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How Saints’ punishments impact Cards

Posted by Darren Urban on March 21, 2012 – 11:17 am

The punishments for the New Orleans Saints — at least most of them, since the player punishments are still TBD — came down Wednesday and they provided the expected doozy: A year-long suspension without pay for Saints coach Sean Payton, an indefinite suspension for former DC Gregg Williams of at least a year, and an eight-game ban for general manager Mickey Loomis.

Obviously this isn’t about the Cardinals, although there are parts of this that do impact the Cards:

– To begin with, the Cardinals will be the first team to play the Saints, since the teams will match up Aug. 5 in the Hall of Fame game to kick off the preseason. Wonder what the talking points will be during that broadcast? You wonder if the Cards are just going to be in the background, because it’s hard to see the Saints’ storylines not dominating.

– The Saints lose second-round picks this year and next. That’ll move up the Cards’ third-round pick a slot sooner. We’ll see what it means in 2013.

– Once the regular season begins, the Cards know that Williams, who had since been hired as the Rams’ defensive coordinator, won’t be around. Williams may never be around in St. Louis; commissioner Roger Goodell isn’t assuring anyone that Williams will be reinstated. Not that new head coach Jeff Fisher can’t work around it — former Cards head coach Dave McGinnis, on staff with the Rams now as an assistant head coach, could drop into the DC role like he once did for the Cards. UPDATE: Fisher said the duties won’t go to a permanent DC. He, McGinnis and Chuck Cecil will split the work.

– Then there is the Kurt Warner tie-in. The original investigation sprouted from the way the Saints treated Warner, then the Cards’ QB, and Brett Favre, then with the Vikings, during the playoffs after the 2009 season. The Cards’ playoff game, in fact, was mentioned a couple of times in the NFL’s official release about the punishments, including Warner himself. “The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams – Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner.”

Warner, appearing on NFL Network Wednesday, had this to say about the punishment: “I’m shocked, like a lot of people, but not fully surprised. … But this is what Commissioner Goodell has done from Day One. And I love he is trying to make statements trying to protect our game for the long-term.”

Added Warner, “To a degree, this has gone on through the history of our game, where guys have gone out to hit guys really hard to knock them out of the game or at least knock them off their game so it affects (the hitting team) in a positive manner. Of course, not to the extent to where you are paying guys to hurt other guys, and I think that’s where this takes a different turn.”

– The NFL also made clear that they won’t let this happen again, sending a memo to all teams directing the owner of every team to meet with the head coach to confirm bounty systems aren’t in place in any other organization. Said the NFL release, “Each principal owner and head coach must certify this in writing to the commissioner by March 30.”


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47 Responses to “How Saints’ punishments impact Cards”

  1. By CardsDNA on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    I have not issue with what was handed down today!

  2. By Chris Hughes on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    I think we should Gain there extra 2nd round pick or a pick at the end of the secone round for all four teams. You never know maybe Warner would have played longer maybe we would have won the SB that year if there was No bounty. We should be awarded because we were def affected probably more than any other team except possibly the vikings but Brett was done anyways he was about 4-5 years older than warner

  3. By VonKromDom on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Good for the Commish. I think the punishment is fair.

    Hopefully Williams will not be reinstated. Play the game, and play the game hard. But bounty for brutality does not belong in the NFL

  4. By Irradiccus on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Kurt Warner born June 22, 1971

    Brett Favre born October 10, 1969

    They didn’t have much an age difference, but the fact of the matter still remains, the saints won a SB because of this program, and they are complaining that the punishment is severe? If anything that lombardi should be stripped and the saints should experience a season off to reflect on why what they did was wrong. That would be severe but earned.

  5. By Troy Baker on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    agreed..we lost a very good QB and a playoff game. We are out millions. At least give us the pick and MIN.

  6. By MIKE G on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope all is well! Do you think the NFL was over the top with the punishments handed to the Saints coaches and organization. Bounties have been part of the NFL in its history. I certainly don’t condone a bounty on a particular player but the Saint’s are certainly paying a steep penalty for what has happened. Did you think Sean Payton should have been suspended for a year????

  7. By Chris Hughes on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Irracdiccus your right on that sorry I meant NFL years Warners body was alot younger and in my opinion he could have played alot longer.

    Darren~ What’s your take on us getting some kind of Compensation out of this…. Just wishfull thinking on my part?

  8. By sidiankain on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    I think that to say the Cardinals should recieve some restitution is a little overboard. That’s not really how it works, fact is I love The Cards, but we lost that game, and Warner new full well went he went into motion he was opening himself up to being hit. Even he admitts that.
    That being said i think that hit ended his career and forced him to walk out on (I think, so don’t quote me) about 17 million. Kurt Warner should seek restitution for lost wages just like if a coworkers disables another employee at any other job. Those are lost wages. I think Kurts probably to much of a good guy to do that, but I think it’s a lot more reasonable to say that Kurt Warner is deserving of some restitution, more so than the Cards. That being said i think what’s done is done and it’s shady and anyone who cashed one of those checks should be removed from the NFL forever.

  9. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Mike G –

    RE: Punishments

    In all honesty, I don’t think the punishments were so harsh because of the bounties — or at least, just because of the bounties. I think the cover-up/lying had as much to do with it.

  10. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Chris Hughes –

    RE: Compensation

    Not going to happen.

  11. By VonKromDom on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Kurt Warner himself said he had already made his mind up to retire before that game. He said he pretty much made his mind up midway through that season that he was done. So you can’t say that, that one game made Kurt retire. Granted he did take some big hits in that game that would have made a lot of QB’s just want their mom.

  12. By cobra on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    They should have also taken away cap money for this year, say 5 mil. to reimburse the Cards and one of the 2nd round picks.

  13. By Frustrated on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    I heard Goodell being interviewed and the coverup definitely had a bearing on the impact.

  14. By cobra on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Another thing. Now the Saints can use the 6 mil from Payton’s salary on the new contract for Brees. That’s not right. They still come out good in the end. They can get by without Payton for a year, not Brees.

  15. By Lawrence Miller on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Re: More money for Brees. The coach’s salary is not included in the salary cap.

  16. By Chris Hughes on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Dang… Thanks Darren lol just trying to get us the second rounder we lost back

  17. By Eazy E on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Only fair to be honest. Some wanted Payton, Williams, and Loomis fired period!

  18. By Brian on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Let’s just put this to rest…

    KURT HAS ALREADY STATED HE WAS READY TO RETIRE EVEN BEFORE TAKING THAT HIT! Saying he should seek restitution or complaining that we lost our QB for the next couple years because of it is pointless because he wasn’t coming back anyway. Take a clue from his lap around the stadium he did after beating the Packers. It was pretty clear he was planning on that being his last home game unless they made the NFC Championship game again and he wanted to say goodbye.

    To say we should get the Saints draft picks doesn’t make any sense either. How do you split up the picks to the teams involved? Who gets a first rd, who gets a second rd? If you give both teams first rd picks then why does one team deserve a first rd pick this year and another deserve a first round next year? We aren’t the only team that was effected by this so saying we deserve some sort of compensation above the other teams is ridiculous. I understand the emotion behind it but let’s think logically people.

    Yes we lost to the Saints that year but that hit that Kurt took happens all the time when a QB throws an interception and goes after the defender. If he doesn’t make a move to make a play, he probably doesn’t take that hit. He was frustrated he threw it and went after the defender. As soon as he does that, anyone on that defense is going to look to block him hard and maybe take him out of the game. It’s just the nature of the game, bounty or not.

    No sense of entitlement here, no free draft picks and no compensation. Let’s win with the hand we’ve been dealt and improve with our draft picks, the right way.

  19. By cobra on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    @Lawrence Miller of Arabia

    Re: More money for Brees.

    Really, thanks for the education, the money would come from the owner in a bonus form, not the cap. Are you having a blonde moment? Just kidding, you are correct.

  20. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Cobra, Lawrence –

    RE: Brees money

    Yes, it doesn’t give more cap room. But the issue with Brees was more about actual money and giving him more. Not that Saints suddenly will, but now they have more actual cash on hand to do so if they want.

  21. By cardsalltheway on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Bounties wouldn’t work as well at the beginning of the season for a new DC on any give team. It would make more sense to implement the scheme mid-season if things weren’t going well. I wonder what R. Horton thinks about all this and “To a degree, this has gone on through the history of our game…”?

  22. By Matt on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Yea Im sure they told Dick Butkis that he would get a bonus for gently laying down whovever has the rock. Football is weak today.

  23. By LaydCard04 on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Darren

    I know it won’t happen, but I think the salaries that would have been paid to the suspended coaches should be “fines” the teams have to pay. That way the team doesn’t have all those millions to play with.

    As I said, not going to happen.

  24. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    LadyCard –

    RE: Fines/team

    Except the league deemed a fine already for the Saints ($500,000) and that was the monetary penalty. I think losing the head coach for a whole season is pretty punitive for the team already, even if they keep his salary.

  25. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Hate to see any replays of any kind from that game, remembering that it was the end of a promising season for the Cardinals. And the end of Kurt Warner’s career. Both very sad.

    But I’d have to say that I am quite impressed with these penalties. This is un-precedented. Coaches and coordinators HAVE to be held to a higher standard than players and I think this response from the commisioner sends that message loud and clear. Man, things are kinda rough for the Saints these days, eh? I’ll bet they’d love to go back to the day when ALL they had to worry about was Drew Brees’ contract…ah, those were the days!

  26. By Todd on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, I think teams like the Cardinals should ask for criminal punishment. In any state, assault with the intent to commit bodily harm is a felony. These people have admitted to just that and they did it for money. Why is it just because it is in an NFL football game treated differently? I know they have arrested and charged hockey players for this exact thing. I think Kurt Warner and the Cardinals and all other teams and players affected should file a charge with the Louisiana attorney generals office. This is a clear cut case of felony assault with the perpetrators confessing to it and the law should not treat at any different because they are NFL players.

  27. By johnnybluenose on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    big penalties and the saints aren’t complaining so i guess they know they did wrong. i still don’t know who the players involved were or what exactly the incentives were and i would like to know that. but, from what i remember, there were some big hits but i don’t remember any that were flagrantly illegal. for example the hit on warner. was it necessary to hit kurt that hard? probably not. but was it a foul or something that rarely happens on a football field? i don’t think so. unless someone thinks the pro bowl is a real football game. which it is not. and i don’t think many of us would watch nfl football if hard contact was disallowed. so i will be anxious to see examples of on the field wrongdoing on the part of the saints and to see how it is any different from that of the other teams in the league. i also think there are other teams out there thinking they are also on goodell’s radar. stay tuned.

  28. By Stephn Baldetti on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    any word on William Gay Darren? I know he visited Monday. Did we offer him a contract?

  29. By AndyStandsUp on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Speaking of preseason Darren, surely the team knows by now it’s schedule that will be announced in about two weeks. And since you’re the team paid voice, any hints?
    The Cards will probably have the usual suspects, Broncos, Raiders, Chargers and of course Saints but what’s the chances the league will have the third game, the one in which starters play the most, with Denver at UPHO?
    I predict that game would probably extend the sellout streak, assuming Manning is “healthy” by then.

  30. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Stephn –

    RE: Gay

    He tweeted tonight he needed to pick a team between Pitt, Az, Den and Tenn.

  31. By cobra on Mar 21, 2012 | Reply

    Preseaon doesn’t count, who cares who we play.I’m sure the people paying to watch the first regular season game couild care less more now about PM or Denver.

  32. By az1965 on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Very nice! Love how Goodell handled it. The punishments are well deserved. Looking forward to similar punishments for specific players.

  33. By cardsalltheway on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Sean Payton “not aware” reminds me of someone like that we all know. Guess who? That’s correct, you said it not me!

  34. By D on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Well, the whole coaching brain trust going up to Stanford today for the pro day.Since we have a hole at left tackle, are we to assume that interest maybe high in J. Martin?. Ideal thing is if we can move down a few picks in the draft and pick up an additonal draft pick and still get Mr. Martin at Tackle.
    If that would happen, AZ still could get a good pass rusher in round 3, say a B Irvin from W. Virginia…

  35. By Giorgio on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Darren: On the positive side, and this may be a long shot and/or a crazy thought, the Cards ought seek Drew Brees. Sources say he’s awfully unhappy in NO. He could make a return to West as he got his start w/Charges. What you say re Brees in AZ??

  36. By Todd on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    johnny you don’t get it. It doesn’t matter what happened on the football field. Players were told they would be given money for hurting other players and knocking them out of a game. If you did that in your neighborhood and offered your neighbors money to hurt other people, that is a crime even if they don’t carry it out. And in this case certain players did carry it out because monies changed hands from the team to the players for such acts. This goes beyone being an NFL violation. This is a crime.

  37. By Darren Urban on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    Giorgio –

    RE: Brees

    The only way he leaves is if he raised holy hell — the Saints are not going to let him go — and I don’t see Brees doing that.

  38. By Todd on Mar 22, 2012 | Reply

    D, Jonathan Martin is projected to be a top ten pick in many mock drafts. The Cardinals may not get an opportunity to pick him even at the spot they have so moving down isn’t going to help that. However I do think Stanford’s DeCastro is even more of a beast but he is a guard and not the glamour tackle position, so he should be available as a lower 1st round pick. I would be fine with that as an option. Move Levi back to RT and find a LT still in FA or move newly acquired Snyder to LT where he has played before.

    Let’s find a team with 2 second or 2 third round picks and see if they will bite to move up and give us a second or third for moving up in the first round.

  39. By clssylssy on Mar 23, 2012 | Reply

    It is truely unfortunate that the league feels the need create so much turmoil every year before we get down to football. I was looking forward to the Hall of Fame game… still am… but, now it mayl be the Hall of Shame game thanks to the “scandal”.
    As a lifelong football fan first, I am completely outraged that one team would be singled out and punished so severely for actions that have been going on throughout the league since it’s inception. Anybody who has played the game, including Kurt Warner, knows this to be true, and I find the way that this entire “investigation” has been handled and results released to the public, contrived and calculated to do maximum damage to individuals both named and unnamed, as well as, one team, in a malicious and most unsportsmanlike manner…in the name of sportsmanship!
    The timing of the initial releases reporting this “investigation” coincidentally were released in dribbles to the press, on the eve of the Free Agency. Rather than an official report by the NFL at the time of their “investigation”into alleged reports, delivered in such a way, as to be a clear statement for player safety, and sending a message that future alleged player or team “bounty” systems would be dealt with severely, I find this sensationalism of the “investigation” , after the fact, more outrageous than the alleged acts themself, as fans don’t even know if actual money changed hands, if it was team money or all the crucial facts. The NFL has managed to incite an angry mob quite effectively and it saddens me that the sport I love is under attack. Every sack, hit, game changing play in the future will be looked upon by some with suspicion.
    The Saints were picked to be the scapegoat but what if this had been the Cardinals? Do you Cardinal fans REALLY THINK the Cards or any other team in the league are innocents? The penalties handed down were extreme and excessively severe and will be paid for on the backs of every fan. It would seem more appropriate if the league had issued their Official Statement or Warning to ALL TEAMS to sign off on, three years ago, but how much publicity would that have gotten? The WhoDat Nation conquered Katrina and will rise above this latest assault as well!

  40. By cards62 on Mar 23, 2012 | Reply

    NFL I am proud of for the severe penalties. They all deserve their punishment.
    I like Drew Brees, but can not believe he thinks his coach received too harsh of a punishment.

    Good job NFL.

    Go Cards!

  41. By Scott H on Mar 23, 2012 | Reply

    Well, WHEN the Cardinals ARE the subject of such an investigation and are found guilty of the same, then let me know. In the meantime, spare me the what ifs. The SAINTS did this to themselves, THEY were found guilty, and THEY will suffer the consequences. And what the hell does Katrina have to do with ANY of this???

    People need to relax with the overboard opinions that this is going to ruin the NFL and take all of the hitting that we all love so much out of the game. No, it will not. You’re going to see the same hits you have always seen because it IS a violent game. There is no stopping that. The issue here is that the Saints coaches were offering monetary rewards to players to inflict injury and that is WRONG. THEN, when asked about what was going on, they flat-out lied that any such practices were being employed. And THAT is completely un-acceptable. Take all that crap and all of the people responsible for it out of the game – which is absolutely the right thing to do – and ya know what? You’ve still got the same great product that we’ve always had.

  42. By clssylssy on Mar 24, 2012 | Reply

    It’s interesting to see all the skeletons beginning to fall out of closents belonging to other teams around the league such as the Chiefs, Redskins…there will be more. Wonder if any other teams will feel the wrath of Roger Goodell or if the issue was really anger over feeling lied to and in that case the punishment a little excessive for the crime? Once again we begin the season with the league convulsing and wondering what the effect will be in terms of a level playing field for the Superbowl. With the Superbowl in New Orleans is would appear an effort has been made to knock out a leading contender.

  43. By Endzonie on Mar 24, 2012 | Reply

    Finally football justice for Kurt and the rest of the players. I agree with Kurt 100% in his comment. Bountys, is this what we want our kids to learn while playing and watching football?

  44. By JohnfromOz on Mar 25, 2012 | Reply

    A couple of years ago an Australian Rugby League team was heavily fined, stripped of two championships, all of the points gained for the season and was made to play out the season for no points at all for moderate range salaray cap breaches. This constitutes a teanm admitting making planned assualts on opposition players. New Orleans should be stripped of its superbowl win, lose all draft picks for two years and play for nothing for the 2012 season. Loss of a coach and a relatively small fine is inadequate as punishment.

  45. By William Barry on Apr 5, 2012 | Reply

    According to SI, the Saints clearly had a bounty out for the Cards, and Kurt Warner.The fines ARE justified, because the players and coaches knew this was wrong from the beginning….The saints get what they deserve-severe punishment.

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