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Tradeless, and the tackles – UPDATE

Posted by Darren Urban on November 1, 2012 – 2:18 pm

The trading deadline came and went Thursday and the Cardinals — as well as most of the NFL — did not make a deal. Many were wondering about the Cards getting an offensive lineman in a trade.

UPDATE: General manager Rod Graves said in the end, while there were the normal amount of conversations with teams about trades over the past two weeks, “there was not enough interest to consummate a trade.”

“So many different factors come into play,” Graves said, noting medical history of the player, age, contractual situations and the coaches’ feelings on a particular player being able to fit in to the locker room and the system. “You don’t have a plug-and-play situation” in the NFL, Graves said.

– After practice, coach Ken Whisenhunt was talking about the two reserve tackles already on the roster: rookie Nate Potter and veteran Pat McQuistan (who can also play guard.)

Whiz said the Cards are feeling “a lot more comfortable” with McQuistan, who has been active on game days and serves as an important backup swingman now that Adam Snyder has been out and Rich Ohrnberger has been in the starting lineup. You still get the sense McQuistan is there for a reserve/just-in-case role. It might be different for Potter. Whisenhunt played question-and-answer with himself about the rookie today. Does Potter’s progress “mean he is ready to play in a regular-season game? At some point, you have to look at it,” Whisenhunt said, noting that Potter’s practices have been good and the rookie playing “is something we’re looking at doing at some point.”

Potter can play both right and left tackle, so I don’t know which side at which he’d get his first crack. Nor does that mean Potter is on the verge of playing, say, this weekend, necessarily. But he’s on the radar and clearly, the coaches have been evaluating him. Josh Weinfuss will have more on Potter — and rookie running mate Senio Kelemete — later this afternoon on azcardinals.com.


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25 Responses to “Tradeless, and the tackles – UPDATE”

  1. By suspence716 on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Like I said two days ago, why would they make any moves? They never do.

  2. By Rufus on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    The Cardinals are last in the league in rushing and sacks allowed. So why bother making a move to improve the team?

  3. By Dynosoar on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Sapper,

    I became a Cardinals fan at 8yrs old because I liked the pretty red bird. You’ve got a much more compelling story than mine. (For those that don’t know, read his post on 3 Oct. 2012 about why he became a Cardinals fan.)

    With all this Benghazi affair, I’ve been thinking of you and your service to our freedom and that of Iraq. You’re the man! So was Pat.

    To all my friends out there, think of it. I don’t know of any team that has a legacy like we have with Warner’s persistence to rise from stock clerk to three Super Bowls or Tillman’s Patriotism, leaving it all for the freedom of others he will never meet.

    This team is great! Let’s go get some wins, say six or seven (or dare I hope for eight, probably not, but that would be ever so sweet.)

  4. By CardinalMark on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Not why the Cardinals did not go after McKinney? I understand his off the field issues. However, even if he is a band-aid fix. Better than what we have!!!

  5. By hotValleySun on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Every Loss is frustrating!

    But, if we add McKinney are we a playoff team? No.

    Cards probably are (at best) 6-10 team with a slightly better offensive line. The way things are we are going 4-12 or 5-11. To win an extra game or two, why give up an arm and a leg and be down on draft choices next year?

  6. By Jason Zumwalt on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    No moves to be made. Nobody is parting with tackles for less then 1st and 2nd round draft picks I bet. Let’s just move FORWARD!

  7. By D on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t see more than SF making the playoffs in the NFC West, wildcard will probably be out of the NFC North, might as well play Senio and Potter last 4-5 weeks of the season to get their feet wet and see if they can be starters next year…

  8. By Rick on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Wow I thought for sure we would at least show interest in someone to help our o line. According to an article I read the ravens were willing to talk about trading McKinney but didn’t due to a lack of interest from the cardinals. That’s disturbing to me and I hope we see major changes in the off season as far as the gm and offensive coaches are concerned.

  9. By craig on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    After another disappointing season…
    Trade Fitz for a first and second next year, we don’t have anyway to get him the ball. Free up his money and build a awesome line that will get us to the next level. Our team already has a stock pile of receivers. We absolutely need a O-line.

  10. By hotValleySun on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Craig

    Re:Trade Fitz

    I agree.

  11. By ssweat on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    trade Graves then we can start making progress

  12. By Rick on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    I third that notion

  13. By john the draft guy on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    I think no moves is exactly what was expected. Chasing aging vets or guys who wore out their welcome for valuable draft picks would only come back to bite you.

    The Pats went after Albert Haynesworth and Chad Johnson and lost two late round picks. Neither did a thing for them. Now Billicheck had traded down several years and could afford it, but look at how many great players have been picked in the 5th round or later in the NFL. Starting with one of the greatest picks, #199, 6th rounder Tom Brady.

    It is great to hear Whiz mention Potter. I believe he has good feet to be a LT, but his knock on him was he needed some experience and he needed to get much stronger for NFL rushers. Look forward to the day he is ready to give it a try.

  14. By Patrick Eagan on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t agree with trading Fitzgerald. Dennis Green should be gm. Keep Ken Whisenhunt, keep Floyd and Roberts, Doucet and heap should go. Skelton should be cut. Sign a tackle or draft one…IN THE FIRST ROUND. not the 5th. Dan willams sucks on defense. get a new nose tackle. paris lenon should go. William Gay has lost a step. draft a couple good corners. rb’s are needed. Wells and Williams aren’t worth keeping if they are always hurt. i feel the same way about todd heap. Then give kolb one last shot. I thought he played well in the beginning of the year, and the losses weren’t his fault. Maybe let Lindley start and see how he does. PLEASE WIN THE SUPER BOWL.

  15. By Longball on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Don’t Trade Fitz. Gut out a 4 -12 season and make a move in the off season to sure up that offensive line and get a QB.

  16. By Jesus on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Fire Miller
    fire Grimm

    trade fitz are you crazy! he is the only one who showed heart monday night.

    Dockett at left tackle!

  17. By riwjr on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    Only trade Fitz If the Cards get a deal like the Cowboys got for Hershel Walker

  18. By Brian on Nov 1, 2012 | Reply

    People who are complaining about no trades being made clearly don’t understand the value of draft picks. Player for player trades rarely happen at the trade deadline. The NFL draft has incredible talent from top to bottom. Starters can be found in the late rounds. It’s not like the NBA where the 2nd round is meaningless, or MLB where you may need to wait 6 seasons before your 3rd round pick is ML ready. Every team knows we are desperate for tackles and I guarantee any conversation for McKinnie or any other backup probably started with wanting a 4th round draft pick. Even if we negotiated down to a 5th rounder, I still don’t see it being worth it. It’s simply supply and demand. We can’t mortgage our future to fill holes that might be filled for next season already. Massie has struggled but he is a rookie and has potential. Levi will be back next year and as much as everyone bashed him in the past, everyone wishes he was playing right now. Let’s see what Potter can do. Maybe he sucks, but we(the public) won’t know until he plays. Maybe he plays lights out and we have a LT and RT going forward. Unfortunately we had injuries at a position where you can’t just find a fix in the free agent pool or via trade. Any Olineman who can play is already on a team. And anyone who is already on a team, isn’t going to come cheap in a trade. I’m glad we didn’t make a move, let’s see what we’ve got in Potter, I mean, it can’t get much worse, right?

  19. By Travis on Nov 2, 2012 | Reply

    Trade Fitz?!? Cmon man

  20. By Eazy E on Nov 2, 2012 | Reply

    We messed up by not getting anybody. No RB, O-Linemen, or QB. Like I said, we’ll win a max of 3 more games and finish with another losing record for the 2nd time in 3 years(8-8 isn’t a losing or winning season). Whiz’s job is in jeopardy if that happens because that would be 3 years in a row without a playoff berth coming off of a near super bowl win and a playoff win vs. Green Bay and a loss to the saints. I wouldn’t be surprised if Whiz is fired and Horton would be the frontrunner for the HC job. I really like Whiz but you can’t keep having losing seasons and keep your job with the overall talent we have on our roster. I also blame Graves, Keim, Mike Bidwell, the whole FO for this mess at QB and O-LINE.

  21. By brom on Nov 2, 2012 | Reply

    Patrick Eagan makes some very interesting arguments. If possible, releasing Doucet, Heap, Wells & Ryan Williams is probably a good idea because of their injury history. They appear to be good guys, but the NFL is a business. Whiz should stay on as HC and Dennis Green is repsonsible for bringing in the players that got us to the SB. We definitely need new corners. PP is not the answer although he can fill in at times and right now he’s all we have. Making trades at this point probably wouldn’t work, but we must figure out how to get who we have producing. These players all made it to the NFL level and therefore should be able to contribute at some point. The present problems were evident even through the 4-0 stretch. I fault coaching in this area. Getting beat on some plays is understood, but on every play points to technique teachings and strategy failures. As defenses work to complicate matters, the OL should have the advantage by knowing the plays called. Rather than preparing for what the opposing team might throw at us, why not impose what we want to do on them? Fitz said it best. The players also have a big part of the responsibilty to execute the plays called from the QB, Line, RB, WR, snapper TE to the equipment personnel. I don’t see that everyone is committed. Just watch the film and you’ll see the ones I’m talking about. It’s that obvious. Find a way to motivate them or replace them with another team member waiting for a chance.

  22. By vaughn on Nov 2, 2012 | Reply

    Its amazing how many ppl turned on the cardinals now…when we were 4-0 all I saw was sb this;sb that….now its lets just go 4-12 n get an Oline….hahahaha…u guys are awesome;some fans u r, smh…o look at this, trade Fitz for a 2nd rounder… Lol, realllly,smh

  23. By Laird on Nov 2, 2012 | Reply

    I don’t get it! We drafted Fioyd in the first and Massey later on and don’t hardly use Floyd while the “O-line” is in HATCHES now and has been!

  24. By john the draft guy on Nov 3, 2012 | Reply

    Patrick Eagan and Brom

    Please go back and look at the drafts that Denny Green had.

    2004 was great. He landed 2 D lineman (dockett and Smith), a great wr in Fitz and , Dansby- A+

    2005- he was horrible. . In 2004, he started 3 different QBs (much like last year) and with AAron Rodgers sitting there, he chose Antrel Rolle, who was a bust as a CB- Whiz switched him to safety.. Other than Rolle only Eric Green (cut in 09) and JJ Arington (gone in 09) were on that superbowl team 3 years later.

    2006- More bad drafting. He set the franchise backward missing badly with the Leinart pick. Only Duece Lutui became legit starter out of this draft. (Pope started some but was disappointing.

    Also, remember, Green is the one who insisted Leonard Davis was a LT and refused to make a move, only to watch him become a allpro guard for Dallas. Do you remember him cutting Pete Kindall just as camp began and had no replacement?

    Yes 2004 draft was great. But 2005, had only 2 legit QB prospects on the board. SF takes Alex Smith and Green passes on the other QB Aaron Rodgers.. Then blowing it on Leinart the next year. His moves are partly responsible for the situation we are in.

    I wonder if Graves is copying him and thats why we passed on trading up for Tannehill so we could start Kolb? Ahhggg

  25. By Dave Chaney on Nov 4, 2012 | Reply

    There is a very strong possibility this team finishes 5-11 or 6-10 which would put us in our normal drafting position with the 6th or 7th pick in the draft. Nothing new there, we’ll get a player who will most likely be less than we need. No franchise QB or RB to kick start this offense. It appears to me nothing less than a complete housecleaning will remedy our woes. Of course that means another 2-3 years of re-building. Like a broken record (now that’s old school for you) Big Red history keeps repeating. If the front office, Michael Bidwill, is really serious about having a contender, we need to get rid of Whiz, Graves and about half of the over priced vets we have on the roster. Make a blockbuster trade or two (trade Fitz or Dockett or a package deal and get a #1 or a couple #2s or an impact player). Another possibility is to release some of the dead weight and sign a couple high profile FAs. Something must be done or the team will continue to wallow in the middle to the bottom of the NFL…then again…isn’t that where we always have been???

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