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Gruden visits, so time to catch up on coach talk

Posted by Darren Urban on January 10, 2013 – 5:15 pm

If you put your head down for a moment and just listened, you can definitely hear the Jon Gruden in Jay Gruden’s voice. That’s natural since they are brothers, but kind of funny since everyone is so familiar with Jon’s voice because of “Monday Night Football.”

(The similar-voice-with-brothers can be fun, though. My brother and I have gotten my Mom and my wife on it a couple of times over the phone.)

Jon also helped Jay a bit with his first-ever coaching interview Thursday. “Jon’s always got his two cents to add,” Jay Gruden said. “He can talk with the best of them. He’s been around the block a few times.”

Whether Jay Gruden actually will make a push to be head coach is anyone’s guess. The Cards have played this pretty close to the vest, even as they announce who they are talking to. It’s an impressive walk of the tightrope. Next week will be interesting, depending on how the Broncos — and offensive coordinator Mike McCoy — do. If they lose, something would go down next week you’d figure. Barring more interviews, you’d think the process would move forward with all candidates available. If they win, something could still happen next week, just not with McCoy, who is off-limits until his team is out.

But there is no puff of white smoke yet from 8701 S. Hardy.

You know, if the building had a chimney.

– XTRA’s Mike Jurecki is reporting that Ray Horton has reached out to Norv Turner to gauge interest in Turner taking the offensive coordinator job if Horton were to get the head coaching job. Not that Turner has said yes, but it’s interesting if true. I mentioned that possibility last week.

– I have seen the report that former Eagles offensive line coach (and DC, but in this case, it’d probably be line related) Juan Castillo would interview with the Cards. That has not been confirmed. I would think a head coach would be in place before more assistants would be hired, but Castillo’s reputation as a line coach is a good one.

– The Browns reportedly brought Ken Whisenhunt in for a second interview for their head coaching job. Horton was interviewed by the Browns (but just once thus far). The Browns have a lot of candidates they have talked to thus far. It doesn’t seem like Horton — who also interviewed for the now-filled Bills job — is in the mix.

UPDATE: It turns out the Browns hired Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski as head coach. And other reports have Chudzinski pursuing/hiring Norv Turner as OC, which if it happened would obviously mean Horton couldn’t get him.


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56 Responses to “Gruden visits, so time to catch up on coach talk”

  1. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Would seem like the Cards and a few other teams are all waiting/hoping for McCoy, and the individuals who have already been interviewed are all bridesmaids. I hope the Cards have a plan to execute immediately if McCoy chooses another team.

  2. By tom on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    is it just me or is it a little odd they let gruden meet the media…. darren do you think this is a sign or just the team trying to be show the fans the candidates? seems odd i dont remember this before maybe im wrong

  3. By Jeremy on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,

    Any word on Lovie Smith and AZ? Reports said he was interested, but are the cards interested in him or not? Thanks.

  4. By fightingbird on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Why does Ray Horton want to lrave Arizona so bad .It seems like ever since he got to Arizona hes wanted to leave. I understand he wants a head coaching job but is he really ready for that I mean hes only helped the cards with the defense but look at the players he was given to work with I probably could have made it it with that group. No disrespect to Ray but come on man stay the D coach for a while set you name in stone as an elite Def.coach with a elite defense then team owners will recognize but wish you would be at home in Arizona,

  5. By georgiebird on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,
    Has Rod Graves name been mentioned in any of the GM talk ?
    If Graves has not been contacted by the many teams looking for a GM, it is a huge hit against the Bidwills for keeping him around so long.
    My gut says that if Rod is not employed, the Bidwills will give him a job in the organization maybe in PR- he is a very personable guy and the Bidwills like him.

  6. By jocards on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    I wish the best of luck to coach Whisenhunt, I hope he gets the Browns job.

    Darren –

    Is there anything definitive about Haley? Is he set to interview for the Cards job or do we know for certain?

  7. By alan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Lets get this done..Sign Horton for head coach and get Turner and Castillo and lets start moving forward to a more successful season next season

  8. By donttakelosses on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Why hasn’t someone asked the Cardinals if they’ve interviewed Haley?

  9. By vegas4u2012. on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    like i said before.Kiem.(Done Deal)-Horton.(Already knows & has the respect of most of this organization)as HC.Butler,if he makes himself available,(Already knows rays defensive mindset.) as HC.As OC.-Whoever the decision makers decide is the best fit (Turner,Gailey,Etc.)As for Whiz.Good luck to you w/Browns,or wherever, you & Your family go?Maybe it will be a better fit for you.

  10. By clssylssy on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Looks like things are getting serious and Horton is feeling the competition if he’s playing his Norv Turner card which makes me fear that the ownership is about to step in it and alienate our DC. You gotta hand it to Gruden for doing his homework and saying all the right things he knows Mr. B wants to hear about “fixing” the QB we have rather than going out and getting a new one….Arg! Again, how is “retooling” our offense rather than rebuilding going to get this team to the playoffs especially if our defense is sacrificed?

  11. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Tom —

    RE: meeting media

    They did it in 2007 too. We met with Sherman, Whisenhunt, Grimm (who if you remember was interviewed for the HC spot) and Chow. If they came to the facility, we talked to them.

  12. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Jeremy —

    RE: Lovie

    No, they aren’t talking to him.

  13. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Fighting —

    RE: Horton

    I have no earthly idea what point you are trying to make. So if he wants to be a head coach — and he’s been an assistant coach for 20 years — he shouldn’t?

  14. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: Graves

    So every GM let go that hasn’t gotten an interview within two weeks was a mistake by the previous regime? That includes AJ Smith, Pioli, Tannebaum. That’s a totally unfair leap of logic.

  15. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Jocards —

    RE: Haley

    The Cards never did say one way or the other.

  16. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    smoke like a chimney i like that

  17. By Darren Urban on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Donttake —

    RE: Haley question

    I did. Team is not commenting.

  18. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    DARREN

    IMO IT WOULD BE A BLESSING TO GET NORV TURNER IF IM NOT MISTAKEN I THINK COACH MAC TRIED TO GET HIM HERE BACK IN THE DAY BUT FAIL AND WE SETTLED FOR RICH OLSEN

  19. By D.Robles on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,

    I really wasn’t a Coach Whiz fan. I liked him, but I don’t think Coach Whiz had that killer instinct. I know Jon Gruden & you know he has that killer instinct, But I really don’t know much about Jay Gruden. What do you think? Just from listening to him being interviewed by the media, He sounds confident when he speaks. It’s definitely a different feel. Do you think he’s a good fit?

  20. By Nor cal cards fan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply

    Urb- Was Jim Fassel the Cards OC during ’98 playoff run..?

  21. By sarah on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    So why not just hire Jon Gruden ? He has been an OC is a former QB and head coach. Why take chances on unproven OC’s that have not been a head coach in the NFL or anywhere else, wasn’t that Whiz’s downfall ?

    Reality is that the Cards have to manage managerial and decision making risk and trying to hit it out of the park with an OC is quantitative risk, someone with a head coaching career and OC experience equals lower beta. Track records matter, Jon Gruden was replaced by a younger guy in Tampa and no HC experience, it did not work and was daft. That said Jon Gruden ” just liked to date QB’s not marry them ” , whose quote was that ?

  22. By djjackson81 on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    It is clear to me that Arizona is using Horton as there second choice to McCoy and are growing confident that all these other HC jobs are getting filled and Hortons options as HC are lessening so he is still under contract as OC. They have the best chance of waiting on McCoy and if that fails Horton is there safeguard option. I mean if Horton got chose for a HC by another team they loose him. As it is unfolding Hortons interested teams of reported interviews are filled now. So he is locked in as OC till McCoys hiring is done or he gets HC in AZ.

  23. By djjackson81 on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    What really going to hurt the candidates for HC is the Draft got slim in way of Joeckle being only one of the three top tackles they were needing. They need to suck it up and trade up if possible to get Joeckle. First I hope SF isn’t able to trade Smith and simply releases him so the Cards can sign him to heavy money so he’ll choose AZ,then we can cut Kolb and save his 11mil. Cut Beanie Wells and Skelton

  24. By chriswesl on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Please hire ray horton, Mr Bidwill, we need our defense to solidify as well as our offense..

  25. By johnnybluenose on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    haley has been interviewed for our head coaching position yet no one in our organization will either confirm or deny it, despite being asked. how strange is that? and there are reports that turner will be offered the offensive coordinator position in cleveland now that chudzinski has been hired as head coach. it kind of looks like horton is not at the top of our list and will only get the head coaching position by default. like some of the other posters i too am surprised that lovie smith has not been interviewed either here or elsewhere. he did not win a superbowl in chicago but he had success there including this year at 10-6. i guess mister bidwill has a plan and knows who he wants. i just hope the guy he wants also wants us. otherwise we could be missing other strong candidates for a variety of positions as they are hired elsewhere.

  26. By Eric Hutchins on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    The fact that anyone considers Jay Gruden, or Horten, (or Lovie for that matter) an upgrade over Whiz BAFFLES me.

  27. By jeffgollin on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry, I did not hear “Jon’s voice” when listening to Jay’s interview. I didn’t pick up Jon’s evepresent sense of fun or his “Chucky” personna (Maybe it was there and I didn’t hear it, but it didn’t come thru to me).

    Therein may lie a problem – We may all expect Jay to “be Jon” and, because he isn’t, it may work to his disadvantage.

  28. By D on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Norv will work with his son in CLE.

    Jim Fassel should get a call from Horton or Bidwill as the OC to work with Horton.

  29. By eric c on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    I think Jay Gruden would be an excellent choice….hope he gets it.

  30. By Darren Urban on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    D. Robles —

    RE: Jay gruden

    Honestly, I have no idea if he’d be a good fit. Not sure I could glean that from one 10-minute presser.

  31. By Darren Urban on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Nor Cal —

    RE: 1998

    No. That was Marc Trestman.

  32. By david1050 on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    If Arizona could have landed Manning at quarterback, we would be looking at a second round playoff game barring injury. It appears to me that there are a couple of candidates that could make this team go and they have already been interviewed. I don’t expect the Bidwells will be calling me for advice though.

  33. By clssylssy on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Looks like the Norv Turner component is no longer a factor as he has signed with the Browns to be their OC…so much for taking time. It appears the Cards are going to cover their “bases” with the leftovers and are back to shopping the bargain basement! SAME OLE CARDS as we had prior to 2006!

  34. By Bill L on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Chudzinski a good choice by Cleveland……..did a great job with Cam, and actually got DA to the Pro-Bowl. I knock DA, and his choice here, and the coach who chose him. But, DA had some talent and apparently Chud knew how to use it and get the best from him…….that is what a coach SHOULD do. But, not here…….put him behind a horrible O-line then yank him ……..crush him …… destroy him………must have been a thrill……if that is how your mind is twisted.

    Put Peyton, Brady, Johnny U, Joe M, …..anybody …..behind the last O-lines HERE and they would be ok……….AT BEST!!!!. Ever hear anyone in the franchise take responsibility for those lines…….GM?……..HC?…….OWNER?

    SEA has 2 1st round picks starting and a 2nd rounder in Max Unger….2 Pro-Bowlers.

    SF has 3 1st round picks starting…..2 Pro-Bowlers

    We get Bust Brown in 2007…….everybody catches a bust at every position now and then……….but, they don’t just quit and live with it.
    2008….Brandon Keith in 7th round……out of L as far as I know.
    2009….Herman Johnson in the 5th round……out of L as far as I know
    2009….Trevor Canfield in the 7th round…….out of L as far as I know
    2010….NO O-Line picked
    2011….NO O-Line picked
    2012….Massie in the 4th……some hope for him to atleast be 3rd Tackle
    2012….Kelemente in 5th round……never took a snap
    2012….Potter in 7th round……never took a snap.

    WHO Did this…….WHO allowed this…….WHO said this was smart or even OK… WHO is Responsible………the QBs put out behind this farce? ……Are they Responsible…….or, just scape Goats.

    But the BIG QUESTIONS?……is this GROSS neglect Over?…….Does consistently putting out a competitive team become the…. NEW DEMANDED STANDARD?

    Atleast the fans of teams like Cleveland can believe they are actually TRYING…Hiring Holgren was proof of that……it didn’t work as hoped, but keep trying……..SPORTS Team OWNERS……OWE THAT to the fans……that’s what I think………..wonder what Bidwill thinks?………I mean REALLY thinks.

  35. By joe holst on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    bruce arians!!!!! no brainer

  36. By Chuck 1 on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Bill L.,

    Good post, tracing the failure of the Cards’ draft choices.
    And, I have to believe that Keim had his fingerprints on those decisions. Of course, we have no proof of that; however, it would be a coincidence of immense proportions if he didn’t have a major influence on them.
    I have little confidence that the 2013 draft and FA decisions will be any better.

  37. By MeatAZ on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Bill- Potter took over at LT in the 2nd qtr of week 9 and started every game through week 16, missed 17 due to injury. Played fairly well for a 7th round pick. Kelemente started week 17 vs SF and wasnt bad. Massie is going to be a decent starter in this league, he showed continual improvment throughout the season. That being said the team does need to do a better job or drafting O-linemen

  38. By erik on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Umm… Bill and Chuck, good job, except Potter started in the last six or so games and Kelemente played in the last game. Potter actually looked alright, but better than Brown or Massie? I don’t know about that. Snyder is the weakest link if everyone is healthy. We need to draft Warmack first overall.

  39. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    @Chuck 1,

    From the outside looking in it’s impossible to know, but if the organization kept Keim I’d have to believe he isn’t a carbon copy of Graves, and it was Graves & Whisenhunt who had the most influence over our draft. I was happy to hear Keim say that he wants to improve our run game and level of physicality, because that was the biggest disappointment I had with our offense over the past few seasons. Ok, the QB’s we picked didn’t work (at least in Whiz’s system), but a power run game could have covered some of that up. But we continued to put together a finesse style group on the interior. If Keim gets us some old school, punch-you-in the-mouth Guards I’ll be on board with that promotion pretty quick.

  40. By Billy on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Why are we not interviewing Lovie Smith and Bruce Arians. This is a joke coach search. No REAL coach wants to come to the Cards.

  41. By johnnybluenose on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Bill L. kelemente actually caught a pass and looked good doing it. i think we should move him to either tight end or fullback.

  42. By johnnybluenose on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    david 1050….don’t expect the bidwills to call until you at least know the correct spelling of their name.

  43. By Christo on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Darren since no one will hear it from me . . . please explain to the countless posters that if Ray Horton becomes HC than we suddenly need a DC as well!

    Which means Ray needs not only an OC but a DC, he can’t run both. He can influence.

    We know what we have in Horton, a good DC. Why risk losing that side of the ball? Horton has said it himself if you can’t become a HC this year, than you probably aren’t meant to be one. There have been 8 openings, and outside of Arizona I don’t think there is any chance Horton gets the nod.

    So why should we?

  44. By Dan on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    This guy is getting credit for Andy Dalton? I’m tired of Coaches getting credit for a player who actually making the Coach look good. Just hire HORTON for the job. Hire somebody the players would respect. It’s the players not the Coaches.

  45. By Dennis on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t think Horton is going anywhere so there should be no rush to make him the HC. Defensive minded coaches are not being swept up at this time in the NFL.
    I believe also that the Cards may be hoping for McCoy. That’s why they have slowed their search. The Broncos could go all the way to the Super Bowl with Manning, so it could be awhile before he’s available.
    Kiem should start taking notes on who he would like to Draft. There will be a good number of running backs that will come out this year and the Cards need to get a good one. Lacey and Le’veon Bell look to be can’t miss prospects. Take one with the first pick and look for a QB with the next. Take three OL men with the next three picks.Finish with a couple Def. picks.

  46. By Scott H on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Hearing about Horton reaching out to Norv Turner about the possibility of coming here as OC is really about the ONLY thing I’ve heard so far that excites me. Well, and the possibility of Juan Castillo as O-line coach as well. I feel like it is all just sitting right there for the taking and we just keep leaving it out there for someone else. Just like we’re leaving Lovie Smith out there…

    I must say, I find this to be a very interesting situation in that there are SO many coaching vacancies all at once and SO few candidates with any real certainty to them. I swear, it feels like speed dating…where you have a bunch of single people in a room, they pretty much know they HAVE to pick somebody sonner or later, and they’re all just running around the room trying to talk to everyone at least once before they do!

  47. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    @Billy,

    I can’t venture a guess on Arians, but Smith, while appealing, isn’t a very good fit with what we’ve kept in place. He’s a Tony Dungy disciple, a 4-3, cover 2 guy through and through, which is obviously the polar opposite of the 3-4, blitzburgh defense that Horton learned from LeBeau. I can’t see how those two could co-exist philosophically. Plus, once his starting QB went out his team went into a tailspin, which should sound familiar to us Cardinal fans.

    Very accomplished coach, but I don’t see it as a match here. The more I think about it, the more I’m guessing that McCoy is the #1 choice.

  48. By fightingbird on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry Darren I didnt mean to Piss in your corn flakes ,man you need a well deserved break.I didnt know hes been an assistant for 20 years, sorry I was just saying we wish he would stay in AZ thats all, maybe he does deserve a HC job, my bad . I was always told that the dumb question is the one not asked but you proved that saying wrong. thanks for the response.

  49. By Darren Urban on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Fighting —

    RE: Horton

    Sorry if you we’re bothered, but it sure sounded like you were ripping Horton for wanting to be a head coach.

  50. By Mike Ellingboe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    @Sarah,

    Not disagreeing with your thoughts on Jon Gruden, but here’s an interesting stat on head coaches. No head coach, in the history of the league, has coached two different franchises to Super Bowl victories. Probably not the reason we’re not looking at him, but some meaningless info to consider when cheering for our next hire.

  51. By canadian redbird on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Re: Andy Reid

    Just read an article on KTAR.com that explained that Andy Reid wanted no part of Kevin Kolb, prompting him to skip the Arizona interview and subsequently signing on with the Chiefs. This is the same guy that was busy convincing the Cards that Kolb was the savior QB for any suitor and then robbing us of an all star Cornerback and a 2nd round pick. Good riddins he’s in KC ; can’t wait to lay a good ass kickin on the Chiefs the next time the two teams meet.

  52. By Cactus jeff on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply

    Here is the rule. Any player that looks better than Clowney, we fans are valid in saying “that player is going to be great.” Otherwise we are ridiculous passing judgement with limited information. Furthermore, if a player looks like Max Hall we can say “he looks to be a bust” without sounding ridiculous. But any player falling somewhere between the Clowney-Hall eye test rule cannot judged or you will be chastised.

  53. By donttakelosses on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks Darren. Lol. Different dynamics, but a bit like never knowing what Beannie’s injury is.

    Those are fan turn offs. Hard to see the point in hiding the ball, but those are our guys …

  54. By Darren Urban on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply

    dontake —

    RE: Hiding the ball

    In this case, I wouldn’t think it’s coming from the Cards’ side.

  55. By donttakelosses on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply

    Agree, different dynamics.

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