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Eagles aftermath

Posted by Darren Urban on December 1, 2013 – 6:29 pm

The Cardinals smartly talked around the penalties that were and weren’t called late in Sunday’s loss to the Eagles. They gave some matter-of-fact answers. Coach Bruce Arians said he wanted to watch the video carefully before he really passed judgment (and here’s a guess he won’t talk much about it even then. No upside.)

But as frustrating as that was, it didn’t trump the issues the Cardinals had of their own doing. What Arians and his team will see on video is a team that could’ve been in a much better place by the times the flags were or weren’t thrown. Linebacker Karlos Dansby – who had a pair of sacks — was not a happy camper in the locker room, and penalties didn’t have much to do with it. I asked him if it was going to be hard emotionally to bounce back from a loss like Sundays, given the fact the Cards had been talking about every game like it was a playoff game.

“(Expletive) no,” Dansby snapped. “We’ve got four more games. We’ve got to go play some football. Some winning football. Some inspiring football. We didn’t play with any emotion today. We were flat. Too flat.”

That’s always the danger, playing on the road, playing an early game – even after flying out on a Friday. Tyrann Mathieu called it the Cardinals’ M.O., to start slow in a road game. That seems fair, although it’s a dangerous way to live. Between Sunday and the opener in St. Louis, though, the Cardinals are going to have their share of what-ifs if they don’t make the playoffs.

– The up-tempo portion of the Eagles’ offense didn’t seem to bother the Cardinals a lot. “It was faster in (Cardinals’) practice,” Arians quipped. The play-action part of the offense did bother the Cardinals. That and the fact they couldn’t generate a turnover.

– OK, they did generate a turnover, but Patrick Peterson’s interception was wiped out. I haven’t had a chance to see the Mathieu hold yet. That pick would’ve delivered quite a storyline had it stood.

– I was down on the field with Michael Floyd about 10 yards away on that final pass his way. It did look like a penalty to me from down there, for what that’s worth.

– I’m an ASU grad (and yes, I enjoyed Saturday night very much.) But I don’t see how you can look at Nick Foles and see anything other than a potential long-term QB for Philly. He made a couple errors, but he runs that offense very well.

– Linebacker Matt Shaughnessy quietly had a very good game – seven tackles, four for loss, and a sack. He did get that (questionable) defensive holding call at the end. He’s been a guy whom I’d think the Cardinals want to extend on a contract. It will be interesting to see if they can lock him up.

– I think running back Andre Ellington would have helped had he not sat with the knee injury, but I don’t know if his absence cost the Cards the game. Rashard Mendenhall was good again, and Ellington wasn’t going to be able to block the pass rush or prevent Carson Palmer’s two underthrown interceptions.

– Arians wasn’t guaranteeing Ellington’s return against the Rams next week, either. The coach said he was going to be careful with Ellington, and that notion was reiterated post-game Sunday. “We’ll get him right before he plays again,” Arians said.

– Eagles punter Donnie Jones was fantastic. He punted eight times for Philadelphia. Seven were downed inside the 20. Peterson struggled on punt returns again. It’s odd that unit was so strong just a couple of years ago and now it’s a concern – not just because Peterson doesn’t score, but simply because there seems to be more danger of turnovers and bad field position.

– There wasn’t a lot of head hanging, even though this one could sting in the grand scheme of things. “I don’t think we took a step backward,” wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald said. Said Arians on losing the progress his team has been making, “Progress doesn’t stop because you lost the game.”

Well, there is still a lot of flight left. But we can ponder this more tomorrow.


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51 Responses to “Eagles aftermath”

  1. By results on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Panthers 11-5. Cowboys and Eagles 11-5 or 10-6. 49ers 11-5 or 10-6 if we beat them. .. So the Cardinals have to win all 4 games to go 11-5 and idk even know how that’d work ti breaker wise.. I hate to say it!!! But if we lose one more game we might be out.

  2. By Scott H on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Dammit…c’mon, Carson. Geez, you have Roberts WAY open on the critical 3rd and 5 late in the game and you throw the damn ball a friggin mile behind him??? What the hell is that?

    And was there a play during the last 6 minutes of the game that we WEREN’T called for defensive holding on??? We got the pressure we needed to get on Foles, he put it up for grabs and we got the turnover we needed. But…no. Defensive holding and the ball goes right back to Philly. Gotta be kidding me.

    There were also too many 3rd and longs where we let Philly pick it up and stay on the field.

    hard to believe we have been able to dominate QB’s like Matt Ryan and Andrew Luck but we can’t stop Nick Foles and a couple of TE’s who most people outside the eagles locker room have never heard of.

    This one hurts. Panthers and Niners both win today. This is pretty much an every-thing-that-could-go-wrong-did-go-wrong scenario. Been saying for the last few weeks that it doesn’t matter what anyone else does if the Cardinals take care of their own business. They didn’t take care of business today and it will cost them.

  3. By Bay Area Bad Boy on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Well I guess we are back to the same ole’ Carson. 3 turnovers including 2 Int’s. Man, that hurt, but still we had a opportunity at the end of the game. Way to hang in there. The way we played, dropped passes, poor pass protection. Palmer holding on to the ball too long again and without Ellington. To lose by 3 speaks volumes for this team. I still don’t understand what is going on between Ryan William and BA. But BA doesn’t trust him or there is something going on that no one is talking about. I can assure you Williams will not be back next year. I think we could have used him this game, but it’s BA’s decision. I know this much, Mendenhall doesn’t have the speed nor does Taylor. I don’t recall seeing Smith in the game at all either. And Smith does have speed. We have a tough road ahead of us. I predicted 10-6 this year, but it’s looking more like 9-7. But you never know. I do know this, We have a team that’s good enough to win out. So 11-5 is not out of the questions. Just need another 4 game win streak.
    GO CARDS !!!!

  4. By wather on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Well if Seahawks lose their last 5 games, and we win our last 4 we could technically win the division.

  5. By Credit Card on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Anytime the opponent punts 8 times, and you still manage to lose … you lost the game over the other team winning it.

    At best, the officiating was dreadful in this game. Totally inconsistent and the officials played a pivotal roll in the game (which the players should do that).

    Our interior OL (Colledge, Sendlien, Fanika) were pushed backward on most passing plays by two defensive tackles. Those three have to hold the pocket up the middle better. Their play of being out-manned, was the primary cause for the interceptions and fumble turn-overs.

  6. By cards62 on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Thank you Darren for getting the story up so quickly.

    Of course I am upset with the loss and angry over the calls or lack there of, Darren I have watched the Peterson interception 5 times now and if you call this holding then you can call it on almost every pass play.

    I am proud that our team kept battling to the very end when we were down 24-7 on the road for a 1 PM EST game. This has not always been the case in the past few seasons.

    Darren refresh my memory how was Kerry Rhodes at covering tight ends? Man if you play fantasy football you have to pick who ever the tight end who is playing against us. Love our defense overall and how they battle.

    I really like Dansby and Abraham and hope we can extend their contracts with the Cardinals.

    OL is still # 1 issue in my mind and game started poorly because of not protecting Palmer on early pass that led to the fumble.

    I think we will battle for rest of season and be a tough game for everyone we play, but next year will be our year. We are moving in the right direction and it is a good time to be a Cardinal Fan.

    Scott H sorry for you in Philly land as I read a lot of their fans comments. Not a nice group overall.

    Go Cards beat the Rams. Carson do not try to do too much and coverage teams do your job on the man out of West Virginia.

  7. By johnnybluenose on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Tough pill to swallow. Hard to overcome the mistakes….ours and the officials. Housler dropped a pass on third down that hurt us. Palmer made some good throws but also threw behind Roberts late in the game and his interceptions were badly underthrown. Foles was the difference in the game. Both Mendenhall and Taylor played well and our defense played well but forced no turnovers. We have no return game at all. None. That hurts. Can we win out? Yes we can but only if we play to our potential. Something was missing today and I don’t mean Ellington.

  8. By jakeplummersghost on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Oh well. Playoff-caliber defense, but the OL is just not good enough to get this team to January. Officials didn’t do us any favors either. Forget the Week 1 Rams game, what’s really coming back to bite us in the butt is the Jonathan Cooper injury.

  9. By ored on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    tightends and turnovers again,officiating was what you would expect this time of the year on the road,especially if said team is in the hunt,but you could see no one wanted to make it an issue,why would they,would’nt change anything.if you want to win on the road,you need a dominant showing.

    however it plays out,we need someone to account for the TE position next year,rookies and ordinary te’s are having career days against us.

    foles is having an outstanding year,and to think early on,when vick was in vogue,that maybe foles would have been available for trade.

    the rams ran headlong into the brick wall known as the 49ers,we get that test soon also,and seattle too…if it does’nt kill you,it makes you stronger…let us hope.

  10. By cardsalltheway on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Ryan Williams is the greatest 2nd round RB ever drafted by the AZ Cardinals aye? What will end up ruining the NFL is it’s inability to find competent referees(or out ruling itself) that know the game or what a pass interference call is. It’s like the NFL continues down the same path of hiring so-called rheumatologist professionals who are suppose to know about head trauma or concussions. The Nutty Professors!!!

  11. By clssylssy on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Difficult loss but we should know by now not to start off slow and expect to take care of business on the tail end. I think our coaches underestimated Nick Foles, who, is the real deal and did a good job taking everything we could throw at him and still keep his head and make good decisions. Peterson got robbed of his interception and I too have rewatched that play and feel that was a bogus call on Mathieu…seems like the refs were making a lot of “discretionary” calls that were unchallengeable. Despite no Ellington, Palmer’s interceptions, a defense that didn’t get started until the 3rd quarter AND the refs who were inconsistent and seeing things different from the commentators and all of TV land, I saw a Eagles team who came out fast and then started running out of gas when the Cards defense started warming up. Despite the interceptions and good field position they were able to get, we held them and made them punt without converting these “gifts”, not once but multiple times. . Palmer can take hard hits and get up and keep going and BA made some pretty gutsy calls and was spot on with the challenges. If the Cards had starting pressuring Foles from the beginning and kept the pressure going we would have worn them down and they would have beat themselves. Tough lesson that hopefully we will learn from and not repeat the next time we are on the road. It’s behind us; now on to the Rams at home and keep on pushing!

  12. By georgiebird on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Stop blaming the OL !!!!
    1) The defense gave about 200 total yards in the 1st half
    2) The defense gave up 24 points with less than 5 minutes gone in the 3rd period
    3) Cards’ special teams were bad
    4) Philly punter was great and we had bad field position most of the game
    5) the offense is so slow without Ellington
    6) the defense gives up 3 TD passes (early) and doesn’t force a turnover.
    7) The OL was forced to play from behind and protect a slow QB
    8) Foles completion pct was about 80% in the 1st half

    There is a lot of blame to go around in today’s loss- and we almost won, anyway.
    But to blame the OL doesn’t make sense- unless of course other units on the team are, at least, equally cited.

  13. By the way - Dr. G. on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Well, most of the other commentary shows frustration we would all agree is legitimate… Let’s talk reality here. The DEFENSE played very well in spite of being put in really bad field position. It would be fair to give Palmer credit for about 14 points (for the Eagles)… The O-line is not to blame for all of the issues today. Darren will graciously amplify on Monday, I assume. We have a balance of good players on this team. When the QB hiccups, the boat takes on water an lists…

    If this was a business other that a football team, the stockholders would be considering another CEO (QB), in this case, a different QB to take many of the reps this next week in practice. Can they live with this next year too?

    I have always been behind Palmer, but he has proven that the history following him of INT’s and errant and short passes should put the boss on notice that a look at the original QB brought in is in order. I don’t feel sorry for Palmer; he is being paid very well…He has shown durability as well…

    Even considering all this, Arians and Keim have made giant strides this year.
    Remember, they do not believe in rebuilding years…. Now is now.

    I still believe that many fans pay good money to see a good game regardless of the record. It may be the only game they can go to…. A good effort every time the rest of the way….

  14. By the way - Dr. G. on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=331201021&period=0

    Here is a play-by-play script of the game. If you are curious, please note the times the word “short” is used in the description of Palmer’s throws… Be well…

  15. By Steve on Dec 1, 2013 | Reply

    Darren: A little off topic considering the Cards tough loss but I hope you got to try an authentic Philly Cheesesteak sandwich while you were there.

  16. By Chuck 1 on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Any fans who believe that the Cards will finish 11-5 need their heads examined.
    When I told my shrink that the the Cards would win out, she told me that I’m delusional.
    9-7 at best. 8-8 most likely with three losses, probably to the Lambs, 9ers and ‘Hawks.
    Why not try Honey Badger at punt returner?
    Has the Special Teams coach changed his scheme?
    Isn’t there a good 6 foot DB graduating that can cover tall TEs rather than what the Cards have?

  17. By Chuck 1 on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    PS: The Cards will win the NFC West in 2015 after Keim and BA retool the roster.

  18. By CTFan on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Playoffs are a long shot, unfortunately, even if we win all four remaining games. Niners would also have to lose one more game (in addition to the game we play them)–and Eagles or Cowboys would have to lose to fall out of race. One advantage–we have a tiebreaker against Panthers, so if they lose their two games against Saints and we win four, we sneak into playoffs that way. If we lose one of our last four games, a whole bunch of virtually impossible things have to happen for Cardinals to make playoffs. It’s a shame–last week we were in control of our own playoff destiny and this week we need help.

  19. By red bird of death! on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I can’t see us winning more than 2 more I pray I’m wrong, yesterday was just awful we were so close and just didn’t have enough fight to get it done just like in week 1. These are the games that keep us as a .500 team and nothing more a lot of talent on this team more than most, but taking so damn long to gel .It is happening but slow as molasses the, INTs are destroying us bottom line.

  20. By Dave Chaney on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I didn’t get a chance to see the game so I can’t comment on the penalties that weren’t called. However, like one reader has commented, looks like Carson Palmer regressed a little in this game. Obviously you can’t blame one person for a loss and the comeback almost worked. The areas that have needed work on all year still do…QB and OL in particular. I’m sticking by my prediction of a 9-7 season which won’t get us in the playoffs but is a huge improvement over the past couple of seasons (after yesterday, I think we have a better record then about 16 other teams). @Darren…do you think there is a possibility that the Cards will go after Michael Vick in the offseason?

  21. By Rich on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    3.5 pt spread was why the Eagles didn’t kick the firled goal. Holding (def or off) can be called on any play. NFL benefits with TV ratings, and the betting community benefits with a 3 pt Eagles win. Call me synical.

  22. By EasyWins on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t care what nobody says we got cheated by the officials. I know we could’ve played better throughout the game but we could’ve bounced back and won if it wasnt for the Refs aka (EaglesFans) throwing flags to keep them in it. GoodJob P2 bein the only 1 to pick Nick Foles u got Robbed smh

  23. By LB on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I thought it was a good game. The offensive line looked worse today than in the previous few games, which is why Palmer was throwing poorly. Palmer has accuracy issues and poor decision making ability. The refs did make some bad calls, but the game was lost by the O-line and Palmer’s interceptions. It would be nice to make the playoffs, but I’m more interested in seeing what QB and O-Linemen the Cards can get in the draft. Build for the future.

  24. By VaCardsFan on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    The offensive line is just not where it needs to be, I know we picked up Sowell mid season so there would be a learning curve but he got beat a lot yestetday and is the sole cause of that first turnover. Also both interceptions were to a reciever that was in double coverage, why on earth are you going to make them come back for the ball. This was a hard game to watch and even though the Cards could have done a lot better there is no telling what we could have done in the last minute and a half had that bad call not had happened. Heres to hoping we get revenge on the rams next week!

  25. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    If you told me we’d lose by 3 in a game where we had 3 turnovers and the opponent had zero, in a game where the other team was a slight favorite to begin with, I’d assume we were going to lose in a blowout. The fact that we were as close as we were despite the turnovers — with a great chance to tie or take the lead late negated by the overturned INT due to a penalty away from the ball, and another chance to drive for the lead or a game-tying field goal negated by the non-calls on our final drive — is a testament to how much this team has improved.

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that in BA’s first season, we surpassed the Vegas over-under on wins after just 10 games, after 11 games we were in a great position to battle for a playoff spot, and we’re still not out of it now.

    Sowell didn’t have a good game, but I never expected we were going to solve our left tackle problem by just picking up another team’s discard. So I don’t blame him.

    I suspect we’re going to see a lot of Palmer criticism. The pass to Roberts was poor, and the 3rd down pass he missed on the final drive (just before the non-call on Floyd) hurt considering how wide open the guy was. I don’t like 2 INT’s any more than the next guy, but at least they were just poor throws instead of poor decisions.

    Which leads to my one actual criticism of the play calling… it seems like we throw more INT’s than completions on the deep balls. Palmer underthrows them consistently. I know BA loves the “chunk plays,” but when we’re moving the ball well — we’d gone from our own 20 to the PHI 39 on the drive right after the unfortunate opening fumble — why try to get it all in one play, especially on first down? We needed to answer with some points after giving up the TD after our opening turnover, PHI’s defense isn’t very good and we were moving along; at least a FG was likely. I just don’t like the play call. Well, I like the play call OK, but not the execution — and if we can’t execute those plays I’d rather not call them. (By the way, notice how the PHI receiver broke up the ball that PP was in a better position to catch than the receiver was, and then compare how our receivers played the two Palmer INT’s. Yes, Palmer didn’t throw them well, but our receivers don’t do him any favors breaking up the poor throws either).

  26. By iammattyoung on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    The Cards shot themselves in the foot in this game, yes. They should not have allowed themselves to be in a 17-point hole. I was fine with the officiating until that last flag was thrown, tagging Shaugnessey with the holding. It wasn’t the call so much as it was the referee standing there, watching to see if Nick Foles was going to go down in bounds or out of bounds before throwing the flag. That was an indictment in my mind.

  27. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Oh, yeah, and one more criticism of Housler, who killed another drive because he can’t catch an uncontested 5 yard pass that my 11 year old could catch… another example where we were moving the ball great, starting on our own 11 and getting near midfield, that pass puts us into PHI territory with another first down… and he drops it, ending the drive.

  28. By Marcelof on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I turned off the TV in anger, Cards could have won or at least tied the game if the holding or pass interference had been called on Floyd. Palmer played another nice game, he was intercepted twice, but both were on long plays, Brees is intercepted on those ones as well…. Carson had another 300-yard game and scored 3 Td’s, plus Housler dropped a 3rd and something, Floyd left the ball pass through his hands on another 3rd down and (I don’t remember who) was unlucky and lost the ball when he hitted the ground. Eagles almost didn’t drop any ball.

    We played better in my opinion but luck wasn’t on arizona’s side this time. Neither luck nor the refs.

  29. By HunterSThompson on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Lots of blame to go around on this one….but not much should be directed at the refs. Cardinals got outcoached and outplayed.

    Outcoached you say? First series Arians empties the backfield (yet again) on 3rd and 5 while calling a deep pass play that needs time to develop. He leaves Sowell on the left side one on one vs the Eagles best pass rusher. What happens? Sowell gets beat, Eagles get a strip sack/fumble recovery, and go on to score a few plays later. Cardinals are down 7-0 on the road.

    Sorry folks, but that in my mind in the definition of an “M.E.” (mental error, in Arians-speak). Hanging Sowell out there on an obvious pass play is just plain dumb and stubborn….or overly optimistic at best. Too bad it might have been the play that turned the game, and maybe the season.

    Lots of people feel that Palmer’s INTs were crucial, but although both should have been long gains for the Cards, neither resulted in points for the Eagles, either immediately or on their next drive. But that fumble (Arians fault) gave the Eagles 7 points in a game the Cards lost by 3.

    Cards got outcoached on the defensive side of the ball as well. How they continue to get gashed by Tight Ends is absolutely incredible. For all the credit Bowles does get for many aspects of the Cards defensive play, he clearly deserves a ton of blame for this gaping hole in the coverage. The Cards defense never got gashed consistently like this by the tight end last season – are we really to assume that Kerry Rhodes was the difference maker in that area? The next 4 games are against teams that actually have good tight end play – how are they going to go?

    Very disheartening loss in a season with plenty of pleasant surprises. Cards are gonna need a lot of help to keep the playoff hopes alive…

  30. By ry on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    WOW, you all act like the Cardinals were the only team to get screwed by bad calls and no-calls in this game. For one, Desesan Jackson’s punt return for a TD that got called back on a holding penalty was very weak. Also, on Larry Fitzgerald’s TD, the Eagles sent Micheal Kendricks up the middle on a blitz and he was clearly held and pulled back by his arm by one of the Cardinal O-lineman. Had he not been held he would have easily gotten to Palmer before he threw that pass. If your going to cry about bad calls, then at least recognize they were bad for both teams instead of trying to make it look like only your team got screwed.

  31. By joe67 on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Carson did not have a great game, but sure not all his fault.
    I don’t understand some of the play calling. I know BA has more football sense than me and most of us, but why try and stretch the field on third and short, when your qb has been under duress most of the day. Why not something quick and short just to get the first down.
    Also don’t understand not using Smith on at least a couple plays. He is closer to the way Ellington plays than anyone else we have.
    I know some of the calls sucked, but I also think we got away with some things also. I think just not very well officiated overall.
    Need to learn from it and go beat the Rammies.

    Darren, do teams send scouts to games anymore, or is it all done thru video?

  32. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Here is what I saw and heard;

    Kent Somers and Dan Bickley on channel 12-
    “The offense was bad” . What? Did they watch the game? Palmer puts up 300 yards and three TDs and the run game did enough while on the road. Yet that is bad?
    Did the offense make mistakes? yes. Miss an open Roberts or turn over the ball? yes. But bad? These guys are out of touch if they think that was bad offense. Don’t they remember last year? I thought they did a terrible job reporting on the game on channel 12.

    Officiating;
    I am one of those who believes there are enough plays in a game, that one badcall shouldn’t decide it. But there are three plays that has me questioning the officials;

    1. Roberts digs out a ball for a first down. Everyone around him says no catch except the guy who is behind and on the other side of the field by the eagles bench, who says incomplete. After replay, he is over ruled. What could that ref from across the field have seen that made him over rule everyone and then call incomplete.

    2. With pressure in his face, Foles throws up a duck that Peterson picks to set up the potential win. But after the pick, you see a flag coming from the back judge, over by the eagles bench, who calls holding on Honey Badger. After replay, it is one of the worst calls I have seen. Interesting that the same back judge (I believe) threw the flag.

    3. The holding on Floyd on the last play. If holding can be called on HB for his play, how is that play not holding. Funny, that back judge kept his flag in his pocket this time.

    That was as bad as officiating in those last few minutes as I have seen.

    As for the game;

    Trent Cole was a handful for Sowell. Cole had two sacks and that crucial fumble. But to Sowell’s credit, most of the line struggled against that eagle pass rush.

    Despite the Palmer comments, Palmer went on the road and threw for 300 yards and 3 tds. That is good. Now his two picks, not so good. The first pick, he threw into double coverage to Floyd, hopping Floyd would elevate and make the catch but he left to much to the inside. I’m sure Arians will say Floyd should have broke up the pass but it was off. Funny, he completed this pass for a big gain later in the game as Floyd elevated between the two defenders. The second pick, not a good throw.

    I am one that hoped for a win but didnt count on it. I keep saying we will get 10 wins. (3-1) the rest of the way. Is that good enough? Maybe not. But lets not forget, this is the coaches first year of changing over a roster and finding the right solutions. His first round pick has been out all year and his LT was picked up off waivers. I think if we get 10 wins, that will be very successful year and in most years, been a playoff team.

  33. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Everyone around him says no catch except the guy who is behind and on the other side of the field by the eagles bench, who says incomplete.

    Correction- everyone around him says Catch.

  34. By Darren Urban on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Georgie –

    RE: Blame

    Agree there was blame to go around.

    But please do not tell me the offensive line played well or even adequate.

  35. By Darren Urban on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Dave Chaney –

    RE: Vick

    No.

  36. By Darren Urban on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    joe67 –

    RE: Scouts

    Teams send advance scouts as well as using video.

  37. By CORMAC on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    IT was a good game to watch. I still had hope all the way. It would have been BRILLIANT, had the Peterson interception stood and we had won the game. Had such an event occurred , we would be talking about how awesome the Cardinals are. FINISH STRONG :O)

    As to bad calls, it goes both ways. Sometimes you bear the brunt of it, sometimes they go your way against the other team.

    The GOOD: Cardinals Offense- They produced yards and touchdowns with a balanced attack that seemed effective.

    Cardinals Defense- Great pressure on the quarterback. The D-line gave great push and got to the quarterback numerous times.

    The BAD- Cardinals Offense-Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers…They also dropped a lot of balls that should have been caught. Important ones…Most of them dropped at least one, but it seemed Andre was having a hard time. Not with just dropping passes, but he was not fighting for the ball hard enough. Perhaps it was a poorly thrown ball, but its his job to be the defender and I don’t think he did a good job of that. Floyd had the same problem early in the season and the coached hounded him for it with much improvement. They need to get into Andres ear a bit. He needs to be like that guy we used to have “Money” Mike Adams. Fight for the ball like a Wolverine.

    Cardinals Defense- I think some of the rookies forget this is the NFL, and some of those big tight ends can move pretty fast, even if they are big white dudes. They needed to get more physical with Riley Cooper (if that’s possible) that guy was a beast. All in all, I think the back end did not hold up well.

    Special Teams review- Kicking team was decent a few times, but they also let a few break out. They need more gap control and have to shed their blocks. Returns….. I think we need to get more of a jam on the Gunners, they are always in our face. Peterson needs at least five yards to get a run out.

    Summary- I love the cards and support them win or lose. Its fun to be a backseat critic. I think the cards are a good team, but will be hit by cap restrictions the next few years. With the money we have, I think we have a good team. I enjoy watching them 16 times a year. The superbowl was a bonus I never expected, so I am happy for life :O)

  38. By DWall on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    For what its worth….lets not forget the Eagles were coming off the bye week and had extra prep time.

    For those that question Nick Foles…I believe he came from the same high school as Drew Brees…ugh and broke all the records Brees set too. Set a few records here at UofA too.

    Congrats, Darren on ASU (boy that hurts to say it !!) LOL

    Go Cards !!! All is not lost… Play hungry, Mr Peterson, play hungry !!

  39. By Fan in Cho Town on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with ry. The calls did not lose this game for the Cardinals. I will concede that the one on Tyrann for holding on the Peterson interception was especially painful, but you cannot turn the ball over three times, once deep in your own territory, and expect to win a game on the road.

    Also, Housler is a bum, pure and simple. Reminds me of Doucet with his butterfingers.

  40. By HunterSThompson on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Oh Yeah – 2012 NFL Draft

    Cards trade DRC and their second round draft pick (19th in that round, 51st overall) to the Eagles for Kevin Kolb.

    25th pick in round 2 (57th overall) Denver selects QB Brock Osweiller.

    17th pick in round 3 (80th overall) Arizona selects CB Jamell Fleming. 25th pick in round 3 (88th overall) Philadelphia selects QB Nick Foles.

    So, a bit convoluted, but in essence the Cardinals trade a starting cornerback and a draft pick that could have been a good QB prospect to Philly for a good QB prospect (that is all Kolb was)…and then draft a cornerback prospect in round 3 (to replace DRC) ahead of another QB prospect…one who just beat us and is having a record-setting year. Jamell Fleming is currently a backup for Jacksonville.

    Not sure what grinds me more about this – the fact that Philly took advantage of the Cardinals twice in the same offseason, or the fact that a team (the Cardinals) desperate for a future QB somehow does not evaluate the two in-state NCAA starting QBs better than NFL teams from elsewhere. And don’t kid yourself, Brock Osweiller is going to be a very good QB when he finally gets his shot (did you see him in preseason?).

    Final thoughts – the Cardinals traded a draft pick for this upcoming draft to the Raiders for Carson Palmer. The Rams currently have two first round picks within the first 15 selections as part of the RGIII trade…including #3 overall. The 49ers have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds.

    ouch….

  41. By Matthew Thomas on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    The Time is now!!! >:( We need to win the final four games even if we had to face our Division Rivals AND the Titans.

    Remember Is ALL OR NOTHING!!!!

  42. By Matthew Thomas on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    I KNOW Those Penalties Always ruin everything for the team And that game against the eagles was GARBAGE and TERRIBLE NO LIE!!!!

  43. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Agree in part with the pc rhetoric: the 3, by my count, mistaken calls did not get us down 24-7, but each killed what were becoming opportunities to win due to heroic efforts by the Cards’ player late in the game. Feel Dansby’s pain, anger…

    Foles is awkward (but adequate) in the run aspect of that option play yet handles himself very well, makes very few mistakes, impressive. Nice guy too, hard to dislike.

    We can go 11-5 and still not get in, damnation! Well, one at a time, lets get the Rams.

    If Ryan not active yesterday he’ll never play for Cards, imho…

  44. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Fan in Cho Town

    OK. I don’t believe in putting all the blame on refs for lost games. I agree we had plenty of chances and we made plenty of mistakes.

    Usually, the calls go both ways and it evens out. But yesterday in Philly, the refs were letting the CBs get physical on every play except the holding on HB. That play changed the outcome of the game. We would have been in FG range with the possibility to win the game. All changed by a horrible call.

    Think about how many times WRs held up their arms to refs saying holding or PI but there was no flag. Both teams did it. Riley Cooper on the sidelines was begging for a call against Powers.

    The play on Floyd at the end, that guy was holding and getting physical on him. That is fine if you dont want to throw that. But be consistent. To call Shannessy and Honey Badger on holds after letting the guys get physical all game and then not call the eagles on Floyd is the issue I have.

    In a billion dollar industry, in a game with playoff implications, it is dangerous for the league to allow such 1 sided calls to go unchecked. It was very interesting timing that they decide to call HB on a hold as the ball is being picked but never called it all game.

  45. By georgiebird on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Darren
    re Blame
    The offensive line is not an All Star group on that you and I can agree. But when average RBs get 4.5ypc and the QB throws 3 TD passes against a decent team, I would call the OL adequate. And on my previous post, I discussed the disadvantages the OL line has in protecting a slow as well as immobile QB when playing from behind. Let’s be clear here, Peyton and Eli are immobile but they are not slow in their progressions and they are accurate.
    The defense is just as culpable as the offense. The most telling part of the game was after the Cards tied the score at 7-7. On the next kickoff, the Eagles went right down the field and kicked a FG. That was the time for the defense to come up big-and allow nothing (rather than say a FG was better than a TD).
    People on this blog are delusional about the Cards’ defense. And don’t forget, when the score got to be 24-7, the Eagles had some conservative possessions where they were more concerned with running clock.
    Yesterday, the Cards played a good team and, like last year, they were able to stop the run but not the pass. There will be a game soon where the pass defense is fortified and the opponent will run for 200 yards.(once again, like last year).
    The root of the problem on the defense is that none of the front seven require a double team- and that results in the offense having one extra player to account for. In other words, if the tight end was needed to help block CC or DD or DWash, he wouldn’t be killing us downfield.

  46. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Oh Georgie,

    Conservative calls by eagles to run out clock – The eagles were snapping the ball at 16-18 seconds on the play clock. They weren’t working the clock. Even the announcers were having a fit about them not taking the clock down.

    Winning one on ones – The eagles have a good line. Last year, their LT Probowler and first round pick Jason Peters went down. He is back along with the 4th overall pick in Lane Johnson. They protected Foles well but we still had 5 sacks. Abraham had a sack against these tackles as did Shannessey. Not sure if you have any facts to back up your claims.

    TEs are beating everyone around the league. The league has evolved with Belicheck and his two TE offense. Look around, from Gronk, Graham and Thomas, TEs are dominating.

    Why? When you understand football it becomes more clear. Play action forces LBs to play the run first. They assume the TE is blocking and are looking to fill the hole. That one step up is all is needed by these new TEs. From Jordon Cameron to Zack Ertz, they are athletic enough to run past LBs. If you then switch to covering them by safeties, they are larger and can make plays over them.

    This is why I pleaded to draft a guy like Kenny Vaccaro or Eric Reid. Big Safeties that can run. Now you take away the matchup nightmare.

    But to the point, do I think we have a good defense? Yes. 9th in scoring defense is pretty good. Do we have the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens? No. I think that is the issue. Good defenses get beat from time to time. That is what we see. Great defenses shut people down. Carolina is becoming one of those defense. We are not on the great level, but we are good.

    Lets not forget we played an explosive offense with the hottest QB not named Peyton, and the second best RB in the game and after the drive right after half, held them to allow our offense back in the game. If not for a horrible call, PPs pick would have set up the winning drive. Good, not great, but good.

  47. By the way - Dr. G. on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    Just listening to Arians’ response about the refs…. “Here we are working our tails off, and these guys are back at their regular jobs.”

    He is indicating that the refs should be employed on a full time basis and get to be the best they can be, just as in other sports. He is following the standard protocol by sending the tapes to the NFL office for review. Nothing wrong with this. He asks that they just admit the errors that were made….

    Shows guts BA!!! Our players/coaches/staff/fans deserve your defense of things.

    I’ll say it for you BA, despite some poor execution, we got hosed in Philly…..

  48. By georgiebird on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    @ John the Draft Guy,
    All we can agree on is we have a GOOD defense

  49. By the way - Dr. G. on Dec 2, 2013 | Reply

    “Carson Palmer was intercepted twice and lost a fumble, which helped the Eagles build a 17-point lead that ended up being just enough.”

    This is an excerpt from Kyle Odegard’s Turnover Killers article…’nuf said….

    Truth sometimes hurts, but you can’t fix “denial.” Be well fellow fans….

  50. By Big Ken on Dec 4, 2013 | Reply

    You write Jim Dray off and then he does something pretty cool, like score that touch down. Some of the early mocks have the Cardinals drafting a tight end in round one but I just don’t see the importance in Arian’s offense.

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