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“Very difficult equation” with Dansby

Posted by Darren Urban on March 5, 2014 – 12:20 pm

Karlos Dansby will be 33 this year. He is coming off a tremendous season. He is a free agent. And these are the treacherous waters Cardinals General Manager Steve Keim must now maneuver through in his efforts to bring the linebacker back to the Cardinals.

Former Bills and Colts GM Bill Polian, now an ESPN analyst, said today the tough part with a Dansby deal is the dead money it will almost certainly create at some point. Dansby believes he still has a few good years left, but there is always the possibility — again, because of his age — he could be released with years left on whatever deal he would sign.

“People make a big deal out of dead money when they count it up at the end of the year,” Polian said. “Free agency equals dead money. That’s part of the overpayment (in free agency) and it comes with the territory. You are going to have some, always. As a general rule, you want to avoid as much of it as you can, knowing you will have it.

“The issue becomes how do you structure a contract that pays the player commensurately that is cap-friendly and at the same time, avoids dead money. That’s a very, very difficult equation to try and solve. And I feel sorry for Steve trying to get that done. It’s difficult.”

It also makes Dansby’s re-signing before testing the market tough to envision. Dansby won’t truly know what’s out there for him — even with talks allowed as soon as March 8 — until he can really go on a visit or two. Then again, deadlines tend to spur action, and the real deadline here won’t come until next Monday night and Tuesday morning. It’s a fascinating situation moving forward.

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31 Responses to ““Very difficult equation” with Dansby”

  1. By Dan on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    Darren, do you see the Cards possibly going after E.Decker to play the slot since Roberts probably wont be back?

  2. By Darren Urban on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    Dan —

    RE: Decker

    Nope.

  3. By Rugbymuffin on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    I am more concerned with re-signing Matt Shaughnessey.

    Just my opinion.

  4. By All day on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    Texans- Jadaveon Clowney
    Rams- Greg Robinson
    Jaguars- Johnny Manziel
    Browns- Blake Bortles
    Raiders- Sammy Watkins
    Falcons- Jake Mathews
    Buccaneers- Khalil Mack
    Vikings- Teddy Bridgewater
    Bills- Eric Ebron
    Lions- Justin Gilbert
    Titans- Anthony Barr
    Giants- Taylor Lewan
    Rams- Mike Evans
    Bears- C.j Mosley
    Steelers- Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
    Cowboys- Aaron Donald
    Ravens- Zack Martin
    Jets- Marquise Lee
    Dolphins- Morgan Moses
    Cardinals- Darqueeze Dennard
    Packers- Calvin Pryor
    Eagles- Chris Borland
    Bengals- Dee ford
    Chiefs- Odell Beckham jr.
    Chargers- Kony Ealy
    Browns- Carlos Hyde
    Saints- Tim Jernigan
    Panthers- Chris Koujandio
    Patriots- Austin Sefrian-Jenkins
    49ers- Louis Nix III
    Broncos- Ryan Shazier
    Seahawks- Allen Robinson
    This is my full 2014 mock draft. Anyone agree/ disagree just looking for feedback so that I can learn more

  5. By Rich on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    If Karlos isn’t happy with 2 years, $10M total, $6M guaranteed……………let him walk.

  6. By Andy kw on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    I like your thinking Rich.
    Karlos Dansby does not want to be paid $2.25 million like last season so lets double his contract instead of paying $5 million per year. Make a 2yr $9 million contract $4.5 million per year with $5 million guaranteed. Every little bit counts.

    -All Day
    Why would we draft Darqueze Denard in the 1st Round? It is CB Justin Gilbert or no cornerback at all in the first. No other CB is deserving of the first round other than Gilbert of Oklahoma State.
    We could focus on the pass rush or find weapons for Palmer’s arsenal. For the pass rush, we could draft DE Dee Ford of Auburn to convert to LOLB or OLB C.J. Mosley (they should be available at #20) . We could draft a TE such as Eric Ebron, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins or TE Jace Amaro. (Ebron is unlikely though)

    2nd Round is complicated. We could sign an OT in FA and that means we won’t draft a tackle here. We can hope that we find SS Deone Buccannon here or hope he drops to the 3rd round. But we can draft a Fast slot receiver here. There are many impressive ones so I can’t name them all. We should draft Keith McGill in the 4th. He is impressive. Kelcy Quarles should be considered.

  7. By Itsallinthecards on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    On ESPN’s Free Agent Tracker – Bill Polian has Karlos ranked as a C level free agent. It says he should command the following in the market: C level free agents get $2 million or less average annual value, 2 years or fewer guaranteed money.

    I sure hope the entire NFL feels that way. If so I like our chances of getting him back on the cheap. He had a great year in Miami before we got him on a one year deal worth $2.25M. Hopefully we’ll get him on about the same deal this year.

  8. By MostlyRight on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    But PFT has Dansby as the 23rd best FA. He won’t be $2 million a year, but he won’t be the number I assume he has in his head either.

  9. By infitzwetrust on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    I bet the offer we gave him the day after the season ended hasn’t gone up a cent. Lets stick to our guns and let him walk if need be.

    If he wasn’t so old — in the football world the dudes AARP eligible — It would make sense to pay him well.

    All in all, He probably will go to the highest bidder. Oh well.

  10. By ored on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    the only reason for dansby poor ranking would be his age,but look at abraham,i think he is worth a raise within reason.

    no.1 need still has’nt changed,we need o-line help,safety help,and somebody to return kicks with speed to open up the offense…do those and we can worry about pass rush the next year,who knows maybe we already have it covered and just don’t know it yet,seeing we had so many injuries last year.

  11. By Credit Card on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    Agreed about Eric Decker — don’t pursue him.

    Lets’ face it, rarified thin air and Payton Manning can make a granny in a walker look half way decent as a wide out.

  12. By joe holst on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    They need him badly especially if D.Wash is suspended again,

  13. By clssylssy on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    I think the difficulty here is that Keim knows how valuable Dansby is to our defense, that he got him for a steal last season,and Karlos has earned the right to be paid on his merit ,however, Keim doesn’t want to appear a soft negotiator. If Dansby (#23 Top Free Agents) goes to another team and we suffer, the fans are not going to stand for it. We are on the cusp of pulling ahead in the West and could be a contender to go to our own Superbowl here in the valley BUT Keim is going to have to win this off season chess game. The Seahawks are rumored to be interested in Jimmy Graham and it would seem that the Cards should be in that bidding war as well if we are to secure our position. Juggling the necessary funds will require the kind of wizardry I’m not sure Keim can pull off. We have a chance to be relevant and become a force at last, Fitz has restructured his contract to help the team to that end. There is some great talent out there who would probably be excited to be a part of something new and explosive here with the Cards based upon how we ended last season. It’s a sale that’s totally doable. Hopefully, now that victory is in sight and we have the opportunity to run with the big dogs, the Cards front office won’t wimp out and go back to their miserly ways. I hate losing Andre Roberts but I’m hoping he’ll end with Coach Ken in Nashville and getting Jimmy Graham would be another playmaker for the offense to make the loss more palatable. Good luck to Steve Keim at this crucial juncture for our team’s future. Now the fans get to see how the Manager of the Year follows up!

  14. By Dr. G. on Mar 5, 2014 | Reply

    Rich – Yup – Never been a fan of the Los chest pounding. He still does not realize that ((I’m repeating)) his success is a direct result of the coaching schemes that he was placed in…and too, having DWash among others to cover everything else is very instrumental. A reasonable offer, yeah, the lottery, nope. He missed a bunch of plays, one comes to mind of the ball that went whizzing by his ear hole into the arms of Megatron for 6 points!

    In a venting mood – Lovin’ this duo, but Arians/Keim are reported to have major concerns on defending the TE’s, so we look for at least one long and tall defender this Spring so that we won’t be last in the league in that category. Duh… With coordinating thinking, it should follow that we would bring on the Stallion TE to create the same problems for opposing teams… This draft has a couple TE’s that fit that billing… Gentlemen, go get one of them, please! This is one of our top 3 needs… Housler’s historical performance and injuries are not remarkable… G’day…Cards fans.

  15. By rod on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Pretty sure Keim will stick to his guns.

  16. By Louisville Card on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    Tough decision on Dansby for the cards…with their new outlook on contract offers how many days into free agency do you think they’ll give Carlos until they go plan b and sign Jackson? To me it seems like he would only have a week at most to pick a direction…

  17. By Big Ken on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    D’Qwell signs with the Colts. I wasn’t completely sold on him.

  18. By carlo milano on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Super darren i have a question for u.
    Free agency starts march 11.
    I know there is a 3 days window where teams can contact player’s agent.it is possible some soeculation will start or possible signings can be almost official before march 11?

  19. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: March 8/11

    I will be posting a story on this later today, but no, nothing can be official before March 11. Does it mean something could be announced minutes after the FA period starts? Yes it could. Not for this team, though.

  20. By Big Ken on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    10 to 12 Mil. over two years, I think is a pretty good deal for an aging ILB. After March 11 HIS competition could increase.

  21. By Kevin on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    D’Qwell Jackson (Age 30) basically just set the tone for what Dansby will most likely get per year and also guaranteed money. D’Qwell just got 4 yrs, 5.5 per with 11 mil (1/2 of the $$ Guaranteed). At Dansby’s age there is no way a team is going to give him 4yrs, 5.5 mil per. I could see a senario where we offer Dansby 3 years 16-17 mil total, with 8 mil guaranteed. Front load the contract where most of the money is paid in the 1st two years and then if he needs to be released the 3rd year the dead $$ will be very little.

  22. By Kevin on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Darren

    With Reports the d. Hester will not be brought back by the Bears, do you think that Keim and company would be interested? He could take over the duties on Punts and Kick and with his speed and open field vision could be the perfect person in BA’s offense to take the top of the other teams defence. What are your thoughts?

  23. By Islandofmisfitcards on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Darren:

    Any chance the Cardinals make a run on Champ Bailey for a short term deal? If we did it would have to interest Dansby because that just improves the teams defense depth, professionalism and knowledge for a run at a championship this year. Granted he is older but with Tyrann coming back Peterson being a stud and an open spot at safety we could even move him there and draft a corner if we really wanted… just saying and only wondering your thoughts

  24. By D on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    So much for gaining any leverage talking to Jackson in regards to Dansby’s current offer…D. Hester is a player that could still play at a high level…his services could help this team if he doesn’t want to break the bank…

  25. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Kevin —

    RE: Hester

    I think Hester’s best days as a receiver are over. As far as bringing in a separate return guy, I don’t see it.

  26. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Island —

    RE: Bailey

    I don’t see Champ, at his age, fitting into what they are doing. I could be wrong.

  27. By Chris on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Heard some days ago that Dansbys Agent didn’t get that offer yet, that BA referred to. Which side´s report could you verify?

  28. By Darren Urban on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Chris —

    RE: Dansby/BA

    I’ve seen Karlos saying there hasn’t been an offer, but that doesn’t mean his agent hasn’t heard anything. Why exactly would BA lie about that?

  29. By All day on Mar 6, 2014 | Reply

    Andy KW- this is my slightly modified mock. But personally I just don’t see us taking a DE or and LB unless it’s a guy like Barr or Clowney, TE on the other hand yes. But I don’t necessarily see one specific position that we absolutely need except OT but there won’t be anyone at that point worthy of a first round pick. And I am hoping we get Albert In FA
    Texans- Jadaveon Clowney
    Rams- Greg Robinson
    Jaguars- Johnny Manziel
    Browns- Blake Bortles
    Raiders- Sammy Watkins
    Falcons- Jake Mathews
    Buccaneers- Khalil Mack
    Vikings- Teddy Bridgewater
    Bills- Eric Ebron
    Lions- Justin Gilbert
    Titans- Anthony Barr
    Giants- Taylor Lewan
    Rams- Mike Evans
    Bears- C.j Mosley
    Steelers- Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
    Cowboys- Aaron Donald
    Ravens- Zack Martin
    Jets- Marquise Lee
    Dolphins- Morgan Moses
    Cardinals- Austin Sefirian- Jenkins
    Packers- Calvin Pryor
    Eagles- Chris Borland
    Bengals- Dee ford
    Chiefs- Odell Beckham jr.
    Chargers- Kony Ealy
    Browns- Carlos Hyde
    Saints- Tim Jernigan
    Panthers- Chris Koujandio
    Patriots- Jace Amaro
    49ers- Louis Nix III
    Broncos- Ryan Shazier
    Seahawks- Allen Robinson

  30. By Chris on Mar 7, 2014 | Reply

    Re Karlos / BA

    I don’t know Darren, that´s why I’m asking you ;)
    But, why should the Agent don’t tell Dansby? And don’t you think that Dansby would recheck with his Agent before denying BA´s explanation?

    All in all i think its a weird situation. Especially after both sides expressed their desire to get a deal done.

  31. By Steve on Mar 7, 2014 | Reply

    Dansby needs to think where the grass has been greener in his career. It certainly wasn’t in Miami. Being an important part of the Cardinals success last year in addition to the promise for the 2014 season to make the playoffs and hopefully become the first team to play the Super Bowl on their own home field, he needs to be a team player realizing that his career in the ‘mid afternoon’ and may not get another chance to get to Super Bowl. You know if he were to be picked up by say Seattle, Denver, SF, New England, etc. they are going to offer him less money than what the Cardinals are offering. No team in rebuilding mode like Cleveland, NY Jets, etc. is going to sign a veteran like Dansby during a youth movement.

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