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Marshall signs with Dolphins

Posted by Darren Urban on March 14, 2012 – 7:01 pm

The Cards got offensive lineman Adam Snyder Wednesday, but lost cornerback/safety Richard Marshall, who tweeted out that he agreed to a three-year deal with the Miami Dolphins. The Cards wanted Marshall back, no question. Marshall said in the tweet “they made me stay in Miami lol,” which would seem to mean they weren’t going to let him go without him signing. That’s the risk you take when a guy hits the open market. Adam Schefter reports it’s a $16 million deal with $6 million in guarantees.

(Marshall, in a follow-up tweet to a fan, said “Az didn’t match.” Goes back to value for each player and what is budgeted for the position, as GM Rod Graves has said a couple of times, and at some point, a team has to decide when to push away from the table. It explains a little more why a deal for Marshall couldn’t get done before free agency. Drew Rosenhaus wanted a payday for Marshall and Marshall got it, and good for him. That’s business. That’s what free agency is about.)

Marshall became invaluable last season for the Cardinals because of his versatility. He was starting at cornerback by the end of the season when A.J. Jefferson couldn’t find consistency, and he played free safety on passing downs in his tandem with Rashad Johnson when starter Kerry Rhodes was out with a broken foot. I’m not going to sugarcoat and say Marshall won’t be missed, because he will and again, the Cards wanted him. At the same time, assuming cornerback Greg Toler returns and Rhodes remains healthy, they have some pieces to replace Marshall even if they don’t sign anyone else. Marshall, in fact, was running as the fourth cornerback in training camp before Toler got hurt.

Jefferson will be forced to get better, which they think he can given a full offseason. Jefferson was an undrafted rookie in 2010 and didn’t get  a lot of offseason reps and last year, of course, there was no offseason. That’s no guarantee Jefferson will step forward but it’s something to keep in mind. Where Marshall will definitely be missed is the locker room. He was a quiet, steady influence and studied video a ton. That kind of example is always good to have around.


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66 Responses to “Marshall signs with Dolphins”

  1. By Jeffrey on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Disappointed…

  2. By jr on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Man that sucks.

  3. By SteveG on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    It’s a business and Mr. Marshall did some GOOD business this day!! Congrats to you and you will be missed.

  4. By baded on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    the bleeding begins

  5. By CDJ on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    sad to see him go but i gotta admit i felt it would have been difficult to keep him, i hope he does well with the dolphins

  6. By AZFAN on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    I almost thought it said manning, i was very upset, luckily its only

  7. By Phoenixraven1 on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Bummed he didn’t want to stay in our system…but I do understand he wants to make $…Miami always over pays for these guys though…

  8. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    I had thought earlier that if Marshall was going to look for 4 mil or higher, he probably would be gone. Cards are too close to cap and have so many needs when Toler should be able to replace him.
    Guys are signing for outrageous numbers these first days of FA and teams are overspending.
    Speaking of which Darren, Synder 5 years – dollar amount known yet?

  9. By kreedos on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    seems like a common theme every year the cards lose an impact player or two. Ive been a fan of Marshalls since Fresno State…very disappointed the Cards didnt retain him..

  10. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    AndyStands –

    RE: Snyder figures

    Have not seen any yet.

  11. By cardsfan on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    Any updates on where the cards are in free agency? Are they in any talks with any players, especially wide receivers?

  12. By D on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    D Cord can’t be happy losing his MVP last year, I guess we’ll have to sign a William Gay as Vet guy….when they don’t get PM, I hope they at least get 1 difference maker signed this offseason. Yeah I know they are tight against the cap, but when K Wimbley gets cut, I want to see an agressive pursuit after him…

  13. By Dre 1368 on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Next man up like they say

  14. By Matthew on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Darren any word on how the meeting with chaz schillens went?

  15. By vnk on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Miami has a way with D players we like to retain…First Dansby, now Marshall!

  16. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Matthew –

    RE: Chaz

    No word.

  17. By in fitz we trust on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    toler better make sure he learns hortons system, hes basically gonna be the starter along with pp, alteast we have rhodes an wilson, still a good tandem, just hurts the depth… not a huge loss

  18. By desertspin on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    this was one player Rod should have paid more for & kept – our defense was the one part of our team that pulled us up out of 1-6 & Marshall was an integral part of that. Not Toler, not Rhodes & certainly not AJ. Big mistake to let Marshall get away . . .

  19. By joecb91 on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Toler and A.J. better step up big

  20. By lamehed on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren….

    Do you feel like this is a byproduct of being held hostage by the whole PM fiasco, or was Marshall really a luxury that we werent prepared to spend on? I personally feel like Marshall was worth the investment it would have taken to keep him on board…special teams stud, could fill in at safety, and would have played Toler out of a starting spot in camp…what are your feelings on the prime of free agency flashing before our eyes while we hold out for news from the Manning camp?

  21. By John the Draft Guy on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    I get it. If you believe That Toler and AJ are ready to step up, why overpay for depth? Marshall was going to have to battle to get on the field. He was valuable for us last year and personally I think he is better than AJ and Toler. But at that kind of money, it was time to let him move on.

    But I liked Marshall and he will be missed.

  22. By clssylssy on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    “Marshall became invaluable last season because of his versatility”…guess someone forgot to point that out to the front office! Every year it’s the same story…just when things start to click, we lose valuable players to the free agency because we can’t compete…or won’t. When positions are “budgeted” do they factor in the time it’s going to take another player to learn the system, get a chemistry going and mesh with the team? Anybody who has ever left a job for better pay and benefits should not criticize players for doing the same. In this case, if Miami signs PM it could also have the added benefit of a big ole diamond ring as a bonus! It’s discouraging for fans to see the lack of competitiveness in recruiting and retaining quality players by our team management….if nothing, the Cardinals are consistent about that, much to the cost to us all.

  23. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Lamehed –

    RE: Byproduct

    I believe (although I don’t know for sure) that this was because they didn’t want to pay Marshall $5M a season. Given who they already have – PP, Toler and Jefferson at CB, Rhodes and Rashad Johnson at FS – I think they decided they didn’t want a hefty price tag for someone who may not play all the time. Not that he wouldn’t have, but thinking, as I wrote, they had a value they put on Marshall and the Dolphins topped that.

    So no, I don’t think t was tied to PM.

  24. By Darren Urban on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    John the draft guy –

    RE: Marshall

    I definitely agree.

  25. By iluvbugel on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Does philly still want DRC? Can we have him back after they wasted him last year.

  26. By John on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Everybody,
    We face him this upcoming season so we will see how this deal affects us and we’ll also see how our good buddy dansby us doing with all his money.

  27. By lamehed on Mar 14, 2012 | Reply

    Either way I am glad that he gets a chance to start and got paid well for it…guys like that deserve it. Good luck RM!!! Give em hell in the AFC East

    Never been a huge Toler fan..hopefully he steps it up big time this season and lights it up!

  28. By cardsalltheway on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Toller will get smoked(because of his ACL injury) like A.J. Jefferson when left alone on an island, can’t count on him. He should be part of the nickle package.

  29. By dan on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Its all about the money.

  30. By joe67 on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Lets not make him out to be more than he was. He played pretty well in a rather weak secondary. If it was strong, like it may be this year, he wouldn’t have meant nearly as much. Hate to lose anyone, but agree, DO NOT OVERPAY!!

  31. By LB on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Why do we always do this? Spend money on other team’s leftovers and let our own players walk? For the production he gave the team, Marshall more than justified the contract he was given. He wanted to come back, the Cards wanted him back, so why isn’t he back? Peyton Manning delusions that serve no other purpose other than messing free agency plans? Or did they need the money to sign the versatile o-lineman who’s been equally terrible at all the positions he’s played so far? This team is so hard to root for sometimes.

  32. By azfancolo on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Ahhh man, hopefully bounce back and make some noise

  33. By Jason on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    People calm down….in case you didn’t know the NFL is a business. These guys have to make the best finacial decisions for themselves and their families. The fact that we are up against the salary cap and don’t have the money available to throw around means that our team has been spending money, but everyone wants to revert us back to what we were whenever we don’t sign a player. Do you forget we paid Dockett, Wilson, Fitzgerald? Guys we drafted and developed…that is how you build championship organizations. Look at a team like Washington, they break the bank every year and overpay for free agents and it hasn’t helped them get better. I applaud our front office for being analytical in their assesment of players value and sticking to it. As far as retaining players it has been well documented that we had comparable offers to Dansby and Rolle. Those guys left because they wanted to play elsewhere and that is ok. Boldin was a tough issue but to quote Rod Tidwell he wanted the “kwan” and after we drafted Fitz and made the superbowl run he was never going to be the man…Larry had the kwan.

  34. By Peter in Canada on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    I have to agree with most of the posters. It would have been nice to keep Marshall but in a salary cap world 16 M can be better spent elsewhere. The DB’s is one area where we appear to have sufficient depth. I can’t agree with the fantasy leaguers on this who want to sign everybody regardless of cost. Fingers crossed there are no injuries.

  35. By Jahstone on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    We still need another lineman (or two) and some Outside Linebacker depth. I would rather see us sign a solid OT for the same amount of money. If we can protect our QB, we won’t have to rely on our D as much. That said, Marshall will be missed.

  36. By D on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Names to consider the next few days for the holes the Cards have:
    D. Bell or L. Brown for Tackle
    J. Cotchery WR
    W. Gay CB (nickel-experience to young corners…)

  37. By toddcard on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    i never got comfortable with #31, i’d rather have a true saftey or corner who plays at max for that position, not someone who can do “pretty good” at multiple positions. good luck sleepin with the fish!

  38. By Giorgio on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Sounds like the Cards might be going on the cheap again, unless Manning has already quietly committed to AZ, and then they can surround him w/a bunch of solid guys to protect him in the pocket. regardless of Manning. Russ Grimm needs an O-line for Kolb, Skelton, or a real QB to me named later–a lot like his old Redskins Hogs that he played with. just think of all the good guys that have passed thru the hands of the Cards the last few yrs because they didn’t want, or could not pay for: Boldin, Dansby, Breaston, Antrel Rolle, to just name a few. re QB, the Cards haven’t had a long-time big name starter since Neil Lomax and Jim Hart!! 2012 is a pivotal year for Coach Whiz in my opinion if he can’t the guys to get the team to at least the second round of the NFL playoffs, and even that might not be good enough.

  39. By BleedCardsRED on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    I am super bummed out about losing Marshall. We are going to let that keep happening until we her a yes or no from Manning. Can we please bring in Tracey Porter? Between him, Pat P, and Toler…aslo with A Dub and Rhodes, our secondary could be legit! Darren, why dont we have interest in Porter?

  40. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Bleed —

    RE: Porter

    As far as I have seen, no one has expressed interest in him yet.

  41. By Voice of Reason on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Look, I think AJ Jefferson is a good story. But he will not get better. He just does not have the natural athletic ability to play the starting corner position in the NFL. That’s why he wasn’t drafted. Perhaps he finds a role in dime packages, or on special teams. But if we’re going into the season relying on him to play more than a handful of defensive snaps, it’s a weak link on the defense.

    Corner is a position where either you have the athletic ability your you do not. And if you do not, you will be exposed.

    Marshall showed is versatility because he could play safety as well and was a willing tackler. But he wasn’t, and isn’t, worth $18 million over three years, and the Cards made the right decision to let him go elsewhere.

    Now, take a look at the corners on the market and see who you might bring in. No guarantee that Toler can recover from ACL surgery, and the next guy is 5’6″. So bringing another guy in that has some NFL starting experience is a must.

  42. By Voice of Reason on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Tracy Porter would be a solid pickup. NFL starting experience. Super Bowl experience. Can probably be had for less than what Marshall signed for, and the Cards would actually be upgraging over what Marshall gave us.

  43. By juan on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    i would love to see DRC back….

  44. By Jesse Robles on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Darren:
    DId Ray Horton have anything to do with the “Price” they had for Marshall? If we do not get Manning, how do you think Horton would feel not getting Marshall? Just wondering about keepig Horton a little happy to keep him around longer. Just wondering. Thanks.

  45. By jose cruz on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    our only chance in recovering our loses will be to sign manning even though it seems highly unlikely that we do so, we still need to try because if we dont its back to having another 5-11 season i personally say we gamble and release kobb now giving us more time and money and as well as a better chance in bringing manning to AZ showing him we are all in on this deal. we are a peyton manning away from a superbowl win.

  46. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Jesse —

    RE: Marshall value

    The coaches all get together and evaluate the players, and that is some of the information used in setting the value and the price target. Also factored in is the total money being spent at one position too. So yes, I believe Horton had an idea of what was going on.

  47. By Javi on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    darren, now with nearly every single wide receiver probably gone, will the cards look to get a wr in the draft………lets say a Michael Floyd perhaps?

  48. By brad oneill on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Marshall played out exactly as it should have, He came in as a back up and out played expectations, he would have returned to back up status this year most likely and a team cant afford to pay a back up 16 million dollars no matter how versatile he is. Now Marshall will be in a system where he can start and the Cards can spend money where it is needed most,.

    Don’t get me wrong, Marshall was a special player and a great addition to the team but when you have needs at starter positions an expensive and overqualified back up takes up resources that could be better used elsewhere.

  49. By Wampag on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    this is Mannnnnadding any news? will we go after Abraham? any good pass rushers?

  50. By Giorgio on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    following up, if we don’t get Manning and some of the others we might covet, then let’s at least get ex-Colt GM Bill Pollian-now an ESPN analyst-to take over for Rod Graves. Pollian is a whiz a building/re-building teams. that’s one plus. the other is if we don’t firm up the Defense w/guys that Whiz and Horton want/like than we know DC Ray Horton will be out of here for either a similar job someplace else, or Head Coaching. that will likely happen anyway, but still let’s give him the ammo so he’ll have to think twice before he jumps. this being said, i like to think that Michael Bidwell still has an angle on Manning since it’s been awfully quiet w/the Cards which is understandable. he’s a lawyer so he knows how to keep the lid on. but hey how about Drew Brees Darren???!!! he’s sitting out there and sounding more than a little unhappy in New Orleans w/that mess. having been in San Diego at the start of his career he might like a return to the West. just a thought…

  51. By Cardfancolo on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Please Manning is not coming to the desert so let it go and Cards forget about it and start signing our tenders and lets get rolling

  52. By Eazy E on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    I really hope we get Peyton because we’re going to be hurting bad if we don’t. Going back to Kolb hopefully isn’t an option. Richard Marshall leaving hurt alot also. I thought the cardinals would value him around what the dolphins gave him. It wouldn’t be a huge contract and wouldn’t affect the Peyton contract and others. We have to replace him with a good cb because toler is coming off a acl tear and wasn’t playing great before and jefferson struggled mightily last year and Marshall is pretty good.

  53. By tomanycards on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Peyton Manning.

    To Throw to Larry Fitzgerald or not to throw to Larry Fitzgerald, that is the Question.

  54. By GBABY on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren thanks so much for giving me this opportunity to talk to such a respected man.

    Are the Cardinals intrested in any Wide Receivers? I believe that we need to sign a quality #2 guy to help Fitz as Payton or Kolb will be more successful in the long run with more options that will not drop the ball.

    (Mario Manningham or Brandon Lloyd???)
    These options are the best free agents left and we need to get on our horse.

    Thanks so much Darren hope to hear from you soon
    Have a classy one Mr. Urban (:

  55. By johnnybluenose on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    jose. release kolb without having manning on board? no way that happens.

  56. By John the Draft Guy on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Darren and the rest of the card fans;

    I know the brother of a well known former GM who is a consultant for a team who is after Peyton Manning. (vague enough)

    He just talked to his brother last night about Peyton. Truth is Peyton never believed he would be released and has been a little shell shocked by it. He also said that Peyton truely doesn’t know at this point which team to choose. This process is tough on him and Peyton wants to choose his team. Money isn’t a big factor and Peyton has been advised to go where he is comfortable.

    What that means for cards fans? I don’t know. But I wouldn’t believe all these reports that has Peyton saying he will choose by “X” time or he has ruled out this place or that. If Peyton isn’t sure, how can they be.

  57. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Javi —

    RE: WR in draft

    Possible. I wouldn’t say every single receiver is gone, however.

  58. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Brad O’Neill —

    RE: Marshall

    Funny thing is, I read where he might not start in Miami either.

  59. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    GBaby —

    RE: WR

    I haven’t heard anything about Manningham or Lloyd. I would guess if they went unsigned for a bit and their price dropped, they could inquire. Draft is also possible.

  60. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    John the Draft Guy —

    RE: PM

    Aside from the fact your source, while may be true, sounds like it isn’t …

    That is what I have been saying all along. People want to know what my gut says. I say, the only gut that counts is PM’s.

  61. By Max on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    Are the Cards going to bid on any wide receivers besides Chaz Schilens, and what’s Schilens status? Fitz is the best wideout in the game, but he can’t do everything by himself. We need to grab either Mario Manningham, Brandon Lloyd, or Eddie Royal, if not all or at least 2 of them, before they’re gone.

  62. By Darren Urban on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Max —

    RE: WR

    Schilens is the only name I have heard so far. There is also the draft.

  63. By Jesse Robles on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Darren: Cool, thanks. Guess I should have just waited for your next story about Butler having a good bond with Horton. Would have explained it. Business.

  64. By William Barry on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    We lost a good DB in Marshall, but all in all, we really need to either get a wr in free agency or the draft…Larry F. cant do it all…Even though Marshall was a darn good player, I think we have enough depth in the backfield. The signing of Adam Synder is HUGE, NOT ONLY IS HE FROM A DIVISION COMPETITOR, BUT HE IS A GREAT PLAYER..Kudos to the front office for getting a great quality player…GOOD JOB..go cards…..

  65. By Scott H on Mar 15, 2012 | Reply

    Yeah…if the Cardinals wanted him back, then why is he gone? This team seems to have a funny way of keeping the players they want here…it appears that there is actually more to keeping a player on your roster that simply wanting to keep him. Apparently, there is a certain degree of effort and action that must go into that process…can someone please inform the Cardinals of this??? Sigh…

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