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Noticing Arenas

Posted by Darren Urban on May 23, 2013 – 10:41 am

The trade when it was made was one of necessity — the Cardinals were not going to need nor keep fullback Anthony Sherman, and at that point, they wanted to get anything they could. The Chiefs, with new coach Andy Reid — a guy who likes bigger cornerbacks — wasn’t going to keep 5-foot-9 Javier Arenas around. So the teams swapped. And even though the Cards have a glut of cornerbacks right now, Arenas (wearing 35 below) sure seems to be making his mark. He has made some plays, and while it’s only May, most of the time it’s only the receivers and defensive backs that you can get at least a little flavor for while these guys are in shorts.

Now, would you stand Arenas on the edge starting across from Patrick Peterson? Probably not. As I’ve mentioned before, it’s clear that Jerraud Powers and then Antoine Cason are running as the top two corners after Peterson right now. But in a passing league where you hoard cornerbacks, Arenas can play inside and has experience on the outside if needed. As it stands right now, I think he’ll make a strong push to be here.

What else is noticeable is the current spot of 2012 third-round pick Jamell Fleming. Much has been made of the ability of the Cardinals to split their roster into two different OTA workouts for much of every practice day. It gives the younger players many more reps than they would ever get normally (and allows the vets learning a new system plenty of work too.) But that means some guys who were on the 53-man roster last season are practicing over on the second field. Fleming is one of them. Again, it allows him to get reps he wouldn’t be getting on the main field. But when the numbers come down, Fleming looks like he’s down the depth chart (especially with fellow second-year man Justin Bethel, now working at cornerback, has been on the main field.)

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18 Responses to “Noticing Arenas”

  1. By D on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Can’t believe A. Williams #35 is not retired.

  2. By joe holst on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    trade one of them for a feature draft pick or tight end.

  3. By Brian on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Darren –

    Are split squads pretty consistent from day to day? Or do the coaches move players back and forth regularly between the two?

    If they are pretty consistent, would it be possible to post a list of those players running with the “A Team?” I know it’s spring, and a ton will change between now and the start of the season, but it’s always fun/interesting for us fans to see some sort of semblance of a depth chart…even if it’ll change drastically by the end of the week.

    Thanks!

  4. By Darren Urban on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Brian –

    RE: Split squads

    They have looked consistent to me, although I haven’t done the mapping. The problem is that, during voluntary work, a vet or two might not be there one day or another which would skew things. You can pretty much go down the roster and pick which guys you’d think would be on the second field. It’s not rocket science. Rookies, Year 1 guys, mostly.

  5. By louis on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    another year gone.

  6. By Brian on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Great, thanks Darren!

  7. By shannon robinson on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Reggie Walker is on the second field and I’m sure he’ll make the team. I wouldn’t put a lot of credance in who’s working with which group because the I think they want some vestige of leadership with the young Bucks. Certain positions are guaranteed a number of players. With the D Washington situation and 54 as the roster number, we’ll keep 5 Inside LB’s and 4 Outside Linebackers. I figure with dependability issues with Rachal, we will probably keep 5 guards through at least the first four games – that allows Mr. Colledge to provide some foundation until everybody gets their feet planted. Personally I hope we keep six CB’s and 4 safeties since I’ve seen us become desperate with injuries at that position overnight.

  8. By lg on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Real talk 35 should be retired. back in the early 90s Williams and sanders was the top corners in the NFL.

  9. By georgiebird on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Can’t believe that Roy Green’s #81 is not retired. Roy was just about the best player in the NFL in the mid 80s.

  10. By Peter in Canada on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    @Ig I second that and furthermore he should be in the Hall of Fame.

  11. By CardsRepInChile on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    @ shannon robinson…

    I’ve always rooted for reggie walker but am less confident than you that he’s a lock to make the team. Obviously his special teams prowess helps but I feel like calling him a lock to make the team is a bit of a stretch….

  12. By clssylssy on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    A lot of teams would give anything to have our depth at CB…not a problem. It’s too bad our leadership doesn’t feel that it is as important to have that depth on the line, which is basic to having a successful season. Watching Andy Reid with the #1 draft pick go in the direction he went, made me smile and was classic Reid. If you look at any of the teams in the playoffs, the one thing they all had in common was the ability to protect the QB. I have loved watching Arizona’s defense and special teams but we have no depth on the offensive side. We are down to two QBs behind a only slightly shored up 0-line, our TEs are bland, and RBs are a question mark with one openly talking to the press about his “fear factor”! We have our best talent at WR but somehow they will need to get the ball to score and so the burden will be once again on the defense which makes our depth at CB even more important. We have all seen how injuries can kill a promising season so lets hope before we start feeling overly secure and begin “thinning the herd” we consider the worse case scenario and apply Murphy’s law! I still think we will regret cutting Hoyer. Although it’s early, there is plenty of time for injuries before the regular season starts as we have seen so far with other teams and I am a firm believer in insurance!

  13. By Mike Ellingboe on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    @clssylssy,

    “It’s too bad our leadership doesn’t feel that it is as important to have that depth on the line,”

    They don’t? In the past two drafts (between two different regimes) they’ve drafted five offensive linemen. As it stands right now, there’s so many on the roster that it’s realistic to think one of them might not make the team this season.

    Classic Reid got pretty butchered up in Philadelphia for not having enough depth at linebacker over the past couple of seasons. The limits of a 53-man roster make having quality depth at every position very difficult.

    Btw, we’re not down to two QB’s.

  14. By ored on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    we always need stars,but not everyone is at that level,we still need qualitry rotational and backup players,some are capable of filling in for a bit,just not as starters.

  15. By clssylssy on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    @Mike Ellinghoe…lol! Two QBs to speak of, which seems rather thin considering we went through four last year due to injuries for the most part! And, just because they’ve drafted five offensive linement doesn’t obviously translate into an effective 0-line. By the time you factor in injuries,etc, having 10 good linemen is going to give your team a fighting chance. (five starters and five others either as backups or on the practice squad who can rotate in if necessary) Of course, by the time the squad is cut to 53 things are going to be even thinner; the problem has been and continues to be (from what Bruce A seems to be finding out) that our 0-line is weak. Yes, Andy Reid had a bad year in Philly last year but he has always believed in building from his line be it offense or defensive line. I think he will do very well in Kansas City. Certainly Todd Bowles had something to do with that atrocious Eagle defense:) Just saying, you missed my point, e.g., the Cardinal’s major problem with the offense (identified by everybody in the NFL including our own President)was not having an offensive line that could protect our QBs and has only been addressed marginally. There is still time before the regular season to fix these problems and add needed players before the final cut to 53.

  16. By Mike Ellingboe on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    @clssylssy,

    Two QB’s to speak of? Explain that. They have a third-string QB with some starting experience. Who were you hoping for in that spot?

    No team will carry 10 offensive linemen on the 53-man roster. At most it will be nine, with seven active on game day. Only addressed marginally? Why do you compliment Reid for using his first round pick on the o-line, but say we addressed it marginally by doing the same thing? Was our o-line weak last year? Obviously, but who’s wouldn’t be when both starting tackles are out before the season starts? They now project to have two starters that were early first round picks, along with a 4th rounder at RT, and experienced starters at center and right guard. I didn’t miss your point, just strongly disagreed with it.

    The major problem with our offense has been not having a legit first-string QB since Warner. Props to Oakland for correcting that for us.

  17. By Louisville Card on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    @clssylssy

    I’m not sure where you’re getting only a marginal improvement on the OLine. They added one of the best guard prospects to come put of the draft in the last 20 years. Then last years draft had two quality OT in Massie and Poter. The line obviously was a spot that needed improvement in the beginning of the season last year, but by the end of last season the line was not the problem with the qb’s they were just terrible. Wait until there are some games played before you claim the line hasn’t improved or that they don’t have enough qb’s. they have added real talent to the roster and are poised to make some great strides this year…

  18. By sbrown on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    story was about d-backs, but let me add my 2 cents about the O-Line. A huge difference this season, other than Brown & Sendlein coming back healthy, is that the new staff has THREE Coaches working with the O-Line. no more of Grimm only working with the first five, and the rest just standing around. This season O-line will be much improved ! Now about D-backs, last season Cards had six corners and five safety on week one roster. IMO, I think they will again have six corners ( Peterson, Cason, Arenas, Powers, Fleming and either Yell or Jefferson. five safety ( Johnson, Bell, Mathieu, Bethel , then either Taylor or Harris. You never know, maybe Keim trades one for a pick next year, like Graves did with AJ Jefferson to Minn for a 6th round pick…

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