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Talk of Haley’s return, and Keim’s future

Posted by Darren Urban on January 5, 2012 – 11:16 pm

Everyone was wondering – including me – if the Cardinals would have interest in bringing back Todd Haley to the coaching staff. Well, apparently there is. Kent Somers reported tonight Ken Whisenhunt will talk to Haley about coming back. There are no openings as of now, but that obviously can change quickly — and there also is nothing that says the Cards can’t just add another coach to the staff. It would make sense that Haley would come back to run the offense, but if that happened, I don’t know how offensive coordinator Mike Miller fits into the equation. Right now, Miller is OC, while assistant head coach/offensive line coach Russ Grimm has a say in the running game and, of course, Whisenhunt has an offensive background.

The Cardinals struggled with inconsistency on offense all season. The Cards had just three first-quarter touchdowns in 16 games, and scored more than 21 points just five times. But over the second half of the season, they also performed well late in almost every game and frequently came up with big plays.

The Cardinals were tremendous in 2008 with Haley running the offense, but then again, that was also with Kurt Warner at quarterback, Anquan Boldin as the second receiver and the ability for everyone to have been together for all of 2007 before it clicked the Super Bowl year. He took the Chiefs’ head coaching job a couple of weeks after the Cards’ Super Bowl loss.

Haley, fired this past year by the Chiefs, still has a year left on that contract so he may not want/need as much money is 2012. But it is noteworthy that Haley was making $1 million a year as Arizona’s offensive coordinator before he left, and I’d assume he’d carry a similar price tag (and Grimm –pictured  below with Haley before the Cards’ Super Bowl, is also receiving seven figures). Haley kept his house in Arizona even after taking the Kansas City job he liked the area so much.

Certainly he’d bring an intensity like no other. He can get under people’s skin, but he can motivate; Larry Fitzgerald swears by the guy and often credits Haley’s ways as helping him step up to the next level. Of course, talking to Haley and actually getting to the point of hiring him are two totally different things. We will see how this develops.

The news also broke from multiple outlets Thursday that the Rams had asked for permission to interview Cardinals’ director of player personnel Steve Keim for their vacant general manager job. Keim previously had been considered for Seattle’s GM job a couple years ago. Keim runs the Cards’ scouts, losing him (and there has been nothing said whether Keim will actually talk to the Rams) would impact the Cards’ offseason, no question.

UPDATE: The news has also come out that the Rams will interview defensive coordinator Ray Horton for their vacant head coaching spot. Jeff Fisher has been considered the leading candidate for that job.


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96 Responses to “Talk of Haley’s return, and Keim’s future”

  1. By Shaun Church on Jan 5, 2012 | Reply

    I think I speak for all fans when I say that rehiring Haley would be the biggest acquisition of the offseason, no matter who the Cards draft or add through free agency. Gotta get it done.

  2. By Code on Jan 5, 2012 | Reply

    Dear lord I hope so. This alone would make the off season a success.

  3. By Ernie on Jan 5, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, whats next? Warner as qb coachk? haha.. just playin. With this being already news if he were to want the job how soon could he be hired? Is there a waiting period as with free agents?

  4. By Jeff on Jan 5, 2012 | Reply

    Haley: don’t care either way. But losing Keim would suck.

  5. By stephn on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Time to get Haley back and build a future Super Bowl Squad. Make it happen, Cardinal nation is starving for a title! 2008 still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Goo Cardinals!!!

  6. By Flood on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sure this has been mentioned, but Haley left after 2009 playoff loss to New Orleans not the Super Bowl. Am I wrong? Either way, hope he comes back.

  7. By Soares20 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Man I don’t even know what to think of this we finally have the pieces set lets not take a step back and lose all of our coaches and front office, one change….max

  8. By Morten on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    If we could get Haley back for 2012 that would be the frosting on the cake! The fact that Whisenhunt admits to showing interest is a good sign – if he does get signed it’ll be interesting to see what Haley can do with this new offense. If you had to pick the probability of Haley coming back, what would it be Darren? 50/50?

    Regards from Denmark

  9. By cole on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    darren
    i was wondering if the cardinals were willing to spend the money on a great 2nd reciever? i know its a long shot but as if desean jackson was to leave the eagles?

  10. By fightingbird on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Comeback of the year Mr.Haley and Miller and Keim hate to lose ya but Miller you know how it works and Kleim if you can better your self well good luck.

  11. By K-DUB on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    IMO, I wouldn’t want the fans to consider this as Haley crawling back to the Cards. It is simply request for his services. One thing is for sure if Haley does come back our current and future receivers may finally become terrors to secondaries.

  12. By 98CardsFan on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Haley running the offense and Horton the defense would be huge for this orgainzation. Gets Whiz focused on the game at hand(or crawl under a rock if need be) while these two gurus do their jobs. I see these guys under those roles getting the best out of those players. I pray this is the outcome. Draft Courtney Upshaw of Alabama to finish that last missing level of defense and try to get the most out of offensive players and we are set. Am a big Kolb supporter so I hope he got enough reps to get a grasp on that position and to see this defense do what the Ravens did in 2000. Wouldn’t mind defense being the main attraction in Az because thats never been the case. Ever.

  13. By wnycardfan on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    read a rumor that Rams were looking at talking to Ray Horton about head coach. Any word on that?

  14. By Red C on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Please Don’t Let Ray Horton Leave!!! This defense can only get better with Ray at the helm. The defense was vital in winning 7 of the last 9 games of this season. Give him a fat contract extension or bonus or something. Too many good players and coaches have come here, made a name for themselves then get caught in other teams nets when the off season hits.

  15. By tom watson on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, There was twitter talk last night that cards had let a coach go? Know anything for sure?

  16. By azcards65 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    plleeeeeasssseeee come back haley!!!!! grimm it’s been nice to know ya good luck but you, and your line full of potbelly pigs gots to go. WE NEED SOME WILD HOGGS!

  17. By D on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    I would tell Rams No on Keim and now Horton

  18. By Bob-O! on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Wow ! This sounds like some really good news! wish we could have Breaston back as well…. I LOVE ALL YOU GUYS! (agape love)

  19. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Ernie –

    RE: Timeline

    Haley could be signed today if that’s what both sides wanted.

  20. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Flood –

    RE: Haley

    Todd left after the Super Bowl. The 10-win season in 2009 had the Whiz/Mike Miller/Grimm trio as offensive coaching leaders.

  21. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Morten –

    RE: Haley

    If the Cards are willing to talk to him, I think the probability is higher than 50 percent.

  22. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Cole –

    RE: Jackson/No. 2

    I don’t see them signing a high-dollar No. 2.

  23. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    wny –

    RE: Horton

    Yes, Horton is interviewing for the Rams HC position.

  24. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Tom Watson –

    RE: Coaching staff

    No, I don’t know anything for sure.

  25. By Eric on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Like him or not, he was a great OC, something we clearly lack. Let’s bring him home Cards!

  26. By SteveDCO on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Horton leaving would be devastating! The defense just found their groove and have to bring in a 3rd DC in 3 years would equal disaster.

  27. By clssylssy on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    WOW!… just heard on ESPN that Cardinals Defensive Coordinator, Ray Horton, along with others, including Jeff Fishe, are being looked at by the Rams. I have to say that this came like a kick to the gut after the way Horton turned our defense around this season and the sense of consistency and cohesiveness that started to shine through in the end. I realize that it is the professional dream in this business to be the Head Coach for a solid NFL franchise, which, despite their difficulties the past couple of seasons,the Rams are, showing greatness in the past. . I, SINCERELY HOPE, that the Cardinal front office, coaching staff, and players will put every effort into keeping Horton around in the same way that they did in keeping Fitz around. It seems that if we could put together a consistent and solid coaching staff with Horton and Haley and build the O-line,we would be close to building that “dream team” again. Everything I hear on ESPN, NFL, FOX Sports, and interviews with coaches, points to consistency being the key to greatness. Sure hope the front office learned something about the value of key personnel in their handling of the Anquan Boldin “drop”. On the other hand, Q, is going to the playoffs. THANK YOU COACH HORTON… THE FANS APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID FOR OUR CARDS… PLEASE STAY! …and Phoenix is a much better place to live than St. Louis. (fyi Darren Tony Gonzales kept his house in KC also)

  28. By MIKE G on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren–I would like to see Haley here–it would only bolster the coaching staff and be an asset for Kolb and Skelton. I think he works well with QB’S and knows our staff and owners. If it happens–what do you see with Mike Miller??? Probably just generate a new position among the coaches???

  29. By TUCSTEVE on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    horton better not leave. if he does the defense is screwed and any hopes of getting back into the playoffs

  30. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    clssylssy –

    RE: Haley house

    In this case, I think it means a little more.

  31. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Mike G –

    RE: Mike Miller

    There would probably be some shuffling.

  32. By cardfan6 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    we need haley and horton! dont loose horton he was by far the most consistant coach this season

  33. By cdubbbbb on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Yayyyyy! Let’s take 1 step forward and 2 steps back! Gotta love how we can’t hold onto important pieces within this org. Honestly, I could care less about Hailey coming back. It would be awesome, but id rather not lose Keim who seems like a vital person in our seemingly great scouting over the past couple seasons. And losing Horton would really piss me off, especially if he stays in this division. I know Horton leaving is unlikely but its very possible.

    Let’s work on retaining the guys we already have before going out and adding new people. Plz don’t hender the progress we have made this season. We needs all hands back on board next year. If we lose these key guys Idk how id feel, I’d prolly just say “same ol cards.”

  34. By Rich on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    there should be some minimu required tenure for coordinators before another team can steal them….at least 2 or 3 years.

  35. By Card's Chick on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Losing Ray Horton now simply is not acceptable. Period. I hope he has started something with the Cardinal’s that makes him want to stay. It would be awful to lose him now…and especially if it is to a team within the Division.

  36. By GW on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    i hope haley come back to the cards BUT the bigger story is that the rams are interested in horton.everytime the cards have a little success i’ve notice teams try to take away their players and personal especially the nfc west the 49er’s try to get warner then they got edwards (im glad they did that)knowing the cards were interested,the hawks got whitehurst(im glad they did that)now the rams are after the cards personal.coach whiz (i can’t believe im saying this) be like the steelers and keep your personal.

  37. By Brian on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    wouldn’t they have to ask for permission for Ray Horton as well, he is our DC.

  38. By GW on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    i hope haley do return to the cards but the bigger story is the rams are interviewing horton this will hurt the def progress if horton gets the job.once again a nfc west team try to undercut the cards.the 49er’s tried to get warner,they got edwards(i’m glad they did that) the hawks got whitehurst(i’m glad they did that) also tried to get kolb now the rams are going after the cards personal.who’s next DARREN URBAN?

  39. By brythybo7 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Darren-

    Are coaches interchangeable at certain positions? Like if we got Todd Haley back and Russ Grimm was let go, would Mike Miller be able to fill in the OL Coach position? Or does it not work like that?

  40. By Chris Hughes on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    PLEASE RESIGN HALEY HE IS THE BEST PLAY CALLER IN THE NFL PERIOD AND WE HAVE MISSED HIS SPECIAL PLAY CALLING ABILITIES THAT GIVE US THAT SPARK EVER SINCE HE LEFT. (AND YES WE HAD WARNER FOR ONE MORE YEAR AFTER HALEY SO IT WASNT LOOSING WARNER IT WAS LOOSING HALEY. COACH WHIZ IS A GREAT COACH BUT NOT A GREAT PLAY CALLER WE NEED HALEY PERIOD SIGN HIM LONG TERM ASAP~!!

  41. By APCARDS on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    HI Darren,

    Let’s hope for Haley to come and Horton to stay!

    Also, do you think they would use their first round draft pick on a WR?

    Thanks!

  42. By Chris Hughes on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    to the guy talking about making sure we keep horton. I’m pretty sure he signed a multi year deal so i’m not uderstanding your concern? yep just checked it was a three year deal

  43. By angel on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    this is exactly what happened to him in Pittsburgh he had a good season then cards got him!!!XD stay Horton you helped us a lot this season!!!!!!!!!!

  44. By Phoenixraven1 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Please Horton don’t leave!!!

  45. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Brian –

    RE: Permission

    If they do, it’s a formality. Teams can’t stop assistants from head coaching interviews.

  46. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    bryth –

    RE: Coaches

    They are interchangeable to a point. In that scenario, no, I don’t think Miller could fit that role. And Grimm isn’t going anywhere.

  47. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    APCards –

    RE: First-round pick

    No, I don’t think they’ll use it on a receiver.

  48. By stewart badly on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    @ cole

    Desean Jackson? Another Eagles free agent? No thanks, we had enough with Kevin Kolb and Stewart Bradley, in wich we invested a lot of money, Kolb didn’t show he is the answer at QB. Bradley, in obvious passing situation , was the right outside passrusher in sub-packages used by Ray Horton and he didn’t have a single sack.
    Desean Jackson is another injury prone just like Kolb.
    We need to draft good and develop our own players just like the superbowl champs GB Packers. Thank you.

  49. By D on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Haley= Gamble

    I hope they bring back Haley, because I don’t have to pay his most likely 7 figure salary, but Whiz must know if he does and the team regresses next year, it probbably would be his last season as HC in AZ

  50. By Brandon LA on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    What’s all this Ray Horton interview stuff with the Rams Head Coaching job?

  51. By cardsalltheway on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Losing Keim might just get us an offensive linemen, something we need. I say it’ll definitely affect us alright, positively. Now, if only Grimm would interview for something elsewhere. And if Horton gets the head coaching job with the Rams plus Todd Haley as their OC, the Rams will have our number next year since we would still be stuck with the same play-caller with less of a defense.

  52. By carlo italy 7000 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    darren why there is not asking to interwiew russ grimm??

  53. By Brian on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    I hope we do end up with Ray as DC and Todd as OC. The offense had trouble generating points this season. Say, It makes me kinda wonder… How come there aren’t any females as oc’s and dc’s? Are females just no interested or is it against the policies or rules?

    And for the first draft pick, pick a consistent offensive linemen.

  54. By Brian on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    or females as any kind of coach lol

  55. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Carlo –

    RE: Grimm

    Because he is no longer the “hot” candidate. That’s how these things go.

  56. By AndHeSansSupper on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    The possible addition of Haley would bring back the pickup basketball games of yore.
    My question, Darren is, if it was Whiz and Haley at the 1 and 2 spots, Somers and yourself at the forward positions, who did/would play center?

  57. By az1965 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    I have noticed it several times that Kent Somers get the breaking news before you even though you are the insider… Any reason? Thanks.

  58. By az1965 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    BTW, we should deny Horton interview.

  59. By Alberto Sordi on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Earlier this week in Chicago there were rumors that the Bears might be interested in talking to Mr Keim.

  60. By cards62 on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    Thanks for the good news on Todd Haley. Speaks well of Whisenhunt that he is talking with Haley. No guarantees but a good sign.

    I remember last year we wanted to talk with Pittsburg LB coach for our DC and Pittsburg refused to let us. Are the rules different if a guy is going for a promotion to HC verses promotion to DC?

    I do not want to lose Horton, He is my Cardinal 2011 MVP.

    Go Cards!

  61. By Scott H on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Hope people realize that if Horton WERE to end up with the Rams as HC, it WON’T be because the Cardinals “let him go.” It would be HIS choice to move up the ladder – which we ALL aspire to do in our careers – and as Darren points out, the Cardinals cannot stop him from taking a HC position. It would suck but it won’t be a failure on the part of the Cardinals.

    As for Haley…ultimately, I would love to see him return. BUT there are no guarantees that the team zips right back to where they were in 2008. I still do – and always will – believe that Kurt Warner was ultimately the guy who made that offense run at the level it did. Kurt Warner is gone and it is not realistic to think that either Kolb or Skelton or anyone else playing QB for this team next year can perform at that level. The hope would be that Haley is able to recognize what THIS offense does best and build the game planning around that. Also – as he did with Fitz – perhaps he would push guys to reach a higher level. Then again, that won’t work with everyone like it did with Fitz…

    When Haley was last here, the offense was built around Kurt Warner and what he did best and that was quite evident. With Kolb and / or Skelton and / or whoever, it’s much less evident what THEY do best, so…hard to know what THIS team would look like with Haley at the offensive controls. But I would like to see it.

  62. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Az1965 -

    RE: breaking news

    To quote the great Emmitt Smith, it is what it is.

  63. By Darren Urban on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Az1965 -

    RE: deny permission

    As I noted before, you can’t deny an interview for an assistant to be a head coach.

  64. By BIG RED on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Boldin was my favorite player with the Cards back in the super bowl years. I felt Haley was one of the reasons Boldin wanted to leave the team, so I say NO to Haley. I also think he had issues at Kansas City with the players. Once he was gone from the team, they started winning. It wasn’t just Haley it was the kind of players they had on offense that the team was successful (speaking of the Cardinals).

  65. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Jan 6, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    Much like the Cards can’t deny Horton a chance to interview for a HC position, are the Cards unable to deny Keim a chance to interview for GM (pretty much the HC equivalent for a personnel guy)?

    That said, I’m surprised Keim has lasted this long wothout being picked up as a GM. He’s certainly proved himself and put his time in with this organization and I’m sure everyone in the organization could agree he’s earned the right to move up the career lader with another team. Horton, on the other hand, needs to finish what he’s started. You can’t do that in just one year – a year that got off to a rocky start. If I was an owner/GM, I’d need to see Horton follow up his late season success in 2011 with a couple more years of success before seriously considering him for a head coaching spot. Horton will get to that point, but he’s got unfinished business in AZ as I believe Whiz and Graves would also attest to.

  66. By cole on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    stewart badly
    i agree we paid to much money for kolb but with the options out there we had to try something. and im sure desean jackson will end of goin somewhere bad as a number 1 reciever but i believe with some1 as fast as him would b great beside fitzgerald.

  67. By Jesus G on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Horton > Haley

    Horton + Haley = Domination!!

  68. By Chris on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    SCOTT H

    Good Read and I agree with you 100%! It’s hard to say how he will build the offense especially with the little play time kolb has. But I know he will build it better than anyone else and he will still create those genius and beautifully drawn plays that he always does. Man when KC took their division he took a crap team and turned them in to a Competitor. an exciting competitor that filled the seats. I don’t care if were not the 5 wide throw all the time O that we were with Warner I just want to win and Haley will allow us to do that. He will create more points and more big plays which is what we need! Sign him oh and do remember I love Kurt and he was/is great but when Haley left we just didn’t move the ball as well and have those big plays as much and we still had Warner for 1 year I believe. Like you said he makes the O run to the QB’s strengths sign him Asap!

  69. By real cards fan on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Somers report is inaccurate; he stated that Haleys departure coincided with Warners retirement. How can someone who has been writing about the Cardinals so long be so wrong? Warner played in 16 games Hayleys last season as OC and won 9 of those games….the year after Hayley left Warner played in 15 games and won 10 of those.

    I’ve never been one to put Warner or Hayley on a pedestal – they were both fortunate to have good teams surrounding them.

    The team didn’t take a turn for the worse when they left – it took a turn for the worse when we lost our defensive stars and Anquan. And not to mention when Whiz decided after one brief off season that Derick Anderson was a better quarterback than Lienhart, what a joke. If Lienhart had stuck around he would have eventually replaced Anderson as the starter and we wouldn’t have had this QB fiasco we have had the last couple of years.

  70. By real cards fan on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    If the cards are smart they will draft all linemen this year – look to free agency for a proven veteran #2 receiver and let the best man win between Skelton and Kolb. I’ve been on the Skelton bandwagon since Lienhart was dismissed and after viewing this video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5124133

    I firmly believe, just like the coaching staff, that Kolb still deserves a shot. Like I said, let the best man win. In my opinion it will be Skelton but I wouldn’t be disappointed with Kolb either.

    Oh and bring back Hayley, that should be a no brainer. I’ve said before I would never put Hayley on a pedestal, but he is better than the alternative.

  71. By real cards fan on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

  72. By cards62 on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H.

    I know you want to see Haley back like almost all of us, and I agree that Kurt Warner was a big part of our success. I do not know how much of our success was because of Warner, Fitz, Haley, and Whisenhunt, but I know the offense has been very poor with only Fitz. and Whisenhunt.

    Scott remember that Haley won the other west, AFC, with Matt Cassel at QB only in his second year so that speaks well for Haley and KC ran the ball well until all of their RBs were hurt. Haley’s father also was the personnel man for the Steelers for a long time and you living in the east know all the great studs the Steelers drafted. Hopefully his talent evaluation skills rubbed off on his son.

    You and others can argue that the Cardinals went 10-6 and beat the Packers in the playoffs the next year without Haley, but with Kurt Warner which speaks to Kurts greatness, and of course the great seasons Kurt had in St. Louis.

    Kurt Warner is a first ballot hall of famer in my book, but I know he is not coming back, and Norv Turner is off the table so Todd Haley is perfect for us. I am excited that Coach Whisenhunt is speaking with him and feel that if we land him that our offense could actually improve in 2012. We definitely saw improvement in our defense over the year, but not really with our offense.

    Haley also left before Beanie Wells arrived so I am excited to see how Haley will use Beanie. Seeing what he did in KC with RBs I am excited for this. Our last 2 pro bowl caliber running backs I remember were Thomas Jones and Garrison Hearst unfortunately most of their success was after they left our Cardinals. I hope Haley can excite Beanie and make him a pro bowler so we do not lose Beanie like we did Hearst and Jones.

    Go Cardinals and Go Rod Graves as you are on the clock.

  73. By azfancolo on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder if the return of Haley would bring out that something special in one of our qbs, I agree with Scott H on the Kurt Warner part he was a special qb. Hey Darren do you think if Haley comes back would the Cards resign Doucet and maybe go back after Breaston? Its weird but there is something about Doucet that if Haley came back he could possibly turn him around.

  74. By dynasty1717 on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    I assume so, but can you confirm that the Cards granted permission for Keim to interview with the Rams? Throughout last year’s draft, I continued to hear that Keim was considered one of the best in the NFL at his position. Darren from your perspective, if Steve moved on, how negative of an impact would that have on the Cards (trying to assess how much strong depth the Cards have in this area)?

  75. By Shaun Church on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    With the pending restructure of Levi Brown’s contract (or ultimate release) and the cap space being added to the top of the cap next season, if Haley returns do you think we have the ability to afford—and lure—Dwayne Bowe? He had a good relationship with Haley and enjoyed the best season of his career with Haley.

    That Fitz and Bowe combination would be Fitz-Boldin-esque.

  76. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Big Red -

    RE: Haley/Boldin

    For the last time, and I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned this before, Boldin’s departure had nothing to do with Haley and for you to continue to say as much is simply wrong.

  77. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Ottis -

    RE: permission

    Honestly, I am not sure about that.

  78. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Azfancolo -

    RE: Haley impact

    First Haley would have to be hired. But no, Breaston is under contract. And I don’t think it would change whatever they are thinking with Doucet.

  79. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Dynasty -

    RE: Keim

    I don’t know if Keim was granted permission. And I think it would hurt to lose Keim.

  80. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Shaun -

    RE: Bowe

    I am guessing they will not be spending a ton on a second receiver. And I question he would want to be a No. 2.

  81. By infitzwetrust on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    just read a report on nfl.com stating there close to a contract, at this point i thinks its safe to say haley will be our oc next year, miller would move back to qb coach. im calling it now, haley will be signed in the next 7 days. on a side note darren, why cant i use a free email provider for the message board???

  82. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Infitz –

    RE: Haley/Message

    Until Haley happens, it happens, but I think once news broke they would talk, I thought it meant a likelihood he returned.

    As for the message boards, the problem was too many people trolling and getting banned and then coming right back with a free email and creating more problems. Sorry.

  83. By CreditCard on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    I thought if a coach was moving laterally, the current team has a right of refusal. However, if a coach was advancing — it is based on the free market premise. The Rams would score two ways in hiring Horton. A good coach, and damage an NFC West foe.

    I think it speaks highly of Whisenhunt in talking with Haley. I think Whisenhunt has done some classy things in his tenure at AZ. He never speaks ill of a player or coach in public, nor does he become bigger news than the players. Shows me leadership skills.

    I am in hopes Horton stays, and seasons his DC skills more. A tribute to success, is losing quality coaches. To me, the league is looking at Cardinal coaches — this is the highest form of complement. Year past, i don’t beleive this has happen before. Please correct me if you can recall when prior Cards coaches were wooed to come to other NFL teams.

    Again, thanks for the good reporting.

  84. By Darren Urban on Jan 7, 2012 | Reply

    CreditCard –

    RE: Lateral vs advance/coaches

    Well, first of all, in the NFL’s eyes, you are either an assistant coach or a head coach. A coordinator, in this situation, is a lateral move compared to, say, a linebackers coach. So you are right, in a sense.

    As for the last time a team came looking for one of our coaches, there was Kansas City and Todd Haley.

  85. By clssylssy on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren: Don’t the Coordinators sign contracts? If they don’t, they should. They are a very critical piece of building a strong team with any longevity. I know that contracts don’t necessarily guarantee anything (as in the case of Kurt Warner who still had a year before he bailed) but it provides a certain sense of security for all concerned. I realize there are always special circumstances with players and that giving up a couple a mil is nothing more than a speed bump in the road, however, it speaks to their character and credibility if they just run out on their word for bigger and better things. In this day, it’s almost impossible to do anything without a contract be it rent a house, cell phone service, dish TV, etc., and so I can’t imagine that vital personnel wouldn’t have to sign a contract?

  86. By Eric on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    Here is why I am so high on Haley. I recall when Warner left the Rams, he was in decline. His years following in NY were absolutely horrible, his tenure there was not good at all. Part of his problem there may have been the system they put him in, as all QB’s thrive differently in different systems, clearly. However, his play was not good there.

    I am of the belief that under Haley, Warner basically resurrected his caeer. Remember, he was brought here as a back-up, there was no interest at the time in him starting. Lucky for him, Leinart got hurt. Had his career ended in NY, I’m not sure he has such an easy time getting into the HOF. I realize that is a strong statement, but lets just look at the numbers.

    Haley may be a strong personality, in fact I believe now he has proven he is not HC material, but he is an outstanding OC and understands the QB position as well as any coach in the league. That is why I so strongly believe getting him here, and keeping him here, would be the most important thing to happen to the team for some time.

    If we can get the same continuity on defense, we will be a force for some time to come.

  87. By azfancolo on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren anything yet in your mind that suggests that Haley is coming back?

  88. By Darren Urban on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    clssy –

    RE: Horton contract

    The contracts these guys sign all have standard clauses that allow them to go become head coaches if they are given the opportunity.

  89. By Darren Urban on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    azfancolo –

    RE: Haley

    Judging by various speculation, it sure sounds like it very well could happen.

  90. By William Barry on Jan 8, 2012 | Reply

    Darren:

    I sincerely hope we DO NOT lose Horton….He has really turned around our defense into an aggressive style of play…and let us not lose steve keim, who is the master of scouting, that has allowed the cards to have very good drafts the last couple of years…It would be great to have Haley back, but what would happen to miller???GO CARDS TO THE SUPER BOWL IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!

  91. By kkfan on Jan 9, 2012 | Reply

    @ Stewart Badly, I thought only Eagle fans were unrealistic but guess there is plenty of that here as well.
    First off, to expect Kolb to come in and be yourr savior when he had no off season with the team. Not having joined them until July 28th. Then no mini camps. No OTA’s. No PLAY BOOK until A WEEK before pre season was to begin. Is not only ridiculous, but unbelivably delusional expectations.

    As for the injury prone tag you guys are placing on him . He had A concussion when in Philly. That lasted one week ONLY. Andy had publicly stated that Kolb was still his starting QB. Even after having suffered the concussion. Then for whatever reason only known to those making the decisions decided to go with Vick. Many felt that it was due to the fact that Vick was more of a McNabb type player. Not a pocket passing QB that Kolb can be if given the right protection.

    The foot injury from what I understand that Kevin sustained was caused by too factors. Playing on artificicial turf to develope turf toe, and aggravated farther by getting stepped on by a player. Hardly an injury that is considered to be habitual…or injury prone as many on here like to claim.

    DeSean Jackson has had a few injuries. One being a concussion and a hamstring injury. But his recent issues have been far more damaging than any physical injury. That is letting personal issues effect his desire to give it his all. Andy seems to like the kid. So I’m sure he will help DeSean see where he is money wise according to the market.And what he has accomplished.So I don’t think you have to worry about him comming here. He has already said if they put the franchise tag on him he will accept it . I think he has come to realize his holding out at T/C. And his not giving it is all in many games this season, has harmed him far more than it has helped him where other teams interests in him would be concerned. Teams don’t want to deal with malcontents. And they shouldn’t have to with the kind of money they pay these guys.

    His having been the ONLy player in the history of the NFL to be voted to the Pro Bowl in the same year ( 2010 ) at two positions WR/PR I think inflated DeSeans worth of himself. And the help of the fans inflating his ego didn’t help any either.

    I feel confident that you will be singing another tune come this next season, where Kolb is concerned. Now that Kolb has had a season in this system. Has developed a feeling for his recievers/ TE’s and gets a full off season to add to that experience and knowledge .

  92. By cardsalltheway on Jan 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren says…”Haley could be signed today if that’s what both sides wanted.”
    Propaganda is all this is, why would Haley want to work under Ken W. again? Ain’t gonna happen, Ken W. is going to have to dig himself out of his own hole!

  93. By cardsalltheway on Jan 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’m glad both Atlanta(GA) Falcons and Pittsburgh Steelers lost. I wonder who Ken W. was cheering for? Ken W. ought to get a house with a ‘W’ shape like Herschel W. from Georgia. The Steeler offense almost looked as bad as the Cardinals, hummm, I wonder why? And, the Steelers defense looked almost as bad as the Cardinals the past 2-3 years and beyond(except 2nd part of 2012 season).

  94. By Scott H on Jan 9, 2012 | Reply

    azfancolo / Chris / cards62 -

    Thanks for the replies. At the end of the day, I would love to see Haley back here.

    Eric -

    While I certainly don’t disagree with you that Warner benefitted from Haley as OC, let’s also remember that Kurt Warner continued to perform at a level of greatness through 2009 wheh Haley was no longer here. Look at some of his performances that year…completed 24 of 26 passes against Jaguars….and that playoff game against the Packers??? More TD passes (5) than in-completions (4)??? Probably THE most incredible performance by a QB I have ever seen. And as a team, the Cardinals did not lose consecutive games during that whole season, which was a better performance than what the team did in the regular season the year before. Just sayin…Warner was here for that, Haley was not.

    Doesn’t matter, we’re splitting hairs at this point. I think we agree that we want this man back in town!

  95. By Eazy E on Feb 15, 2012 | Reply

    You gotta pay for what you want. We badly need another #1 caliber WR especially if we lose doucet which I hope we don’t. Desean,D-Bowe,Vincent,Stevie,etc. are #1 caliber WRs, why not pair one of them with Fitz!

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