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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John -

OK, some decent points.  But I think my main point still stands, and that is the point that none of what Palmer did last year in Oakland resulted in more wins for the team.  The Raiders have been winning 4-5 games every year WITHOUT Palmer.  So, what good did he really do there???  You say HE produced when asked to throw the ball.  But so what?  What good are any QB&#039;s numbers when the team is 4-12???

Carson Palmer isn&#039;t good enough to overcome a REALLY bad O-line and a non-existent running game.  Doesn&#039;t matter how good our WR&#039;s are if the QB can&#039;t get the ball to them.  You ask what his stats from last year may have meant to this team but I say he would NOT have posted those numbers here.  

Yes, we DID play from behind a lot and none of our QB&#039;s came close to what Palmer did in Oakland.  OK, that is true.  And understand this - I am NOT putting my trust in kolb for exactly the reason you pointed out, which is the injuries.  BUT to be fair, take Kolb&#039;s numbers from the first 4 games and project them out over a whole season.  They are just as good - or better - than Palmer&#039;s.  

An interesting dialogue with points to be made on both sides, to be sure.  But I still see little up-side to Palmer.  We seem to agree that a young QB is needed, probably through the draft, even though there are no sure things there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John -</p>
<p>OK, some decent points.  But I think my main point still stands, and that is the point that none of what Palmer did last year in Oakland resulted in more wins for the team.  The Raiders have been winning 4-5 games every year WITHOUT Palmer.  So, what good did he really do there???  You say HE produced when asked to throw the ball.  But so what?  What good are any QB&#8217;s numbers when the team is 4-12???</p>
<p>Carson Palmer isn&#8217;t good enough to overcome a REALLY bad O-line and a non-existent running game.  Doesn&#8217;t matter how good our WR&#8217;s are if the QB can&#8217;t get the ball to them.  You ask what his stats from last year may have meant to this team but I say he would NOT have posted those numbers here.  </p>
<p>Yes, we DID play from behind a lot and none of our QB&#8217;s came close to what Palmer did in Oakland.  OK, that is true.  And understand this &#8211; I am NOT putting my trust in kolb for exactly the reason you pointed out, which is the injuries.  BUT to be fair, take Kolb&#8217;s numbers from the first 4 games and project them out over a whole season.  They are just as good &#8211; or better &#8211; than Palmer&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>An interesting dialogue with points to be made on both sides, to be sure.  But I still see little up-side to Palmer.  We seem to agree that a young QB is needed, probably through the draft, even though there are no sure things there.</p>
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		<title>By: John The Draft Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John The Draft Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott H,

Oh I sat in the stands watching us march old QBs through this team. So that is a legit statement. The big difference is I would still grab a QB in the draft. 

But let me ask you this, what would 4000 yards and 22 tds from a QB who played all year (15 games) meant to this team last year? 

Looking at Larry, Michael, Andre, and Rob, we are very solid at wr and much better than the Raiders receivers. Carson would produce better stats with this group.

As for playing behind and throwing a lot, didn&#039;t we do that? Yet our stats were bad. Gaudy numbers playing behind? That is a team issue that they were behind. He produced when asked to throw the ball. 

As you pointed out, not a lot of QBs out there. Kolb is a 3 year starter with 3 years of multiple injuries. Even when he is in, he isn&#039;t good. That is who you want to put your trust in?? Then Skelton and Lindley again after the injuries? Clean house, draft a QB and get a proven vet like Palmer to give us a chance till the rookie is ready.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott H,</p>
<p>Oh I sat in the stands watching us march old QBs through this team. So that is a legit statement. The big difference is I would still grab a QB in the draft. </p>
<p>But let me ask you this, what would 4000 yards and 22 tds from a QB who played all year (15 games) meant to this team last year? </p>
<p>Looking at Larry, Michael, Andre, and Rob, we are very solid at wr and much better than the Raiders receivers. Carson would produce better stats with this group.</p>
<p>As for playing behind and throwing a lot, didn&#8217;t we do that? Yet our stats were bad. Gaudy numbers playing behind? That is a team issue that they were behind. He produced when asked to throw the ball. </p>
<p>As you pointed out, not a lot of QBs out there. Kolb is a 3 year starter with 3 years of multiple injuries. Even when he is in, he isn&#8217;t good. That is who you want to put your trust in?? Then Skelton and Lindley again after the injuries? Clean house, draft a QB and get a proven vet like Palmer to give us a chance till the rookie is ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carson Palmer???  Um...see my previous remarks about the lack of  decent QB options available at this time.  Carson Palmer is the poster child for that sentiment right now.  Where are the Cardinals going with Carson Palmer???  We just saw what he was able to do for a bad team.  And, well, guess what?  The Cardinals were pretty much every bit as bad as the Raiders were last year.  So, Carson Palmer goes from one bad team to another and does what, exactly?  What fortunes is he gonna change here that he couldn&#039;t change for the Raiders?

No thanks on Palmer.  We&#039;ve been there and we&#039;ve done that.  I&#039;m much more interested in a young QB with promise that has chance to grow into something.  Not another near the end of the road veteran who&#039;s best days are CLEARLY behind him.

Don&#039;t be enamored with Palmer&#039;s stats from last year.  Again, whatever they were, did they help the TEAM win games?  That would be a big, fat ABSOLUTELY NOT.  Palmer had some gaudy numbers in a few games because the Raiders were so far behind that they had to throw the ball on every friggin play in the 2nd half to try to catch up.  Any Joe Schmo anywhere is gonna have those same numbers when they end up in that situation every week.  

Seriously.  Jeff Blake...Dave Krieg...Boomer Esiason...haven&#039;t we had enough of this???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carson Palmer???  Um&#8230;see my previous remarks about the lack of  decent QB options available at this time.  Carson Palmer is the poster child for that sentiment right now.  Where are the Cardinals going with Carson Palmer???  We just saw what he was able to do for a bad team.  And, well, guess what?  The Cardinals were pretty much every bit as bad as the Raiders were last year.  So, Carson Palmer goes from one bad team to another and does what, exactly?  What fortunes is he gonna change here that he couldn&#8217;t change for the Raiders?</p>
<p>No thanks on Palmer.  We&#8217;ve been there and we&#8217;ve done that.  I&#8217;m much more interested in a young QB with promise that has chance to grow into something.  Not another near the end of the road veteran who&#8217;s best days are CLEARLY behind him.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be enamored with Palmer&#8217;s stats from last year.  Again, whatever they were, did they help the TEAM win games?  That would be a big, fat ABSOLUTELY NOT.  Palmer had some gaudy numbers in a few games because the Raiders were so far behind that they had to throw the ball on every friggin play in the 2nd half to try to catch up.  Any Joe Schmo anywhere is gonna have those same numbers when they end up in that situation every week.  </p>
<p>Seriously.  Jeff Blake&#8230;Dave Krieg&#8230;Boomer Esiason&#8230;haven&#8217;t we had enough of this???</p>
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		<title>By: John The Draft Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John The Draft Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, I am going to throw out a QB name for you.

What if I said we could get a guy who threw for 4000+ yards and 22 TDs. He has a 62.5% career comp %, including last year and throws the ball down field with his big arm? 

Reports are the Raiders are thinking of releasing QB Carson Palmer. Now that is the perfect fit for this team. Sign Carson and draft a guy like Landry Jones to learn behind him. Get rid of the 3 really bad QBs we have.

Oh, BTW, Arians said the cards offensive line is better than the colts line last year. Interesting enough, since Luck was able to throw for 4300+ yards behind a line worse than ours and besides Reggie Wayne, a bunch of guys you didn&#039;t know. So, how can a rookie with less talent around him and a worse O line play so much better than our QBs? 

Seeing Arians interview with Jude Lacava , he sure didn&#039;t think the oline was all that bad and maybe a little more scheming was needed. The more Arians watches cardinal tape, the more he is going to see 3 things; Batiste was really bad. Kolb stares down wrs and gets hit, protection calls at the line were not good. 

I&#039;d be surprised if there is much changes to the Oline.  Get us a QB who can read a defense and gets the ball out of his hands. Nothing is more important for the cards than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I am going to throw out a QB name for you.</p>
<p>What if I said we could get a guy who threw for 4000+ yards and 22 TDs. He has a 62.5% career comp %, including last year and throws the ball down field with his big arm? </p>
<p>Reports are the Raiders are thinking of releasing QB Carson Palmer. Now that is the perfect fit for this team. Sign Carson and draft a guy like Landry Jones to learn behind him. Get rid of the 3 really bad QBs we have.</p>
<p>Oh, BTW, Arians said the cards offensive line is better than the colts line last year. Interesting enough, since Luck was able to throw for 4300+ yards behind a line worse than ours and besides Reggie Wayne, a bunch of guys you didn&#8217;t know. So, how can a rookie with less talent around him and a worse O line play so much better than our QBs? </p>
<p>Seeing Arians interview with Jude Lacava , he sure didn&#8217;t think the oline was all that bad and maybe a little more scheming was needed. The more Arians watches cardinal tape, the more he is going to see 3 things; Batiste was really bad. Kolb stares down wrs and gets hit, protection calls at the line were not good. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be surprised if there is much changes to the Oline.  Get us a QB who can read a defense and gets the ball out of his hands. Nothing is more important for the cards than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[regarding the QB thing....ugh.  There is just NO ONE out there right now who appears to be a clear answer.  I mean, tell me that Kolb will stay healthy for 16 games and I could be OK with that.  Trouble is, we know that is NOT gonna happen.  Beyond that...there is not a name in the discussion that is any more than a question mark.  

Alex Smith would appear to be the best of what is possibly available.  And prior to the arrival of Jim Harbaugh in San Fran, Smith was doing a pretty good imitation of Matt Leinart.  Seemed like they were trying to GIVE him the job every year...and every year, he would give it back.  And he might be the BEST of what is out there right now.  Kinda bleak....

Hate to say it, but this team may have to wait for the next Andrew Luck caliber QB to come along in the draft and do what the redskins did with Griffin, which was give up ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING they needed to to get into position to draft him.  There really is NO OTHER WAY to get a stud QB these days.  They don&#039;t become free agents and they are not likely to be traded.  You want one?  You gotta get one through the draft.  Period.

Or, you could hope to get lucky with a Russell Wilson.  But this team ain&#039;t exactly known for their luck...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding the QB thing&#8230;.ugh.  There is just NO ONE out there right now who appears to be a clear answer.  I mean, tell me that Kolb will stay healthy for 16 games and I could be OK with that.  Trouble is, we know that is NOT gonna happen.  Beyond that&#8230;there is not a name in the discussion that is any more than a question mark.  </p>
<p>Alex Smith would appear to be the best of what is possibly available.  And prior to the arrival of Jim Harbaugh in San Fran, Smith was doing a pretty good imitation of Matt Leinart.  Seemed like they were trying to GIVE him the job every year&#8230;and every year, he would give it back.  And he might be the BEST of what is out there right now.  Kinda bleak&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hate to say it, but this team may have to wait for the next Andrew Luck caliber QB to come along in the draft and do what the redskins did with Griffin, which was give up ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING they needed to to get into position to draft him.  There really is NO OTHER WAY to get a stud QB these days.  They don&#8217;t become free agents and they are not likely to be traded.  You want one?  You gotta get one through the draft.  Period.</p>
<p>Or, you could hope to get lucky with a Russell Wilson.  But this team ain&#8217;t exactly known for their luck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, the irony...here, the Cardinals have hired former Eagles D-coordinator ( Todd Bowles ) to fill the same position here, and some are not really all that psyched about it.  Myself included.

And, now, the Eagles have hired former Cardinals D-coordinator Billy Davis to fill the same position there and Eagle fans are NOT happy, to say the least.  And ya know what?  I don&#039;t blame them.  They have my sympathies.  He was TERRIBLE as a D-coordinator here and I would be beyond pissed off if my team had just hired him.  What is making Eagle fans even MORE pissed off is the fact that the team took such a long time to fill that spot on the coaching staff...and THIS is what they came up with???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the irony&#8230;here, the Cardinals have hired former Eagles D-coordinator ( Todd Bowles ) to fill the same position here, and some are not really all that psyched about it.  Myself included.</p>
<p>And, now, the Eagles have hired former Cardinals D-coordinator Billy Davis to fill the same position there and Eagle fans are NOT happy, to say the least.  And ya know what?  I don&#8217;t blame them.  They have my sympathies.  He was TERRIBLE as a D-coordinator here and I would be beyond pissed off if my team had just hired him.  What is making Eagle fans even MORE pissed off is the fact that the team took such a long time to fill that spot on the coaching staff&#8230;and THIS is what they came up with???</p>
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		<title>By: John The Draft Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John The Draft Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drew Stanton:

You bring him in because he knows the system and can help out other QBs with picking up the playbook. I don&#039;t think he is being brought in to start. 

Shaun Phillips; 

Jurecki has tweeted out Phillips is interested in coming to AZ. When you are a FA, I&#039;m sure you say you are interested in every team that runs your style of defense. But even though he is 32 and on the back side of his career, If the price is right the cards should listen. After all, his 9 1/2 sacks last year would lead our team.
Not a bad idea to bring another vet to a team that might dismiss a couple vets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew Stanton:</p>
<p>You bring him in because he knows the system and can help out other QBs with picking up the playbook. I don&#8217;t think he is being brought in to start. </p>
<p>Shaun Phillips; </p>
<p>Jurecki has tweeted out Phillips is interested in coming to AZ. When you are a FA, I&#8217;m sure you say you are interested in every team that runs your style of defense. But even though he is 32 and on the back side of his career, If the price is right the cards should listen. After all, his 9 1/2 sacks last year would lead our team.<br />
Not a bad idea to bring another vet to a team that might dismiss a couple vets.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonsoroski</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jasonsoroski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Other than system familiarity, I don&#039;t see him as a real asset. I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a nice guy and all, but . . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than system familiarity, I don&#8217;t see him as a real asset. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a nice guy and all, but . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: jasonsoroski</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jasonsoroski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hearing rumors today that the Cards are interested in Drew Stanton,  which kind of scares me.  

His career stats are not that exciting :  5 TD, 9 INT, QBRAT 63.1 4FUM, 2FUM LOST.

Based on stats - Kolb still looks like the better QB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hearing rumors today that the Cards are interested in Drew Stanton,  which kind of scares me.  </p>
<p>His career stats are not that exciting :  5 TD, 9 INT, QBRAT 63.1 4FUM, 2FUM LOST.</p>
<p>Based on stats &#8211; Kolb still looks like the better QB.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/02/08/moore-wants-offense-to-fit-the-players/#comment-110031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its good to see someone in the Organization that thinks tailoring an offense to strengths is a good idea.  I hated watching us force our qbs into situations they were unlikely to succeed at because the coach felt they should be able to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its good to see someone in the Organization that thinks tailoring an offense to strengths is a good idea.  I hated watching us force our qbs into situations they were unlikely to succeed at because the coach felt they should be able to do it.</p>
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