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Friday before the Niners

Posted by Darren Urban on December 28, 2012 – 4:08 pm

Next week, Ray Horton figures to get at least one if not several inquiries to interview for vacant head coaching jobs. He already had one last year – with the Rams – and as a minority candidate whose unit has played very good football this season, Horton figures to attract interest.

Horton didn’t want to necessarily go there today, his final day of meeting the media this season.

“I would say today I’m just trying to be the best D-coordinator in the league and I didn’t do it (this season),” Horton said. “We didn’t accomplish our goals. The rest of that stuff usually takes care of itself and usually teams that win more are rewarded that well.”

That said, when asked when he would know if he was ready for a head coaching job, Horton acknowledged, “A couple years ago – (although) you never know until you get there.”

Horton’s interview with the Rams reportedly went well and he had no reason to think he wouldn’t duplicate the feat. “I think if you are confident in what you do, every interview would be good,” he said. “I feel I’m prepared, smart, knowledgeable, humble and whatever goes with whatever that entails.”

None of that means Horton won’t be defensive coordinator in Arizona next year. A lot will happen across the league over the next few weeks. There is a lot of unknown about the Cards themselves. Horton said he isn’t thinking about that.

“All I know is I am going to San Francisco in the morning and I’m not going there to get any sourdough bread,” Horton said. “I’m going there to play a football game.”

– With left tackle Nate Potter upgraded to limited Friday and listed as questionable to play, we’ll see who gets the call at the spot – him or D’Anthony Batiste. You wonder how much the 49ers will work to get Aldon Smith the three sacks he needs to tie the NFL record in that stat, and you wonder if Brian Hoyer – who looks pretty aware in the pocket – can make a difference with his decision-making.

– It does help that the 49ers will be without DT Justin Smith, however.

– Horton said he thought the 49ers have changed their playcalling after installing Colin Kaepernick as starting quarterback in place of Alex Smith.

“You don’t see as many shifts, as many extra linemen in the game,” Horton said. “(Kaepernick) adds an element to run the ball. It will be an interesting experiment to see what they think after the season is over.”

– In case you missed it, here’s the list of 2013 opponents for the Cards, home and away.

– Heading into the league’s final weekend, the Cardinals currently have the ninth pick in the first round of the draft. Given the matchups in the final game – and given the Cards’ fairly strong strength of schedule – it’s going to be difficult to move much higher if the team loses to the 49ers (a win would drop them mid-first-round. About 15 or 16, I would guess). There might be a chance to move to No. 7, realistically.

– Veteran defensive end Vonnie Holliday – who could be playing in his final NFL game Sunday as he contemplates retirement once again – has high hopes for a lot of the younger defenders on the Cardinals and what they can become.

One of those guys is nose tackle Dan Williams, about whom Holliday is bullish about his future.

“He can be one of the best nose guards in this league,” Holliday said. “Because of his athleticism, because of his size and strength. And now he’s become a student of the game.”

– For this week’s episode of “Season In Focus” (airing Saturday at 7 a.m. on ABC-15), there will be Adrian Wilson Wired, the best of Cardinals Chronicles for 2012, the best moments of the season at University of Phoenix Stadium, and a spotlight on record-breaking punter Dave Zastudil.

– I will admit I hope Daryl Washington can get his 10th sack.

– The Cardinals had all kinds of problems tackling the 49ers the last time they met, one of the reasons Smith’s 18-for-19 passing day turned so effective (232 yards, three touchdowns). Can’t have that happen again.

– The 49ers have a lot on the line. We’ll see if the Cardinals can mess with that at all.

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45 Responses to “Friday before the Niners”

  1. By Christo on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    3 more sleeps until Black Monday!!

    Then this disaster is over and new day will be born for us Faithful Few.

  2. By Kurt on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    It’s very hard to imagine Ray Horton being seriously considered for a head coaching job. His desire to remain off of the sideline during the games will not translate to head coaching. Horton should consider moving to the sidelines in 2013 as DC then he will have a chance to fulfill his dreams.
    When was the last time he looked a player in the eye during a NFL Football game?
    I honestly believe it hurts the team that he has been absent from the field/sidelines.

  3. By canadian redbird on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    Black Monday:

    I agree with Christo, that Black Monday should see a total house cleaning of offensive coaches plus Graves. For those that are passionate Whiz supporters, don’t feel too sorry for the guy, he’s getting a cool 5.5 mill to watch from the sidelines. As well don’t be surprised if both Whiz and Grimm don’t catch on with another team in 2013. As mentioned before, a great player ( ie. Grimm ) doesn’t translate into being a great coach. Just ask Wayne Gretsky.

    The only media out there that sees things for what they truly are is Burns and Gambo over at KTAR. You should take the time to listen to a few of their podcasts. Wolf & his partner are tied at the hip with Whiz.

    Hope to see a spirited game by the Cards this Sunday.

  4. By sarah on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    This will be Whiz’s last game as a head coach in Arizona. I completely agree with Dan Bickley’s piece. Whiz now reminds me of George Bush justifying the invasion of Iraq, as humans we are given a sense when something is not adding up and Whiz’s press conferences are smoke and mirrors. Whiz will rise elsewhere and he will shine, unfortunately he has lost the confidence of fans, players and our view of his overall personal integrity which was his strong point. He got mean in the end for struggles that were foreseeable, it goes back to Anderson and seconded with the running game. Building rookie QB’s takes time as Alex Smith has shown in SF, defences catchup with athletic QB’s like Vick etc so it will take a monumental move to change at the key position. We need better receivers ( taller ), better backs and line.

    It is too bad Smith is not playing for SF, that would show our line just where they are at.

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/20121227arizona-cardinals-coach-ken-whisenhunts-road-has-hit-barricade-time-new-driver.html?nclick_check=1

  5. By Chuck 1 on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply

    This is going to be another AXXX kicking, similar to the Seahawks game.
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that is detached from reality.

  6. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    2013 can’t get here fast enough. Whiz, do us all a favor and quit. I keep hear how good a coach you are but can’t judge talent. BS. Average coach with an even weaker staff. No one on this team is getting coached up. Same crap every year. Same results. You are what your record says you are. And we are not very good and have not been very good for a long time. If Cardinal fans really want a winner, we have to get a coach that knows how to win. And before anyone goes back to the Superbowl year or the one year we have some success. Just remember we had Kurt Warner. He made Whiz. What has Whiz done since Warner’s departure. Uhm, not a damn thing. Please get rid of this fake. Nice guy, just doesn’t know how to win. Translation: misery for the fans, year in and year out. Stop the madness. Please just quit.

  7. By Eazy E on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Hey darren, hopefully he’ll be our hc in 2013 or at least the frontrunner for it after the season sunday.

  8. By JohnfromOz on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Black Monday?
    All being fair in this world it will be the day the Cardinals finally see the light and get themselves a new coach.

  9. By GMAN on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Kurt makes a good point!

  10. By carlo milan italy on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    -Kurt
    i hope also our offensive coordiantor could go upstairs,maybe the view from the box could help him to call better plays

  11. By LUKE on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    well i honestly hope we keep whiz and horton.

  12. By clssylssy on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    For all the talk that has been given about Horton becoming a Head Coach, I think is would be sad to lose such an outstanding defensive mind and vital part of the Card infrastructure, although I can certainly understand why teams would find him attractive. The fact is there is not a lot ofgood Head Coach talent out there and being a HC is a lot different than having your total focus and energy devoted on specialized area. The NFL is also an entirely different world than college football and historically most good college coaches haven’t been big successes in the NFL and usually return to coaching college football. Good Coordinators don’t necessarily mean they will translate their expertise to being good Head Coaches. I think Todd Haley found this out rather quickly when he made the leap, a little prematurely, from OC in Arizona to HC for the Kansas City Chiefs. The Head Coach has to be too much of a politician and the job is not as glamorous as it’s painted to be, and takes years to be effective under the very best conditions. I am a huge Haley fan and am very well acquainted with the Chiefs Organization, and while I can see what Haley would have find seductive with the Chiefs also know their politics and history of going through good coaches like Kleenex including such greats as Dick Vermeil,John Machovic, Marty Shottenheimer…Haley didn’t have the temperament for the game playing and politics, he just was devoted to his players and winning; I see Horton as being the same way and not the administrator the Head Coach is required to be.
    The Cards have a great deal of talent and, on occasion, we have seen those incredible plays, the fantastic interceptions and goal-line stands, that spoil us all for wanting more. Coach has consistently been criticized for his belief in our players, credited their hard work and desire to win, and has never spoken out against the Ownership for not providing the financial resources to buy new players when ours were injured. I believe the players respect him for this; he has born the brunt because that is the job description.He has been the best coach the Cardinals have ever had and it will be a very “Black Monday” for the team if the Ownership makes an emotional decision to fire Coach Whisenhunt based on circumstances beyond coaches control and the whinnings of the armchair contingency. As we go into San Francisco for our final game, I still have faith in my players and coaches and BELIEVE we can take the 9ers if we have the heart and play with the brillance we have shown flashes of. GO CARDS! GROUND AND POUND THOSE 9ers and to heck with the draft order! FLY HIGH!

  13. By ross on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    Happy new year bud!

  14. By Andy Kw on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    We need many of our assistant coaches to go such as WR Frank Reich, DL Ron Aiken, RB Tommie Robinson, OC Mike Miller.
    -This team should hire Cam Cameron or Norv Turner as an Offensive coordinator and demote John McNulty back to Wide Receivers Coach. This team should also hire Juan Castillo as our DL coach if he accepts. And for Running Backs coach, anyone would be an improvement. Ken Whisenhunt knows what he is doing so I hope he doesn’t get fired. Ray Horton has been the center piece of our defense so I hope he doesn’t take a Head Coaching job elsewhere.

    -Players that should go: QB Ryan Lindley, WR Early Doucet, RB Alfonso Smith, TE Jim Dray, OT D’Anthony Batiste, C Mike Gibson, DE Vonnie Holliday, DE Ronald Talley, LB Stewart Bradley, LB Zack Nash, TE Kory Sperry, WR Kerry Taylor, C Scott Wedige, and all players from injury reserve should go with the exception of K. Kolb, L. Brown, and R.Williams.

    I hope this team drafts a QB in the first or second round:
    1.) QB 2.) LB 3.) RB 4.) DT 5.) WR 6.) DB 7.) OT (extra picks RB and DB)

  15. By Scuba steve on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Comparing whiz to George bushs invasion of Iraq is one of THE most rediculous things I’ve read on this site. Saying that I don’t think everything that had happened this season is Whizs fault. Give whiz a new OC and GM and I think he takes us back to the playoffs

  16. By Chuck 1 on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Sarah,

    Keep the politics out of this blog.
    There are plenty of things that we could write about the last four years.

  17. By Chuck 1 on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    One of the biggest problems of the Cards is the inability of Graves, Keim and Whiz to evaluate talent e.g. QB decisions.
    Until that is corrected, it will be the same ole same ole.
    Ergo, the one who is making the personnel decisions will have to go.
    However, I don’t believe that Michael will fire any of the three. He might force Whiz to change his staff.

  18. By Scott H on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    I agree with those who feel that Horton is probably NOT going to be heavily sought-after and will most likely remain here. he has only been a D-coordinator for 2 years and the Cardinals were not a winning team during either. Last year, the D came on strong in the 2nd half but made NO noise at all before that. This year, the team started on a tear and that was bringing a lot of attention to the D. Then, well, I think we all know what happened. WAAAY too many losses after a 4-0 start. Teams that lose 11 of their last 12 games are NOT where other teams are gonna be looking to fill HC vacancies. And, hey, if you want Horton to stay…then, that works in your favor. I think he stays and I’m happy about that.

    But I do NOT see him as ready to move into a HC position right now. Not here, not anywhere.

    Andy Kw -

    Nice to see someone else thinking Norv Turner as our next OC. The fact that we are likely to have a new HC means we are likely to have a lot of new asst coaches as well. BUT I actually think Norv Turner is such a great OC, that I think he should be hired FIRST and should be part of the deal for whoever is going to come in as HC. I know it’s not usually done that way, but…Turner is an absolute TOP TIER offensive coordinator and ranks higher at that position than anyone who’s gonna come here as HC ranks at that position. Not sure if that even made sense, but hopefully people get what I’m saying.

  19. By cobra on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Reid, hell no!

    Go ASU!

  20. By sarah on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Scuba Steve,

    Do you own a Kona Lanai ? There is a Scuba Steve commenting on that site as well !

    PS) It is a fair comparison, one large sociopath and another that has made a mockery of the QB situation and to some extent play calling. When you hear Whiz speak he is manufacturing what he wants us to believe. Others opinions seem to escape you that contradict your almighty final say. Whiz is gone one way or another, he has lost the confidence of his players.

  21. By Dre on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Darren wish you the best in the new year good job all year long. Well I think we know whats going to happen on monday. Bitter sweet Kenny has done more in his time here than anyone else. I think it over for him . I hope we get a good Hc maybe Horton but we have to get the best oc out there maybe tuner he does great with the qb. He has won a lot games as oc . As for graves he’s got to go his time has run out. You cant fire three hc and still be here. Let’s see what’s out there or see if Steve k has what it takes to take us to the next level. I hope Andy reed will take the job and Horton stays put. Kolb knows his system .

  22. By Madriffs on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    I’m ready for post-season already. Cards should trade up in the first round using Dockett as trade bait while he is still prime. Dan Williams can fill that spot. Draft Tackle Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and fix that O-Line. Andy Reid would fit nicely in the HC spot provided the Cards move on from Whiz. Hopefully keep Horton right where he is. We will see…Hope they beat the ‘Niners tho :D

  23. By Cactus Jeff on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    By sarah on Dec 28, 2012 | Reply
    This will be Whiz’s last game as a head coach in Arizona. I completely agree with Dan Bickley’s piece. Whiz now reminds me of Obama justifying the taxing of rich people for an additional 70 billion in revenue to offset a budget deficit of 1200 billion with possible spending cuts that occur several years later, as humans we are given a sense when something is not adding up and Whiz’s press conferences are smoke and mirrors. Whiz will rise elsewhere and he will shine, unfortunately he has lost the confidence of fans, players and our view of his overall personal integrity which was his strong point.

    There that looks much better.

  24. By Dynosoar on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Reaplacing the Head Coach vs. building a Dynasty. Hmmm.

    OK, so we’re losing and the natural reaction to losing is to replace the head coach. It happens every season in the NFL. I understand this.

    I’d like to offer a different perspective.

    Several years ago our defense was the worst in the league, now we’re among the best. Because of Ray Horton and who is it that had the vision to bring Ray Horton here? He was not available for a few years, but as soon as he was available, Coach Whizenhunt went after him.

    We here a lot about the QB since Warner left. I must admit I’m still scratching my head about Anderson, but I too felt Kevin Kolb was the best QB available when we signed him, so did Larry Fitzgerald. I think Larry can judge talent. Coach Whizenhunt also aggressively pursued Peyton Manning and it was a wild ride for a month or so.

    I used to here complaints about lack of production from the TE position (we didn’t have a Gronkowski after all), that’s been drastically improved.

    The running game, if Beanie and Williams had remained healthy, we would have had a much better running game. Alex Gore level running game, I can’t say, but it would have been better.

    There are two approaches to any situation, change everything and go for it all right now. The other is to shore up weaknesses slowly and deliberately.

    Coach Whizenhunt is an engineer and I can tell you from years of experience with engineers, they always have a plan and it’s always long term. Engineers rarely get things changed in a day, it’s always over time.

    The important thing to remember, they do get things changed. And if they’re good at their trade, it’s always an improvement.

    Putting players and coaches in place over time doesn’t just build a championship team in a day that is here now and gone tomorrow (’87 Bears, we saw them for one Super Bowl.). No, we see a Dynasty like the Patriots or the Steelers (ughh) or the Packers or now, looking like the 49ers.

    I believe that given another year of FA and a draft, the few pieces we need will be addressed and then if one or two players or coaches leave each year, they can be replaced without adverse affects.

    I don’t know if Coach Whizenhunt will be here another year or another decade, I hope he’s here for another year at least so we can see the effectiveness of his overall, long term plan. Maybe it won’t be a good plan, but given how he addressed the Defense over the last few years, I believe his plan will work.

    A dynasty is never built in a day and if what I see is what Coach Whizenhunt is actually building, it’s a Dynasty and that means winning for a decade or more and not just this season or the next.

    Well, that’s my perspective. As well as understanding that injuries have clearly ravaged this team. And a head coach can’t control injuries on the field, at least I don’t think he can.

  25. By Chuck 1 on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,

    I’m surprised that you didn’t edit out Sarah’s political comment.
    As I recall, you asked, a couple of months ago, for posters to NOT use your blog to make political statements.

  26. By cobra on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    This is all BS:

    Why pay Whiz 5.5 mil. to trade him out for Reid? Start over, really? Use the money for FA. Kolb will restructure. Horton will stay one more year, then, it’s up for grabs. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines. Jr. Bidwill will, well, hoping, will step up. Whiz needs to swallow his pride and tell each and every person, YOU HAVE DONE MORE THAN EXPECTED OF YOU IN THIS SEASON WE HAVE ENDURED.

  27. By john the draft guy on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Dynosoar,

    I get what you are saying. But some of the moves have been made to win now. Not drafting a QB, not drafting OLineman and hoping backups and castoffs can get the job done, doesnt tell me he is building for the future.

    To be fair, he has put together some pretty good wrs to go with Fitz, he drafted Housler, who I think is a budding star, he also drafted some very good defensive players, like DWash, PP, Campbell, Acho, and Williams. Finally, he did draft this year a couple of OTs who look like guys you can build around.

    But if Whiz is fired, it will be because he tried to find a QB that could win now and it backfired on him. I think if he survives Monday, he really needs to find a rookie QB.

    Can I see him staying and building this team into a good team? Sure. But honestly, he might have blew it at QB so bad, it might have ended his time here.

    BTW, I saw on the last blog everyone talking about the draft and QBs. I have got some new information and may be changing my opinion, but I’ll touch on that after we find out if we have to find a new coach on monday.

  28. By SeeingRed on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    Cactus Jeff-

    I don’t nor do I think the majority of us posting or reading this blog care to hear your opinion about the Prez’s tax plans or any other political analogy that u think of. We have a debacle right here in Zona to discuss without u opining on the happenings (or not happening) in DC. Save those things for some place else.

    With that being said I hope we keep Whiz for another year and hopefully we can hold on to Horton. Of course, other significant changes need to made-what those will be is anyone’s guess.

  29. By jocards on Dec 29, 2012 | Reply

    It seems most folks want to clean house, fire Whisenhunt and all the offensive coaches and start again. I’m not saying that is necessarily a bad idea and I’ve seen some good coaches mentioned….Norv Turner for instance is a good offensive coach and is known as a sort of QB guru, same with Cam Cameron…Does anybody really think they’d choose to come be an offensive coordinator in Arizona with their “QB issues” and work for the Bidwills being as they’ll likely have other options? The same question applies to head coaching candidates. Why come and work for an organization that has no leadership from the top, has a long and nearly unwavering history of failure under the current ownership and has “leaders” on the field that are allowed to decide for themselves what instruction they’ll listen to and what they’ll disregard and have no qualms or regrets about exercising that option? This sort of situation is hardly a recipe for success. In my opinion Arizona would be tough sell for any coaching candidate that has other options. Uhhh, the winters are mild? If you were a coach in search of a job and were approached by say Arizona and Philadelphia how long would take you to pack up and move to Pennsylvania?

  30. By louis on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    So-called cardinals fans should stop complaining about the coaching staff and start complaining about the ownership of the cardinals. Start by firing the g.m. and start bidding for new ownership. Until we have a new ownership, the cardinals will never have a winning season. It doesn’t matter which coach we have, it will be the same every year. Wake up people and face reality.

  31. By Rio on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Scuba Steve. you are spending too much time in the Sun. Maybe you got the bends when you came up to fast from that last Scuba dive.

  32. By chad on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Darren,
    Do you have any info on, Steve Keim’s opinion on Wiz? Does he like him as the Head coach?
    Also
    Is he (Steve Keim) more of a Defensive guy or an Offensive guy?

  33. By Nick Pepe on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    @Kurt- Seriously? Horton “hurt” this team? This is arguably the best defense this franchise ever had. Ridiculous comment.

    @Clssy- well said …. Nothing would be better than taking down the Niners today!!!

    @Dyno- nice to know someone else sees the big picture. It was a rough year, with a lot of tough breaks on the injury front. Just a few pieces away however….is Kolb the future?????

    @Everyone- Happy New Year. May 2013 be the best year yet! Celebrate safely please don’t drink and drive.

    Lets go Cards, end the miserable season on a positive! Out a hurtin on those bastards

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Memer

  34. By clssylssy on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Excellent post Dynosar! Probably one of the more intelligent analysis I’ve read on this site lately from fans. @ Sarah…Guess your mama didn’t tell you that it is grossly inappropriate to drag national politic into this thread, as it would be to drag religion or other personal views. It makes you sound like a troll trying to stir things up. If that’s the case, you might try Twitter, you’ll probably get someone to bite over there:)

  35. By Scott H on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    I’m guessing there are 60 minutes of football left in the Ken Whisenhunt era. And I’m also guessing that the 49ers are gonna see to it that those last 60 minutes are not gonna be very pleasant…

    I cannot remember enjoying a football season LESS than this one. And as a fan of THIS team??? Well, there certainly have been a lot of lousy seasons to provide plenty of competition.

    Let’s just get this misery over with and HOPE this organization can make some wise moves in the months ahead.

  36. By Darren Urban on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Chuck 1 –

    RE: Comment

    I probably should of, had I noticed. Sometimes I’m am quickly scanning for foul language and that’s it.

  37. By Darren Urban on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Chad –

    RE: Keim

    I have not had that discussion. As for Keim’s background, he was a lineman in college but I’ve never gotten the sense he was more of an “offensive” or “defensive” guy.

  38. By Chusk 1 on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    clssylssy,

    Thanks for your post.
    At least, Cactus Jeff and I can’t be accused of sexism when we ask Sarah to not post political comments on this blog.

  39. By D on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    Keim will be promoted, Whiz is safe. Darren, would AZ block Jacksville from taking Licht or since its a promotion to a GM spot, would let him leave….

  40. By Patrick on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    I heard Klein replaces graves and he likes whisenhunt. If whiz does stay, would he want to coach next year without a new contract?

  41. By Darren Urban on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    D –

    RE: Licht

    I don’t know if they could block him.

  42. By Dynosoar on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    john the draft guy, Nick Pepe and clssylssy,

    thanks for reading my short post, should’ve seen the unedited one (HaHa).

    john, I’m looking forward to your adjusted assessments.

    clssylssy, more inteligent posts, rumors I tell you, but thanks.

    Nick, as always a pleasure.

  43. By Dynosoar on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    SeeingRed ,

    if you’d noticed, Cactus Jeff’s comments were a response to Sarah’s commentary on an article by Dan Bickley comparing our Coach to President Bush.

    I have to say I feel Coach Whizenhunt has done a better job with our team than either of the two Presidents refered to have done for our country. But I’m not here to discuss politics, rather football.

    As to Cactus Jeff’s comments, I laughed at the last line especially. I read it as good natured fun between two friends who have differing oppinions while sharing the same passion (political difference, I differ than both apparently, Cardinals passion, were on the same page.)

    Sarah, I hope you enjoyed Cactus Jeff’s litterary response and laughed as I did.

    To all, I appreciate Darren’s work to keep politics out, they creep in from time to time and as long as we all realize were friends then differences can be a strength. In fact, there are times when someone differs 179° from me (we’re Cardinals fans so we can never be completely opposite) and because I’ve read there posts a hundred times or more over the years, I have to ask myself if my differeing friend is right and I’m wrong and I look at their comments, research and sometimes modify my views (a recent comment regarding my assessment of Charlie Batch being the most recent such event.)

    Friends can disagree, but friends can never offend.

    I hope this comes across as intended, I don’t feel I’m calling anyone out, please don’t take this as such. I feel to say I enjoy all the comments here. We’re all Cardinals fans (even the occasional Cowboy fan is really a Cardinals fan, they’ve just been blinded over the years and hopefully will come around,) We’re all passionate about this team. We all want what the coaches and players want, more wins than losses (ok, so we want 19 wins every season.)

    Let us disagree as to who should start, coach, be drafted, QB whatever. Let us always remember we share the same passion for our team, the Cardinals.

    Again, should’ve seen the longer post (HaHa.)

    Sarah, I’d love to see a rewrite of Cactus Jeff’s post, I enjoy a good laugh.

    On the count of three let’s say it together.

    One…Two…Three

    Go Cards! and beat those Niners!

  44. By johnnybluenose on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    thankfully this miserable season is almost over and hopefully we will very soon know what changes are in store for the upcoming season. i don’t care for whiz as head coach but i expect him to be given the opportunity to coach one more year. hopefully he will balk at not receiving an extension and he will leave of his own accord. some have suggested that kolb will have to re-structure his contract to stay here. but, why would he? he is in the driver’s seat here unless someone like alex smith is signed as a free agent. if we let kolb go and don’t sign a credible free agent quarterback then we are left with lindley and hoyer (skelton is already history). that’s not acceptable. so why would kolb take less money? if he does, he needs a new agent. and, one more thing before i go away until september. i think russ grimm has been the target of more negative comments than anyone. from afar, i think he has done a good job and the offensive line has shown improvement and just maybe there is a glimmer of hope there for next year. i hope grimm survives the changes that are coming. happy new year everyone. hope to read you in september.

  45. By jocards on Dec 30, 2012 | Reply

    I really do not recall watching an offense as completely ineffective as this one. You just have no chance without a solid QB. Understand I am not excusing the coaching staff; play calling, drafting, personnel decisions or anything else….All I am saying is that our QB situation is absolutely absurd with Kolb out. No matter what you think of Kevin Kolb he is at least a viable NFL QB. Skelton, Lindley and Hoyer are just not NFL level performers. No matter who is the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals in 2013 the QB situation must change drastically or this team will be bad once again. I completely disagree with those that believe this team is only a couple of pieces away from being winners, this is a bad football team in my estimation but without better play under center it is a terrible football team.

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