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Kolb still has to watch

Posted by Darren Urban on November 10, 2011 – 2:06 pm

Quarterback Kevin Kolb said he continues to progress with his turf toe injury, and that, while last week was about reducing the swelling in the injury this week has been about rehab and trying to get back on the field. He has yet to get back to the field however, sitting out again Thursday and making a Sunday appearance in Philadelphia unlikely.

“I wouldn’t say he has to (practice), but I would like for him to,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said.

If Kolb doesn’t get in more reps by tomorrow, it doesn’t sound like he would have any chance to start. Whisenhunt said the only way Kolb would be a game-day decision would be if he was in a backup role. At issue remains his ability to drop and move and get around in the pocket. “What you don’t want to do is compromise his mobility,” Whisenhunt said.

The practice part is more about testing Kolb out physically rather than helping him mentally, Whisenhunt said. Kolb can handle that.

Whisenhunt was asked if there was a way John Skelton would retain the starting job after Kolb returned to health. “There is no real reason to comment on that,” Whisenhunt said.

In other injury news, both linebacker Paris Lenon (groin) and fullback Anthony Sherman (ankle) were upgraded to limited, while cornerback A.J. Jefferson was added to the injury report Thursday when he was limited with a foot injury. Cornerback Michael Adams (neck) was upgraded to full.


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26 Responses to “Kolb still has to watch”

  1. By cardsalltheway on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    “I wouldn’t say he has to (practice), but I would like for him too,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said.

    That’s kind of like saying to Kolb…You don’t have to know our plays as well as our other QB’s but you can be “Our Guy” while getting paid + $20 million.

    What’s that Einstein saying again? I think it goes…”Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.”

  2. By TucsonTim on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    “There is no real reason to comment on that,” Whisenhunt said.

    Not the best answer to a question that shouldn’t have been a surprise.

  3. By CaRdSrOcK#13 on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    I liked the way John Skelton played. I hope Kolb gets better though.

  4. By Austin on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    I would like to see how Skelton would progress with back to back starts. I feel comfortable with him under center. If we get another win and Kolb is ready for San Francisco we will get a better picture of where each QB is at. If Skelton wins again and then Kolb wins in SF we know the team as a whole is in sync. If Skelton wins and Kolb loses, then we can argue over who should be starting QB. Just my opinion. I am behind both of them.

  5. By Ham on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Come’on Kolb just get better man! Skelton go lead us to another victory. Red Sea is rising!

  6. By jstn on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    even if kolb gets in some practice at this point you got to go with skelton whos been in the role all week and last, how much of what kolb is doing deals with the eagles and preparing for them then rehab the injury, skelton is a no-brainer, put away any kolb vs vick thing its just not that interesting anyways, what will be interesting is sketon on the road with a win. Come On Cards You Can Win This and Win it Big. No quater given, none taken.

  7. By Phoenixraven1 on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Just win baby! Hope we open so whoop’ass on Philly! Never liked the organization, hope we bottle up Vick and shut them down! Come on D!

  8. By Kevin on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    I like Skelton as it’s cool to root for the 5th round draft choice from a no-name school, but people need to be realistic. “He’s 3-2 as a starter.” OK, one of those wins last year was against an absolutely awful Broncos team and we had 5 FG’s and a fake FG that became a TD before our offense actually scored a couple TD’s of its own late in the 4th. Skelton was 15 for 37 that game. Then he “led” us to a loss to last year’s worst team in football, the Panthers — another game where he completed right around half his passes, finished with a QB rating under 60, and we scored a whole 3 points the first 3 quarters before adding 9 more points in garbage time when the game was essentially over. He was then 11 for 25 in the Dallas game, although he did complete a 70 yard pass to a wide open Roberts, something DA had trouble doing. But our offense was BAD that game. We had 10 first downs — 10! — to Dallas’ 24. We were outscored 26-13 if not for Kitna’s two pick 6′s. (Oh yeah, let’s not forget, Skelton was playing the other team’s backup QB.) And then we got killed by SF (although Skelton didn’t play that whole game, we weren’t going to win no matter who the QB was). Skelton has simply been the beneficiary of the good fortune to get a couple starts against really bad teams (DEN last year, STL last week), and one (DAL) against a decent but underperforming team missing its starting QB, where the D spotted him a 14 point lead and we still needed a last-second FG to hold on. Again, I root for him, but he’s not the answer.

  9. By georgiebird on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    The Cardinals look so foolish the way they are handling the Kolb “turf toe”. I get the feeling we’re talking about Peyton Manning and his 80% is probably better than most other QB’ 100%.
    This is Kevin Kolb- he’s been disappointing by everyone’s evaluation outside the Cardinals’ organization. The bravado about trying to play against the Eagles is sickening.
    If the Cardinals didn’t have such a huge investment in him, he’d be playing behind Skelton.
    Same old Whiz, his act is becoming so tired. (Even if he’s telling the team something else and wants to keep the Eagles guessing- this is not showing faith in Big John.)

    Newsflash made for the Whiz:
    Kolb is injured, I’m going with Skelton. John got us a win last week and after the Eagles game, we will re-evaluate the status of our QBs.

  10. By KKFan on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Guys, try to remember that Kolb is only in his first season as an every game starter. ( or was until he injured his toe). Add to that a completely different offensive scheme, new team mates, new coaches. All that takes time to adjust and master. No one does it in 2 months which is all the time Kolb has had as a starter here. And a total of 5 starts spread over two seasons with the Eagles. I wouldn’t exactly consider that experience or him a veteran QB no matter how many seasons he has been in the NFL.

    He has shown that he can be a good QB . But he needs the support of his team, coaches and the FANS .Which seems to be split from what I’m reading.

    It’s easy to criticize and judge someone when you yourself have never played at this level. Cut the guy some slack! I’m a believer that all Kolb needs is time to get to know the offense, feel comfortable with his team and coaches, and he’ll show you what he can do with a football.

  11. By cactus_hawaiian on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Don’ understand why people favor Skelton over Kolb. Seems like they’ve forgotten about the 4 points that he gave to St. Louis. Back-to-back safeties? Come on! Skelton never won the game, the defense and special teams did.

    Skelton never won the game against Dallas on christmas day last year, the defense did with returning 2 interceptions for touchdowns. Skelton didn’t win the game against the Broncos either, Jay Feely did.

    With that said, I really don’t understand why people would rather have Skelton start over Kolb. It makes no sense.

  12. By lg on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    the trading places story make me feel bad cause money mike said that it hurt DRC heart when we traded him its hard to find players that really wants to stay with a team that have bad luck like this one but to me the worst trade the cardinals ever did was AENEAS WILLIAMS to the rams for a third round pick which was micheal stone a nobody.

  13. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    I wanted Kolb here and am sorry and disappointed that things have not worked out better. BUT I am a CARDINALS fan and, ultimately, that means I want to see the best team on the field that they can put out there at any given time. I don’t mind saying that I am somewhat glad to see Skelton getting a chance to play a little. And IF it looks like the team is better with him at QB, then…so be it. Unfortuantely, it will be very hard for the team to bench Kolb for Skelton because of the money Kolb is getting. Whatever. I just want to see the team play better. And if they play better with Skelton, then I hope he will continue to play.

    I have two passions when it comes to the NFL – LOVING the Cardinals and HATING the Eagles! NOTHING would make me happier than to see a Cardinals upset this week. For me, that would certainly put a little sugar on what has been a very sour season. Not optimistic, but…ya never know. The Cardinals have had their share of upset wins against the Eagles, that’s for sure. Another one this week would be sweet!!!

    Would LOOOOOVE to see Fitz have a BIG game against DRC!

  14. By ben on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    hey kevin 3-2 is a lot better than 2 and 7

  15. By AndyStandsUp on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    Can you provide a little insight into Whiz’s thinking about the difference between Beanie Wells not practicing and still starting and Kolb having to workout first before playing?
    I get the QB controls the ball more and Kevin is not a complete known entity to the Cards yet, but something tells me it may more of a pain tolerance/competitive issue.

  16. By Chuck 1 on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin,

    You make good points about doubting Skelton’s ability and upside.

    I understand that he hasn’t had much of an opportunity to get game experience.

    However, if he doesn’t improve over the next year and a half, the decision to draft him will be another questionable one by Graves.

    I return to a comment that I made on another thread. I’m not sure, based on the performances of Kolb and Skelton, that the QB coach has the ability to improve their performances. Get a new QB coach.

  17. By georgiebird on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    A lot of guys talk about giving Kolb a chance to learn the new scheme as well as playing thru the hard times. Here’s the problem with that approach:
    1) Kolb turned 27 in August. As a 27 year old, his learning curve should be dynamic but instead we are getting slow progress, if any.
    2) At age Skelton’s current age of 23, Kolb still had not thrown a pass in the NFL.
    3) Skelton is the one who has shown the dynamic progress- having come a long way from his days at Fordham.
    4) one knock on Kolb by the Eagles’ fans was that he gets injured often.
    The question here is “not who is the better QB” but is either one good enough to get the Cards to the playoffs. It was the question that was answered “no” when the competitors were DA and Leinart last year. I’d rather take my chances with the 23 year old. How long is Skelton bound to the Cardinals?

  18. By Kolb equals bust on Nov 10, 2011 | Reply

    Just another excuse for one of the worst Qb’s statistically to sit on the bench. Good, I hope Kolb doesn’t take another snap for this team, so sick of watching the guy run backwards and then hang his head like a crybaby and walk off the field. Rather have any other QB on the roster on the field just as long as its not Kolb under center!!!!

  19. By Nick Pepe on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    Well put. Hate those wretched green bastards. Let’s go Big Red.

  20. By Darren Urban on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    AndyStands –

    RE: Kolb/Beanie

    Well, first of all, Beanie only didn’t practice one week, and that was the week of the Seattle game — which he missed. Beanie practiced at least some all the other weeks. Kolb, on the other hand, hasn’t practiced at all since the injury, which is telling. If he can’t even move around well enough to practice (when he can’t be hit), you’re not going to play him.

  21. By Darren Urban on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    Georgie –

    RE: Skelton contract

    He is signed through 2012, and will be a restricted free agent at that time.

  22. By CardinalFan on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb still needs more time with the offense and an off season to see what he can do. Andy Reid pointed that out and said it took KW, whom he called “an all time great QB”, into his 2nd year to get it with the Cards. However minimizing what Skelton did or stating that he doesn’t have the talent to be a starter when he has less NFL quality experience than Kolb is ridiculous at this point. Skelton did win and it wasn’t pretty but it wasn’t all because of the defense either who didn’t play well last year either. On the other hand Kolb’s single victory came because of a great defensive play by Paris Lenon on 4th down against the Panthers, otherwise we would have been 0 – 7. I am not knocking Kolb he could certainly end up being a quality starter. I just want the Cardinals to win regardless of who is at QB.

  23. By Peter in Canada on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    I agree with Kevin and the others that Skelton had luck and help last year and the 2-2 record was misleading. However, against the Rams consider:

    1. he was rusty because he hadn’t played since game 2 preseason.
    2. he had no running game, he was the leading rusher
    3. His pass rating was 85 a great improvement over any game last year
    4. He improved during the game as the 4th quarter was by far his best

    If the name of the game is improvement I think he showed that and deserves an opportunity to continue.

  24. By David C. on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,
    What is your personal opinion of Oklahoma QB Landry Jones? Do you think he could fit our system?

    David C.
    http://www.facebook.com/firewhiz

  25. By Darren Urban on Nov 11, 2011 | Reply

    David C –

    RE: Landry Jones

    I think, with what little I have seen of him, he looks like a nice prospect. No idea if he’s a fit or what he’d do on the next level.

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