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Where in the world is Peyton?

Posted by Darren Urban on March 9, 2012 – 3:30 pm

The always-morphing Peyton Manning story continued Friday as bits and pieces leaked out and everyone tried to analyze what it all meant when nobody with the initials P.M. was actually making comments.

As of this writing – it seems like things will be changing often, or at least be seen through a changing prism – Manning is in Denver. (You can see the photo and everything.) The Denver Post and ESPN are both reporting that, and also reporting that the Cards will get a visit from Manning while he is out West.

Some stories make it sound like the Broncos, Cards and Dolphins have the visits and are the final three. Another said Manning is just doing due diligence in order of convenience. But if Manning really wants to make a decision in the next few days (as another report said) then he can only visit so many places.

Who really knows?

A quick signing makes sense for teams to be able to move on with the rest of the business for building toward 2012. It seems odd that Manning would sign somewhere without throwing for a team, but maybe he’s already figured he’ll let a team protect itself in the contract for that possibility (and maybe he’s so sure he’ll be back he doesn’t even see that as a risk.)

But at this point, The Courtship of Peyton is a living, breathing thing.


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74 Responses to “Where in the world is Peyton?”

  1. By Nick Pepe on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    This is some crazy stuff. Could it possibly happen?? Fingers crossed.

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member

  2. By Johnny on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    36 years old and getting nailed by some 300 pound Defence minded 4.5 sec forty yard Linebacker or DE when it is 18 degrees and the turf is like a sidewalk,whew! Get me to Phoenix quickly.

  3. By Jason on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I think Peyton knows better than anyone whether he will be ready, so I don’t see that as a worry. As to the visits, this is the most prepared, most intelligent QB in the history of the NFL. I would fully expect him to visit teams he knows little about to see the team, the coaches, the owners, the stadium, heck even the weather!

    I think the Cards have a GREAT chance to get him with a visit. Come one Peyton, I’d love to buy a #18 Cards jersey!!

  4. By DontTakeLosses on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    If or when Manning comes, my bet Mrrs. B don’t let him leave w/o a contract!!??

  5. By D on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I wonder if AZ doesn’t get PM, will they still be agressive in making enough contract changes to still bring in and sign other FA players after Tues?

  6. By carlo italy 7000 on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    darren
    do u know what kind of meeting coach whisehunt had in florida..was something about his job or some personal reasons??

  7. By Paul H on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Well if PM showed up tomorrow and wanted to throw he would have to find a field. Warner is having his flag football benefit tomorrow at the complex. Maybe I’ll hang around Corona Del Sol HS in case he shows up. This is kind of exciting isn’t it. Of course if PM picks another team Tuesday we all will feel sick to our stomach. ;-)

  8. By Ken Cadena on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Get rid of the BUM”S, and sign PM!

  9. By CardiacCards on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, How much do you think this means to the cards that he would even consider us after considering all our troubles in the past? Also do you think this is a PR thing the cards are doing to draw attention?

  10. By Kurt on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton Madness, it should be interesting

  11. By LUKE on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Cmon Larry!Pick him up from the airport!I mean ,really,who can deny Larry?!

  12. By Mr.Ramirez on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton Manning is great but Kevin Kolb hasn’t had his time to know this offense. Give him an offseason and he’ll get it done.

  13. By Darren Urban on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Donttake –

    RE: leaving without contract

    My guess is that Manning is going to work on his own timetable.

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Carlo –

    RE: Whiz in Florida

    I’m not sure he was even in Florida.

  15. By Darren Urban on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Cardiac –

    RE: questions

    1. Troubles? Not sure I understand what you mean.
    2. No, this isn’t a PR thing. They would like to sign him.

  16. By Jason on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    Has there been talks of moves to improve the O line? If anything deters Manning from picking the Cards it would be the number of sacks the combined QBs took last year.

  17. By Jason on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Mr.Ramirez,
    I agree to a point the Kolb hasn’t had time to acclimate, but not taking Peyton Manning in favor of Kevin Kolb would be madness. Even acclimated, I don’t see Kevin Kolb equaling the production of arguably the best QB in history.

  18. By CardiacCards on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    1.By Troubles I Mean Being Perennial Losers. Until Recently Of Course.
    2. Didn’t Think So.

  19. By earlbb88cards on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    It really bugs me that marshall Faulk would say that PM will not come to the NFC because of a SuperBowl matchup dream of his family, that is the dumbest statement i ever heard, So the family dream is to hurt one of the hearts of the loser in the superbowl and praise the other, someone would have to lose right , also PM does not have the window of time it will take for that task to happen, and finally a superbowl win is a superbowl win who cares if it in the nfc or afc or even against your own brother, but that is the dumbest statement from an analyst that i have ever heard , Come on Marshall how well do you really know the Manning family, but I think if its about winning the superbowl and a team with the pieces to make 4 straight runs at it, you would be smart to take the easiest route there, weak div in the nfc west will give you automatic opportunity every year PM is here to win a superbowl, I like those odds. Also you dont want to deal with the chance of failing against Tom Brady and the patriots again for the next 4 years, peytons being more familliar with afc , i think its the afc familiar with peyton, jets, pats, chargers and now texans have his number, time is running out and superbowl is all that matters than it has to be Arizona ….. unless its about money and wit PM we know that is not the case, I hope the cards get Fitz down here for the PM visit. do you think that will happen Darren?

  20. By Chris Lewis on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I hate to get too excited, but just the mere possibility of Manning coming to Arizona gets me going. He’s still got a few good years left, and if we have a chance to get him, we can’t pass up that golden opportunity. He’s one of the all-time great QBs. The Cards are already a decent team, but to add Peyton Manning, that puts us over the top and gives us a very good chance to reach the Super Bowl again and hopefully win it this time. I like Kolb, but c’mon, it’s Peyton Manning, we gotta go after him. So Darren, if we are fortunate enough to land Manning, what do you think will happen with Kolb? Do we cut him, trade him? I’d appreciate your thoughts on all of this.

  21. By Jason on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    And here’s another thing working for us, I think Peyton and Whisenhunt would work EXTREMELY well together. Whiz is definitely Peyton’s style coach, and is defensive minded, allowing Peyton to possibly have more reign over the Offense. I think it would be a fantastic fit.

  22. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    If Manning wants to be signed by the FA start, as some have suggested, wouldn’t restructuring/cuts have to be done by then, noting the top 51 players have to be under the salary cap? Or am I missing something again?
    And how’s the relationship between Graves and Peyton’s agent, Tom Condon? By from what I read, they seem to have a good history.

  23. By cards62 on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren you have been very busy lately. Thank you for all the great articles and keep up the great work.

    I know there is a good chance we will not land Peyton Manning, but I do love and feel the fans excitement in talking about the posibility of Manning being a Cardinal.

    Landing Manning would generate so much excitement for our team and really fire up our players. They loved playing with Warner and we could have that again. We would even be playing on Monday Night Football again and maybe be a regular on the program. Manning would be great for the franchise in many ways and it will not hurt that he will generate a lot of cash and positive exposure for our organization. I try to stay grounded as I remember when we drafted Joe Nameth, but of course he went to the Jets instead.

    Fix our OL and get Manning and Fitz. and A. Wilson and Beanie Wells together and I think the next 3 years will be the most exciting and best 3 years of our football lives. Manning & Fitz and Wilson are even better off the field than on the field and we have other fine men on our team. You talk about a team and players for fans to root for and call your team man o man make this happen Rod Graves and I will not say another negative word about you, well for at least 3 years anyway.

    Go Cards!

  24. By joe holst on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton is good, it would be nice to have him, however Darren would you agree that if it falls through the Cardinals probably have the best back up plan of any of the Peyton chasers with Kolb and Skelton.. ?

  25. By Peter on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I guess the question is cap space… Darren, do you have more exact figures than $10-30 million? Also, if Peyton does sign, how does this affect FA market for the Cards and draft? What can fans expect? Is this even feasible in the first place?

    @Mr. Ramirez Are you high? Peyton Manning is a HOF QB, perhaps one of the greatest football minds in the world. In one off season, he can accomplish what would take Kolb many years. We will see plenty of Kevin Kolbs that hold on to the ball, get frustrated and play low calibre football, but we will never see another Peyton Manning. I’m sure Kolb can learn to manage the game, but to sign Larry for that $80 million contract and have him be an option when we need yards makes no sense and is simply cruel to do. Can you deny one of the hardest working players in football because you wanted to give an unproven player a chance? I’m not going to bash Kolb, but Peyton Manning is once in a lifetime.

  26. By Ehdee on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    if we land peyton or not what do you think our chances are at getting carl nicks or one of the two saints free agent recievers? I think either one of them would compliment larry pretty well

  27. By Cactus jeff on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    Did you hear Kurt Warner on the radio talk about the importance of having a minimum of 2 great receivers? I hope the Cardinals have plan of getting Wayne and maybe another WR or as Warner puts it, cardinals are behind the broncos and dolphins. Can you say it? I was wr…g. I was rong…we need another great WR moving forward with PM or Skelton. Just kidding

  28. By Mal on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Darren-

    Everyone enjoys your blogs and posts just fine, but this story is really huge for the Cardinal Nation the whole world over, so pleeeeze — this is your moment to shine, this is when we really need you to come thru for us and keep us informed as often as you can with anything that you hear or that you can dig up. You should have the inside scoop on this story and let us know here first.

  29. By Matt in Philly on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’m seriously doubting Manning comes to the Cardinals. The fact that he’s said he wants to get something done by Tuesday, the day before free agency opens up, tells me that he wants to go somewhere that they can bring in more pieces. Translation: somewhere with money. The Cardinals simply don’t have enough of it right now. As a team that needs two offensive tackles and a #2 wideout, it just seems like Peyton would feel more comfortable somewhere else — even if the playing environment here (retractable roof, real grass, great weather, Fitzy) can’t be beat. Let’s hope that management makes a push to shore up that line and to give whoever we put behind center the best chance possible to succeed.

  30. By Mal on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Carlo-

    Whiz was in Florida for a meeting of the competition committee, which he’s a member of this year.

  31. By Mark G. on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I think he’ll make his decision by Monday; I still think it’s Denver & Miami, then the Cards. I hope I’m wrong.

  32. By cards4life on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Coach Whiz is on the committe for compettion they had meeting in florida this week that why Whiz was there offically, but its rumored that Rod Graves made the trip as well, doubt they would pass on the chance to at least meet or talk to PM while in florida thou

  33. By cards4life on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I think It’s going to come down to denver and arizona, alot of hype about miami but I dnt see it happens, I believe Fitz, and the fact that warner came here late in his caree and had so much success gives us an edge although being in the NFC proble negates some of that (Eli). Not sure that wheather is going to play an overall factor, being successful is PM main concern and when it comes down to it nothing else matters other then were PM believes his best chances to win are.

  34. By brad oneill on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    so is kevin kolb feeling like the most unloved man in the valley right now?

    SInce there is at least a 66 percent chance Kolb will start for us this year i just want to say, if we dont get Peyton at least we will be set at quarterback for the next 10 years or so with a very solid QB that never really got a fair shake last year. We saw how much time it took our defense to get on the same page and here Kolb was coming from another system, having his bell wrung as Levi Brown started off the season playing matador before finally settling into playing at a very high level.

    Kolb is a winner, its so freaking obvious that some guys just have it and he has it. The real tragedy would be if we got Peyton lost Kolb and then Peyton never recovered enough to play. We would be out all that money for kolb, Kolb would be leading Denver to the playoffs, Skelton would be expected to step up and honestly he hasn’t even had a full offseason yet being deep in the depth chart for his first injured and truncated second,and probably sitting on the side as Peyton is given full control of the practices right up until it was learned he couldnt play.

    either that or peyton comes in more focused than ever, takes us to the super bowl and finally faces Brady head to head in the super bowl.

  35. By Bob on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Manning is a great quarterback, but I think he will sign with the Colts for less money. Stop dreaming!

  36. By azirish on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    San Fran had a lucky year. They caught everyone off guard. Miami’s football/baseball stadium(nobody likes playing on an infield), plus fighting with the Patriots and Jets twice a year Come On Man…Bidwell-cut anybody you need to and get Manning and Wayne here now!!!!!!!! We will easily win the division next year!!! Nobody in the NFC West will be able to contain that offense, nobody(yea you too SF!) Because if Peyton does have 4 more years of Peyton Manning football left in him, new nickname for the Cards “Greatest Show on Dirt!!!!”

  37. By Killa B on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    Mr. Ramirez –

    Kolb has had eight years to learn and develop. He has ‘special needs’…

    Mr. Cadena –

    The only bum that needs to go is Kolb. Skelton and Bartel can stay. Bartel can read defenses, Skelton has the size and the arm. The receivers need to catch the ball.

    Warner took a beating and didn’t want to finish his contract, and Manning is damaged. Both great quarterbacks, but I would think twice about playing with that o-line. Orton would make a good backup and come at a less expensive price than what Kolb is getting. That frees up cap space to get some decent pass protection.

  38. By Andrew on Mar 9, 2012 | Reply

    I’d love to greet him at the facility, think that’d be possible?? Have you heard what is happening tomorrow? Is he gonna be here? And I saw fitz is in DC… I assume he’d come back to be here to help woo Peyton?

  39. By KurtM on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    Do you know if Fitz will be in on the meeting with Wiz and staff when PM gets here???

  40. By cardsalltheway on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Unproven Kolb = 60 million contract
    Proven Manning = 120 million contract
    On another note: I’m thrilled for the NFC West with the Rams deal, they’re my 2nd favorite team! Imagine us with P. Manning, the 49ers, and now the Rams. Wow, just Wow! Watch the SeaChickens win the division:(

  41. By cardsalltheway on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    The Rams coup d’état has changed things for us in the draft according to WalterFootball’s predictions…
    1st Round – Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford

    3rd Round – Jonathan Massaquoi, DE/OLB, Troy(The Cardinals need to think about finding some competition at rush linebacker across from Sam Acho). Pick Change; previously – Mitchell Schwartz, OT

    4th Round – Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma(Starter-turned-nickel corner A.J. Jefferson really struggled in 2011, so the Cardinals will think about bringing in some depth at the position). Pick Change; previously – Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB

    5th Round(143rd pick) – Lucas Nix, G, Pittsburgh(There’s a strong possibility that the Cardinals could double dip on the offensive line in the first few rounds. That’s how dire the situation is at that position). Pick Change; previously – Omar Bolden, CB

  42. By tyman on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Roll out the red carpet red bird nation.

    Manning you are hands down one of the greates Qb’s with many years left in the tank. If you want the best chance to beat Eli in the super bowl ring race, well then AZ is the place to be. All these other visits are with good teams, but it seems like they have new coaches new managment. Whiz and graves have been to the super bowl and will likly be again. Just sayin AZ is a great fit Peyton and we would love to have you. Go cards.

  43. By tomanycards on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, have you seen the Broncos stadium/facility? If so, would you say they are nicer/more dated, than the Cards? What are your views of the Cards facility/stadium compared to others across the league that you have seen?

  44. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jason –

    RE: OL

    The Cards do want to improve the line, yes.

  45. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Lewis –

    RE: Kolb

    If Manning were to sign, my guess would be they would release him.

  46. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands –

    RE: cap cuts by signing

    You are correct.

  47. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Joe –

    RE: backup plan

    You could make that argument.

  48. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Peter –

    RE: feasible

    If the team wants to make it work, they can make it work.

  49. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Ehdee –

    RE: Saints FAs

    Don’t expect Nicks or Colston. Maybe Meachem.

  50. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    KurtM –

    RE: Fitz

    No idea. Not even sure when PM is supposed to show.

  51. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Tomanycards –

    RE: facilities

    I don’t see it being the difference-maker either way.

  52. By Big Red on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Jim Irsay is sleeping better at night knowing that he is saving money by cutting PM… he made the investment and drove his range rover off the lot to exempt mileage… now he is going to laugh at whomever picks up his trashed beat up vehicle….. PLEASE michael bidwill DO NOW SIGN Peyton….. We have Kolb….. Sick of rolling the dice on a QB EVERY YEAR!!!!! Super Bowls are NOT WON IN FREE AGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. By Andy K on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    If the Cards sign him to a 3-5 year contract, what will happen to John Skelton?
    I know that Kevin Kolb would be cut but does that mean that John Skelton would be the starterin the next 3 to 5 years oris he going to be released after his contract expires?

  54. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Will Peyton make our offensive line play better?

  55. By Thomas77 on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    So the latest speculation on the PM and AZ meeting is that PM may not make into town today because of Kurt Warners charity event. Darren, do you know any more on this? And I’m sure your guess would be as good as mine, but if that is the case…I don’t believe that would be a positive turn of events….

  56. By KC on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    PEY-TON! PEY-TON! PEY-TON! (starting a chant!)

  57. By Louisville Card on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, I saw where Dallas Clark was released today. I know we have heap, but any chance they go after Clark as well and cut heap?

  58. By ChiCard on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Chicago Tribune reports today PM says he’ll have a decision by Tuesday.

  59. By Thomas77 on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Another interesting thing is…the Broncos chartered Peyton’s flight out to Denver. So how would he plan on getting to AZ? Commercial? Somehow I don’t see that happening. Although, I’m sure there’s alot more to the story that we/I know anyway.

  60. By Matt in Philly on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    The more I think about this, the less keen I am to the idea of going after Manning. Signing him is actually a liability, because the money we tie up in his signing is money that can’t be spent to improve an offensive line that has, whether its fault or not, allowed three Quarterbacks to sustain significant injuries in the last three years: Kurt Warner, Max Hall, and Kevin Kolb. I would rather see us spend whatever money we planned to spend on Manning, and invest it in the offensive line, which would give whomever lines up behind center a better chance at success.

    My plan: cut Levi Brown (who for some reason has generated buzz as a serviceable LT because he was mediocre in three games last year), sign Campbell (the best 3-4 DE in the NFL to a long-term deal), and trade Kolb to whoever fails to land a QB this offseason for a 2nd round pick (perhaps the Browns and the project-loving Mike Holmgren). I know the last move is controversial, but I think that Skelton has earned the right to be a starter in this league. To maximize Skelton”s development, you take that ~$24 mil freed up by the aforementioned plan to sign the best LT available and a #2 receiving option (~$12 mil this year). Then draft DeCastro. Then Skelton would have several options to throw to, and a much better line to play behind. Use remaining space to get depth in the linebackers and on the O line. I’d take all that over one Peyton Manning any day

  61. By johnnybluenose on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    if manning is really going to make his decision that quickly, that’s great. then all the teams can get on with trying to improve themselves. and kolb, poor kolb can stop looking over his shoulder. let’s get this over with. please.

  62. By BIG RED on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t get the old bum and stay with Skelton. Also, drop kolb.

  63. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Andy K –

    RE: Skelton

    The NFL is a year to year thing. Something always can change.

  64. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Thomas77 –

    RE: Visit

    You are assuming he was supposed to come to town today in the first place. Maybe it was always Sunday. Or Monday.

  65. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Louisville –

    RE: Clark

    What does he have left? There is a reason the Colts cut him.

  66. By Scott H on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    Forgive me if you’ve said this and I just didn’t see it. Taking care of a family member these days and have not been able to follow everything as I normally do. As far as the Cardinals are concerned in this whole thing with Manning, don’t they have to know what’s what before the date Kolb’s bonus is due??? Isn’t that pretty much their deadline here? Obviously, they ain’t payin’ Kolb that bonus if they are planning on signing Manning.

  67. By Darren Urban on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H –

    RE: Kolb bonus

    Seems most signs point to PM making decision in time to make that choice.

  68. By Joey on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren,

    I heard Payton is flying into Arizona …………. Forget about blogging.. Get to the airport and greet him….. Be creative….. Bring Flowers… I’m up here in Canada or I would be there myself… I can’t fly to Arizona and make it in time because I live on the East Coast…. This is your chance to be part of Arizona Superbowl history.. You can be part of Cardinals history as the man on the Cardinals blog that helped serenade the man who would eventually brought Arizona 5 Superbowls in 6 years.. Eli couldn’t keep up in the ring count in the end…. Peace………

  69. By Mike Ellingboe on Mar 10, 2012 | Reply

    @Big Red,

    “Old Bum”? Unique characterization for a 4-time MVP.

  70. By Louisville Card on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    With that reasoning Darren, why would they go after Peyton or any free agent?

    I would say Dallas has a lot more in his tank than heap does. Maybe I’m biased…

  71. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Uhh, Darren, he’s been in Arizona since Saturday night….

    Nothing to say, have you? ;)

  72. By Darren Urban on Mar 11, 2012 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: Clark v PM

    Not saying Clark can’t still play some. But enough that it’s so much better so you, say, take reps from Housler?

    As for PM, that’s a unique situation so let’s not compare apples to oranges here. If the Colts weren’t in a position to get Luck/Griffin, Manning would still be a Colt. Of that I have no doubts.

  73. By Arthur Kinney on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    as a life long colts fan let me just say that Peyton Manning can simply will a team to 10-12 wins. And as far as worried about him getting hit, this guy is the least sacked guy in the NFL and only part of that is due to this line. PM can read his procession in 2 secs and get the ball out in a flat sec, and hardly ever does he hold the ball wondering what the hell is going on if its no there its not there he’ll dump it out of bounds and move on to the next play. And he never ever worries about whats already over with. I still remember him coming back from a 35-3 with 4 mins on the clock to win it in OT against the Bucs. If PM signs in the dessert I bet he can play another 4-5 years and get you to the promise land at least once. And if he can’t throw the ball he’ll make a hell of a coach and mentor for a young QB.

  74. By C.Webber on Mar 12, 2012 | Reply

    @Big Red,

    how on earth can you classify him as an old bum 4-time mvp super bowl champ and one of the greatest of all time just cause he misses one season doesnt make him a bum lmao i cant wait till he is taking the cards deep in the playoffs and then you will contradict yourself and act like you loved him all along

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