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Kolb’s season ends with trip to IR

Posted by Darren Urban on December 12, 2012 – 10:22 am

The inevitable happened Wednesday, with the Cardinals finally placing Kevin Kolb on injured reserve, ending his season and with it weeks of speculation of whether he could return from his nasty ribs injury. It also ended what looked like Kolb’s step forward in this offense after an injury-riddled disaster in 2011. Kolb was winning games in 2012, and had the meltdown of the offensive line not occurred right before the time Kolb was hurt, maybe we would have seen even more.

(Of course, the irony is that Kolb’s injury had nothing to do with the offensive line problems, just a blown handoff on which Kolb tried to run and paid the price.)

The Cards, to fill the roster spot, added offensive lineman Mike Gibson, who was with Seattle most of his four-year career before the Eagles released him in training camp this season.

It was pretty clear last week Kolb would not be able to come back from his ribs problem. Kolb proved he was the best quarterback on the team. But the reality is stark: The man acquired to be the team’s long-term QB last season played in just 15 of a possible 32 games because of injuries. Now, the injuries were serious – we’re not talking about skipping to nurse a sore hamstring or something, but instead torn ligaments in his toe and damaged foot, a serious concussion and now, ribs ripped from the sternum – but it’s tough to make an impression on the sideline.

It leaves much in the air for Kolb’s future in Arizona. No one has officially addressed it, but there is no way the Cardinals pay Kolb a $9 million salary in 2013 and a $2 million roster bonus in March. If he is going to stick around, the two sides will have to renegotiate, or Kolb will have to be released and test his wares on the open market, a la Levi Brown. I can still see a scenario where Kolb returns in 2013. But it’s no guarantee and whatever happens – if anything – with the coaching staff and front office will impact the thought process.

Kolb’s fourth-down touchdown laser thrown to Andre Roberts at the end of the Miami game that tied it up and forced overtime – a game in which the Cardinals won, the last one, as it turned out thus far – seems so, so long ago.

Here are a couple of quotes from Kolb today:

– Going on IR was “not a huge shock.” But “I wasn’t lying when I said, ‘I hope it’s next Monday, I hope it’s next Monday.’ ” He reiterated he would not have any surgery and let his ribs heal on their own.

– On the idea of the team wanting him to restructure his contract: “I’m not sure. If that time comes, we will have that discussion.”

– On staying in Arizona long-term: “I like the way this locker room is, the kind of guys in here. Obviously we have to make some adjustments. We all know that. My focus is being part of this team for a long time and getting this place back to an elite level. … People say certain things about this organization here, but my heart and soul is with this organization and I don’t want that to change. I really don’t.”

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57 Responses to “Kolb’s season ends with trip to IR”

  1. By Kevin S on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been a big Kolb supporter but even I agree that unless the team can bring him back very cheaply, they shouldn’t at all. I assume given his injury history no one else will pay him a lot either, so his highest value at this point is probably to the Cardinals. So I’d like to see him back — but I’d absolutely still be pursuing another QB whether in the draft or via trade/FA — and not with the intent of just backing up Kolb, but someone who we feel can be our starter. Because even if Kolb won the job over that other QB (say, Landry Jones, the guy John the draft guy is so high on), the odds that the other guy would need to play at some point in the season are very high.

  2. By donttakelosses on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    This premise: “Kolb proved he was the best quarterback on the team”

    … may make this statement prove incorrect?

    “there is no way the Cardinals pay Kolb a $9 million salary in 2013 and a $2 million roster bonus in March ”

    Another view: Kolb is the ONLY NFL level QB on the roster,not just the best, unless Hoyer proves to e a find. The pay rate for Kob is average for QBs that start.

  3. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    dontake —

    RE: Kolb salary

    I can reconcile the two. He hasn’t played enough to warrant that kind of money. This may turn into a game of chicken, but unless Kolb can assure the Cards he will play the vast majority of the season, no way he gets that money as is.

  4. By jocards on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    These are dark days indeed. Kolb is absolutely the best QB on the roster….for what that’s worth but the problem as always is his inability to stay on the field. I’d like the club to try and renegotiate a deal that would allow him to return in 2013 but nobody can kid themselves that this organization does not need to upgrade the position. The team doesn’t know how good Kolb can be, the league doesn’t know how good Kolb can be and that’s because he is never able to put in a full season. Try and bring him back at a reduced rate but go ahead with any contingency plans as if he were not going to be in Arizona….This is not an easy fix long term, not at all.

  5. By Larry Secrest on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    I agree that Kolb was taken out of the game due to the blown handoff on which Kolb tried to run and paid the price. But don’t you think that the 20+ sacks in 3 games played a toll on his body? Who knows what damage had already been done, and was just waiting to surface.

  6. By johnnybluenose on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    i hope kolb’s contract situation gets worked out and he is given another, and probably final chance to quarterback this team. i think he is our best choice going forward and i thought that going into training camp in july. hopefully we can make the necessary changes to our coaching staff and coaching philosophies to allow us to succeed. please, no more ridiculous quarterback competitions. i presume skelton starts on sunday. let him play every snap the rest of the way and then release him. he is clueless.

  7. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Larry –

    RE: Sacks

    I guess we will never know.

  8. By Stephen on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Are there any plans for Kolb to have surgery on his ribs? From what I could gather it seems that the ribs are healing below the sternum.

  9. By kauaicardsfan on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Aloha Darren,
    just curious, what type offense do we run ( no pun intended) and has Hoyer played in this type of system before? Just wanted to see how fast he would pick up the offense, I know if its a whole new system the learning curve would be much longer as oppose to already playing in this type of system before.
    Mahalo!

  10. By kevin on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Always liked Kolb, always thought he would be good enough to play. Was sad to see him hurt in that game cause we would of won it if he did not get hurt.We get to see what this new guy can do. Skelton , we all knew from last year he was not close to being the answer.Cut ties with Skelton and Lindley . Even though a rookie he should of played better and he showed nothing at all. My heart goes out to our coach best we have ever had. And also to Fritz on what he is going through.

  11. By D on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    This team has too many holes to fill that is why Fitz, Dockett and probably Wilson will be back next year, why create more holes when you need to fill these..
    QB
    RB
    2 G’s
    ILB
    OLB
    SS
    Depth across both lines..
    Many free agent players to decide on…Hyphen, Doucet, Hoyer, Lennon, Groves, Sanders, Johnson, Feely and Gay.

  12. By JR on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Well, at least this is the right decision, given the seriousness of Kolb’s injury. If he comes back, I just hope he is given the job as starting QB from the outset with none of this “competition” nonsense during the preseason.

  13. By kevin on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    something else also. Our offensive line has been playing and protecting the QB a lot better than they where and it shows. Before teams where feasting on our QB’s. Also shows how much Skelton and Lindley are not the answer.I see Lindley is listed as on the depth chart first than Skelton than Hoyer. I would put Hoyer first see what he has to offer.

  14. By MIKE G on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope you are good! Not surprising Kolb is done for the year. It will be an interesting off-season to say the least for the Cards. The remaining 3 games for this team are insignicant standings wise but are really important as to who really plays hard for the team. This team must get more physical offensively and the players must not miss games. We will see if Whiz comes back –I hope he does but he is going to have to overhaul the offense. There may be 2 new QB’S on the roster in 2013. Only way I see Kolb back is re-structuring his deal. I think development of a run game next year is vital for Whiz if he is to have success in 2013. Kind of like Seattle’s formula for the young QB-Russel Wilson–good run game, good D, timely throws!Darren- Don’t you think this team has to get a run game going at some point to help these QB’S out???? If not it will be Whiz’s downfall!

  15. By Scuba steve on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    You should mention it was 4 and 22 when he ran and was injured. And that he got the first down. Kolb deserves another chance.

  16. By Cert 33 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with Larry: The blown handoff may have been the “final blow”, but our horrible offensive line saw to it that Kevin Kolb took the worst beating over several games that I have ever seen a starting NFL QB take since Dan Pastorini with the Houston Oilers in 1979. He earned my respect and every cent of that contract. Unfortunately, with the current trends toward a hard hitting defense in the NFL, quality back-up QB’s are an absolute necessity. Our back-ups of course, are worthless and soon to be unemployed, so there is work to be done there.

  17. By Wes on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Darren –

    We need Kolb back. Please use whatever influence you have to get these conversations going in the right direction. Unless another Peyton Manning becomes available, he is probably a stable option and will make us competitive, given a better offensive line.

    I ask my fellow fans who would disagree: do you want another Matt Leinart ? (in USC’s Barkley) Do you want another Derek Anderson ? (In Jason Campbell or Vince Young or Brady Quinn, etc) No. Kolb HAS had injury problems, yes, but he is only 28, and showed amazing promise this year. Give him one more shot, at a renegotiated rate.

  18. By Dynosoar on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin Kolb was sacked 27 times in 5 games (1st game = 0 sacks, but only a short time playing).

    Perspective: playoff contenders for entire season
    Patriots = 20 (Brady = 20)
    Ravens = 31 (Flacco = 31)
    Texans = 17 (Schaub = 17)
    Broncos = 19 (Manning = 19)

    Colts = 32 (Luck = 32)
    Pittsburgh = 27 (Big Ben = 20)
    Bengals = 32 (Dalton = 32)

    There’s consitency with AFC QB’s

    Giants = 15 (Manning = 14)
    Packers = 42 (Rodgers = all 42)
    Falcons = 24 (Ryan = 24)
    49ers = 38 (Smith = 24)

    Bears = 37 (Cutler = 37)
    Seahawks = 24 (Wilson = 24)
    ?Reskins = 29 (RGIII = 28)
    ?Vikings = 28 (Ponder = 28)
    ?Cowboys = 31 (Romo = 31)

    Of the playoff contenders, based on current records, only 8 of the 16 QB’s listed have taken more sacks over the entire season than Kevin did in 5 games. Only 9 teams have given up more sacks in 13 games than he took in 5 games.

    I don’t know if he’ll be back or not, but of the above teams, only Aaron Rodgers has more to complain about than Kolb.

  19. By Dynosoar on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Historical sack perspective:

    2012 = 51 (projected to 63 if apply the average 4/game over the last 13 games.)

    2011 = 54

    2010 = 50

    2009 = 26

    2008 = can not find.

    What’s the difference?

    Kevin Kolb took more sacks in 5 games than we allowed in the entire 2009 season. Ouch!

    (Sorry, couldn’t resist that last pun.)

  20. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Stephen —

    RE: Surgery

    He said he doesn’t plan to have any surgery.

  21. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kauai —

    RE: Offense

    I am not sure about that right now.

  22. By mal on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb is not brittle.

    His concussion was a fluke, just bad luck. I think he had just thrown a screen pass and was on the ground when a guy hit him full force with a knee directly to the back of the head.

    His turf toe I think came when he was scrambling away from pressure and his foot got crushed by a D lineman making a tackle.

    His ribs got smashed by landing on the ball with a DT on top him cuz a 4th string RB missed his assignment.

    If Kolb could stand back there like Brady does with all day to throw, who knows how good he could be? Give Kevin a healthy set of RB’s and a healthy OL and a good OC and he could be a really fine starting QB.

  23. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Scuba —

    RE: Kolb situation

    Um, that was not the situation. It was first-and-10.

  24. By walnutbackpack on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Could the Cardinals renegotiate…and then trade him? At least they could get some value for him.
    He couldn’t “guarantee” he’d be available for most of the season. He’s injury-prone (missed lots of games in Philly too).
    Most teams that have found a new starting QB have done so via the draft (i.e., all the other teams in the NFCW).
    If they had a “do over,” should the Cards have drafted Kaepernick instead of Peterson? I think the answer to that is “yes.” But the mgmt/coaches seem to want a throwback QB, not the kind that can be successful in today’s league.

  25. By Patrick Eagan on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    goodbye Kevin. I hope cardinals fans see you in a cardinals uniform next season.

  26. By Rich on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Hopefully we can bring Kolb back at a more reasonable salary. We need to sign a veteran backup (kinda like the Bears did getting Jason Campbell). So that when KK goes down we don’t lose the ship. Draft a new, young qb pretty early…..first 3 rounds…..develpp him over a couple years.

  27. By Cert 33 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Also: Speaking of QB’s taking unnecessary beatings, I couldn’t help but notice that the latest round of hearings by former commisioner Tagliabue leaves little doubt that the Saint’s coaches were involved in the “bounties” on opposing QB’s. You all know and I know that after the “all universe” performance against the Packers in the 2009 playoffs by Kurt Warner (he had more TD’s than incompletions), the following week, the Saint’s ended Warner’s career and forced him to “walk away” from app. 11 million dollars (he was under contract for 2010). I think there is little doubt that the Saints wanted no part of Warner in the second half of that game. I submit that if it comes out that a “bounty” was paid on that hit, Sean Payton and Gregg Williams, & Co. should be forced by the NFL to pay Kurt and Brenda Warner and/or a charity of their choice the 11 million that the Warner’s were forced to walk away from. That would certainly be justice.

  28. By Scuba steve on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Oh my my bad. At some point in the game someone made a long 4th down conversion. Might of been one of skeltons plays

  29. By Kevin S on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Seems like the right contract for Kolb would be one with incentives based on being able to play… does the collective bargaining agreement allow this? If he plays, he gets paid; if he’s injured, he doesn’t (or gets a fraction of what he would have gotten).

  30. By Hammy on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Tough season for Kolb yet again. I hope this guy gets another chance somewhere else. Doubt it will be back with the Cardinals… He really played with a lot of heart when he was starting for us. Im excited for change and I think we should draft Matt Barkley, think he will be a solid quarterback for us.

  31. By Rufus on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Have the Cards even named a starting QB for the next game?

  32. By wnycardfan on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    If you could write a story about a season./team with issues “the hits just keep on coming” I don’t know if you could even imagine this season. Sacks up the yin yang, QB’s going down left and right. HB’s going down. OL going down (stinking whether with 1st string or not). Best player on the team (maybe in its history) being basically SHUT OUT game after game. ETC. This is just icing on the crap sandwich cake. Granted, I don’t think Kolb is the answer. He is probably a decent back up in the REAL NFL (that right now and for a long time Cardinals aren’t really a part of). SO, yeah, restructure him to be that and he may be 1st string until we get the real guy. Who ever that is. What really depresses me at this point is we have NO ANSWER for all of the problems we have. Yes, i’m on the “fire Whiz” side of the discussion. Nice guy, but he’s done. But whether they fire him or not, I see no answer there that doesn’t mean years of “rebuilding”
    QB issues = well its been beaten to death, but what’s the solution? there is no superman in the draft (so far as we know right now). QB’s in general are always a bit hit or miss (with Cards a lot of miss, no coaching, etc) so who the heck knows. Hoyer ain’t the answer, he’s stop gap because they knew Kolb was out. he can’t play this week unless they just need someone to hand off the ball.
    HB issues = we don’t have any solutions. Sad thing is, haven’t for years and years. Wells looked good for a while, but he’s running with cement shoes and has been all year. Williams, who the heck knows, looks like another Kolb, you can’t hang your hat on his performance going forward at all. The rest, maybe Powell, but until they really try who knows. Bottom line is, we have no one.
    OLine = enough said. Looks better, but I still think you need to shore it up a bit more. No sense in hoping for a good QB if he’s going to get murdered. No sense in hoping for a good RB if there are no holes being made
    so forth and so on. That is why I’m depressed. How can any team, let alone the cards given their history of poor decisions/management hope to overcome these issues. We don’t have nor will have Belichik so I guess I’ll have to get my paper bag out for games again and shore up my own thick skin for next several years

  33. By rdixon50 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Agree with Kevin’scomment about the o-line plaing better recently. Kobb can live with that.

    His concussion last year came from being kicked in the back of the head when he was down – very unusual. His rib injury this year was another unusual play – WIPO went the wrong way and Kevin was stuck with the ball. Don’t remember the play the toe injury occurred.

    Keep the defensive line and LBs away from Kolb and he’ll light it up like that laser to Roberts Darren mentioned. He’ll be good next year for the Cards, but only at a negotiated rate. And if he needs rib surgery, do it next week so he’s ready to go next year preseason game one.

    In industry, you must improve faster than your competition. Same in the NFL. The NFC West is on fire this year, excluding the Cards. It will be hard to make progress against STL, SFC and SEA.

    Final though – West Coast offense for Kevin. We have the receiving corps, but we may need to get some backs who can consistently catch the ball.

    GO CARDS – C U at Jiffy Pop against the Lions. My face will not be covered.

  34. By MikeinMesa on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Why does everyone assume that Barkley is another Leinart just because they went to the same school? Isn’t that just being superstitious?

  35. By georgiebird on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    If the Cardinals had a top notch defense, it would allow Skelton to be brought along slowly. If Skelton could have a game where he could throw about 20 times and hand off the rest, JS could be a good QB. After all, JS has proven he can win games in the NFL.
    Problem is- the Cardinals have a hit or miss blitzing defense-very average players. In Skelton’s games this year, the defense has been pretty bad especially in the 1st half. This has forced JS to pass against real good teams-and at age 24, JS is not good enough to win games by himself (he may never be that good).
    With the football Cardinals, if something can go wrong – it will. That is reason alone why Kolb should not return next year. Can Kolb be a decent QB with a less snake-bit organization- definitely – but not here.
    To use a baseball analogy- the baseball Cardinals picked up Lance Berkman in 2011 and Carlos Beltran in 2012 at times when other teams were wary that both guys were finished. Cards win WS in 2011 with Berkman a main piece and then get to the NL title game in 2012 with Beltran a big contributor. The baseball Cardinals get lucky more times than not – but the poor football Cardinals are cursed when trying similar moves.
    Let’s face it- we are Cubs’ fans during the football season.

  36. By martin on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Derran
    Would YOU like the team to leave massie and potter on the line,for next year and their also very young and looks like they are getting the hang of it ?

  37. By D on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Some names on practice squads that could help AZ next year if Adub and Groves are not back on the team in 2013.

    Sean Cattouse S on Chargers squad.

    Adrian Hamilton OLB on Ravens squad

    If the Cards move Carter to DE and want another DT, another player in the NT mold for 3-4 def is Alameda Ta’amu on the Steelers practice squad. (in case Eason is not back next year)

  38. By Rob G on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Dyno,

    Your sack stats also demonstrate how important the QB position is when it comes to sacks. We had virtually the same O-line in 2010 vs. 2009 except for the addition of Alan Faneca at Guard, but the big difference was Kurt Warner because he excelled at getting the ball out quickly. He got hit a lot, but didn’t take many sacks.

    Plus, at around $11 million average salary for Kolb in 2013 that puts him in the same salary range as proven NFL starting QB’s like Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers. Granted Ryan & Rodgers will be getting big raises soon, but it shows why the Cards can’t bring him back at his current contract.

    My hope is that they restructure to give him Flacco money ($6 million) and draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round and let the best QB win. Wouldn’t it be nice to have two decent options at QB versus zero for the same $11 million!

  39. By Darren Urban on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Martin —

    RE: Massie/Potter

    I wouldn’t have a problem with them as my tackles, but I’m not going to say for sure. Lot of time between now and then. What are draft options? What are FA options?

  40. By D on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Cards have Potter, Brown and Massie under contract next year, unless you want to move one or two to G, you probably don’t need a Tackle. But you do need a G, Warmack from ALA is the best interior lineman available. His teamate Jones is also good and could be drafted lower in Round 1

  41. By Cert 33 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Per Matt Barkley: No way. USC QB’s are waaaaay overated. If you are real lucky and have a great defense, you get ONE season where they take you to the first round of the playoffs and that’s it. Re: Palmer, Cassel, Leinart, Sanchez, and now Barkley. Get an SEC QB in the draft and a 10 year veteran to round out the roster with Kolb.

  42. By D on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Kolb needs to have a procedure called an operational fixation. It would be malpractice for his doctor not to insist upon it with a professional athlete, because the costal cartliege on at least 1 of 3 places re-attached at the back of the body of the sternum intstead of to the side in the half-moon like notch they’re designed to attach too. Being properly attached to the side gives it much more stability. Typically when they do that procedure they reinforce the rib that connects on the side of the costal cartilege with metal strips. The attachment heals completely in a few weeks, but the incision they make to get to the ribs takes long and is gigantic, so Kolb will have a nice scar, but will be perfect in 8 weeks. The procedure would make that process stronger than it was before he was ever hurt.

    Sure there are the issues of injuries, but all of them have been freakish. None of them provide any indication his body is breaking down like Wells or Williams. None of his injuries are to parts that haven’t healed completely and are as structurally sound as someone who never had the injury.

    He’s If you really disect the tape of Kolb in the 6 games he plays, he’s doing so many great things that never show up on the stat sheet, going thru progressions, play calling, adjustments, mechanics on the level elite qbs perform, which is really how you make a play work and how you build an entire offensive strategy. There is no one in this year’s draft or available in trade or free agency who has his skill set. He really started to develop timing and chemistry with his receivers and backs this year when the season was cut short and this was before the big move to put Potter at OLT which stabilized pass protection. Agreed he needs to renegotiation to a much cap friendlier number, but he’s smart and has to know Arizona is the best place for him. The Cards should know that the smart thing to do is to give Kolb another year instead of foolishly blowing up their cap for years going forward this year when there are no good alternatives available. What Arizona didn’t have this year was an adequate backup, because of how horrible SKelton turned out to be. Whiz should get the blame for that. Watching film going back to last year there were tons of telltale signs that Skelton wasn’t developing that Whiz or someone in the organization choose to ignore because the team won games. The Hoyer pickup makes sense. Ideally I would like Lindley to do well and earn the start for the rest of the year, but if he doesn’t Hoyer should get the next shot. Skelton should be emergency only and needs to be let go before the mini-camp begins next year.

  43. By D on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Hoyer could be a very viable back up qb going forward. If its possible, I hope he gets some playing time to see how he does. This is not a good year for qbs in the Draft Most veteran qbs are going to expect to be overpaid. Barkley while a great character guy and nothing like Leinart personality wise, has a weak arm, doesn’t move well, isnt’ athletic and looks like the protypical guy Buddy Ryan would have called “Chuck and Duck”. Worse yet, his entire career he’s always lost a lot of accuracy once he started getting hit. Geno Smith while a great athlete, is a gamble that you dont take with 1st round choices. Best athlete available is the way to go. Joeckel is that good, so is Chance Warmack who would be a road grader. Cards could put Colledge at center, Levi Brown and Warmack on either side and they would have roadgradders.

  44. By rdixon50 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    D,

    Good comments, especially on the surgical info. Sounds lie you’ve had it done or spend time in ORs. Hope Kevin reads this.

  45. By Scott H on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Well, two seasons of Kevin Kolb and two seasons of him ending the season on the sidelines, having missed extended time due to injury.

    All I can say is that CLEARLY, more should have been done to get Peyton Manning. Then again…I have to believe that Manning would not have hitched his wagon to the Cardinals. Not with their history. He is way to smart to do something like that.

  46. By KDubADub1324 on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    @georgiebird

    Dude, all Skelton proved this year is that he sucks. Open your eyes, man. Don’t try to defend his horrible play. You’re probably the only one now in AZ that still prefers him over Kolb

  47. By Eric on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    Looking back now…we see just how well Kolb was playing. He had THIS team at 4-0. Unreal.

  48. By Patrick on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    I would like Kolb to come back under a restructured contract. Everyone talks about the sacks Kolb took, a large part was the offensive line, but it was also Kolb’s tendency to hold the ball waaay too long. Kolb is a quality back up quarterback and would be ranked is the bottom ten starting quarterbacks in the league.

  49. By BIG RED on Dec 12, 2012 | Reply

    It’s just funny how kolb has all of you by the **lls. Especiallly the Bidwells, go ahead and pay him again so he can go and play an average of 5 games and then sit his butt and watch the remainder of the games, just like all of you season ticket holders. All those injuries and has never had a surgery, what’s up with that. When will this organization wake up from this kolb dream.

  50. By GMAN on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    I wish I had the opportunity to negotiate a contract from 9 million.I’d like to know what it feels like to have 100,000.00 in the bank.

  51. By The everlasting Kolbstopper on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    What I find funny is that people still are saying “we should have gotten Manning”. Do you honestly think Manning would have lasted all 16 games, given how poorly the offensive line played at the beginning of the season? …honestly?!?! My guess is Manning probably only would have lasted 4 games and we would have been 4-0 and Skelton and Lindley still would have led us to 0-12. Then we’d by crying over paying Manning 20 million for 5 games. Saying ” this guy just had neck surgeries… No way was he gonna be the Manning of old.” Everyone needs to step back and look at the bigger picture. There are no Lucks or RGIII’s in the draft. There are no free agents. Who would you want next year ( that isn’t going to cost 11 million? Keep in mind new players usually come with contract extensions and bonuses) my guess is anybody you bring in that is a rookie won’t be ready (not in this QB draft class at least) and if there is a big name free agent what makes you think he won’t cost us a lot of money to win his services. I guess my point is, it won’t matter who you bring in here if you don’t address the line first. Address the line this offseason, address QB and RB next off season.

  52. By Kevin S on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    Scott H —

    To be fair, aren’t you one of the posters who’s acknowledged on this board that you didn’t believe Manning would be able to come back as strong as he has? I was in that camp. Sure, it looks now like he would’ve been a great addition… but in March when we had to decide whether or not to pay Kolb his roster bonus, no one knew what to expect. And if we had paid a gazillion dollars to get him, and then he didn’t perform to expectations (or got hurt behind our O-line), we’d be in the same position we are now (or worse, as we might have skimped elsewhere to come up with the $ to pay Manning).

    Hindsight is 20/20. We of course should’ve drafted Adrian Petersen as well. Bowie over Jordan… Tom Brady in the late rounds… sports are full of woulda/coulda/shoulda.

  53. By BIG RED on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    Your right G-MAN, in the bank and for not playing, Wow! It’s time to move on from the kolb soap opera.

  54. By KKfan on Dec 13, 2012 | Reply

    Am not suprised to read that Kolb is being put on IR…there is no sense in
    asking him to try to get back when there is nothing on the line this season.

    @walnutbackpack, I don’t know where you get your info from that Kevin missed alot of games when he was with Philly too, as you say in your post. I keep reading this from many fans here who claim that . Being a fan of the Eagles I can tell you for a certainty that is false information.

    He sat behind McNabb for 3 seasons. A design by the coaching staff. So if you are referring to those games as missed due to injury you are dead wrong. None of them were due to injuries. But a coaches decision to stick with his long time franchise QB.

    In 2010’s opener against gGren Bay he suffered his first concussion. He missed the following weeks game. But that was the ONLY game he missed due to his concussion. He was cleared to play the next week. But due to the performance of Vick in his replacment of Kevin in the GB game, they made the deciision to stick
    with Mike. Again, that decision had nothing to do with Kolbs concussion injury. And everything to a coaches decision to go with the hand he felt gave them the best chance to win games. Just as Whisenhunt die when naming John the starter for this season.

    Whether the Cardinals choose to bring him back is certainly their decision. I don’t think Kevin would be adverse to restructuring his contract to remain with the team.
    Given his feeling for the organization. And as already pointed out there really is no sure thing comming out in this years draft. And unless your willing to opt for one of the unsuccessful ones that are out there than I see your best option is to make a reasonable offer that will allow Kolb to want to renegociate his current contract…and remain with the team.

  55. By Scott H on Dec 14, 2012 | Reply

    Kevin S –

    yes, I have confessed to being dead solid wrong about Manning. Guilty as charged. After Manning went elsewhere, was there really a choice of what they needed to do with Kolb? No, there really was not. After what they invested to get him here, they were not going to give up on him after one season. Not only would they have looked like total idiots for being so wrong in their own judgement, they also would have been left with virtually nothing at QB going into training camp. Once they lost out on Manning – which seemed inevitable all along – they had little choice but to give Kolb the bonus and hope like hell he would pan out. Just imagine how foolish they would have looked if they cut Kolb, he went somewhere else and actually became the winning QB we hoped he would be! THAT would have been even worse.

    And, right now, could things have turned out any worse???

  56. By Wes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply

    @ D

    Great comments. Is there a way you could forward some of that info to Darren or the press secretary ?

    This year’s draft will be strong in linemen – not Quarterbacks. We need to take the A & M kid, move Levi over to right tackle (and/or, let him compete with Massie for that spot) and keep bringing along Potter. Then we might really have something with the run game and Kolb at the helm for play action and the no huddle.

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