined up. that 60% was a rollout to the right and a pass to the right sideline.

  18. By Rodgerscromartie17 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    Peterson layed down a pretty nasty hit on smith to force him OB, he stays on his coverage like that and start bustin up passes and laying down the hammer of dawn, Revis wont have anything

  19. By Tx Cards fan on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    The only passing stat that counts for a QB is the win and loss column. They are the leader of the offense it’s their job to overcome obstacles and score points to win the game it that simple. I think it is laughable that ESPN created its own stat. I wonder if it is an attempt to push their handpicked favorite QB’s in the league that don’t look good under the normal stats kept in Football. Everything this system does is already tracked through rushing yard, passing yards, completions, interceptions, touchdowns, and the normal passer rating system. You can change the value of how they got the stats and the points they scored but it doesn’t change the outcome of the game. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. If the team scores points and moves the ball without turning it over they will win the game most of the time you don’t need a man made ESPN stat to tell who is doing that well.

  20. By kaleb on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    I’m glad that the Cardinals arent getting any recognition nationally, the last thing this team needs is national recognition AND expectations. Lets just go out there and win ball games and if we are truly “good” then the recognition will come in the playoffs. The cards need to make teams respect them, and to be honest, the less preperation teams do to play us, the better off we are. So keep espn away from our facilities and lets do what we do. RED SEA.

  21. By cards62 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Mike G that P. Peterson was abused in coverage on Sunday.

    I watched the game last night condensed version on NFL Network and it seemed like everytime a Panther receiver or te caught the ball it was on # 21 Peterson.
    Jefferson actually had a very good day. Our safeties not so much.
    Now I love our pick of P. Peterson and I wanted him even over Von Miller, but he does not deserve rookie of the week, but I am glad he is ours. I think he is going to be a very special player for us, but even the great ones like Aeneas Williams have a learning curve.

    Kevin Kolb my gosh he looked even better on NFL Network. Levi Brown gets beat twice on the first 2 series and causes us to fumble deep in our own territory and Whiz wonders why Kolb has happy feet? It is one thing to drop back 7 yards and throw for over 300 yards but it is more impressive when you have to do it on roll outs and running around. Kevin Kolb I never knew he was so moblie, and it looked like a lot of his rollouts were by design to protect him from Carolina pass rush.

    I think Carolina’s offensive coaching staff did a great job game planning against us. I think they knew with a rookie QB with under a 50% completion ratio in the preseason that we would make Cam beat us with his arm and not his legs. I will say this I saw a lot of hustle from our front 7 and we did get 5 sacks on a team that was definitely ready for us, and the penalty on Richard Marshall was total BS so really our defense only gave up 14 points and Cam Newton did throw some very nice passes I did not think he had in him.

    2 fumbles 1 lost, bad penalty on Roberts, missed FG, official error for td and we still win by 7 is encouraging to me.

    Hey on our running game. Hopefully I am remembering this wrong and Darren or others can correct me but I do not remember us running the ball on 2 consecutive downs until late in 4th quarter when we were trying to run out the clock.

    Redskins game will be very interesting to see our pass defense against Grossman and how our OL holds up against the Redskins. Excited for the game, but worry about 1 PM game in east as too many times we come out flat when we travel east for early games. Do others have this concern?

    Go Cards beat the Redskins

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  23. By drummer-1 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    @Cards62

    Can you explain how Levi cause a fumble on a toss play that Beanie didn’t handle well? Now how is that Levi’s fault?

  24. By cards62 on Sep 14, 2011 | Reply

    drummer 1 thanks for writing

    Fair question – answer it was not on the Beanie fumble. Kolb taking the blame for this, but to me look like Beanie. I was hoping someone at the game had a better look and could tell us the cause of the fumble.

    If you have the game recorded go back to the first quarter. On our TD drive Levi is easily beat and gives up a sack. Our defense forces a punt and we get the ball back around the 20. Kolb drops straight back to pass and Levi is beat one on one very quickly and the DE strips the ball from Kolb around the 10 to 15 yard line.
    We were lucky our guard, DC, recovered the ball as Carolina was all around the ball. I am not a Levi hater as I have seen him throw some of the best run blocks over the past few years, but man would I have love for us to bring in an OT or two and moved Levi to guard a few seasons ago.

    Go Cards beat Redskins

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