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Guarding the top 10

Posted by Darren Urban on April 23, 2013 – 1:25 pm

So, let’s say the top three offensive tackles are off the board by the time the Cardinals pick at No. 7. If the team were to go offensive line still, it would have to be a guard, someone like Chance Warmack (below) or Jonathan Cooper. Some say that can’t happen, it shouldn’t happen. A guard in the top 10? Nonsense. Guard is one of those positions you can fill later. Guard is one of those positions where you can get a Pro Bowler in the fourth round, or turn a tackle who couldn’t pan out into a top-notch guard.

Or, is it something where if you think he’s going to be a Pro Bowler for many years, you grab him when you can. That’s the philosophy of Cards GM Steve Keim, at least when he has talked about taking a guard high. Now all you have to do is figure out if that is indeed how Keim and his braintrust in the draft room see a Warmack or a Cooper.

Watching the ESPN blogger mock play out this morning, Mike Sando — with the tackles off the board, as well as pass rusher Dion Jordan — took Warmack for the Cardinals (page 89 in the blog). ESPN in-house scout Matt Williamson loved the pick, noting that he thinks the Cards need a guard more than a tackle. Williamson called Cooper and Warmack the best two players, period, in this draft, so maybe the “no-guard-early” talk shouldn’t matter as much this year. And maybe it underscores the overall talent level at the top part of the draft. There’s no question you could probably plug Warmack in right away, likely taking Adam Snyder’s spot (and letting Snyder be a backup for all five positions).

I understand both sides of the argument. I get why people would say don’t take a guard that early, especially when someone at a position of greater impact can be had. But I also understand why you would grab one if he can be a Steve Hutchinson-type. It again comes down to the draft board, the grades and who is still available. This is certainly a scenario the Cards could be faced with Thursday. Personally, I don’t see why, if you believe in a player, you’d let the position make you hesitate to take him.

(And all that said, I could see the Cards trying to trade down if possible faced with this scenario.)

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51 Responses to “Guarding the top 10”

  1. By Harold on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    With increasing use of spread offenses – and running out of the spread – it seems as if a guard has more value.

  2. By SteveG on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    A great guard (pro bowl calibre) would seem to be a good upgrade considering the paucity of run game the team has suffered from…Not sufficiently versed in draft etiquette to argue the ‘guard in top ten” meme..but having a great player in ANY position has got to be a plus, right?

  3. By djjackson81 on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    The only way I see AZ not drafting Warmack at 7 is if Lane Johnson is on the board still or possible Dion Jordan still on the board. In both those scenarios I don’t see Johnson or Jordan being there at 7 so why not Warmack? If its Warmack they like over Cooper the need to take him at 7. If not them maybe AZ and Keim look to move down a few spots for Cooper then.

  4. By Kurt on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s not be surprised to see the Cards draft at 7 and trade that pick for later choices

  5. By joe holst on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Darren , if this a guy(Warmack) that you could eventually slide out to a tackle position-ala Larry Allen? Thanks

  6. By Jason on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Wolfley said on underground if you take a guard at 7 he better be a hall of famer. I’ve debated this from both sides and I think that it comes down to that statement. If Keim & co. have that kind of a grade on the guard then they won’t hesitate…I’m just not so sure it’ll be that high.

  7. By MIKE HADZINSKI C.M. PUNK on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    AS DANIEL BRYAN WOULD SAY YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

    HANDS DOWN UPGRADE THE WHOLE O-LINE NOT JUST THE GUARD POSTION,LYLE WOULD FINALY HAVE THE HELP HE NEEDS B/C IN REALITY HE’S NOT THAT GOOD NO DISRESPECT TO LYLE,MASSIE IS GOOD TO HOLD DOWN A SPOT PLUS HE HAS EXP…… BYE BYE SNYDER BUM….

  8. By Brian on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Part of the reason guards were traditionally thought to be lower round picks was because of the money teams had to shell out for high draft picks. But with the new rookie pay scale, this is no longer an issue.

    The first priority for your first round pick has to be that of certainty. You need to feel like you’re getting a sure-fire starter. That’s the problem with this draft – it seems to lack a group of no-doubters like past drafts. I agree that you take a guy at a premium position over a guard if you’re sure he’s a lock to play well right away. But if guard is the position that you feel you’re getting the most-likely Day 1 starter (and future Pro Bowler), then you do that. Gambling is for Friday and Saturday…

  9. By D on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Everything on the Web the next 48 hrs about the draft will be smoke. Agents and teams are working their sources to make a player rise or fall. No one knows the pick including Keim and BA until they are on the clock and see what are the options.
    This team has a history of taking the best player available over need–I don’t see Keim changing that philosphy.

  10. By Erik on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    hey Darren,

    You think if we do Draft Fisher/Johnson their gonna move Brown to RT and Massie to Right Guard? or Brown to RG? Either way if they do any of these moves i think it helps them in the draft because then they wouldnt have to really get a Guard and Draft a different Need dont you think?

  11. By chuck on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Darren

    Will Training video from today-thur be up?I’m dieng to see some offence vs defence

  12. By david on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    This pick makes levi our starting LT which sucks.

  13. By Andy Kw on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    My Arizona Cardinals 2013 NFL Draft Predictions:
    -Round 1.) OG Chance Warmack (Alabama)
    The 3 Top Offensive Tackles in the Draft will probably be gone before the 7th Pick but if Lane Johnson is available, we will draft him instead. If not, lets draft the best Offensive Guard is this NFL Draft and help our runningbacks have some lanes to run through. He will replace OG Adam Snyder.
    -Round 2.) ILB Arthur Brown (Kansas St.)
    This team is in need of an Inside Linebacker. He is one of the better tacklers in the draft and has the ability to stop the run. He will be needed on this team to stop the dangerous RBs and scrambler QBs in this division such as Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch, Colin Kaepernick and Frank Gore. He will be key to improving our run defense.
    -Round 3.) QB Mike Glennon (N.C. State)
    He has the size at 6’7” and one of the most accurate arms in this NFL Draft. He is the type of Quarterback Bruce Arians’ want. He can make all of the NFL throws, can scramble when needed, and has the accuracy better than our previous tandem of QBs (Kolb, Skelton, Lindley). His strong arm makes him a good fit for Arians’ vertical style offense.
    -Round 4.) OT Luke Marquardt (Azusa Pacific)
    He has all the capabilities of being a quality NFL Caliber Offensive Tackle. He has the size 6’8”, has the upper body strength, has average feet, and his athleticism is decent but can be much better. This team wants an Offensive Tackle and here is one that this team won’t regret. We is better than what most people think.
    -Round 5.) SS Zeke Motta (Notre Dame)
    We need a Safety now and Zeke Motta can definitely play that role easily. He just needs a year or 2 of development. He is better than Yeremiah Bell and his size will be needed as he will be key to this defense.
    -Round 6.) RB Knile Davis (Arkansas)
    We want a running back that can run the ball, be explosive, and can be healthy. This running back is our guy. This draft is filled with running backs and Knile Davis fits this system.
    -Round 7.) DE Quinton Dial (Alabama)
    He can fit in a 4-3 or a 3-4 scheme which makes him a valuable late round draft pick. This guy will do great on our defensive line.

    Lets breakdown my prediction:
    Our needs OL, S, LB, RB.
    -We address our OL by drafting one of the best OG in this NFL Draft. We draft an Offensive Tackle that can be a decent starter and valuable back up. Now we are loaded with Tackles.
    -We get the safety that was projected to be a top 100 pick in the 5th round. Now we add depth at the Safety Position
    -We draft Knile Davis. This is a guy who has all the breakout capabilities which this team currently lacks.
    -Arthur Brown will be our starting ILB and stop some of the most explosive RB in the NFL.

  14. By Scott H on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    That’s a BIG boy right there…and he’s already used to wearing red and white!

    As always, I don’t follow college football at all, so I don’t know the players who’s names are running through all of these discussions. So, I ain’t gonna pretend I know something I do not. From what I’ve heard in so many places, this sounds like a draft deep in lineman – offensive and defensive. And since you can never have enough of either – especially O-lineman – I will hope the Cardinals add some true building blocks over the coming weekend. If one of these stud O-lineman that I’m hearing so much about is there at #7, then make him a Cardinal. In the FIRST round of this draft, there is nothing we need more than that.

    Also, to the NFL, I say move the draft UP by about a month on the calender, please. It takes longer every year to get to draft day ( or so it seems ) and If I have to listen to ONE MORE friggin’ mock draft….good lord.

  15. By Darren Urban on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Joe Holst –

    RE: Warmack tackle

    I am not a scout, but everything I have seen says Warmack is strictly a guard.

  16. By Darren Urban on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Chuck –

    RE: Video

    Yes, there will be some video as soon as possible.

  17. By Steve on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Darren: I’m pretty much convinced that Warmack is going to be the choice and I think he would be the safest selection if all 3 Tackles are gone. We certainly could use a Pro Bowl caliber player anywhere on our O-line.

  18. By AzDesertRat1953 on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    It would be very interesting to see the Cards draft board and see who they have as the Best guard or tackle that may be had in the 7th round.

    I agree with SteveG “having a great player in ANY position has got to be a plus, right?”

    It would be nice to get a player that can make an impact like Patrick Peterson has done. Yes I know PP was expected to be a Gem, but it would be nice to get another one or two for the o-line and watch them Shine so Bright we All have to wear Shades!

    GO CARDS!!!

  19. By AzDesertRat1953 on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry not 7th round but 7th Pick in the 1st round. (it has been one of those days.)

    GO CARDS!!!

  20. By Credit Card on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    If the Cards play their cards right, they could trade down a few slots and still pick up Warmack or Cooper. Plus, with hopefully two 2nd round picks, obtain Cyprien and Ogletree. In the third round, take Armstead. Armstead is being graded down due to his level of competition. This guy has the speed of an OLB, with an OL body. Good coaching will cure any lack of experience. Can teach an athlete to play, but cannot teach a player to be a pure athlete. These players listed above are athletes, quick, big, strong, agile.

  21. By Eric G on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    If one of the top 3 tackles are there, you definitely take them. If not, I’d be happy with Warmack at #7. No matter what, the offensive line is the #1 priority.

  22. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    ” A guard in the top 10? Nonsense. Guard is one of those positions you can fill later. Guard is one of those positions where you can get a Pro Bowler in the fourth round, or turn a tackle who couldn’t pan out into a top-notch guard.”

    Darren, are you talking about me? :)

    Yes Nicks and Evans are pro bowlers picked in the 4th and 5th rounds. Yes, guys like tackles Kyle Long, Dallas Thomas, and Justin Pugh who all could move inside to guard. Yes, there are guards like Larry Warford, who could be taken in rounds 2-4 that could be probowlers.

    It’s all true. Would Warmack or Copper improve this team? Of course. Carson Palmer has issues (like most QBs) with pressure up the middle and a guard could help. I get it.

    Would taking a guard be the worst thing? No. But I like players that can cause turnovers or score TDs. Impact players do this.

    I would choose Kenny Vaccaro over those guards. Taking Vernon Davis or Seattles TE out of the game is big. Remember, Vaccaro shut down Tavon Austin as a slot WR. Dropping down and taking away Percy Harvin or coming up to hit Kaepernick on the option, just seems more impactful then a guard. Especially when you can get one later..

  23. By ored on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    warmack>johnson,just plug warmack in,ready to go,johnson is still learning the college game,another 1-2 yrs for the pro game,where will potter be by then with 2-3 yrs of strength training and pro coaching?

    i think we either get a top defense player,warmack or cooper,or trade back and get the top te.i think this draft will be exciting from start to finish,just know that te will figure in somewhere along with a rb,does’nt it seem it’s about time we come up with a surprise 1k yard rusher late in the draft,should be our turn.

    i think the defense will be ok,maybe a period of adjustment,but really longing to see an efficient ground and air game.let all the pistol/spread offensives have their ground game revolve around the qb option and holding their breath evertime the qb takes a lick.i think the old carve em up through the air and pound em on the ground will work just fine for us.

  24. By Darren Urban on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG –

    RE: Vaccaro

    The best part about that? Safety, like guard, is another of those positions you are not supposed to draft that high.

  25. By Aitchem on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    The way things are in the NFL, tackles, while still important, are worth less than they used to be and guards more. A top tier guard – a pretty rare commodity – will be as important a part of pass protection as a left tackle, and if you want to improve your running game, guard is where you start when upgrading the line. I agree with Williamson – we need a guard more than a tackle. I’d go Cooper first, Warmack an almost interchangeable second.

  26. By Coach Kevin on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    If the top three tackles are gone, I say trade down a few spots if possible. We could get Warmack at pick #10, plus an extra pick. Or, stay at #7 and get a pass rusher. Then get your o-linemen in round 3 and 4. This is a deep draft for o-line, so you must get the best athlete in round one. Round two could provide the safety we need. Round three and four, get the two best linemen available.

  27. By ben on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    what about barret jones, do the cards have any interest in upgrading at the center position, in your opinion.

  28. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Darren,

    Who says that?? I hear that but that is like saying dont swim for 30 min after eating. It is not a true statement.

    Actions are louder than words. Here are the safeties over the last 10 years.
    Mark Barren (7), Eric Berry (5), Larod Landry (6), Donte Whitner (8), Michael Huff (7), Sean Taylor (5), Roy Williams (8)

    Six of the ten drafts had a safety in the top 10, With one draft having two.
    How many guards?? Well you know the answer. For those counting 7-0.

    This is a passing league and with the Jimmy Grahams and Rob Gronks of the world, you better have safeties.

  29. By Jason on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Darren & JTDG,

    Thank you for validating my point to JTDG! I said the same thing when he brought up Vaccaro in a previous post. Although, in his defense there is a recent history of safteys in the top ten…Roy Williams (8), Sean Taylor (5), Donte Whitner (8), Micheal Huff (7), LaRon Landry (6) and Mark Barron (7). To my point if you look at this list only Barron who was drafted last year is still with the team who drafed them…not a good trend. If we draft Vaccaro, Warmack or Cooper I hope its after a trade down. I don’t think we’ll have to because it seems like there is a good chance either a pass rusher or tackle will fall to us.

  30. By eric on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    hope we get warmack…he is the best o lineman in the draft.

  31. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Jason,

    Not sure your point was validated. :)

    Roy Williams, a probowler got old , Sean Taylor is dead, Whitner left Buffalo to go to the Niners and help lead that defense to the superbowl, Landry had two years were he missed multiple games with injuries that caused him to leave, went to the Jets and the probowl , and Barron is a star player.Also, don’t forget that stud Eric Berry., a two time probowler.

    By the way, 2013 probowl featured Laron Landry and Eric berry.

  32. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Ben asked a good question.

    What about Barrett Jones? This guy played everywhere on the oline. Went to Natl championships as a LT, G, and center. This guy is a very good player who has the ability to play multiple spots.

    I like Jones and believe he starts on this team day one as a guard. Depends what we do at #7. If we go a different direction I like Armstead but Jones would also be a good pick at #38.

  33. By Brian on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    “This is a passing league and with the Jimmy Grahams and Rob Gronks of the world, you better have safeties.”

    Yes, this is definitely a passing league, so you better be able to protect your QB, too. Believe it or not, guards are part of that equation.

    Conventional wisdom is actually the same for guards and safeties (as Darren alluded to). You can convert college CBs to safeties just as college tackles can be converted to guards (as JTDG suggested). But it’s much harder to go the other direction. Therefore, the talent pool for potential safeties and guards is much larger because you’re pulling from two different positions.

    However, just as the elite safety talents have been drafted higher and higher (bucking conventional wisdom), we shouldn’t completely ignore the elite guard talent if it’s available. The NFL game is rapidly evolving, so sticking with conventional wisdom will inevitably keep us a step behind everyone else.

  34. By sbrown on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    B. Jones might be there in round 2, coming off injury in National Game ( torn ligaments in left foot ) was not at Combine, so that could be why not much news about him. If there, Cards could have two OL picks with in their first two rounds would be a huge improved OL for Palmer and running game.

  35. By Jason on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG,

    Touché…maybe I should have just thanked him for agreeing with my point :)

    They are pro bowlers but it doesn’t change the fact that saftey isn’t a premium position much like guard. Do you need good safteys? Yes. Just like you need good guards. There is a history of drafting safties early but if the teams valued these players they would’ve resigned them don’t you think?

    I think Barret Jones is injured and would have to start the season on the PUP

  36. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    @Brian,

    Excellent post.

  37. By Azcardsguy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    I think az should attempt to trade up to get fisher joeckel mingo etc. it seems better than taking and uneeded player with the 7th overall pick if they dont i think they should take Warmack and hope matt elam is there in round 2

    what are anyones thoughts

  38. By Harold on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    if he is steve hutchison – take him!

  39. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    @Azcardsguy,

    Again, the moving up thing probably won’t happen but for arguments sake, let’s say we did. To guarantee Fisher or Joeckel, the only way to do it is getting into the top 2, which would have to carry a very expensive price. Mingo could realistically fall to #7, and even if he doesn’t you correctly noted that Warmack will be there, and he’s the immediate starter & upgrade that Keim and Arians are seeking.

    #7 is high enough (too high for most of us).

  40. By TempeTom on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    I think the Cards should draft Manti Teo now that dwash is out. great production and work ethic. Way too high for a guard

  41. By Paul on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Watch the Ala-ND tape and see Warmack absolutely abuse Teo as well as future first rounder Nix. Draft him and forget about the position for a decade while he makes everyone around him better. And would love to see bjones in the third as a right guard and back up for Sendlein

  42. By Paul on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    And by him I meant Warmkack, certainly not Teo. Ithink Cooper looks excellent as well and may be even better in space. But he doesnt move people quite like Warmack. Warmack envelops people.

  43. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Brian, Jason, and Mike;

    Well, at least we have good discussions/debates about the subject.

    Please, everyone understand, I am not in the meeting rooms and watching tape. I do know that SF liked to run a lot of twist and our guards failed to pick up the OLB coming inside. There is no doubt we need an upgrade inside.

    I prefer Cooper over Warmack simply because Arians with Pitt and the Colts threw more than ran. He threw 66% of the time with a rookie QB last year. Cooper can play both Guard and Center and has better movement skills. One thing I like about Warmack (besides the obvious) is his very long arms. I’m sure he is a great pass blocker also. But, Alabama ran the ball so well, passing was secondary.

    But to my point, and Brian acknowledged it, the NFL is evolving. Everyone is looking for the next Gonzo, Gronk, Graham, Gates (lets draft a TE whose name starts with G :) ) But seriously, finding a Safety who can drop down on a slot WR, cover a TE and be great on run support is difficult. Teams now are asking safeties to do so much more. We have seen 7 safeties drafted in the top 10 over the last 10 drafts. Teams understand that.

    ADub is gone because he could not cover guys in space. Those safeties of the past that were fast LBs are disappearing. Todays safeties are essential to good defense because they are asked to do so much.

    Vaccaro locked down on the most explosive wr in the draft in Tavon Austin. Trust me, teams are going to try to get LBs and Safeties locked up on mismatches. We already signed Brinkley, who is a matchup nightmare as an ILB. We dont need to have safeties struggling also. Can we find a Safety in round two/three. Sure. Every position can be found in any round. But we are looking for instant impact.

    But let me ask you this again, and answer honestly, if you were drafting and had a chance to draft from these 4 players as rookies; Troy Palamalo , Ed Reed , Logan Mankins, Steve Hutchinson, who do you take for the cards?

    They all would help and be awesome to have, but who makes the most impact?

    One more day guys.

  44. By Mike Ellingboe on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    @JTDG,

    To answer your question, honestly, for the roster we have now, out of the guys you made available, I’d have to say Ed Reed. The rule changes have made it illegal to touch anyone over the middle, and Reed’s ball skills would be applicable in any era.

    However, do not take that to mean I’d take Vaccaro over Warmack. Time will tell if I’m right or wrong, but right now when I look at Warmack, I see the most NFL ready player available, and the one who did the most to help his team win games.

  45. By Jason on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    @JTDG

    Ed Reed! But, Ed Reed is/was a special ball hawk on d who was a threat to score every time he had his hands on the ball…a difference maker and he was picked in the 20′s I believe. I’m on record saying that we need pass rusher or tackle @7…I’m not advocating for guard. I just don’t like Vaccaro as much as you do. So here’s your question who would you rather have: Eric Berry or Mike Iutapi? Eric Berry has 6 turnovers in 3 years with 2 pro bowl appearances #5 pick in 2010 while Iupati was an all pro last year and the 17th pick?

  46. By Brian on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    JTDG -

    I see your point, and I’m certainly not opposed to picking an impact safety. I actually think that safeties are an extremely important part of defenses today. I always thought a great example was Bob Sanders in Indy. He ended up on the sidelines with injuries too often, but it seemed like that Colts defense was a totally different unit when he played. When he didn’t, they couldn’t stop anybody (thankfully they had Peyton Manning to match whatever points they surrendered, but that’s another story).

    The point I’m trying to make is that a potentially dominant guard should absolutely be part of the conversation (not necessarily the pick, but definitely a consideration), even in the top 10. It sounded like you wanted to completely rule out Warmack (or Cooper) at 7. And I don’t think you can do that if you truly believe he’s a Day 1 starter and possible Pro Bowler. That’s all. If Keim thinks Vaccaro is a Day 1 starter and future Pro Bowl lock, I’m all for it. Just pick a sure thing if it’s available, regardless of position (special teams excluded obviously).

    As far as the players you offered, it really depends on who you talk to. Everyone has a different philosophy about building teams. For me, I’m a strong believer in the inside-out approach. You can’t consistently win games if you’re not winning up front (on both sides of the ball). And you definitely can’t win when you can’t score points. Therefore, I’d take Hutchinson. I’m not trying to be difficult. That’s just my personal team building philosophy. Clearly, Polomalu and Reed would be HUGE assets to have. I just think you have to start up front and then move back.

  47. By John The Draft Guy on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Good points by all three of you.

    One more day and we will find out who they go with.

    Yes Jason, we are in agreement that if Johnson is there (or Joeckel or Fisher) we should take them.

    After the big three are gone is when we all disagree. I am not a big fan of pass rushers who havent produced. Mingo, Jordon and Ansah all would be great picks on paper and could be 15+ sack guys. They all three could be bust also.

    Warmack and Cooper seem to be the safest bets. Of course, to me anyway, it would have us taking a tackle in round two like Armstead. Levi has never produced at a high level at LT. If they dont have faith in Potter, they need a LT. So, although important, our first two picks go OLine. Alright, I guess I can get on board. We could find a safety like Phillip Thomas or DJ Swearinger in round 3.

    We would clearly be a better team with this draft. I will not argue that. But we would go another year without a legit OLB who can rush the passer. Last year, I wanted to trade up for Tannehill, but if we didnt, I wanted to trade down for OLB Whitney Mercilus or LT Mike Adams. The draft of Floyd was a terrible decision. (although he will be a good player)

    To be honest, my dream situation is the Vikes have to have Austin, who could go to Buffalo. They give us #23 and 25 in which we draft Terron Armstead and Eric Reed. We come back in two and land OLB jamie Collins and pray we land Barrett Jones in round 3.

    We walk away with a good safety, pass rusher, LT and guard. Not bad either.

  48. By cardsalltheway on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Paul & John The Draft Guy,

    Cooper is fine because who knows, the “evolving” NFL might make a new rule next year against long arms or “enveloping” the defensive linemen. However, I won’t be surprised if we go pass rusher because our need and the OL draft depth. OTOH, I’d like to see us take Tyler Eifert(TE) Notre Dame in the first round after a slight trade down.

  49. By Paul on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    I would be very happy to see either Cooper or Warmack. I would be disappointed to see a defensive player in that spot. If they pick Eifert, I will resist the urge to light myself on fire.

  50. By Jason on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    @JTDG

    I still don’t know what you see in Vaccaro to make him a top 10 pick? Ed Reed was a ball hawk in college he had 21 int’s including 9 his senior year. Vaccaro had 5…for his career. I’d argue that it’s possible that Ed Reed is the reason teams have gambled more on safeties early in the draft in recent years…looking for the next Reed.

    What are your thoughts on Kyle Long? I like the reports that have him as the 3rd rated guard and praise him with the athletic ability and physical measurables to possibly move to tackle a la Alberts.

  51. By Jason on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Tyler Eifert would be a wasted pick at 7. We have a young talented TE in Rob Housler and a solid veteran in Jeff King who is going to fill the H back role that BA’s offense uses. It isn’t the Patriots offense and we don’t need two TE’s. We already have spent top picks on offensive recievng weapons Fitz 1st round, Floyd 1st round, Roberts 3rd round and Housler 3rd. Even if we take him at 38 I think its a poor choice but the value would be too high for Keim to pass up…but at 7? That wouldn’t make sense to me.

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