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Kolb situation echoes Warner’s

Posted by Darren Urban on December 15, 2011 – 2:09 pm

Coach Ken Whisenhunt said quarterback Kevin Kolb did a little more in practice today following his concussion and the expectation is that he will do more again Friday. But there are reasons to think, barring a big jump in Kolb’s recovery, that John Skelton will start against Cleveland Sunday, and one of them is the path Whisenhunt went down with former quarterback Kurt Warner before a game at Tennessee in 2009.

Warner suffered a concussion in St. Louis the week before, but he passed his tests and came back to practice Wednesday that week. A couple of days later, Warner was “probably going to play.” That sounded good — until Sunday morning, when Warner has some blurry vision, and ultimately the decision came late he wouldn’t play.

Part of the problem wasn’t Warner’s absence Sunday, but that he took almost all of the practice reps during the week because he was supposed to start, leaving Matt Leinart hanging when his number was called. That happens — Skelton was stuck in basically the same situation last weekend against the Niners because Kolb was knocked out early — but Whisenhunt said he was prepared.

“John did OK last week with no reps,” Whisenhunt said, laughing. “Maybe that’s the key. Maybe if we give him no reps and tell him it’s the third quarter, we’re in good shape.”

Seriously, though, “the situation with Kurt was different because we thought he was going to play and the procedures are a lot different now,” Whisenhunt added. “You do want to make sure, if you have those concerns, you get the other guy reps. And we have gotten John more reps this week because of that.”

– Sunday’s game against the Browns has officially been declared a sellout — 62 in a row — and will be televised locally on CBS (Ch. 5). There has been no decision made yet on opening the roof and that will likely be a game-day choice because of the chance of rain.

– S Kerry Rhodes has returned to practice fully and should play Sunday, but he will be slowly worked back into the lineup given so much time away. Rhodes hasn’t played since Oct. 9 because of a broken foot and subsequent surgery.


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26 Responses to “Kolb situation echoes Warner’s”

  1. By Burdoneski on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    sorry, didnt finish my question. could you see Warner leaving his braodcasting gig with the NFL network to become the Cardinals orginizations quarterback coach?

  2. By Dynosoar on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Whisenhunt has a keen sense of humor “no reps and tell him it’s the third quarter.” That was great.

    As much as I want Kolb to play, I’m just as satisfied with the way Skelton is playing and there’s life after football. Heal Kevin so he will enjoy his entire life better.

    This year seems like a typical Cardinal game, down early and fighting late for a win. I Love It!

    With the way Skelton gets the ball to Fitzgerald, I’m almost sorry for Cleveland… almost.

  3. By Travis McCollum on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    John Getting more playing time is not a bad thing

  4. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Burdoneski —

    RE: Warner future

    Warner has made it clear many, many times — which I have noted through the years — he has no desire to coach. Way too time-consuming, especially with a family.

  5. By Jzoully on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin Kolb is a warrior, but maybe he should be on another team. Look at recent qb’s for the Cards. Jake Plummer was a monster and threw year after year multiple 3000 yard seasons (Although he chose the pans* broncos). Kurt Warner was hit pretty hard through his Cardinals career, and everytime he got up and said “Damn that throw came out weird…I’ll get them next time”. The mental toughness is what a Cardinals qb goes through. Kolb isn’t that kind of quarterback. I love this season, but when Kolb breaks his leg people are going to say “Holy crap, glass-man down!”
    Bring in Byron Leftwich. He is metal!!!!

  6. By Phoenixraven1 on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    I have been very impressed with rashad Johnson (hint hint on an article idea!)…with his great play lately do the Cards disrupt te flow of the D with Rhodes or in your opinion is Rhodes that much of a playmaker we need him out there?

  7. By TMo on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Even with coaching being so time-consuming, I would think Warner makes more on TV than a QB coach. Am I right? More money, less hours. Not that he is at all motivated by $…he’s proved that.

  8. By Eric on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Leftwich? Thank God you aren’t our player personell guy, we would suck, bad. With the Browns starter down its probably a better idea to sit Kolb anyway, why take a chance, and Skelton has been doing fine.

    We need Kolb healthy, just in case, by some miracle, we make the playoffs, and more importantly, next year. I still think with some work, KK has the goods to be our guy for a while.

    I’m still laughing at all these “man up” and Mr. Glass” idiots. Lets see you guys take the hammering. Kolb has been nailed in other games and got through it just fine, he has just had some bad luck with being hurt. There is nothing he can do about it.

    Nothing against Warner, but everytime he got hammered, he wanted to retire, quit, and after the last one, he did, and left us high and dry last year for a QB. Think about that one for a while.

  9. By in fitz we trust on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    i would like to see rhodes playing again, i just dont know if hes fully intune will the playbook since hes been out, theres a good chemistry built with the d, wouldnt wanna throw that off….. skelton against the browns would be good to see just too evaluate his consistantcy, seems skelton has on and off games, 1st game against san fransisco he did horrible, second game against the same team ( granted the d was a lil banged up ) he had his best game as a professional, i belive passer rating was about 105, 106 that game. will be an interesting rest of the season from the quarterback position.

  10. By kkfan on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Better to err on the side of caution, than to risk his future and his family’s livlihood .With the new rules about concussions, it’s really not up to him no matter how badly he wants to be out there. He has to pass certain nuerological tests before he is cleared to play .It’s unfortunate that the fates haven’t been too kind to him thus far in his NFL career. Hopefully things will go much better for him in 2012. They can’t get much worse thats for sure.
    I really like Kevin. I think with the right supporting cast, he can become a very dominant QB. But so far the football gods haven’t allowed him much of an opportunity to prove himself.

    To the poster who made the comment that Andy wouldn’t have traded Kevin if he was any good. Couldn’t have been more wrong. Andy kept close tabs on Kevin throughout his collage career. He was very impressed with what he saw from him. That is why he drafted him. In the few games that he got to play in Philly he was NFC player of the week twice. Both times throwing for 3 TD’s and passing close to 400 yrds each of those games. He set an NFL record by being the first QB in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NFL to throw for over 300 yrds in each of his first two starts. The first being against the then Super Bowl Champs, New Orlean Saints, and the second week against the KC Chiefs. So to those who like to knock the guy , please know what you are talking about. When you make ridiculous comments about his not being an NFL quality QB material.

  11. By Peter in Canada on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    @Eric You have to be kidding. No elite QB with the possible exception of Favre, who I think liked the personna of being a macho guy, took more of a beating in their careers than Warner. Mike Martz offence using four wideouts and Marshall Faulk as a fifth receiver pretty well meant the QB was going to get hit on a large % of the passing plays because there weren’t enough blockers. He took a lot of hits with the Cards because the O-line that everyone has been complaining about for the last 2 years was pretty similar to the one he played behind. As for leaving the team high and dry he retired in Febuary. The Cards had lots of time to find an alternate. It was their choice, sadly for all of us, to go with Leinart and DA.

  12. By Brad Wheeler on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Lets hope Zastudil gives his punts some more hang time, or some more accuracy to the sidelines, Cribbs will return big if he keeps punting straight with no hang time. We’ve been lucky that some of the biggest returns against our punts were called back for penalities, might not get so lucky again though…

  13. By Brad Wheeler on Dec 15, 2011 | Reply

    Did i hear that right, a Cards fan (Eric) bagging out Kurt Warner? Really? As for toughness, it was Kevins choice not to go for another series, he never lost consciousness, the replay showed him looking for the ball immediately after he got hit, no loss of consciousness, if Kolb was a true warrior, a true competitor, then he would not have said boo and tried to go another series. If he felt bad during the next series then sure, go out, but cause he never tried to go another series says that he’s not that tough. But the NFL is not exactly a gladiator sport, they get paid millions and still wear paddings and go out of the game for a small knock. Take a look at Rugby League in Australia, no protection, guys get knocked out cold in the game, they stop the game to bring the smelling salts out, then they play on, no joke, happens every week in that sport where players who lose consciousness get up and keep playing, and the highest paid Rugby League player gets only $850k. So no Kolb is not tough, but hey he can still be a great NFL QB, that is yet to be seen though, hope so, lets see..

  14. By wayne on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Darren,

    Please help me with this one, What I have heard on all of the NFL sites is that Kevin Kolb has been cleared of any affects of his injury but I also keep reading that Coach Whiz might not play him, why? We have a chance for the playoffs, he needs to start vs Bengals on the road, this would be a warmup game at home. He gets payed to play, Whiz will say he needs another week off to heal but the doctor say’s “he’s clear”. I just dont understand!

    thanks, Wayne

  15. By kkfan on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    @ Brad Wheeler, you are ridiculous! I think you should have read Kevins comments in his interview with the media regarding how he felt. He said he was disoriented. Meaning he wasn’t sure where he was .
    Given that he had a concussion before (while with Philly) I think he is better equiped to know how he felt and explain his feelings than someone who only watched from afar . In the stands or on TV. Anyone who has taken the beating he has taken this season (having been sacked 30 times) and no doubt hit just as many more. Is far more tougher than you are given him credit for being. It’s only through his toughness given to him by his faith in God that he hasn’t been injured far more than he has behind that o line.

  16. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Kerry Rhodes is a big-play guy and having him back in the lineup will make this very good defense that much better. Should be fun once he’s up to speed with the playbook and endurance. Might have to wait until next season to really judge his impact on the defense.

  17. By kardskrzy on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    The players know who is the better man. You can see the protection for Skelton improve immediately. John also has better pocket awaremness. Lineman work hard for who they want behind them. Ever been an offensive lineman?

  18. By Kevin on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Sad, just sad, that some people have the mentality that they do. We already had to listen to bluepitt with all his “man up” stuff and now someone else thinks that just because Kolb was not unconscious, he should have kept playing.

    I don’t really care about the comparisons to sandlot football, rugby, etc. And it’s the type of mentality being displayed here that is exactly why there needs to be so much MORE education and emphasis on concussions — because what happens in the NFL trickles down. If Kolb, McCoy, etc. go back in on TV after taking a blow to the head and being concussed or potentially concussed, then the high school QB coach in Texas whose kid takes a hit, but who doesn’t have the benefit of a top-notch medical staff to evaluate him, doesn’t himself have all that much training in recognizing the symptoms of a concussion, and doesn’t even have the benefit of replay to see what happened (and may not even have seen the original play well enough to even think anything of it), is just going to send the kid back out there as long as he’s breathing. After all, you just have to suck it up, man up and be tough, right? Because all the medical science in the world doesn’t matter when there’s football to be played.

    Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

  19. By Darren Urban on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Wayne —

    RE: Kolb “cleared”

    He has passed tests, but that doesn’t mean his symptoms have fully subsided. Check the injury report every day. If he isn’t practicing fully — i.e. limited — after a concussion, it means it is still bothering him.

  20. By Wonderingwhy on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Kolb should sit this one out that way we will have a chance to win. Skelton / Bartel / Kolb…..

  21. By Moon on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Skelton is the better quarterback, I agree.

    4-1 this season as a starter, he’s practically the reason the Cards have a shot at a Wildcard. Whisenhunt knows this.

  22. By Brian on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Well said Kevin!

  23. By Scott H on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    I thought of the exact same situation. Aagin, these things take time to properly heal and it just doesn’t seem that one week is enough. Let Kolb rest for another week. I want to win out just as badly as anyone else, but…it ain’t like we’re playing for the division or a higher playoff seeding. AND I would like to think we don’t need Kolb at his best to beat the Browns in our house.

  24. By Brad Wheeler on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Kevin, i never said Kolb should have kept playing, i said if he was tough he would have tried one more series. Medically ofcourse it’s best not to try to play on, but sometimes your passion for the team and for the sport overtakes that and you decide to play on. I’ve seen a lot worse, players losing consciousness in elite sports and they don’t even leave the field to rest, they just walk it off, not in a straight line, but they walk it off and keep playing. That’s tough. Kevin definitely has some toughness in that any NFL QB who takes the field has to have some toughness, it’s a tough sport, but on a scale of 1 to 10 he’s no where near the top. Does that mean he’s a bad player? No, he can still be an awesome QB, hopefully he will be.

  25. By Chuck 1 on Dec 16, 2011 | Reply

    Bravo, Kevin, for continuing to try ti bring some sense to the concussion discussion.

  26. By kardskrzy on Dec 18, 2011 | Reply

    I remember Skelton on his first pass as a rookie in training camp. It was a pre-season game and he threw a 30-40 yard sideline pass completion. Kolb hasn’t thrown one of those yet. Skelton’s timing is also much improved by throwing before the receiver makes his cut. I don’t care how tough Kolb is or isn’t. He is not the answer at quarterback. Nuf said.

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