Comments on: Kolb contract an issue, ribs aren’t

By: bluepitt

bluepitt — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 05:29:11 +0000

@cobra,
I think Skelton sucked when he was drafted 3 years ago, and was using Skelton and his Wins as an example with my fitz point,

@Mike,
We all know that a catchable ball to fitz is any that touch his hands, the stats people might call a ball uncatchable, that Fitz usually catches, that is my point when Warner threw a uncatchable ball Fitz would get it 9 out of 10 times, but the same Balls as of the past 2 years he has not caught, If Fitz is the Great WR he was with Warner why not hold him to the same standards? If you dont then he is just a normal WR who needs the ball perfect to catch it!

By: clssylssy

clssylssy — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:09:26 +0000

Kevin S-
I meant nothing personal when I asked that question. It is simply a fact of life that in our country’s current situation even the most generous companies cannot continue to stay in business if they have to keep individuals on the payroll who are unable to function and perform the tasks for which they were hired. Often times companies will make an effort to work with an employee even going so far as to let them work from home but this is not a longterm solution. Football players know when they sign up that their careers could be short lived and their earning power ended if faced with a career ending injury and most plan for such. It comes down to business economics. Kurt Warner “retired” early and is doing quite well working “in football” but not as a player as are other former players. It’s not like Kevin Kolb won’t have a number of doors open to him after the Cards. Cardinal fans are constantly whining about the Cards not drafting wisely or blaming coaches for a bad season because there is a lack of depth when the reality is you can’t have it both ways. Sometimes players have to be cut because in order to afford to pay other,more productive layers,the hard decisions to “dump on” them have to be made…and,that is why GMs get the big bucks; part of their job description is he is the one charged with the task of being the surgeon!

By: Kevin S

Kevin S — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:53:38 +0000

Clssylssy –

Kolb’s injury history should be a factor in deciding whether to keep him and, if so, how much to pay him — no doubt. But comments like “where else could a person keep their job if they only showed up less than half the time” (in reference to him playing 15 of 32 games) aren’t really fair. No one disputed the severity of Kolb’s injuries; it’s not like he had a choice whether to show up or not for work and chose to sleep in. Football players get injured. Ryan Williams has played in only a third of the games Kolb has in those same two years… should we just dump on him too?

By: clssylssy

clssylssy — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:38:10 +0000

Just saw where the Eagles singed Dennis Dixon and KC could be interested in Nick Foles. Foles was VERY impressive last season and I would say let KC have Kolb and Cards go after Foles. The Cards would get a clean start with a player who has demonstrated he can handle the pressure of the NFL, stay healthy and who is familiar to some of our new coaching staff and doesn’t come with baggage. I wish somebody could make a good case showing the upside of keeping Kolb…just saying, let’s look objectively at the pros and cons.

By: clssylssy

clssylssy — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:45:21 +0000

Alex Smith has asked to be traded so whether or not he is a free agent, is somewhat of a technicality…more than likely, if he makes a big enough issue about not wanting to stay with the 9ers, they will trade him, not so sure they would trade him to a division rival though. Geno Smith is ranked #1 in the draft by most sources and KC has the first pick, whether or not he still available when it’s the Card’s turn to pick is doubtful as the Jags are also in need of a QB as are other teams, although that would be quite a nice coup for the new coaching staff to pull off. Andy Reid normally builds his offensive and defensive lines first, so I’m not sure that the Chiefs would go after Geno with their first pick. The best scenario II’ve heard for Cards is a Drew Stanton (not sure how the new HC would pull this off considering the Colt’s recent experience with PM), Matt Barkley (not a fan of USC products), John Skelton or Brian Hoyer combination. Hoyer doesn’t have the size and Skelton at 6’5″ could be “moulded” by our inhouse wizards to be a serviceable backup, he knows the lay of the land and is going to be cost effective but again there is the “baggage” factor. Like Skelton, Kolb has too much baggage,but will cost the Cards somewhere in the neighborhood of $11M if not cut before the deadline, a lot of $$$ against the cap which could help beef up that O-line or bring in a good RB. Kolb has played LESS THAN 50% of the games he was contracted for…something like 15/32…where else could a person keep their job if they only showed up less than half the time to perform their duties? While his health may not be an issue today, it does seem to be a recurring issue every year he has been with us that fact cannot be blamed on the “previous regime”. The Cards need to work on their running game and bringing in some talent at RB like Chris Ivory could help the Cards see light from the seller behind a new and improved 0-line. The Offseason is a time where teams returning to the playoffs year-after-year do some of their most impressive work in the signing of talent while working to stay under the cap. GMs like Ozzie Newsom, Mickey Loomis, Bill Billichick, Ted Thompson, Bill Polian have all discovered a formula that allows their teams to succeed year-after-year and are in many ways the real MVPs. The next few months are going to be telling as the “new regime” has an opportunity to “make their bones” . Good Luck to all, this could be where the REAL excitement is!

By: BIG RED

BIG RED — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 03:13:59 +0000

Ask far as I’m concern, I’m tired of hearing all this crap of Kolb. Best thing to do is send him packing asap. The only good thing he knows is the way he works on the Cardinals wallet. Good riddens!

By: cobra

cobra — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:01:57 +0000

bluepitt:

Yeah, you did it again. I really don’t care what level of Football you played. Apparently you suffered a concussion worse than Kolb, because what you say doesn’t add up. Who cares what Skelton did 2 years ago? You should check out my, Skelton is lucky if he can hit the barn theory. It started 2 years ago. Maybe that’s why our recievers may be a little skidish. Did you read Darrens next aricle? Ryan Williams was running scared? It has a lot to do with the state of the O-line.
This reflects on the whole offense, QBs, running backs and recievers.

By: Scott H

Scott H — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:59:24 +0000

KK -

Your facts are not entirely correct. Kolb went down in week 1 of the 2010 season with a concussion ( was caught from behind by Clay Mathews ) and he was out for more than one week. In fact, it was the very fact that he was out for several weeks that allowed Vick to play himself into a position where the eagles couldn’t sit him down. Not the way he was playing at that time.

But who cares about his history with the Eagles? Isn’t his history HERE with the Cardinals enough to cause you concerns??? He has started two seasons and finished both of them having spent significant time watching from the sidelines. Pair that with his injury in 2010 in Philly and you have THREE consecutive seasons of that same scenario.

I’m not sure what you are hoping for with Kolb but i think you are going to great lengths to make excuses for him. The Eagles truly wanted him to be their next QB, but he did not lose that job to injury caused by a bad O-line. He got blown out of the saddle by Michael Vick, period. If the Eagles truly believed Kolb was the guy, they would have never traded him. At the very least, they would have let him battle with Vick for the job in training camp in 2011. Never happened. Vick has pretty much gone in the tank since that 2010 season, but…Kolb hasn’t been any better.

Kolb’s career and general lack of success is NOT simply explained by bad O-lines, as you claim. He holds the ball too long, tries to do too much, and takes too many hits. Considering his build and tendency toward injuries, that has been a fatal combination.

With a resume of injuries during the past 3 consectuive seasons, what value do you think he has? I may be wrong, but if I owned a team right now, I wouldn’t give Kolb any more than a 1-year deal to come in and compete for the starting job in camp. Period. I don’t think anyone is gonna hand him the starting job from the door and I DEFINITELY don’t think anyone is giving him a muli-year deal.

By: Mike Ellingboe

Mike Ellingboe — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:59:23 +0000

@Bluepitt,

You said the number of passes he’s dropped in the past two years are more than you care to count. The link shows his numbers up through 2011, which proves your memory from the first of the two years you recalled is faulty. If I could find a link to 2012 I’m sure it would show the same results. Take a look at how many passes are thrown his way that are deemed catchable in comparison to his fellow Pro Bowlers, and his numbers are even more impressive. The passes he’s looking at have no predictable pattern to them at all. I hate to say this, as a loyal Cardinals fan but in hindsight I’m wishing he wouldn’t have resigned with us, and went to New England instead. The numbers he and Brady would have put up together would have ended all arguments about who the best QB/WR in the league are. As it is, both have had to spend the bulk of their careers with teammates they’ve largely had to carry.

There’s a lot wrong with our current edition, but if everyone on our roster played at Fitz’s level we’d be picking 32nd pretty consistently. You’ve already seen how well we’ve replaced our other superstar WR. For a team short on talent, it doesn’t take too many moves like that to end up back in last.

By: erik

erik — Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:54:53 +0000

Chuck,
I agree with you that Kolb is a tough SOB, but he has gotten injured everytime he has been given the chance to start going all the way back to his days in Philly.

Scott,
Good point on having every QB being a question mark at this point. That being said, as a fan I would just like to take a chance on a rookie over Kolb. I agree that a pocket passer ultimately gets it done better, but Kolb is certainly no pocket passer. He naturally likes to scramble, hence his injury history.