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On Haggans and Holliday

Posted by Darren Urban on April 11, 2012 – 10:40 am

The list of the Cardinals’ own free agents is shrinking, which is what normally happens this close to the draft. Of the team’s original group of 16 unrestricted free agents (tackle Levi Brown was of course not on the original list, having been released and not technically a UFA), seven remain. Three were never going to return: linebacker Joey Porter, running back Chester Taylor and offensive lineman Pork Chop Womack. There is a still a chance safety Hamza Abdullah could come back even after the Cards signed James Sanders, and tackle Brandon Keith — given that the Cards haven’t added a tackle in free agency — is certainly still on the radar.

Then there are a pair of veteran defenders who helped on the field last season and were even more valuable in the locker room: linebacker Clark Haggans and defensive end Vonnie Holliday.

It’s tough not to think of Haggans these days because he was the one who all but lived at the facility year-round, working out every day. I have no doubt he is somewhere keeping in prime shape. It’s just not in the Cards’ weight room. He has moved past the point where you want him starting every game — this is the season O’Brien Schofield needs to take hold of that spot, across from Sam Acho, depending on who the Cards might draft — but Haggans still was and can be productive in a role on the field. Same goes for Holliday, who looked really good in the season finale when he got his most significant playing time of the season.

Again, the value to both comes as much off the field as on. I’ve mentioned this before but Holliday (and fellow vet DL Nick Eason) has the perfect temperament and attitude for what the Cards need him to be, a fill-in guy who can teach other players and be OK with that. Haggans played more last season but he too has been a good influence on the younger players. How could a guy who is constantly making sure he is prepared as possible not be?

Both players, however, fall into limbo at this point in their careers. A draft pick at either position could change a need to bring them back. Holliday hinted at retirement last year, although he said his thoughts right after the final game were that he’d want to return. I’m not sure anything gets done with either before the draft, but it’s not like you have to be worried about their commitment if you do bring them back.


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36 Responses to “On Haggans and Holliday”

  1. By azqfan on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    I sure hope OS takes a major step forward and takes that spot.

  2. By D on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    I see Holliday first if he wants to continue to play because if the Cards sign a DE it won’t be in rounds 1 or 3, so that pick would be a back up player and special teamer until he learns…Holliday can still provide relief for the starters. Haagans, comes down to the draft pick, if Ingram falls to them at 13 in the draft, he will make everyone forget Haagans…(maybe he could come back as assist to Lott and run the kids up camelback every week)

  3. By emm7777 on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    I like Haggans. I hope he comes back. He is still a productive player.

  4. By Gilbert on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Haggans a great veteran to bring back. But I thought Porter was still under contract?

  5. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Gilbert —

    RE: Porter

    No, Porter is not under contract.

  6. By dean bower on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    whats up with LaRad Stephens Howling?
    i thought he was he free agent

  7. By waldropcv on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, has there been any talk about taking Brian Quick (WR, ASU [Appalachian State]) in the 3rd round to fill the Cards’ WR hole?

  8. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Dean —

    RE: Hyphen

    Restricted. He was tendered and will return.

  9. By Ron Sellmeyer on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    How is Ryan Williams progressing?

  10. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Waldropcv —

    RE: Quick

    Not that I have heard of.

  11. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron —

    RE: Ryan Williams

    Fine. Nothing has changed.

  12. By Ron Sellmeyer on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    With a brutal schedule, lack of All Pro type quarterback, lack of a good offensive line, a hot and cold defense,and much improved NFC West where do you see Cardinals finishing?

  13. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron —

    RE: Finish

    Clearly, on top of the world.

  14. By Eazy E on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Holliday we need to bring back for depth, leadership, and he still can play. Haggans for his leadership and cut his snaps at OLB, and he’ll do ok. Holliday we need more than haggans, but would like to see both back as cards.

  15. By Mal on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ron Sellmeyer-

    Everybody else in our division plays the same brutal schedule.

    John Elway’s first 16 games were worse than John Skeltons.

    Our O line run-blocks well. With Williams AND Beanie in the backfield this year, maybe the line and the QBs look better.

    Our D was not hot and cold the last half season, just hot, and due to get hotter.

    Where is this improved West? We havent seen it yet. SF played well, but things bounced their way, too. I’m not sure they can duplicate that.

  16. By Ezz on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    I saw some news about a coach being promoted from defensive quality control to outside linebackers coach and got curious. What exactly does a quality control coach do?

  17. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Ezz —

    RE: Slowik promotion

    A quality control coach is the guy at the bottom of the food chain. He helps make the endless copies of the game plans, he breaks down hours of video of opponents and other things to help the position coaches, and he helps out with various positions on one side of the ball or the other coaching during practices. It’s a starting off point for many coaches in the business.

  18. By Rich on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Haggans is gonna have to be willing to be in a reserve role, and maybe even play some special teams. Also, the big paycheck days are over.

  19. By cdubbbbbbb on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Holliday had a grweat, not good but GREAT game in week 17 against the Seahawks. Both of these guys would really help us if re-signed. Lets hope we can fit these 2 high character high quality players back onto our team.

  20. By ben on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    AZ CARDS superbowl favorites 2012. GO CARDS
    I BELIEVE

  21. By John the Draft Guy on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Darren’s response to Ron;

    Ron –

    RE: Finish

    Clearly, on top of the world.

    Best response in the 2 years I have been on this blog. Clearly, Ron already had an answer in his mind before asking the question.

  22. By William Barry on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    I’d really like to see Holliday back, he made some great tackles/pressures of opposing quarterbacks last year. ….and he provides QUALITY DEPTH to our defensive line…Our defense rocks!!!! and who says SF is going to be better this year. The Giants clearly showed that San Fran has issues, and that they were just lucky enough to win the division…I think you will see a huge fall off of the Niners this year.

  23. By Kyle on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren, have you heard anything about the cards wanting decastro if he was available at 13?

  24. By James on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    @Ron Sellmeyer- In dead last place Ron!Is that what you want to hear?With that kind of “optimistic outlook” that’s the only response that I think you’ll receive.

  25. By Darren Urban on Apr 11, 2012 | Reply

    Kyle –

    RE: DeCastro

    I wouldn’t rule it out but there are greater concerns that may lead them to a different pick.

  26. By Chris Hughes on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    I’d bring back Haggans if he will take the minimum and it doesnt prevent us from keeping a younger player with potential because of our limited cap space. Love the guy great player hard worker but sometimes its your time to leave I hope we can work it out but I think Holiday is gone for sure… we got screwed with that hightower trade we should have gotten a much higher draft pick and we didnt need holiday he didnt do anything last year

  27. By Emett on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    RE Decastro-

    Ya, there are greater concerns than offensive guard. Then again, there were greater concerns than cornerback last year and we took Patrick Peterson 5th overall. There were also greater concerns than running back last year and we took Ryan Williams with a top 40 pick. This regime seems focused more on talent than anything else and in that regard, DeCastro’s probably the best we’ll find at 13.

  28. By Jeremy on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Clark Haggens definatly needs to come back next year and possibly Vonnie Holliday. Both have the leadership and expierience to help all our young players be great and make the Superbowl!!!!!!!!!

  29. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kind of a tough spot we’re in at #13, with no second round pick. The only LT’s thought to be worthy of a pick that high are Kalil, Reiff and Martin. Obviously, Kalil is long gone before then, with Reiff a probable candidate for the top 10. After watching Martin against Brooks Reed a couple of years ago I’m beginning to think he may be a RT only, even if he is available. So, do you take a chance on Adams or Glenn at #13 (obvious reaches, but first round talents), or wait for the third round to address it (likely getting guys who realistically project as RT’s only, and most likely back-ups their rookie year at that), since the other promising prospects (Massie, Sanders, Osemele) are a safe bet to be off the board in round 2?

    Please, Belichick, change your typical course of action and give us #27 & #48 for our #13, and get an impact player that you’ve largely missed out on in your card collection of draft picks. Failing that, here’s hoping we can live with Snyder at RT while DeCastro steps in and provides an immediate impact at RG for us.

  30. By dan on Apr 13, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t resign Haggans, he’s useless.

  31. By juan on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    Darren-

    Do you know if NIKE will make a jersey for the HYPHEN

  32. By Darren Urban on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    Juan –

    RE: LSH jersey

    No, I don’t know.

  33. By juan on Apr 14, 2012 | Reply

    they really need to he has a lot of fans and we want to show our support by wearing his number

  34. By Blake Allen Murphy on Apr 15, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    Floyd, Reiff and Ingram are all there at #13. Which is AZ’s priority? Do they go Pass-Rush, Tackle help or some believe Floyd is best of those 3 so they go BPA? Your take on how they’d determine which order to have those guys in?

  35. By Darren Urban on Apr 15, 2012 | Reply

    Blake Allen —

    RE: Top choice

    I think if they grades were close, they’d go tackle. But grades will make a difference.

  36. By truths4all on Apr 16, 2012 | Reply

    The Cards should re-sign Holliday. He was totally the positive force on and for the Defense anyone could have wanted. At this point, no rookie that the Cards can draft with their spots is going to give you what he can on the field in real games.

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