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Considering Levi moving to guard

Posted by Darren Urban on February 26, 2013 – 11:20 am

Any thoughts of the potential offensive line for 2013 and a shuffle has included — at least from some in the fan base — speculation that moving tackle Levi Brown to guard would benefit all involved. Brown, who did finish the last half of 2011 strong at left tackle before a triceps tear kept him out of the entire 2012 season, said when he re-signed last season he preferred playing left tackle over right tackle. I don’t know what his feelings about guard would be — my guess is that he’d rather play tackle — but it may be a moot point given head coach Bruce Arians’ early thoughts.

“He’s a talent,” Arians said. “I don’t think he’d have any problem playing guard. But tackles are harder to find. Depending on what is available in the draft and free agency, those six or seven we suit up on Sunday you like to have position flexibility. But I would see him more as a right tackle/left tackle than a guard.”

General manager Steve Keim leaned the same way.

“The fact Bruce wants our five best offensive linemen out there means Levi could potentially move inside to guard,” Keim said. “That just depends on the combination of players we either sign in free agency. Looking at it on the horizon I don’t anticipate that happening, but you never want to say never.”

Brown’s return has been hailed by Arians as important help to fix the offensive line. To me, that sounds like a tackle.

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44 Responses to “Considering Levi moving to guard”

  1. By Alan on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    I know stats for linemen aren’t the easiest to find, but how did Potter compare to Levi in 2011?

  2. By jeffgollin on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Gotta draft question, Darren:

    Does the Cardinal front office stick to standard position classifications? Or – given the trend to specialization and versatility on both sides of the ball – do they put prospects in sub-classifications like Slot Receiver, 3rd Down RB, DE/OLB Hybrid, FS, SS, Slot Corner, “Big” Corner , NT, UT etc.?

  3. By Mike G on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope all is well! I think Brown’s loss last year due to injury was the biggest obstacle the Card’s had to stomach last year. He is an under-appreciated player. I would love to see the teams first round pick be a strong physical lineman. With a solid addition through the draft and Levi–returning–that would bolster the Card’s line. Also with Massie and Potter getting playing time last year our depth will improve. Hey Darren–In your talks with Arians and Keim did you get a feel that the Cards will stick to their draft position or possibly trade down to accumulate another pick????

  4. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Not only does it sound like Tackle, but it sound like LT. Logic would tell you that Massie played really well the last 8 games. So, if Brown is healthy and can play tackle, LT seems the logical place.

    So where does that leave Potter? Interesting enough that Arians said he likes versatility in his OLine. Could it be Potter battling for the guard spot and back up Tackle?

    Interesting that Barrett Jones, Who will land in the 2nd or third round, has played center, guard and tackle for Alabama. Other guys are Kyle Long , Justin Pugh and Dallas Thomas, and Terron Armstead are all guys who can play both tackle and guard

    If Massie and Brown are the tackles and Colledge, Potter, Synder and Jones/Long/Pugh/Thomas/Armstaed battle it out for the guard position, we could have a very versatile group.

    I see more and more signs to the cards drafting either Dion Jordon or Jarvis Jones with the 7th overall. A QB like Tyler Wilson with the 38th and one of the guys mentioned above with the 3rd (50th-51-52?)

  5. By aaron on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    I could see Brown moving to guard in a few scenarios, football wise. I don’t really see it happening financially though. Paying a guard that much is a hard pill to swallow.

  6. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    I saw a post about JaMarcus Russell Throwing to Larry Fitz on his Pro Day coming up.

    Really nothing to read into it, but why not invite Russell to camp. If he is bad, Lazy, not smart or the other labels he has had, you release him after day one or two. Nothing really to lose except a couple of days salary.

    Sometimes people mature and need a second chance. There is no doubt he has talent. Take a look Bruce, because God knows we don’t have anything close to a QB on the roster right now.

  7. By D on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Cards could call Belicheck to deal the second 6th round pick and Doucet to NE for Mallett. He is unknown quanity, but has the strong arm and has been mentoring the best QB and coach in the league.
    Then I would sign Drew Stanton and B Hoyer and have Mallett all compete for the job. If he has matured, I think he would be a better option than the QB’s in the draft.

  8. By Andy Kw on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    I really hope Levi Brown stays at left tackle. If he moves to Guard, I won’t mind. He could replace one of our current guards so we could save some money and cap space.

  9. By Jeremy on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,

    Heard Cards were both high on Fisher and Glennon. True or just combine/hype rumor stuff?

  10. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    jeffgollin —

    RE: Positions

    They keep them in “normal” positions, but that other stuff is all worked into the draft grade based on what they can do and what the Cards are built for.

  11. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Mike G —

    RE: Draft trades

    Keim said he wouldn’t shut the door on anything right now.

  12. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Trade

    I don’t mean to pick on you, D, but why the heck would the Patriots want Doucet?

    Mallet isn’t getting dealt for a sixth-rounder. He just isn’t. If we are going to talk about potential trades, let’s do it somewhat realistically.

  13. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Jeremy —

    RE: Fisher/Glennon

    Let’s put it this way: Who is saying it? And how would they know?

  14. By D on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    NE needs WR’s. Especially a possession type.
    He is expendable to AZ
    Mallett has done little in the NFL, you think he is worth a 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
    Hard for NE to get high pick for a 2yr clipboard holder.

  15. By Bill L on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Let me just repeat the quote I found………among many, outside the Cards Org, but heavily involved with the NFL;

    Pro Football Focus, a site that grades every player on every play, routinely rates Brown as one of the NFL’s worst tackles.

    In 2011, PFF placed Brown as the 61st overall offensive tackle after he allowed 11 sacks and 40 quarterback pressures. He was considerably worse in 2010, when PFF rated him as the very worst offensive tackle in the NFL. In that season, Brown 10 sacks, 10 quarterback hits and 50 pressures.

    readers can decide what they think about vested sources as opposed to independent.

  16. By D on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    You guys are talking up Potter like he is the second coming of Jake Long. Kid did okay last year, but right now he only should be the swing backup tackle. 6’6 300 guys don’t make very good G’s.

  17. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Mallett

    The reason Early is expendable to AZ is the same reason Pats would have little interest. And what the Patriots need is speed receivers. I think Welker/Gronk/Hernandez give them plenty of possession guys.

    I agree Mallett has done little. But if Pats can’t get a 3 or 4 for him, why would they trade him? Just keep him as a backup. No way they give him away to a team desperate for a starter.

  18. By D on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Well the Cards are not going to outspend or out trade KC and the Browns and any other team out there.., so I see the Cards getting the left overs of the A. Smith, M. Moore and D. Stanton sweepstakes. Flynn won’t be traded to AZ just like Smith. Between those names and the names in the draft, they all don’t excite anyone. The only postive thing is that BA and T. Moore are good QB coaches and hopefully can make an average QB better if surrounded by talent. So, they might as well build up the Oline and draft another RB until they can find and coach up a QB.

  19. By azqfan on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    D,

    Darren is very nice. Anyone who thinks a 6th round pick and Early Doucet will get Ryan Mallett knows nothing about the NFL, or is dreaming. You yourself list the fact he was mentored by Brady and Belichik, yet think we can get him for a 6th round pick and a receiver who has been a BUST of a 3rd round pick?

    That is nuts. I would like to see us go after Mallet but it will take at least a #4 and probably a #3.

  20. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Darren and D;

    Mallett;

    Mallett was a high 3rd round pick with first round potential. I know on good authority what he was doing off the field and his interviews were weak. That is why he dropped. Billicheck has put him in his program and from all accounts, he has meshed well.

    D,
    Why do you want Mallett? Is it his big arm and potential to be a franchise guy? Do you think Billicheck is blind or do you think he can evaluate talent? So, if he is good, they would hold out for a couple of 2’s (see Kolb, Schaub and Cassel) or in this weaker QB class, maybe a 1 (supply and demand). If he is bad, he would have already been released and we would have had him instead of Hoyer. (who he beat out)

    As for not doing anything in the NFL, neither did RG3 and the skins gave up a kings ransom. It is always about potential when looking at young QBs.

  21. By John The Draft Guy on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    D

    I’m also a little lost on why you think Potter’s size is an issue to play guard?

    Potter is 6’5″ and 300 pounds. I bet he comes into camp at 305-310 with his first offseason workouts.

    Carl Nicks is 6’5″ and 320
    Mike Iupati is 6’5″ and 330
    Jahri Evans is 6’4″ and 310
    Logan Mankins is 6’4″ and 310
    Darren Colledge is 6’4″ and 308

    Seems the right size to me. Plus, I never said he would start at guard. I said he would compete for a starting spot. The point of Darren’s article was versatility. Whether it be Brown or someone else.

  22. By Andy Kw on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    John The Draft Guy

    Nate Potter would be an excellent choice as a candidate that could compete for the starting guard spot.

    With the expenses we have paid for the Offensive Line and so little was produced, I don’t see why we would not have changes. Nate Potter did a pretty nice job as an Offensive Tackle last season. He has the size 6’5” and the weight 300Ibs to really become an elite Offensive Tackle.

    Daryn Colledge and Adam Snyder are both veteran guards that had many struggles in the 2012 season. Guard Daryn Colledge has been healthy throughout his career so he is a guard we cannot afford to get rid of. Guard Adam Snyder has played decently throughout his career and I believe that he should be the starter in the upcoming 2013 season.

    Nate Potter would be nice at Offensive Tackle or Offensive Guard. He adds the nice backup presence this organization needs just in case if anyone is injured. Don’t forget, he was once thought be a high draft pick in the 2011 season before he decided to return to Boise State.

    With the return of Levi Brown, 2yr starter Bobby Massie, and the veteran presence of Sendlein, Colledge, and Snyder, this Offensive Line should be much more improved. We all saw the drastic improvement of the Offensive Line through the course of the final 8 weeks of the 2012 season, if that performance improves, I see this Offense being more consistent and produce less turnovers.

    With a much healthier Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams, the expectations for this Arizona Cardinal’s team will be higher than ever.

  23. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    draft fisher move brown to guard o-line problems are done and over then we have potter or massie to battle for other spot and we have good depth to in case of injury if they draft that loser qb from usc i hope they lose 3 yrs in a row.

  24. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    i would rather us bomb for manziel than barkley

  25. By Campbells on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Just saw on NFL Network, that Cards are considering trading for Alex Smith. If this turns into another Kolb deal, where we give up Fort Knox for a marginal player, I won’t renew my season tickets.
    The only way this is tolerable, is if Kolb gets kicked to the curb.
    Not in the mood to see the Cards give up high draft picks, and too much money for another marginal player.

  26. By Cody Zarr on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Mr. Brown’s most evident weakness has been his lack of lateral agility. As a guard this is less important. My guess is Mr. Arians is seriously considering the switch otherwise it wouldn’t be mentioned.

    Obviously everyone in the organization has ass cover syndrome because nothing is certain right now, but I don’t think there is anyone that can say his talents would be wasted at a guard position if we picked up a tackle that could actually defend against speed rushers off the edge.

    I do like Mr. Brown. He’s a very cerebral guy and is incredibly strong, but I can’t stand watching guys go around a left tackle.

  27. By Patrick Eagan on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Go Cardinals!!!!

  28. By Darren Urban on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Cody —

    RE: Brown comment by Arians

    Actually, he talked about it — as did Keim — because I asked about it. Because fans had asked me if it might happen. As I wrote, that doesn’t sound likely.

  29. By Credit Card on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Logic would be to play it like a card game. That is, keep your thoughts and ideas close to your vest, allow other teams to try to guess what you’re doing. If Arians is thinking about moving Brown to guard and trying to draft tackle Fisher or even Joekel — he certainly would not admit this. Instead, he would be stating how good Brown is at tackle, and that our needs are elsewhere.

    I say keep them guessing. Above, a good idea of drafting Jones from Bama with the 2nd draft choice or taking a chance if available at round three.

    Cards from done a good job of drafting lower round players from DII schools.

    Lastly, other teams are drooling over Tolar — hope he remains a Card.

  30. By Credit Card on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    I think it is worthy of a late round gamble in taking a talented athlete from a DII or smaller school. Plus, it gives some of those schools hopes of grooming an NFL player.

    Darren do you know if Kiem has been the instrumental person in scouting some of the smaller school players the Cards current have? Such as Tolar, Bethel, Skelton, Roberts, Housler, and others. If so, (or whoever has done this function) I hope they continue with the new coching staff. I believe some diamonds can be mined — as done in the past.

  31. By Coach Kevin on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    Post Combine Mock Draft

    1. Eric Fisher,
    2. Tyler Bray,
    3. Corey Lemonier,
    4. Christine Michael,
    5. J.J. Wilcox,
    6. Bruce Taylor,
    6. Tyrann Mathieu

  32. By vegas4u2012. on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    -Watched the tape on Fisher.Looks like the real deal.Get Lott/Goodwin & CO.to show him the ropes & he will only get better.(Luke will not be there at 7.)Also seen alot of Levi since drafted from Penn St…His strength is run blocking.I would like to see what he could do at guard?(ofcourse alot can change w/free-agent signings)..Massie as the other starter..Potter to backup ot’s & Snyder as backup(ONLY!!)..for guards/center.Colledge..not great but he’s a gamer w/ a very good attitude..Do this,& we might give our QB’S more then 2 secs…before they get their faces smashed in!!As the saying goes.”If you don’t win the game at the point of attack-YOU DON’T WIN THE WAR”!-Sorry u all,but we can’t have a 100% of whatever we need..GO BIG RED!!!!

  33. By BIG RED on Feb 26, 2013 | Reply

    If kolb is so good, as so many of you say he is, then why is it that every year the Cardinals brass wants someone else. Last year it was Manning, this year it’s Smith it just shows how much they think on him. Just release the guy, no more wasting our time. Coach Arians don’t waste your time either.

  34. By Mike Ellingboe on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    @Bill L,

    “readers can decide what they think about vested sources as opposed to independent”

    I think I’ll go with the vested sources, for obvious reasons. Arians wasn’t anywhere near AZ when Levi was picked, and has zero reason to keep someone around he doesn’t think can play effectively for him. The problem with today’s independent sources is they think they can judge a player by guessing at film they see. There is no way for them to know what the blocking scheme on a given play called for, who might have missed an assignment, etc. Plus, we shuffled through many QB’s, in a vertical offense, which makes an already difficult position borderline impossible, something I doubt our online experts take into account with their ratings.

    Is it fun to try and figure out how teams should be built, and who should play where? Obviously, or we wouldn’t spend so much time commenting on it, and yes, there are times when it seems as though the coaching staff misses the obvious, but let’s not fall into the illusion of thinking that any keyboard warriors could spend a minute in an actual coaches meeting without being in way over our collective heads. The fact that they attempt to rank every player is a giveaway to their overall lack of understanding. Bruce Snyder once told me, at the end of the season he and his coaching staff broke down tape on every player, at every position, for every play, for every game to figure out where they could improve the following season. Think about the amount of time that would take and tell me how there’s enough hours in the day to do that across all 32 teams? Another example, a friend of mine was signed by the Cowboys as a free agent a number of years back. They knew everything about him, dating back to when he started playing in middle school, this for a guy who didn’t make the first cut. Mind boggling. Classic examples of professional vs amateur evaluation.

  35. By 949Cardsfan on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    I would be OK with either of these two scenarios;

    Brown-Warmack-Sendlien- anyone but Colledge or Snyder?- Massie
    Fisher- Brown- Sendlien- anyone but…?- Massie

  36. By Darren Urban on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    Credit —

    RE: Keim/Small schools

    Steve has been in charge of the scouts for a few years now. Whether you would call that “instrumental” I don’t know, but he has been a major part of the process.

  37. By Marcelof on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    any words on AJ McCarron?
    Is he going to 2013’s draft?

    After wacthing some Alabama’s game I liked what I saw on that Kid, considering he goes to his senior year, wouldn’t he be a nice fit for Cardinals in 2014 draft class?

  38. By Cody Zarr on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ah, thanks Darren I thought he just came out and mentioned it out of the blue. That changes things.

  39. By Darren Urban on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    Marcelof —

    RE: McCarron

    He’s not in this draft and right now, that’s all I care about.

  40. By eric on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    I like the possible Levi Brown/Chance Warmack OT-OG combo for the next decade.Hope it happens.

  41. By ored on Feb 27, 2013 | Reply

    but as keyboard coaches and managers we don’t get fired and can always come up with an excuse why something did’nt work.i do agree that with healthy bodies,some inspiring coaching,and a renewed emphasis on physicality,we’re not so far off offensefly,we need game changers anywhere and everywhere,if there is’nt one at qb then don’t waste our best pick there trying to make something that just won’t happen,get a game manager for the time being and build the foundation for when we do see “the one”.pp had more to do with games won his first year because he is a difference maker,we need more like him at other positions,question is how many can we get and will we step up to the plate.

  42. By horboy80 on Feb 28, 2013 | Reply

    I like this line scenario.

    Lt Potter – LG Warmack or Cooper(try to trade down a few for Cooper) – C Sendelein – RG Brown – RT Massie

    You have some vets and Kelomente backing up this young o-line and allow them to develop as a unit. Next year if Potter or Massie cant hold up, you draft another tackle then you keep them as your swing tackle backup.

    Potter did an admirable job last year and with a new offense that is not predicated on WR routes that take 5 sec to develop this line should be serviceable in pass protection. Moving Brown to RG and drafting a stud LG and the running game should actually be decent.

    Just an idea on what I plan on doing in Madden this year ;)

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