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The idea of adding at wide receiver

Posted by Darren Urban on February 26, 2012 – 9:08 am

As this year’s crop of wide receivers run their 40s here at the NFL combine, it’s as good time as any to note that, yes, the Cardinals will look at the position this offseason.

(And as a side note, 40 times don’t mean as much as you’d think. Nice to have speed, but Jerry Rice reportedly ran a 4.71 at the combine. Larry Fitzgerald was a 4.63. Both turned out OK, in my opinion.)

The Cards will have Fitz and Andre Roberts next year. Early Doucet is a free agent and while there is a chance he could return, we will see what the market — and the Cards’ plans — turn out. The team will look over the free-agent market. That does not mean, for instance, they would bring in (if he does hit the market) someone like San Diego’s Vincent Jackson or that ilk. They have a No. 1 receiver in Fitz, and don’t need another. Yes, I have heard the arguments that Boldin was a 1A, but guys that are No. 1 potentials want No. 1 money, and it makes little sense to invest that kind of cash into two pass catchers.

Guys like Pierre Garcon and Robert Meachem make more sense to me. They have speed and, in theory, aren’t as expensive. The latter could change and that will impact the Cardinals. As general manager Rod Graves said the other day, the team sets the value for each player and then goes from there. At some point, each team needs to decide how much adding that free agent is worth. Garcon, for instance, reportedly declined a five-year contract from the Colts. Does that mean he is expecting a huge deal? We’ll see. We’ll see what the market bears.

One reason teams like having free agency before the draft is because free agency can be about need and there is a little more of “best player available” at draft time. Given the deep crop of UFA receivers this year, it makes sense to make a stab there for whatever the Cards might want to do, because you’d figure to get more for your money. If the Cards come out of free agency without a receiver, I’d think they’d look very hard at taking one in the draft.

The Cards still have young guys like Stephen Williams and DeMarco Sampson, but in both cases I’d think their most likely landing place would be as a fourth receiver if they take another step forward.


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55 Responses to “The idea of adding at wide receiver”

  1. By AZbelgium on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    Which players or what positions you think the cards will draft?
    I know we have some weak spots in the O-line and could upgrade some other spots too… But what are your guesses in this, being so close to the team you should have a better idea. Just if you could give some names you think will get drafted or even just positions.

    And do you think the cards will trade some Draftspots maybe?

  2. By mat turner aka lowercase on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Couldn’t agree more Darren…. would be a gift to get Garcon… after landing Colts ex-rec/QB coach… more bait for #PEYTON2AZ

  3. By Peter in Canada on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Casual fans see the signing of free agents as a solution to all the team’s problems, As you point out in the article Graves, out of necessity sees the situation somewhat differently. It is almost automatic that the free agent sees himself at a higher value than Graves does as well as the team he is leaving. In other cases the FA has a lot of baggage and it is a case of buyer beware. Teams who are perennial SB contenders can sometimes sign players who really want to win for less than market value but teams such as the Cards will inevitably have to overpay. The only way for us to build a team is through the draft. We should be very selective about the signing of FA’s and in this, I think Graves is on the right track.

  4. By AndyStandsUp on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Here’s an apocalyptic scenario where the Cards would need another receiver:
    Chestor Taylor let go – highly likely.
    Doucet and Chansi Stuckey leave team – very probable.
    Todd Heap released – money and injuries could be possible.
    God forbid, Fitz gets injured.

    That would leave Kolb, Skelton or Manning with Rob Housler, Jim Dray and Jeff King at TE. Non -catchng entities at RB (other than LaRuSH) and Roberts, Jaymer Johnson and the Williams brothers at WR.

    Methinks a WR could be in order.

  5. By Paul H on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Thanks for the reports Darren. I would think this training camp is probably the last chance for Stephen and DeMarco to lock on to the roster. Stephen doesn’t play Special Teams and DeMarco came in a few years older than other rookies. Both have to make that next leap or teams usually move on.

  6. By DontTakeLoses on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Good analysis Darren. Like to to see Early back, made big strides.

  7. By Patrick on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    What about a wide reciever like Reggie Wayne?

  8. By Richard on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Darren-

    I heard about the Steelers not resigning Hines Ward, any legitimate chance of him coming to the Cards? I know he is getting older but I feel we can get at least 2 good years out of him, if he doesn’t have a big asking price.

  9. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    AZbelgium –

    RE: Draft

    Let’s see what happens in FA before figuring out draft needs. As for a trade, always possible. So hard to tell this far out.

  10. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Patrick –

    RE: Wayne

    I think he’d be less likely because he probably sees himself as a No. 1 and wanting that money, and he’s not a spring chicken. Makes more sense to be to go younger.

  11. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Richard –

    RE: Ward

    I think Ward is at the end. They don’t need a slot guy anyway.

  12. By rio on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Hines Ward can’t even walk these days, forget about it.

    Get the kid from North
    Carlina State, he can fly.

  13. By John the draft guy on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Alright
    Time to go against the grain a little bit.
    I would rather use FA money towards a Cam Wimbley, Richard Marshal, or a second tier OL .

    I would rather have the team look at a guy in the 3rd round like Joe Adams from Arkansas. Pegged as a slot WR, he can play outside and blow the top off a defense, He is very much in the mold of a Desean Jackson.

    I know people are going to be yelling for Stephan Hill out of Georgia Tech. At 6’4″ and 215 pounds, he put up a 4.36 40 time. Problem is, GTech ran a triple option and he just didn’t have a ton of production. Hill is strictly potential.

    Let’s face it. Fitz wants his 80-100 catches and 1300-1600 yds and 10 tds. Roberts can catch 40 balls, and so can Heap. What we need is a guy who will stretch the defense and have an explosive play or two a game. I see Adams as a guy who get 40-50 catches 800+ yds and 8-10 tds.

    Plus, don’t go to sleep on Sampson. No camp or OTAs, yet popped up on everyones radar in preseason. I think Demarco could push Roberts for playing time.

    Save the money on wrs and use it to get that pass rusher or OL. Then turn around in the 1st round and get that OL or pass rusher you didn’t get in FA.

  14. By Judy on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t you think we have enugh old Steelers on the team,and coaching.No to Hines Ward.

  15. By Scott H on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    I like the idea of Pierre Garcon. I like it a lot. He has been pretty impressive the past two seasons but I don’t even know how many people noticed this past year with Manning not playing and the Colts falling off the radar as a result. I think he is one of those guys who is better than a lot of people know and has yet to be as good as he is going to be. Catches a lot of balls deep, makes tough cathes against good coverage, has good hands, good concentration.

    I’m less excited about Meachum. With the emergence of Jimmy Graham this past season and Lance Moore continuing to be a favorite target for Brees, Meachum and Henderson were much less prominent in that offense. So…is that because there just aren’t enough balls to go around in that offense, or did they fade into the background because that’s just where they kinda belong?

    I think Garcon would be an excellent addition. But whatever they do, it needs to be more that they did last year. Chansi Stuckey did about as much as I figured he would ( next to NOTHING ) and neither Roberts or Doucet did enough to give conifdence that they can be a a bona fide #2 WR. Either one of those guys looks more like a #3. And as for the other guys ( Sampson, Williams, etc ), I know some people are excited about them, but…where are they??? If one of them happens to break through, great. BUT, again, what we cannot have is a repeat of last year – where we go into the season with Fitz and a whole bunch of question marks. There NEEDS to be an apparent up-grade during this off-season.

    I know we’re not going to land a Vincent Jackson or Mike Wallace. Fine. But there HAS TO BE an up-grade that falls somewhere between studs like that and Chansi friggin Stuckey.

  16. By brad oneill on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    im thinking Juron Criner would make me happy.

  17. By Javi on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    hey darren, how are you? just wanted to leave a little message, do you think that the cardinals may have some interest in wide reciever Mario Manningham?

    and also if the cardinals do indeed sign a player like Pierre Garcon, that just adds to the whole Cardinals getting Peyton Manning scheme………wouldnt you agree?

  18. By georgiebird on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    The draft choice for the Cardinals is very clear cut. With an offense that is “slow footed” at every position, there is a special need to draft a fast wide receiver with the #1 choice. The Cardinals have to begin to stretch the field to allow for a whole host of plays like screens and draws to work.
    Last year both Julio Jones and AJ Green came ready to play and both players became forces on offense even though both played with average QBs at this stage of their careers in Ryan and Dalton (yes, I consider both QBs very average last year). It’s up to Whiz, Graves and the draft gurus to make it happen. If Kolb is re-signed (mistake), a FA WR becomes too expensive.
    Boy, would Roy Green fit this team to a tee right now.

  19. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Javi -

    RE: Manningham/Garçon

    I think Manningham would fit in the Garçon or Meachem level, yes. As for a a cause and effect of Garçon and Mannningham, no I dont see one creating the other necessarily.

  20. By Bryth on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    - Darren

    Are you numb from everyone asking you about Peyton Manning yet? Cant wait till March 8th so I dont have to hear everyone’s sorry pipe dream of having him here.

  21. By Scott H on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Javi / Darren -

    RE: Manningham

    For what it’s worth, there is a story on NFL.com right now reporting that Manningham may be destined for the Buccs. But I agree, he would also be a very attractive option. In my opinion, he and Garcon are very similar caliber players. And either one would make me very happy.

  22. By Joram on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Please bring in Manningham or Vincent Jackson they could help us

  23. By georgiebird on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    Hope the Cards steer clear of Mario Manningham. He’s a fragile WR and not big at all. His speed is Ok not great. I would be very suspect taking a receiver that owes so much to E Manning. But it was a great SB catch.

  24. By Cactus jeff on Feb 26, 2012 | Reply

    Can’t disagree with your analysis more. The Giants had 2 pro bowl type WRs. Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz, 1&1a. Saints have Graham and Colston. Packers Finley and Jennings. Patriots have Welker Gronk and Hernandez. Eagles have Maclin and Desean Jackson. All great offenses with 1&1a receiver/TE. Finally, Kurt Warner went to the super owl with Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce, then with Q and Fitz.

  25. By Rob Milne on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    http://robmilne.blog.com/2012/02/25/the-wide-receiver-hole-in-arizona/ My views on the situation (I’d go with Garcon)

  26. By shannon robinson on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    It’s a funny thing, but there are certain guys like Todd Heap who are always open – great separation and for some reason they can do it on third down or in the end zone when it matters. If you’re at the Stadium you can watch a guy like Todd and as he breaks in the clear suddenly you look back and the ball is already in the air. You can ask yourself, “How’d he do that?” Skelton and Kolb can tell you better than anybody.

  27. By Eazy E on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    We better get a big time WR, did you check out andre last year?!

  28. By cardsalltheway on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    ‘Judging Character’
    Sorry Keim, but 8-8 didn’t cut it this year(those same players had a POOR start). I wonder about Ken W.’s philosophy on matching players with cities, or why a player wouldn’t fit Phoenix? Hey Darren, why don’t you ask Ken W. about that?
    Much has been said about showing live player interviews at combines, I want to see live interviews with coaches. Darren, can we see a tape of Ken W.’s interview(unedited)?

  29. By brad oneill on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    I am really liking the Cards strategy of having Rod Graves follow Deuce latui around and eat as much off his plate as he can to help keep Deuce from getting fat.

    on wide receivers I actually think we are in a better situation that it looks like on paper. Stephen Williams was fantastic in camp as a rookie, last year there was no time for him in the shortened camp and he faltered and fell backwards. I think with a good off season and some added bulk he could be a very solid number 2 in the model of Breaston, Roberts could be an equally important 3 in the slot and a two tight end set gives the qb five solid options. Housler, Heap, and King are all excellent options. I think SKeltons brother should be on the practice squad ready to move up if we get hit by injuries.

    The draft prospects at te will be very well screened with the success of Gronk this past year. Rather than looking for the next Gronk we should be looking at how he was used by patriots and see if we can imitate that. He is a talented guy but the scheme deserves some credit for his unparallelled success.

  30. By cards62 on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    I love your title. We really need to add a quality WR.
    Catus Jeff makes a good point. I will gladly take 3 years of an A. Boldin type WR production next to FItz. and then have to deal with a star WR attidute rather than put up with 3 more years of Roberts – Doucet.

    I would love a Jackon or a Bowe, but I think our reasonable best play is Garcon.
    Will be very interested in seeing what kind of money Reggie Wayne will receive in free agency. I would take Meachum over Manningham. Manningham drops a lot of passes and disappears from games. We really need speed to stretch the field.
    I hope our young guys Sampson and Williams come along and turn into stars, but I think we need a proven star now, and injuries happen.
    I think we all agree a little splash like a Chansi Stuckey is not worth it, Garcon would be a nice addition.

    I would like to see us pickup 2 to 3 nice free agents to fill gaps. Too many holes for the draft alone. Free agents are more predictable than rookies.

    Go Cards and Rod Graves you are on the clock.

  31. By Darren Urban on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Cactus Jeff –

    RE: Two star pass catchers

    Then you are talking about drafting one high. Because you can’t pay two via FA without hurting yourself somewhere else. Cap only allows for so much, so who are you giving up? Saints are about to lose Colston because his rookie deal is over. Finley was willing to sign short-term. Gronk and Hernandez are dirt cheap under rookie deals. It wouldn’t be a shock the Eagles let Jackson go now that his rookie deal is over.

  32. By D on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Update from Oakland, Nice Non answer on Wimbely…

    Q: Where do things stand with Wimbley, Huff, players that may or may not have contract issues…

    Allen: Right now, with all those guys, we’re looking at all our options and what we have to do from a financial standpoint to make sure we put ourselves in the best position to get the best players out there and be on our final 53-man roster. So between Reggie and myself, we’re working through all those scenarios right now.

  33. By WildCard on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Now that we got our defense we need our offense back!!

  34. By Matt in Philly on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    In my opinion, the Cards have three areas to address this offseason: a consistent offensive Tackle, a dangerous second receiving option, and a OLB who can put some pressure on the quarterback. Fortunately for the Cards, there will be options to suit each of these needs at the 13th pick. At that spot, the best OT on the board will likely be Jonathan Martin, and when you compare him to the field of free-agent OTs, this looks like a great pick. The best receiving option available will likely be Kendall Wright, who I think would be a great #2 next to Fitz, but it is hard to spend a first-round pick on a guy who will not be your #1 receiver. On the other hand, you’d be hard-pressed to find a free-agent receiver with his speed or his hands. In my opinion, Meachem is your best bet on the open market, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Wright as a Card. Finally, the Cards would be lucky if Melvin Ingram fell to them at 13, but it’d be hard to pass him up considering that teams rarely let 1st-round talent escape into free-agency. I think that the most likely pick is Jonathan Martin. The Cards badly need help at that position, should be able to find a good #2 receiver in free-agency, and might be comfortable with Acho and Schofield, who will both be having their first training camp with year.

  35. By ch on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    cards need to draft dre kirkpatrick

  36. By CrazyLady25 on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    John the Draft Guy–

    Wake up! Stephen Hill caught deep balls when he was thrown the ball. He is an upgrade over Demarcus ?, the guy who caught the winning TD pass for the Broncos in overtime. If he is on the board in the 3rd round (he won’t be), the Cardinals would be crazy not to draft him.

  37. By Cactus jeff on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren
    Like your response! Still disagree though. Victor Cruz changed the Giants offense, Graham changed the Saints and when Jennings was hurt for the Packers they lost 2out of 3 at the end of the year. Largest proportion of salary cap needs to be applied to Wrs and the pass rush.

    The team with the best QB doesn’t win….the team with the be best QB play wins games…..elevate our QB with great WRs and apply pressure to the opposing QB…..with that formula even Eli can beat Brady!

  38. By Darren Urban on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Cactus –

    RE: WRs

    Well, I guess we will agree to disagree.

    Cardinals, 2005: Fitz and Q each have more than 100 catches. It didn’t make Josh McCown a winner.

    Cardinals, 2009: Only one game example, but Warner shreds Bears in Chicago. GREAT passing day. Anquan was out with an injury.

    You are right, best QB play wins, but the only way to have the best QB play consistently is to have one of the best QBs.

    Brees was awesome in 2009 and pretty darn good in 2010. Graham wasn’t there in 2009 and a non-factor in 2010. WRs help, but it starts at QB. It always starts at QB.

  39. By drummer-1 on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    @cardsalltheway

    Have you notice Darren haven’t responded to you in months, that should tell you something.. No one cares what you think..

  40. By John the draft guy on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Crazylady25

    Hill might be the real deal. And yes, he did catch the ball when the few times they threw it to him.
    But when you break it down, he has been a one trick pony. He is a deep threat in a very simple pass offense. It’s not his fault and he may grow into a quality WR.

    Now, I’m not saying he won’t become this years Torrey Smith. But make no mistake, he is a project.

    I just prefer guys who produced instead of potential.

  41. By Dominaysean on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Manningham, Garcon, Meachum, OR even Larent Robinson would be a nice pick up. That realistic wish list is in order also.

  42. By Cactus jeff on Feb 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    Good points. You are right having one of the best QBs should always be the goal

  43. By Marcelof on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    I still believe Cards’d better step up as franchise

    championships come to those who dare, take risks may it be with payton or any WR.

  44. By Kofari on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Darren!

    Will Cards Restructer Kolb Contract Fitz Contract And Included Levi Brown Contract And Cut Stewart Bradley To Keep Cap Space In Arizona For Key Pieces In free Agency?

  45. By Darren Urban on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Kofari –

    RE: Restructures

    Levi would have to be done to not hit free agency, because they won’t let him stay at that price. I don’t think Bradley is cut, and no, Kolb’s contract won’t be restructured.

  46. By Philadelphia Eagles heater on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Fat Andy Reed last year said and I quote “who ever gets Kevin Kolb will be a superbowl conterder”…..and Ken W. and Rod Grapes felt for it and now we are stuck with a back up QB making 62 millions…..and what realy got me mad is the signing of Steward Bradly 30 million for another back up player…. what a joke. Time to admit Ken W. and Rod Grapes that made a mistake and cut their loses and pay that money to a pass rusher and an ofensive tacle.

  47. By Darren Urban on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Eagles heater –

    RE: Time

    It’s probably also time to admit you are terrible at spelling and that it tends to take away credibility.

  48. By drummer-1 on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Darren i love your commit to Philadelphia Eagles heater, maybe he meant Hater, hahaha, but thats was funny…

  49. By Scott H on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    Eagles heater -

    With your apparent IQ, you really should become an Eagles fan. You would fit right in with their intellectual capacity.

  50. By Dre 1368 on Feb 28, 2012 | Reply

    I think we won’t be able to get the wr that everyone is trying to get. Garçon would be great but at what cost I think a better option would be Chaz chillins from Oakland big and fast medical problems for sure but for the money we can get him for cheap with fitz to mentor and j Lott to show him the proper training to not get hurt we have a bad ass combo with Roberts in the slot

  51. By Scott H on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Dre -

    RE: Raiders

    Seems like the Raiders are loaded with young WR’s that during any given one or two week stretch appear loaded with potential. Then they disappear for the next month and someone else steps up. But how do ya know which one, ya know? Seems like even the Raiders don’t know! I would be leary of touching any of those guys until / unless someone shows some consistency. Right now, any one of them would be a crap shoot. I’d rather see the Cardinals target someone who is more established, LESS of a crap shoot. Chansi Stuckey was a crap shoot. And we ended up with crap.

  52. By Dre 1368 on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    Scott h I said cheap they were a power running team so that can only go so far and worst qb problems then us

  53. By joey on Feb 29, 2012 | Reply

    lets not overlook the fact that the cards need improvement on the o line u cant throw the ball if ur always getting hit and sacked

  54. By William Barry on Mar 7, 2012 | Reply

    Yes, we need a WR…Garcon would be a great pick up, but let us see what DeMarcos Sampson can do at WR—he has potential….if given the chance.

  55. By gorilla on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    get braylon edwards everyone forgot about him

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