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Posted by Darren Urban on March 4, 2013 – 3:49 pm

Until practices and the games play out, the differences between new coach Bruce Arians and former coach Ken Whisenhunt may be hard to decipher. But there is one major difference that is obvious given topics Arians has talked about — where Whisenhunt was often careful of how quickly he would play a rookie, and clearly skewed toward veteran play, Arians is the opposite. I expect the new staff to play young players early and often.

When Arians first took the job, he mentioned how many rookies and/or inexperienced players he and the Colts played last year in Indianapolis. Much of that was forced, because of injury and salary cap purges, but in the end, it worked out to an 11-win season. Arians praises the job those young players did for him. And in the shadow of the story that players can’t talk to the coaches about football until April comes the reality that, under the new rules, rookies benefit with the learning curve. Even Arians notes this.

“We found out we could play with young players,” Arians said of his time in Indianapolis. “In the past a rookie might get seven or eight reps in an OTA. Last year they got like 200 because they can go out seven days a week.  The veterans can’t work but the rookies can. They got reps even going to (training) camp, when we brought them in three days early.”

Obviously, the Cardinals aren’t going to have the rookies working seven days a week. But the Colts had a pair of rookies-only minicamps last year and I wouldn’t be surprised to see that repeated here. Plus I could see Arians again wanting to bring them in early to training camp. That’s a lot of extra time with the coaches the veterans won’t get — especially if the coaches are looking to find rookies that can play right away.

You also have to wonder about the underbelly of the roster, the guys that Whisenhunt always liked to populate with veterans. Arians and general manager Steve Keim may be looking in a different direction.

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35 Responses to “Youth looks like it will be served”

  1. By Rich on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    glad to hear. gotta find the right blend, and youth is a critical element.

  2. By erik on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Good to hear.

  3. By andystandsup on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Probably in the minority, but I liked Whisenhunt because of the disciplinary actions that he enforced. Once in the doghouse, right or wrong, there you stayed. Be interesting to see how Arians reacts, once things go downhill (and make no mistake, they will and Bruce as first year coach basically only saw the good).
    One thing for sure, which the media must be breaking plates over, Arians is a quote machine as opposed to Whiz.
    Just hope he doesn’t promise a winner in town.

  4. By Scott H on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    While we’re serving the youth, can we start looking at Dashon Goldson??? Reports are, he is not going to be tagged by the 49ers. Taking a top notch FA defensive player from a division rival – not to mention one quite familiar with the 49ers offense from practicing against it every day – would serve two very important processes.

  5. By andystandsup on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Not trying to be feisty, just realistic.
    And Darren’s headline points it out.
    Looking like a rebuilding year.

  6. By ored on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    such a welcome attitude,the draft is such a big part of the season for the fans,and then not to see their picks play,clearly a disconnect there between fans and ownership/management.not to say they have to be an instant every down player,but mix in some situational plays for them and don’t wait til you have no choice but to play them.just look back a little and see how fast some of our rookies came along.i feel it’s better to ease them in instead of having to play them in pressure situations.

    whiz had his good points,one being loyal to the vets,but like he always said competition is good,but sometimes it’s also bad if your getting long in the tooth.it’s a young mans game,that’s why they need to make their “hay”while the sun shines,just too bad some don’t plan very well for early retirement.

    i don’t agree with staying in the doghouse,their time is so short,the game so fast and violent that if they have the talent to belong,use it,learn from your mistake and move on,if a players career is 5 yrs.,being in the dog house for 1 season is 1/5 of his career,too big a penalty,both for him and the team if he could help.most of the players are still just big kids,all they know basically is playing a game,cut them some slack,more important things to worry about,get them some counseling,use peer pressure(the positive kind)go to dinner with them and impart some wisdom,call their mother,lol.

  7. By shannon robinson on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Coach Arians seems to be more open about decisions he makes. He said he regrets not being able to communicate with players now even though he has to pass judgment on their carreers. I take that to include A-Dub and Kolb. I think he may release Kevin Kolb and negotiate with him after the market speaks.

  8. By Patrick Eagan on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    go cardinals is all i have to say

  9. By Credit Card on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    I wonder on Indy would have faired in the NFC West. It is a salty division with some steap competition.

    As for the article, good idea to get rookies acquainted with the NFL ASAP. Remember, they have huge learning curve (plays, coaches, where to live, how to do their own laundry, how to practice, study new play books, get along with new teammates, be low man on the totem pole …. list goes on and on).

  10. By Patrick on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Why do I have the feeling that Kolb’s agent is already shopping the cardinals offer around the league. I know not allowed to do it, but that does not stop it from happening. Just sayin’

  11. By david on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Off topic a tid bit but look what BA did for reggie wayne last year. In this offense the best play will get the majority of the receptions a la Fitzs..

    “Mr new assistant o line coach this offense will dictate your coaching skills.”

    -4th year season tix holder guy

  12. By dubbb on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Dashon Goldson is overrated, plus we already have Wilson and Rhodes.. you gonna bench one of them for Goldson? Didn’t think so…

  13. By vegas4u2012. on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,I know-based on different circumstances,from team to team,that the method of thinking,from one coach to another is not the the same.But,alot of the fans on this post seem to be pushing for extreme change,when it comes to the players.We have already had that w/the coaching staff/front office.Arians already stated that his coaches can improve on most of the team in place.Some fans just want to clean house all-together at this point.Out of curiosity,what is your,honest opinion on this point?- You can’t (for instance)-just replace most of the O-line/Qb,s.That does not sound reasonable?…GO BIG RED!!

  14. By Cactus jeff on Mar 4, 2013 | Reply

    I still think a trade is in the works with the patriots. Why? The Cards beat the pats at NE. Dockett played great. Fitz would be a great fit, the Cards too cheap to be active in FA so a trade to get picks will fire up the fan base. Finally, Mallett is a need for the Cards. So here is my prediction, Dockett for Mallett and a 2nd rd pick, or Fitz for Mallettt, a RB and a couple picks.

    Past predictions by me, DRC for Kolb (well before local media even sniffed it). How? Because Whiz commented after getting PP in the draft we now had 3 shut down corners Toler, PP and DRC. Really Toler a shut down corner?

    This time around, BA changing tune about 4-3 to 3-4. Dockett is not a 3-4 DL unless he is working with a stud NT like Vince Wolfork. Also comments about OL having talent, if Dockett is dealt, DL is more of an option in first round and one of Indy’s DEs in FA.

  15. By NYCardinals212 on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    AndyStandsUp,

    I also never had a problem with Whisenhunt’s so called “doghouse”. Every coach has one, but Whisenhunt’s dogs seemed to have a lot longer leash. How many chances, over how many years did Beanie get to redeem himself after a costly fumble at the worst time? This was the same coach that allowed the rookie to fly home to see his family during the season — because he was homesick, and times were rough. How many times did Dockett put his foot — rather, his Twitter — in his mouth? Yet, the only thing Whisenhunt reprimanded him for was his insubordination. Name me a coach who wouldn’t.

    I agree, Andy, and I get the impression, contrary to popular opinion, that Arians’ doghouse might be a little quicker to open its doors. His genial nature doesn’t fool me. Arians, like Whisenhunt, just won’t suffer fools, nor under-achievers.

  16. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    David,
    Good point that BA found ways to get the ball to Wayne. It was pitiful to see fitz with one catch for 4 yards. That should never happen.

    The good news here is we have roberts, housler and floyd to take the pressure off.

    Now, if we had someone to get them the ball………….

    -21 year season ticket guy :)

  17. By Dynosoar on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    John The Draft Guy,

    Thanks for the insights and especially the angle applying Arians’s past to the evaluation. Obviously important in predicting future possibilities with any degree of accuracy and eliminates 9or at least minimizes the emotions of evaluating.)

    Any thoughts on Dysert? (Actually, I know you have thoughts on him. HaHa. So, do you mind sharing them?)

    I’m listening to the song “Joy” by Alollo 100 and it’s hard not to be sdge of the seat – go get them – Excited when listening to this song.

    Go Cards! Go get that ring!

  18. By Dynosoar on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Ored,

    In the last blog post you stated,

    “now new leadership,a fresh start the phoenix(cardinal)rises from the ashes,we’ve been closer to the top than the absolute bottom,so we’ve tasted some of both and still have players left from that run for the top,so i’m pretty sure they would rather finish up.”

    I love the imagery of the phoenix rising. I also feel there are those that would love to finish what they started. Can/will they do it this year or next or both. Would be awesomw to have home field advantage in the Super Bowl at the end of the 2014 season. Totally Awsome!

  19. By Dynosoar on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Ored,

    “Call their mother.” I’ll be laughing all day. But hey, it just might work.

  20. By georgiebird on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,
    Arians ideas are very refreshing. Except for Larry, the Cardinals have no veterans worth keeping. So, as the Cardinals go thru two years of trying to regain credibility, there is no need to play veteran types like Lenon, Wilson, Snyder, King etc.
    As we go into the 2013 season, guys 28 and older (excl kickers and holders) who continue to play are a result of our younger players, draftees and FAs having been mistakes of the FO.
    This is a chance for the Cardinals to get on the fast track in player evaluation. Either a guy is going to be an all-pro or a near all pro or it’s time to move on. The NFC West is not a place for the Paris Lenon’s and Adam Snyder’s of the world.
    Did I hear the 49ers were trying to get Darelle Revis???? It’s not going to be easy for Mr. Arians.

  21. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Vegas4 –

    RE: change

    Obviously, change happens with a new regime. Will it be significant? Depends on how Keim and Arians see it. If they want to play young players anyway, they could make a lot of moves.

  22. By clssylssy on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    I personally liked the value Coach Whiz put on having a team framework of veterans as opposed to throwing new rookies into starting before they had a chance to even find the field. If course we have the fans who see all or nothing and expect to see draftees wow everyone by burning it up the same way they did for their college team, without realizing there is a big difference between the NFL and college. I like to see players compete for the starting spot and have to produce the kind of work that allows them to not only keep their job but to also grow as a player and in doing so making the team better. I think we need veteran players to serve as “anchors’,team leaders and mentors. The Cards have put themselves in a corner with regard to the cap and so we don’t have the luxury of picking up major talent in free agency and have to do the best we can with draft picks. What else can Coach Arians really do except beat the drum for the advantages of starting rookies? I would say, it depends on the rookie as it always has. I don’t want to see a “deer in the headlights” look on my players opening day and would think that Arians could see the benefits of experience. I guess we will see if this “new regime” can deliver on all it’s promises pretty soon now. Free Agency and the Draft are merely a preview of what we can expect this season.
    Good Luck…I’m hoping that these guys can walk the walk!

  23. By Nest Protector on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Darren-

    When do we find out about training camp…and with the Glendale bubble is camp surely heading that direction.

  24. By Nest Protector on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    that picture of camp got me thinking about how much the Cardinal fans would miss Flagstaff, awesome experience every year please work it out Michael. Glendale would be a hot overcrowded mess. YUK

  25. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Nest Protector —

    RE: Camp

    I have not heard anything beyond what you are hearing. I would assume soon, but I don’t know.

  26. By Scott H on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    dubbb –

    Look, I love Adrian Wilson as much as anyone. Buit there is reality to consider. And reality is that his playing time was being reduced at the end of last season. Are you expecting that he is gonna bounce back and be an every down player for 16 games going forward??? That’s just not likely. Sadly, it is not even guaranteed that Wilson will be on the roster come opening day. Given the reality of the situation, yes, I think you ABSOLUTELY have to consider up-grading that position with a guiy who CAN be an every down player for 16 games. That is how you move forward. And this team needs to move forward.

  27. By Larry W on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Teams need an Adrian Wilson even if he’s not playing every down. He is and has been a inspiring teammate that has given his all for the Cardinals. To discard him would be the ultimate slap in the face for all Cardinal fans.

  28. By Scott H on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Cactus jeff –

    Ok…you gave us one brilliant prediction by you that panned out…anything else??? Not exactly a substantial body of work, if ya don’t mind my saying. And I gotta tell ya, figuring DRC would be the guy to be traded for Kolb hardly required a slide rule. We ALL knew Kolb was the QB the Cardinals were going after. And after Peterson was drafted, it took most people about 30 seconds to realize that DRC was trade bait. So…I guess because you claim you knew this before anyone else, you must have known more like 15 seconds after Peterson was drafted, right? Wow…those first 15 seconds must have been pretty amazing…

    We’ll keep an eye on these Patriot deals. But if you’ve paid ANY attention to the patriots at all over recent years, you would know that the Patriots don’t make big, blockbuster trades for big name players. Know why? Because they don’t have to, that’s why. They do a tremendous job of drafting players that seem to fit right into their system and they don’t miss a beat. Remember them drafting Aaron Hernandez and Rob Grontkowski in the same draft a couple of years ago and seeing them both look like instant pro bowl TE’s right from the start? THAT’S how the Patriots roll. They quietly fill other needs by making picking up FA’s who, likewise, seem to fit right into what they do.

    They let guys like the Law Firm go because they can. Because they know they have Steven Ridley ready to come in and be every bit as good or better. That’s why they don’t need to trade for players like Fitzgerald or Dockett. They don’t need to give up players or draft picks to other teams because they DON’T MISS with their draft picks and FA pick-ups.

    And why are the Patriots looking to trade with the Cardinals because the Cardinals beat them in NE last year??? Believe me when I tell ya, the Patriots couldn’t care less about a game they lost in September to an NFC team they rarely ever see. A few months later, the Patriots were playing in the AFC title game and they didn’t even know the Cardinals existed. Know why? Because that is where the Patriots set their expectations. During the regular season, the Patriots have mind set where they completely forget about the game they just played – win or lose – about 10 minutes after it ends. Their focus moves to the next game and everything they need to do to prepare for that game.

  29. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 5, 2013 | Reply

    Dynosoar,

    I have great respect for Mike Mayock.

    Zac Dysart didn’t impress me much, but Mayock calls him the next Andy Dalton and has him rated as his 4th QB.

    Mayocks rankings are;
    Geno
    Barkley
    Glennon
    Dysart
    Jones

    Dysart, in the right system can be good. Good Athlete but like Dalton, doesn’t have a cannon. BA seems to like guys who can get the ball down the field.

    That is why you will hear lots of rumors about Glennon and the cards.

    Days before the draft, trust what Mayock says. He is on about 90% of the time.

  30. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Dynosoar,

    I realized I mixed up Dysert and Nassib. Again, I dont have much experience seeing these two guys, but Nassib is the one who is like Dalton.

  31. By monzz on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Patrick,

    What information do you have regarding Kolb’s agent shopping the Cards “offer” to other NFL teams? First of all I didn’t know or heard an “offer” was on the table and Second which NFL team would be interested in Kolb and his high priced contract?

  32. By Cactus Jeff on Mar 6, 2013 | Reply

    Scott H
    Looks like I touched a nerve. Good. Welcome to my world, listening to endless speculation year after year about which free agents the Cards are going to get. They never get anyone! (my bad they do get players like Snyder, Gay, McFadden) The Niners have clobbered them year after year in free agency. So yeah my prediction is just a theory but it’s a lot better than this constant drum beat of DRC, Rey Maualuga, or a stud OL man coming to the Cardinals in free agency. Will Not Happen. So what am I left with, crazy Kolb for DRC trades or Dockett for Mallett trades. We shall see.

  33. By Scott H on Mar 8, 2013 | Reply

    Cactus Jeff –

    I agree very much with the sentiments of your last post. I hear ya. The past few go-rounds of free agency have been thoroughly frustrating. Maybe with Whiz gone, at least now we might look somewhere other than Pittsburgh for players that might help.

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