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A Logan Thomas laser and rookie minicamp

Posted by Darren Urban on May 23, 2014 – 3:42 pm

Arizona State wide receiver Kevin Ozier turned back to the line of scrimmage about 20 yards downfield near the end of Friday’s rookie minicamp practice, just in time to see the missile en route from quarterback Logan Thomas. The ball was just a tad low, and Ozier caught it in his midsection, falling to his knees as he did so. Although “caught” might not quite be the right word, because the ball arrived with such force it almost seemed like it was going to stick in Ozier’s abdomen regardless.

Thomas’ rocket right arm was on full display during the workout inside the Cardinals’ practice bubble. Thomas has gotten reps during OTAs on the second field, but rookie minicamp is almost all his, taking practically every rep Friday. (Tryout QB Eric Kordenbrock from VMI is on hand, but Thomas didn’t need a break, at least Friday.)

“It’s a great start for me,” Thomas said. “It takes time. It’s not something that happens overnight.”

Coach Bruce Arians said Thomas’ biggest hurdle to clear is breaking himself of trying to decide where to throw as he is dropping back. Arians wants him to drop back first and get his feet right.

“When he knows what he is doing, and the guys around him know what he is doing, he’s pretty good,” Arians said.

– It’s almost impossible to know exactly who did well, given all the mistakes that were happening. Arians admitted there were a couple of tryout guys that impressed him (he didn’t say who, specifically) and there were a couple of other rookies that have been around since last week that made more mistakes than he would’ve liked. Again, if the Cardinals decide to sign any of the tryout players, they will have to cut someone from their already full 90-man roster.

– WR John Brown has been out the last couple of days with hamstring tightness. Arians said he will be very careful with the third-round pick. “He was too impressive the first few days not only speed and catching the ball but he didn’t make any mistakes,” Arians said. “One of the first rookies I’ve had that in the first three days he wasn’t on the busted assignment sheet.”

– The Cardinals have 17 players in for tryouts this weekend. (For a full roster of the weekend, click here.) Other than Ozier, who played at ASU here in Tempe, the one other name of note is running back Jalen Parmele. Parmele actually has five years of NFL experience, and was a sixth-round pick of Miami back in 2008. He spent training camp with the Titans last season.

– Arians said he was also happy with third-round defensive end Kareem Martin. “We have to slow him down,” Arians said. “I’d rather say ‘Whoa’ than ‘Sic ‘em,” but he’s around the quarterback way too much. He’s doing a heck of a job. He’s more powerful than I thought he’d be.”

Arians did caution against linemen praise right now, however. “You don’t say much about linemen when we are playing soccer,” Arians said. “When the noise level goes up and they get hit in the mouth and the blood flows a little bit, then I’ll talk about linemen. But he’s been impressive so far in shorts.”

 


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38 Responses to “A Logan Thomas laser and rookie minicamp”

  1. By Dr. G. on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    I could not get through the first paragraph without breaking into a grin. The big arm will work very well in short patterns too. The receivers just need to adjust to the speed of the ball untill Thomas learns the right amount of power needed in various situations. Some will remember when Elway bounced the ball off the WR’s chest because of a little too much heave. Thomas has a good situation to work on.

    I don’t have a feel yet for how Palmer will handle this, but if he plays the roll of Don Quixote with the promise that Sancho Panza ((Thomas)) will inevitably govern, he will have been a great tutor to the protege after he retires. When I analyze Palmer, I see a future coaching career with his calm, confident, analytic demeanor.

    Now, it looks like Kareem will be a great pick as well. He comes in wanting to “cream” the opposition. We need to figure a nick name out of that…. Lovin it Cards Fans! …. Thanks Darren…

  2. By Dr. G. on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    Irrelevant question – Darren –

    If DWash is handed a suspension soon during pre-season training, does that eliminate him from camp activities, clubhouse and pre-season games as well…in other words immediately? If it does, perhaps the later, the better….

  3. By Darren Urban on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Suspensions

    Suspensions apply to the regular season, in this case. He won’t be able to practice then, but he can go to meetings. It will not preclude him from offseason/training camp/preseason games.

  4. By krehbieo14 on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    Logan has a lot of positive qualities, including athleticism, size, arm strength and smarts. Old habits die hard, but what’s the hurry here? Every QB new to the NFL goes through a process of finding his way through a learning curve. The problem arises when a team is under the gun to use their rookie prematurely. That’s not helpful to the team nor the player.

  5. By lolo on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    It’s clear now that Docket is helping Eric and Kareem is getting help from Calais,also the safeties seem to be helping Deon.

    Does Larry or Floyd ever help the rookie receivers out because they are quieter players. From my observations it seem like they don’t.Kind of a shame when Fitz and Floyd are so elite.

  6. By carlo milano on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    I was sure about martin value,great pick.
    Darren from what u could u see of Thomas,has been accurate?

  7. By infitzwetrust on May 23, 2014 | Reply

    Off topic, but hats off to the Seahawks organization for the class act move they pulled on their 6th round pick that they were forced to cut due to a rare heart condition.

    They still signed the guy and gave him his bonus and whole years salary knowing they were going to cut him anyways.

    Respect for the enemy.

  8. By LadyBird04 on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    A little concerned about the 20 yard laser. We had a qb who threw lasers so hard they bounced off hands – remember Derek Anderson. Needs to get some “touch” on his throws especially the short to mid range ones..

    Glad to hear Brown is doing things correctly so quickly. Hope the hamstring isn’t going to be a problem going forward. Probably just pushing too hard in his excitement about getting to the NFL.

    Also good to read so many of our vets are working so hard to help the newbies get assimilated to the NFL and the Cards system.

    Go Cards!

  9. By Andy Kw on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    We have to be patient with Logan Thomas. We cannot rush him like we did with John Skelton. Keep him healthy, let him adapt to the system, and give him patience.

  10. By Darren Urban on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    lolo —

    RE: WR help

    I think, unless you are out here every day, I’m not sure how you are observing anything.

  11. By Darren Urban on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Thomas

    Way too early to tell.

  12. By cardsalltheway on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Ryan Lindley should be counting down his days. I’m not sure if Logan Thomas can ever be more accurate than Lindley but if he comes close he could have more upside.

    lolo,
    “Does Larry or Floyd ever help the rookie receivers out because they are quieter players.”

    They do, but you can’t hear them because they’re so quiet.

  13. By cardsalltheway on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Hyundai on the heart of team player’s jerseys? That’s disgusting. I would never buy a Hyundai and I’d bet anyone that not one player on the Cards roster has bought and paid for a Hyundai for themselves since they signed a contract(buying one for someone else doesn’t count). I know they’re not pulling up in Santa Fe’s, so the only other possibility would be a Genesis? Possible, yes. Probable, No Way! That Hyundai patch isn’t going to be on the player’s heart during the regular season is it?

  14. By red bird of death! on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Thomas I feel could be great but he should ride the bench this year like they plan him to, Lindley I think could still be good but somewhere else.

  15. By ored on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    looking at pics of logan signing…looks so much like skelton,hoping this time around he gets the training needed and he’s our answer post palmer.nice to hear that he’s confident and is getting credit for what he does,now just build on that.

    we’re doing things the right way this time,solidifying the o-line not only brings calm to the qb but helps the run game,bringing help to the return game helps field position,speed recievers spread the field and a strong armed qb can go deep or have the zip for tight windows,and last but not least,cards defense keeps things under control.as good a job BA and coaches have been doing…keim is king,he just keeps building a juggernaught…kudos. with the direction we’re going every season brings anticipation instead of just hope,and what makes it even sweeter is the division we’re in and the players attitude of wanting nothing less than to play the best,gotta love that attitude.

  16. By AZfan1830 on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Cardsalltheway
    Its called advertisement / product placement. Hyundai has been on the practice jerseys for several years. They get their logo on the news, internet, or ESPN whenever there is coverage from practice. Who cares if any players drive their cars. I bet you think Kevin Love actually eats taco bell too!

  17. By Cody Zarr on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    I’m too lazy to Google currently; Do we know Mr. Thomas’ Wonderlic score?

  18. By Cody Zarr on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    Actually I felt bad and tried to find it after I posted that, but I came up empty. Did he take the test that you know of?

  19. By br on May 24, 2014 | Reply

    I know it is very early in Thomas’s Cardinals career, but it is nice to see posters coming around with positive comments on him, I have been high on this guy for a few yrs now, and have been posting on here for months leading up to the draft how he needed to be a Cardinal, and now that he actually is I cant wait for him to be the future of this franchise!! (Though i realize it best for both team and Logan that he sit and learn for a couple yrs, getting max reps in preseason, and garbage time…would love to see him as a red zone regular weapon starting early this year, As i posted many times before he is an athfreak and im wlling to bet he can be a potent weapon in the redzone lining up at WR, RB, TE, SLOT or even QB, line him up at different positions every trip into the red zone, willing to bet it will baffle 99% of the defenses and our red zone efficiency will skyrocket! (Can already pictiure in my mind him lining up at HB running a sweep then stepping back and tossing the HB pass for a TD, or running QB read option and keeping the ball and carrying 3-4guys into the endzone! not to mention the mismatch he would be for any DB on the corner fade route or just a screen pass to him either a HB screen or a WR screen can just see the defensive faces they got this wall of beef coming at them once the screen is set up, and behind that the guy with the ball is 6-5 and 250lbs, and he is closing on you very quickly cuz he runs a 4.5-4.6ish…almost impossible to stop that kind of “avalanche”!!! Oh I cant wait!! Then in 2, or possibly 3yrs he takes the reins at QB and is a cornerstone for the next 10-12yrs!!!!

  20. By Darren Urban on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    Cody —

    RE: Thomas wonderlic

    I’m sure he did. I do not know the score.

  21. By Cory on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    Logan Thomas Wonderlic: 29

    That’s not bad and intelligence shouldn’t be an issue with his development. That score is higher than these prospects that went before him in the draft.

    Blake Bortles – 28
    Derek Carr – 23
    Teddy Bridgewater – 20

  22. By Andy Kw on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Darren,
    Any chance for Eric Winston to come back to the Cardinals?

  23. By Danram on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    I’m pretty sure Thomas had the 2nd highest Wunderlich score of all the QBs tested this year.

    He’s a very smart kid, tough as nails, very coachable, carries zero “off the field” risk, and his physical attributes are off the charts.

    When he had NFL-caliber players around him during his sophomore season at Virginia Tech (Jarrett Boykin, David Wilson, Danny Coale, etc.), he was very good. When his supporting cast dropped drastically in quality the next two years, so did his performance.

    The other posters in this thread have been right-on-the money. If Cardinals fans can be patient with Thomas and let him learn as a backup for a few years, they could wind up with a very good NFL QB down the road.

  24. By Darren Urban on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    Andy Kw —

    RE: Winston

    Never say never, but I do not expect it right now.

  25. By kenparrish53 on May 25, 2014 | Reply

    Logan Thomas will be a great TIGHT END in the NFL. GO, HOKIES!

  26. By br on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Smarts should not be an issue, Va Tech not to shabby when it comes to academics!
    On a side note…Hope everyone has a pleasant Memorial Day, enjoy it with family and friends! Please take a few moments to remember those in the Armed Forces who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our nation, and laid down their life so that others may live free. Please remember their family’s as well. Memorial Day is a day to reflect, and in your own way honor all the fallen heroes throughout this great nations history, also to give thanks to all veterans, no matter your political affiliation or your personal feelings about the past or present conflicts this nation has seen. Speaking from experience when it comes right down to it those of us who have been in combat are not fighting for a belief or an idea, certainly not fighting for a political party…no, when it comes down to it we are only fighting for one thing, and that is EACH OTHER, were fighting for that man or woman that is next to you, trying to ensure that we all come back alive, and that is truly all that matter to the men & women of the Military, and ” fighting for your buddy next to you” has been the sole reason for many generations of military men & woman. So to all my fellow veterans out in Cardinal kingdom, THANK YOU for your Service and Sacrifice! Hope everyone has a blessed Memorial Day!!! And remember, #1 on any “planning list” should be…”plan to have fun”!!

  27. By louis on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    To all the Cardinals fans: Please do not disrespect any sports writers about the Arizona Cardinals and their predictions about where they’re going to end up this year. They know more about the team and have more knowledge than we do. I’ve been a Cardinals fan for 40 years, and it makes a lot of sense what they’re saying. They’re just like the old Cardinals -you can’t predict them.

  28. By Glenn W on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Jalen Parmele played at Toledo.

  29. By Dr. G. on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    br – Semper Fi – I don’t think this has ever been done on a consistent basis, but I may be in favor of occasionally playing Thomas as a TE, a Blocker, or a Decoy just to get him on the field to get some regular contact. When he is ready, he can be Big Ben, Jr. This would be an easier transition vs starting cold. But, we will see him in the pre-season….can’t wait to see how he handles it.

    Cody – Have you ever wondered how you would do on the Wunderlich ((correct spelling)) Test? You can log in to take it if you are curious. Please report your results. You have a surprise coming!

    Danram – Not a “few” years….One year should do it. But, if Palmer has a stellar year, it will be impossible to displace him. Rogers waited 3 years, remember?

    Be well Cards Fans…. Patriotism!

  30. By Dr. G. on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    louis – On the Talking Hairdo’s – Your quote – “They’re just like the old Cardinals -you can’t predict them.” You think all sports writers are more informed that we and the Card’s bloggers?

    I think that intense Cards’ Fans who study the team have a better feel that most of the sports writers who yearn for ratings and only occasionally review our team. They feed off each other’s rumors and opinions and just reverberate one another. They were wrong more than a majority of the time during pre-draft.

    Someone like Darren who is more hands-on has more accurate information and virtually no hyperbole just to get ratings brings legitimate value. We don’t find him guessing very often. I appreciate the info I get from various sources, but it comes with entertainment value and many grains of salt… Be well…

  31. By kenparrish53 on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    I’ve watched Logan Thomas for four years at VT.He made NO improvement at QB. Zero. The numbers don’t lie. He came to VT to play TE but Beamer moved him to QB. Bad move on Beamer’s part!

  32. By Dave B on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Ben Parrish is on the money. Thomas looked above average his first year, because he was surrounded by all world talent at VT. Hes had pretty good receivers since that first year, but his accuracy is horrible, his d reads are horrible, his option reads are horrible. He’s not a qb so it’s not his fault. He would be a Jeremy Shockey at TE minus the Shockey injuries. Would probably be a perennial probowl te. Thomas is very durable and tough and likes to run shoulder first at linebackers, way too often. He gave his all at VT and we love him but it’s a shame he was moved from TE.

  33. By br on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Kenparrish53
    Thomas made strides at Va Tech, admittedly sometimes he struggled but he had NO, ZERO, NONE at allWR’s that could catch the ball my friend. And as you said yourself he came in as a TE, a vvery highly rated TE I might add! He showed so much promise in his last year in high school as a QB that he stuck and impressed most of the so called experts!! He has only played QB in college and one yr in hs, but yet he was top 10 QB in all the so called”EXPERTS” lists, as high as #4 QB! I have followed Logan as well, if you look back in these blogs i was lobbying hard for Cards to draft him (probably the only one begging them to draft him) He had me in awe first time i saw him play watched him every week and knew this kid was something special, figured Cards could pick him up in 5th rd with no harm done, but he would have been gone before our 5th rd pick was on the clock! He will be a cornerstone for the Cardinals, our QB of the future right up there with with niners and seahawks QB’s when all is said and done he will finish with better career numbers than Kaep and maybe even Wilson if we keep good WR’s around him!! He is going to be very good for yrs to come!! HOF? probably not… Cards ROH? im guessing yes, as well as a few team MVP’s and a couple or three SB trophies!! And hey, on the slim (thats razor thin) chance he dpesnt quite pan out as a QB, he can always convert to TE, and Multipurpose Redzone weapon, would not surprise me a bit if he were to make multiple all-pro teams year in and year out as a TE!! So it was a win-win draft pick for Arizona!!

  34. By br on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Dr G
    You hit the nail right on the head! I have been a Cardinal fan all 48 yrs Ive been on this earth, and used to say the same thing (because they were!) but the last 5-6yrs they have not been the same old Cardinals, its been like night and day, huge philosophical (no i cant spell worth a damn!!) change! Just look at the FA that we have signed, no veteran free agent used to ever want to play for “the same old Cardinal’s ” now if we want/need a FA we are going to sign them or at least make a hell of a run at him!! Some come knocking at our door now, in the past that never happened, you sir, are 100% correct in your assessment NOT amy where near the Same old Cardinals!!

  35. By br on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Darren
    All this talking/blogging with other self professed lifelong Cardinal fans got me curious, not sure if you will see this buried at the bottom of an older blog….but was wondering if if you were a lifelong Cardinal fan as well, sid you bleed bird red prior to your chosen profession, or did your loyalties lie elsewhere?? Just curious, not that it matters at all if you didnt “see the light” from an early age, since now you are the undisputed Commanding Officer of the Birdgang now!! : )

  36. By br on May 26, 2014 | Reply

    Dr G
    I wasnt thinking of a permanent spot either, dont want your QB of the future out there on a consistent basis taking the risk of serious injury, but I think it will make him a better QB if he knows what all the other skill positions are supposed to do and actually going thru it, hands on work will only speed his QB development, and he is a legit “super weapon” in my humble opinion, so it will only benefit the team as well. If by some slim chance the Cards staff decide he cant cut it as an NFL QB the spot work at pther positions can only be a positive when he transitions to TE or even SR. I truly believe if he becomes a Tight End or Slot Receiver in the future that he will be a an all-pro caliber, with multiple trips tp the pro bowl, and will rewrite the Cardinals record books for TE’s. But first things first, I lobbied on here for months tp draft Logan Thomas as our QB of the future, I tend to believe he is Kurt Warner with Mike Vick rushing abilities!! At least if im wrong the “crow” will go down a little easier with a helping of all-pro TE “gravy” smothered over the top! : ) He is just to good of an athlete for him not to be a win-win pick for both the team and Logan.

  37. By Darren Urban on May 27, 2014 | Reply

    br —

    RE: “fan”

    I moved to Arizona when I was 6, 12 years before the Cardinals came to the state. When I first started paying attention to sports, I latched on to the Steelers because of a jersey my mom bought for me at a garage sale. Growing up here I hoped the Cards would do well, but I was getting into college/journalism the same time the team moved here and frankly, there wasn’t really an NFL team for which I pulled for hard because that wasn’t what I was supposed to do.

    Obviously, I have multiple personal reasons for wanting the Cards to do well now. But I still feel I am not, by most definitions, a fan. Sometimes that seems to irritate some fans.

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