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Hoyer in terms of 2013

Posted by Darren Urban on December 26, 2012 – 3:14 pm

Brian Hoyer will get his chance to start at quarterback for the Cardinals Sunday. Coach Ken Whisenhunt officially made that true Wednesday when he named Hoyer his starter in San Francisco, the fourth different guy to start at QB for the Cards this season. Whiz said Hoyer has earned the chance to play, but it doesn’t hurt to take a little bit of a longer look at someone who could be on the roster for the Cards going forward.

Hoyer’s contract will run out in March. I believe he will be a restricted free agent again — he was for the Patriots last offseason, but I don’t believe he will have earned an accrued season this year (three weeks each with Pittsburgh and Arizona but will have been active just four games) to reach unrestricted free agency. That would mean the Cards can tender him an offer to keep him around (and even if he would be unrestricted, the Cards could still try to re-sign him.) UPDATE: I was wrong. Hoyer will indeed be unrestricted.

Regardless, Hoyer wasn’t about to talk about that Wednesday. Not with his game against the 49ers on deck.

“I’m not really worried about that right now,” Hoyer said. “I’m worried about what play will be called on third-and 2-to-5. We’re not going to the playoffs and this is the last game and there will be plenty of time to worry about that after Sunday.”

– Whisenhunt said he didn’t know if running back Beanie Wells would start this week, noting it would be a “package-oriented” result. As for Wells’ comments that he was auditioning for other teams in the finale, Whisenhunt put it on the frustration of the season and nothing more than that. “When you’ve had individual players that have played certain ways, there’s going to be frustration,” Whisenhunt said. “Sometimes they’re going to make comments, so you don’t put a lot of stock in what they say.

“(Beanie) has a job to do for us. He’s got to do a better job than what he did last week. He understands that and that’s what you focus on.”

– Tight end Rob Housler (shoulder) was put on injured reserve Wednesday, ending his season. Wide receiver Kerry Taylor was promoted from the practice squad to take his place on the roster.


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37 Responses to “Hoyer in terms of 2013”

  1. By Chuck 1 on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    When considering candidates for a POTENTIAL HC, let’s think outside the box i.e. NOT Horton or Haley.
    Another selling point for Bill O’Brien, former OC for the Patriots, is that he uses his tight ends (unlike Whiz) e.g. Rpb Gronkowski.
    He has also used Wes Welker well.

  2. By sarah on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Surprise Surprise, Whiz telegraphed this one at the press conference Monday. So let’s see what he’s got. Rumor has it Skelton is going to Houston and the Giants are showing interest. This will be Whiz’s last game as coach of the Cardinals, sweeping changes coming.

  3. By Rio on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Beenie Wells: He doesn”t belong in the NFL, i have never seem a back come down so easy from a hand or finger tackel. Every time he tried to go outside if someone just touch any part of him he was down.

    Whisenhunt, i like him as a man but he just doesn’t know how to pick a QuarterBack, just review the last couple of years.

    Good Luck this week boys, i can’t bear to watch anymore.

  4. By georgiebird on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz is great at figuring out other people’s psyche. Has Whiz ever said that he (the Wizzard of AZ) has had a bad year ?
    Starting Hoyer (another Steeler connection) shows Whiz at his vindictive best. But Skelton has been a real pro in handling the terrible treatment he has received from Whiz.
    In a way, I’m glad Hoyer is starting against SF- I hope SF gives him a good test. After all, Skelton has tried SF at home and Seattle, GB and Minn on the road. Kolb and Lindley have not played the tough games that Skelton has.
    I hope Michael the Clueless gives Whiz a mercy firing and pays him the final season. If Whiz does return for his final year, I hope that each day takes about a year to play out- Whiz deserves at least that for the job he has done.

  5. By Dean Kennedy on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Pretty darn presumptuous of Hoyer to assume he will ever find himself in a 3rd down situation with between 2 and 5 yards to go.

    It’s downright laughable at this point to think that Whis and/or Graves couldl be back next year. Can’t think of any other NFL team where such a possibility would exist. Not even Jacksonville.

  6. By sarah on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Whiz is scapegoating the season on accuracy which has some merit, that said he is omitting games where the O line was completely negligent against the likes of Jarred Allen, Aldon Smith etc. As well. the defence had some major letdowns ( STL, SF, GB, Seattle etc). Coaches have made bad calls, receivers dropped balls, ran bad routes, running game was absent for much of the year. The only shining star was the punter. SF is going to be a nightmare game. SF is angry re. Seattle and the Cards are sleepwalking in with a QB who played against a prevent D last week. I think we will get a passing touchdown and lots of IT’s from Hoyer. I hope the defence can contain Gore and their high powered offence. Hoyer will be meeting Aldon Smith and it will not be pretty, they will be binging it against him. There has to be a reason Pittsburg just handed him to the Cards.

    I personally wasted way too much time following this team n 12, last year was fun this year just ridiculous. Kolb has proven he cannot sustain a season it is time to find a starter who has solid NFL experience.

  7. By jason marcus on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    I really think the team should go with Horton as Head Coach maybe Haley as OC they wont change much about what Horton was doing from this year basically the DC would be Hortons puppet,and there we go .We get a missing piece on the Oline draft a Qb ,get a QB in free agency draft a couple other rough spots CB ,OLB, RB, etc etc etc….. your welcome Mr. Bidwell , theres your plan.

  8. By jason marcus on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Also when can the Hoyer- Charlie Brown -Phil Collins comments begin?

  9. By NJAzCardsFan on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    Darren- Do you think “major” changes are coming to the Cards in both Mgmt/Coaching and players…???

    It is obvious Whiz et all cannot pick a QB, This team has been going around in circles in regards to this QB issue for the last 3 yrs. Signing other teams QB castoffs is not the answer.

    After the 58-0 beat down, I even stopped wearing my Cardinals hat out of embarassment.

    The next week or two should give the fans of the true direction of the owners intent to develop a winning formula. The current plan has run out of gas…..

    I have to agree with all of the above posters about the current issues that plague this team.

  10. By johnnybluenose on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    whiz says that hoyer has earned the right to play. so, hoyer has shown more potential and/or ability in three weeks than lindley has in six months. at least that’s what whiz thinks. assuming whiz is being honest, not always a correct assumption, then what does that say about the ability of our coaching staff to properly evaluate the abilities of our players and how to properly teach and motivate them? i’m thinking it doesn’t say too much good about them. skelton is being shown the door after three years of so-called coaching and teaching that has amounted to nothing. someone needs to explain why this experiment failed and why it took so long for the coaches to understand that skelton is not an nfl calibre quarterback. and how long will lindley and hoyer be around before they too are sent packing? and whiz doesn’t put too much stock into the comments of frustrated players, like beanie wells. again, whiz is just being dishonest. either that or he really is clueless. and, it’s four days before our next game and he can’t tell us if beanie is going to start. why can’t we know this? we don’t think beanie is hurt. and i’m sure it does not matter to the niners who is going to start at running back. this is whiz just being whiz and wanting to punish beanie for his fumble last week. beanie had four carries last week. was that not punishment enough? who can blame beanie for wanting out of arizona? why would he want to stay here as long as whiz is our coach? i hope our guys don’t get humiliated on sunday and i hope hoyer manages to finish the game. but i would not bet on it.

  11. By BIG RED on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    One day John Skelton will come to the toaster and give the cardinals a good beating and I will be looking forward to it.

  12. By Darren Urban on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    NJAz —

    RE: major changes

    Do I think there will be significant change? Yes. What form will that take? Not sure.

  13. By bluepitt on Dec 26, 2012 | Reply

    @Rio,
    hahaha you are still in here?
    Wells only needs a finger to bring down? hahahaha Ask the G-Men if that is true? ask the Vikings if that is true or even ask the Rams if that is true? You are so funny, do you do any other reading? I will find the post that Denny was quoted saying he loves Wells and would have given his @#$% for a back like that! Why do I quote Denny Green? He built a Super bowl caliber team in Min and one here as well! If he knows any thing its talent! He went on to say that Whiz was spoiled by a back that didn’t need scheme or a lead blocker (Bettis) and Whiz thinks all backs can run like that, and if he doesn’t think like that, his Run play assignments sure do depict that fact! He puts his backs on a island, and that only works with a back like Bettis. Even AP has a great scheme to run in!

  14. By Walt on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Can we please stop talking about Skelton. He’s done and has lasted way to long. I think that giving hoyer a chance is a good idea, he’s looked better than what we’ve been sending out there since kolb went down .
    Yes we need a lot , but we have to play what we have so lets just give Hoyer a chance to make some noise and ruin SF’s year. You never know . Go Cards In Wiz I don’t trust ….

  15. By kgjr22 on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Has everyone forgot about what Whiz has done for our franchise. I can’t believe everyone ready to move on with a new coach. We need to fire O-line coach sorry R Grimm. Our Qb coach and rb coach. Remember we had tons of injury’s this year I knew it was going to be a ruff season!!!!!!!! It is very hard to find a QB in this league Drafting one doesn’t always work look at Kansas City, Raiders, Jacksonville, Jets, I can go on with teams that QB didn’t work. It’s very rare to find a qb. We will need to pick up some lineman in draft or through free agency. Look at the team Whiz has built and I do believe we will get even better through the draft. Whiz has brought Campbell, Washington, Acho, Schofield, Roberts, R. Williams, Peterson, Rhodes, Sanders,D. Williams, Carter and the list goes on. I don’t think its Whiz fault lets hold onto him and have faith. I still believe in everything AZ is doing its will turn around just have to believe just believe. GO CARDS

  16. By Jerry on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve said that in the past. Skelton hasn’t had the proper qb to learn from or the best qb coach.I’ve said that when Skelton leaves, he will take whatever team he is with to the superbowl just wait and see.

  17. By kgjr22 on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    To Big Red!!!!!!!!
    R u serious did u even watch any of the games Skelton played in this year and last year. He was terrible the only reason people liked him because he won games but I didn’t think he won games OUR DEFENSE WON those games. The D kept it close for Skelton to have one drive were he scored. If you look at his stats almost all his games he completed under 50% of his passes thats terrible. Skelton will be very lucky to be a backup qb for another team. He had the best reciever in the game and couldn’t complete a pass to him when he was WIDE OPEN I meen WIDE OPEN. Sorry Skelton see you later.

  18. By JKA on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    These comments sound exactly like the comments being made here in Kansas City about the Chiefs and our HC and GM. We have the same QB problems that Arizona has except we have a stellar RB with no wide receivers. Believe it or not Arizonas Defense is a thousand times better than the Chiefs. Hope AZ finds a quality QB in the draft. If not, it’s going to be another rocky year in “13”.

  19. By Rick on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Sarah, I’ve been trying to find out information as to where Skelton will go. Can you tell me where you found out about rumors of Houston or Giants showing interest?

  20. By jocards on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    In my opinion to blame Skelton’s shortcomings as a player on Whisenhunt is really a stretch. Skelton has played mostly poorly because he just isn’t very good, not because he hasn’t been coached up. He was a 5th round draft choice out of Fordham that has a big arm….he was a project and projects don’t work out more often than they do in the talent laden NFL. To question the current regime’s ability to judge talent is fair in some instances in my estimation….However John Skelton mostly failed on the field because of John Skelton, not because of Ken Whisenhunt. To me it is almost laughable when I read posts emphasizing that Skelton stunk against better competition as though playing poorly against good teams somehow is excusable…In the NFL?!?

  21. By Tucson Card on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Should be interesting to see Hoyer get some more reps on Sunday. He did’t do too bad last game. At least he got the ball in the recievers’ hands haha.

    Kind of bummed D.Washington was only named as an alternate; he’s one of the best MLB in the League.

    Anyways, I’m stoked for the offseason. It’ll should be pretty exciting for FA and the draft. I think they should keep Whiz, he’s a good coach/leader; bounce Graves and Miller.

  22. By hminus on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    qb pojects can work-out IF they have what they need on the o-line & in the backfield, look @ what skelton did last year when our ground game was respectable/ when the ground game produces even average numbers, the pressure on the qb is reduced to a manageable level & defenses have to plan to stop more than just a one trick pony,if we make it a priority to stack our backfield with a couple of durable & productive rb’s to run behind a much improved o-line/then whatever qb we have,( kolb-hoyer-free-agent,) will look much better next season—imagine what russel wilson or c. ponder would look like if they had only 76.0 ypg rushing to work with,( it would be ugly.)

  23. By wnycardfan on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Again, agree with a lot of you on here
    We need a new coach, and we better get one or I’ll really be ticked off, agree with Chuck1 on OUTSIDE the box thinking here
    We need QB, not Kolb, he can’t stay healthy, then he can’t stay. This whole season has been a laughing stock at this position. 4 QB’s, one off the wire 3 weeks ago despite healthy players…….you have to laugh to stop from crying.
    We need new management (graves)
    We need new RB’s. Can’t stay healthy, sorry it looks to be true. Wells had some good games, he needs to be more consisitent. Williams, who the heck knows, but so far, looks like he’s fragile
    We need help on Oline for sure.
    THOSE are the chagnes I want to see, promising changes, not these 12 year veterans we get off the wavier wire. Lets face it we are going to be in re-building mode next year (and maybe years to come). Might as well start now. GET rid of the Whiz and his cronies.
    Someone in another post brought up the fact that you have at least 3 players saying something to the tune of “not sure I’ll be back here, want to be wanted etc” and those are 1st string guys. I am sure some of that is because of a horrible season. BUT its the 3rd horrible season. I see no leadership (Coaching) here. Its a business and we know that, but to have these guys saying that smacks of a behind the scenes meltdown in cohesion and confidence and respect. And while we don’t see even half the REAL picture of what is going on there, what we can see tells me, that the leadership is DONE. Kick them out, get new ones. I see no one who is the appointed leader (ie coach, manager, etc) looking in the mirror and re-evalutating THEIR performance, never mind the poor player performance.
    And finally, because we can’t see the whole picture, I’ll be one to say that MAYBE just MAYBE with the right coaching etc… some of these players that we believe stink COULD or WOULD be a LOT better and be great 1st stringers (ala Harbaugh and ALex Smith turn around etc).

  24. By dstock21CardinalsWINRLOSE on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Have all of you forgot that this offense has all been injured? I think Fitz is the only player to play the whole year through? The two rookie Tackles have improved and matured, Levy will be back next year and if he can’t win his job back he can start at guard, put Jeremy Bridges at guard if we keep him, if Lyle is now a question look to draft a Center and develop Snyder as the center for now, College can sub in and out. There’s your line!!! Find a true emotional and healthy POWER RUNNINGBACK that will run with passion. Keep Kolb healthy cause there isn’t much out there as of now, and find a great #2 to develop and eventually start. Maybe thats Hoyer who knows? Who calls the VERY PREDICTABLE OFFENSIVE PLAYS? He needs to go, is it Whiz or Miller? If we get crushed this week I agree Whiz has lost this team and its time for change.

  25. By jocards on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    I know that most of the posters here want a new head coach next season and I can’t necessarily say that would be a bad move. However there are a few issues that need to be considered. I can’t imagine any head coaching candidate that has other options choosing to work for the Bidwills with their vast history of failure and an organization that often appears to be in disarray and is seemingly without leadership or direction from the top. Does anybody think that a Sean Payton for example would choose Arizona if offered the job? I don’t. This team has “leaders” disregarding directives from the head coach and physically confronting teammates on the field about those directives and they are allowed to take the field the very next week with merely a fine. Who is in charge here? Is the coach supported by the front office and ownership? Is there any foundation from which to sustain success? Arizona will be a tough sell for any coaching candidates that have other options.

  26. By Scott H on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    RE: Whiz has said that Hoyer has earned a chance to play…

    Wait a minute….Hoyer has earned a chance to play? OR, is this just a situation where every other QB has been SO bad that we don’t want to see any more of them???

    Hey, believe me, I would LOVE to see Hoyer turn out to be the QB we need for the next decade. NOTHING would make me happier. But right now? He is merely another in an endless line of question marks at the QB position for this team. No more, no less. Looks like we will start training camp next year in the same place we usually do – square one.

    I heard someone say something about Kolb being the back-up next year…but there is NO WAY Kolb is here as a back-up next year unless his contract is voided and he signs another for way, way, WAAAAAy less.

  27. By truths4all on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    I simply cannot believe how clueless others are in supporting Whiz. Whiz has done NOTHING except ride Kurt Warner’s coattails to the Super Bowl. Warner inspired the Cards Defense to play better than they ever had in the system they were in. What’s my proof? Only consider that once Warner left, Whiz has been exposed as totally incompetent in being a successful head coach and in all of the duties and player evaluations that go along with it. The proof is in the team’s performance both while Warner was playing and demanding excellence from the Offense while inspiring the Defense to where in Warner’s absence, Whiz has laid down absolute proof that he is really incompetent as a head coach. Pittsburgh obviously knew a lot about Whiz (and how he would be a crummy head coach) and THAT is why they rejected him for their head coach vacancy.

  28. By Dean Kennedy on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    BIG RED: If you want to see Skelton after this year, I suggest you hit The Home Depot. Try power tools. Or maybe lumber. Oh sure, someone will sign Skelton to be the fourth quarterback in training camp, but that will be it. Keep your eyes peeled at The Home Depot come August or so.

  29. By sarah on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Rick,

    His uncle is part owner of the Houston Texans and apparently there is an offer already on the table for camp should he be waived. The Giants also will probably go for him I hear, apparently as the owners are huge Fordham alum/donors (the Mara family) and want to see him succeed, the Jets are also interested. He will land on his feet despite Whiz’s meanness. Skelton blew his Seattle chance but it was a huge uphill battle in their stadium and Whiz knew it. Whiz should have kept him in against Atlanta.

    Skelton’s big problem was he got in too fast without a mentor and started competing with Kolb who was a bust last year. If Kolb had worked out this year it would have given Skelton another year to grow as a QB. Neither Lindley or Skelton had the ”guy” to be behind. Skelton was brought in to be the 3rd QB post draft and developed slowly. Look he played on par with Aron Rogers in the Green Bay game, beat SF last year and went 6-2 closing games out with a W in 2011-12. He never got a soft home game return from the Seattle injury, rather was thrown in the fire. Had Feely made the Buffalo kick well maybe things would have worked. Minn, SF and GB were no easy gig and if the D had not let GB’s Crabtree run for 87 yards who knows. I think the Seattle seems to be everybody’s disaster right now at their home field.

    Darren,

    As per Hoyer, let’s not be writing checks just yet as he played against a prevent D last game with a pick and several sacks. Let’s see how SF goes would be a rational man’s thought., desperation we have visited Post season there are lots of Brian Hoyers around. Pittsburg did not see anything in him which should be an indicator but I remain open minded, one 20 minutes of play with no TD is not a career nor contract potential. SF will be all over this guy and our predictable short passing offence, they are mad post Seattle and we are drifting in.

  30. By Scott H on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    dstock –

    RE: Injuries

    Sorry, but can you remind me of the name of the pro-bowl QB and O-lineman who were injured this year? Silly me, I must have forgotten their names! Been such a long season…

  31. By Louisville Card on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    I applaud the love of the cards that has so blinded both of you. That love has to be why you think any team would ever give Skelton a chance to start after the two season’s he’s had…coaching can’t be the only reason he can’t complete a pass…

  32. By myviewbyhv on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    It might sound crazy, but I think AZ should make a move for Alex Smith. We’ll release every quarterback except Hoyer. Make Smith starter, Hoyer as a backup and the draft should go like this:
    RD 1. Te’o/ Joeckel OR trade back and get Barret Jones/ Chance Warmack
    RD. 2 Eddy Lacy or Giovanni Bernard
    RD. 3 QUARTERBACK to develop under Smith. I like Tyler Bray, EJ Manuel or Aaron Murray
    After RD 3, draft best player available. I would like CB, SS, TE, and depth for the O-Line.
    Release or Trade Beanie Wells, he is unreliable. Give Ryan Williams one more year.

  33. By Rick on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Sarah, I appreciate the response. I agree. I wish Skelton would have been developed before starting him. I believe that is what he was drafted for originally, to mentor behind a proven, experienced quarterback, but the QB situation thrust him in the starting role too soon. I was instantly impressed with him his first preseason game as a Cardinal. I’m glad to hear that other teams are interested and will follow his career.

  34. By Lori on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    Darren, It’s apparent that Whiz does not want to play Skelton anymore, but is there any insight of the reasoning of making him inactive?

  35. By jocards on Dec 27, 2012 | Reply

    I’ve been contemplating in which direction the organization should go if they do indeed decide to relieve Whisenhunt of his duties and bring in a new coach. In my opinion our choices would be limited; this is not Dallas or New York. It is Arizona and under the ownership of the Bidwills this organization has floundered consistently since the days of leather helmets. High profile guys like Sean Payton are not going to take the job. Guys with nice, cushy media paychecks like John Gruden, Bill Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Tony Dungy, etc. certainly don’t need a gig like this one….Andy Reid will certainly get a better offer that is more conducive to winning. The organization has no leadership, no foundation from which to build and sustain success. I don’t want to beat a dead horse but when a guy that is supposed to be a leader flat out refuses to carry out an on field directive from the head coach and physically confronts teammates on the field about that directive and is allowed to play the very next week it sends a very clear message that the front office and management does not support their head coach in any way. Does that strike you as the sort of situation that a head coaching candidate would want to get into if they had other options? Not likely, winning organizations are not run like that and directives from the coach no matter if a player agrees with the strategy or not are to be carried out. Players simply can’t be allowed to decide for themselves what they do and do not want to do. This team is a mess, it is a circus and it all starts at the very top. We’ll need to offer the job to a very low profile guy without other coaching options and hope he is confident enough or naïve enough to believe he can enact meaningful change…..colossal change in the way the organization conducts its business from the top all the way down to the field. Major challenge finding the right guy for this job, major challenge.

  36. By David on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    I’m sorry, but Sarah is a joke. Pure speculation, wishful thinking really, re: her favorite player. It’s really sad how she’s diluted herself into fabricating stories about interest in Skelton. Will Skelton be in someone’s camp next year? Sure. Will he make the final roster? No. Are the Maras invested in Skelton’s success at the pro level? NO. Are the Texans willing to suffer tampering sanctions to float an offer to Skelton, still under contract, when they have a solid starter and one of the league’s best backups already on their roster? You can answer that one yourself. Skelton will be entering his fourth NFL season. He’s no longer seen as a young developmental QB, but now as a veteran. And with his skill set, he’ll wash out of the league sooner than later.

  37. By Darren Urban on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Lori —

    RE: QBs

    Whiz only likes to have two QBs active. Last week, he wanted the option of going to Hoyer.

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