Re: Gruden interviews,

I agree, Gruden does a great job breaking down each QB. I also think 90% of the QBs interviewed well also. I guess all in all they actually deserved to be drafted higher than early polls suggested. It also will be interesting if Gruden is evaluating QBs as a HC instead of analyst next year?

It was more of a BPA vs Need pick argument. But everything usually turns to QB. Especially when you dont have one.

BTW, I am not an authority and dont claim to be and I do admit when I am wrong. I just try to point out the things I see and welcome debates.

I thought Cam would be a bust with 1 year experience and that offense Auburn ran.
I wasn’t a Brandon Weedon fan
I wasnt a Kaepernick fan
I thought Wilson was too short.
And I was a huge fan of Ponder. Although I still like him, he might morph into Alex Smith.

But I think I was right about;
I liked Locker but had question marks. I think I like him more today then coming out of draft. I dont belive I am wrong about him
Gabbert, who has been a mess, I never saw anything in him.
Tannehill will develop into a top 5 QB in two more years.
I thought the Jets grabbing Sanchez at 5 was foolish
I was an Andy Dalton Fan, Nick Foles fan, and Josh Freeman fan (who I thought we should have traded up for in 2009. I dont think I was on this board at the time but people who know me heard me yelling.
I also loved Ryan Mallott until his interview with Gruden. Wanna be gansta with a world of talent. Billicheck could have a 3rd round steal on his bench if he matures.

I do like the Gruden interviews. It helps or turns me off the QBs I have watched all year. The most interesting one I want to hear this year is Tyler Wilson.
There are a lot of hero and zeros in this QB crop. Geno Smith Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson have huge potential but huge question marks too.

Aaron Murray and Landry Jones are safer bets late in the first or early second.

WR’s: Our 1st Round draft pick was a bust this 2012 season and insignificant just like Larry Fitz. I sure hope we can “develop” another 1st Round Draft pick in 2013, don’t you?

TE’s: Were a no-show for the most part.

RB’s: Our healthiest RB this year and most promising was William Powell and he(and fans) got ripped off by Ken W. for not playing him early and more throughout the season like he should have. By playing W. Powell early we would’ve gained more rushing yards, helped the terrible Batiste days of our OL, possibly saved Kevin Kolb and Ryan Williams from getting injured. Beanie was as unpredictable as always and unhealthy but not as much as LSH who is only a part-time RB even though Ken W. played him full-time ignoring William Powell.

QB’s: Were the butt of Ken W.’s jokes, he may as well of spat on R. Lindley and J. Skelton. Don’t we have a great QB confidence builder in Ken W.? Heck, he even does magnificently in how he develops our QB’s.

Please not the Tannehill and other QBs story again. Too much hindsight. Watching Gruden will do that I guess. The only one who you missed on his interviews this year is Osweiler. Wonder why he didn’t start this year as a Rookie? Oh yeah, some guy named Manning. Doing a great job John, please find us a QB for next year. I do agree with Locker though. Watching him in College, he was Tebow times two with a lot more accuracy. He’s gonna be a good one in time.

Fisher did not want Young. That was the owners pick.

Other QBs tied to coaches;
You make a good point and it is exactly why Whiz might lose his job. He is tied with Kolb. Everyone says give Kolb another year and see if he can stay healthy. It has been 3 years in a row he has been hurt multiple times. (including Philly) So, we are going to see if year 4 is his lucky year?

As for which QBs;
In 2012, Trading up was available to land Tannehill. Trading down, we could have had Weedon, Or trading down would have netted a second in which we could have had Foles or Wilson. We will have to see who develops.

In 2011, A massive trade was available with the Falcons, sending us to the bottom of the first, where we could have landed Kaep or Dalton.
As for Locker, it was well known he would take a couple of years. I have seen flashes and with the right coach, I believe he can be a franchise guy.
I never liked Gabbert. I question those run and shoot style QBs and really saw nothing in him and voiced it many times on this board.
I did like Ponder but thought he would be a late 1 early 2. To Ponders defense, who is he throwing to? Harvin has been injured and not much else. It is tough to judge a young QB without giving him time and weapons.

In 2013, if we draft a QB, everyone shouldnt expect Luck or RG3. They will be up and down. But the key is, do you see progress andpotential to elevate their game.

Every coach has lived and died with “his guy” at QB. Rex Ryan is gone in NY because Sanchez was his guy. Fraizer and Muncheck are going to live and die with Ponder and Locker. Adrian Peterson might give Fraizer more time because of his super-human play. Fisher picked Vince Young and he is now fired and Vince Young is on his couch. John Fox stuck with Delhomme, then choose Clausen in 2nd round. He then started him and was fired that same year. McDaniels in Denver- Tebow. Belichick- Brady. McCarthy-Rodgers. Harbaugh-Flacco. Reid- McNabb/Vick. I can name many more.

A case can be made Whiz is tied to Kolb. If that is the case, I think he needs one more year to see if Kolb can stay healthy. If he was concussed this year, I say injury prone. But since it was a freak play, I give him one more shot. Kolb is our starting QB. He is why we chose Floyd (I also didn’t like that pick). If they draft QB, they need one that can backup Kolb and be able to play if Kolb goes down again. Kind of like Kaep.

A very weak case can be made that Whiz is tied to Skelton. But no head coach has EVER, EVER picked a QB in the 5th round and said, “this is our future QB.” Even Brady got benched for Bledsoe when he was healthy. Skelton only started games AT ALL because of injuries. And even when Whiz named him the starter at the beginning, Whiz said in the same press conference that both QBs will probably play. I don’t think he was talking about injuries. Skelton got lucky more than anything in 2011 and Whiz knew it.

Graves somehow survived the Leinart pick. Whiz shouldn’t be punished for that missed pick. It is said that if you miss on a franchise QB (1st round) it sets you back 5 years. Whiz got “unlucky” with Warner because that success only added 2 years to us really seeing that Leinart was a bust. Had leinart started in 08, he would have been gone by 09 and the Cards probably would have picked a new QB that year.

Of course we passed on the actual Demarcus Ware for Antrel Rolle. But to my original point, QB trumps all, not only did we pass on Ware in 2005, we also passed on Aaron Rodgers.

But to your point, it may not be a case of BPA for the cards but instead, the lack of judging talent. The cards obviously thought they were getting a Jones or Green, just like they thought they were getting a franchise LT in Brown. You obviously think they missed.

I think if there isn’t a clear choice and a need, trade down to where the pick makes sense. If we traded down and took a wr in the second, no one is complaining.

Well, Im sure someone is complaining.

Great post.

I’ve been railing against the Cards’ philosophy of BPA for a few years, but I didn’t have the detailed factual argument that you used. It just didn’t seem logical based on the results that the Cards have experienced.

But, guess which the Cards will use in 2013? BPA or Need? You could probably take BPA to the bank.