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Giants aftermath, with a Stanton twist

Posted by Darren Urban on September 14, 2014 – 4:56 pm

Carson Palmer couldn’t play. Might not be able to play, at least another game. So that gives you … a Bruce Arians shrug. “Drew’s a starter in this league in my opinion,” Arians said. “Always has been.”

Drew being Drew Stanton, of course, and he was at a starter Sunday. Unlike the recent past, where backup quarterbacks would come in for the Cardinals and it usually meant problems – although at that time, the starters weren’t all that good either – this team is equipped to live through something like the quarterback going down and still coming away, after a cross country flight, with a victory.

The Giants are not the 49ers, of course, and if Stanton is still in the lineup next week, the Cards aregoing to have to up their overall game. The same can be said even if Palmer plays, realistically. But 2-0 is certainly much better than any of the alternatives.

The fact Stanton didn’t turn the ball over was a big deal. Sure, Eli Manning had better stats, but Stanton avoided causing his team trouble. Arians said Stanton played better than his stats would indicate. Perhaps. Stanton does need to capitalize on a couple of red-zone attempts – he wasn’t that close on some throws and another touchdown would have made life a lot easier – but he looks like a guy who knows the offense.

— When Palmer comes back is anyone’s guess. He kept talking about the nerve “waking up.” I would think it will be ready when it’s ready. Arians said he’s looking at this long-term with most of the season to go, so I’d expect Stanton against San Francisco if Palmer isn’t sure. Then again, if Palmer was possible to play Sunday Arians was going to put him in, so it sounds like it’s on Carson.

— What a day for special teams coordinator Amos Jones. Bad kickoff returns from Ted Ginn – Arians said he might be firing Ginn from that part of the game – and another punt block, this time because protector Robert Hughes allowed Rashad Jennings to push him back enough so that Jennings could get a hand on the ball. That’s two blocks in two games because of a poor block. But then Ginn snapped off his 71-yard return – and Ginn most certainly isn’t leaving punt returns – showing off his hellaspeed, and then Kenny Demens knocked loose the ensuing kickoff return for a fumble the Cardinals turned into a field goal.

— It was a rough game for Patrick Peterson. It did not help the physical cornerback was in a game with an officiating crew that was taking the edict on emphasizing illegal contacts/defensive holding very seriously. But Peterson said after he has to adapt, and he’s right. There is no other choice. The TD he gave up on the fade to Reuben Randle was a nice throw and a great one-handed catch from Randle, but in the end, that’s the kind of play Peterson – who now carries the weight and expectations of being the highest-paid cornerback – has to make.

— Andre Ellington was excellent Sunday. He nearly got to 100 yards – 91, actually – on only 15 carries, and this is a guy who isn’t 100 percent. Ellington said he isn’t even sure if he’ll be 100 percent at any point because his foot only gets better with rest and the bye week may not be enough time. Regardless, if he plays like Sunday, he and the Cardinals will make it work. The guy is a threat with his speed to get a first-down running on third-and-14, like he did Sunday.

— Safe to say going with Chandler Catanzaro was a good call? The kid looks good.

— For those scoring at home, that’s Cardinals 27, opponents 0 in the fourth quarter this season. And a pair of fourth-quarter comebacks.

— Fitz was back. Ten targets, six catches (for 51 yards). Almost had a touchdown, and should’ve have another catch for 36 yards had Jared Veldheer not been caught facemasking a pass rusher.

— Big game for Calais Campbell. A team-high 10 tackles, three tackles for loss, a sack, and would’ve had a another sack (and forced fumble the Cardinals recovered) if not for one of those pesky illegal contacts. He has to play like the great player he is for this defense to survive all its losses.

— Antonio Cromartie made a great play on that third down bomb late in the game to Randle, getting his hand in just enough to mess up a potential catch. That hits, and all kinds of drama. Instead, the Cardinals stopped the Giants the next play, and the game was over.

— Larry Foote on his game-ending interception: “There’s a dirty rumor going around my locker room that I can’t catch,” Foote said. “I told ’em I’d catch it when it counts.” Looked Fitz-like to me.

— Tyrann Mathieu with only a few plays (but his first tackle). It’s going to be a slow process, but he’s back on the field.

— The Seahawks lost. On the road, but it was to a Chargers team the Cardinals just beat. Yes, the NFC West should be interesting all year.

Rueben Randle, Patrick Peterson


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40 Responses to “Giants aftermath, with a Stanton twist”

  1. By azqfan on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Hopefully we won’t see any moronic, “let’s make Drew the new starting Qb over Plamer”, garbage.

  2. By wampag on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    2-0 is sweet safe trip home D

  3. By JohnnyBluenose on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    A win is a win. There was a lot of pressure on Stanton and not enough on Manning. We made the plays when we had to. That’s more than can be said for Victor Cruz. A lot more. I think our bye week will come at a good time. We will need the time to get healthier and work out some of the kinks in our game. Starting 2-0 is pretty good. Keep going.

  4. By Fan in Chi Town on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    First off, nice that we got the win. I cannot say anything bad about the offense as Ellington was good, and Stanton was a serviceable backup. He won a road game. You can’t ask for more than that.

    The defense did not look good. We had almost no pass rush. Manning had all day to throw on a lot of possessions. As was stated in the article, Peterson had a really bad day. So far, Cromartie looks like the corner the Bidwills should have paid.

    I do not feel comfortable with this 2-0 start. We’ve beat two teams whose receivers dropped a lot of catchable balls and today whose running back fumbled while tripping over himself. Had that not happened and the receivers held onto some of those we might be looking at 0-2.

    Here’s hoping the Bears bring it tonight.

  5. By br in nc on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Fan in Chi Town,
    I didn’t get to see the game (here in NC its all Panthers, all the time) but weren’t some of those dropped passes because our DB’s (minus PP, from all I have read he had another unimpressive showing) had a hand in there to break up the passes, or they were playing the WR’s in a good position forcing Eli to put the ball in a perfect spot?? Or were there an abundance of just wide open blatent drops?? Our “D” seemed to have another stellar day shutting down the Giants ground game, what did they end up with, 81yards?

    As far as SF, the Bears WR’s are an excellent group, some experts say the Bears WR’s are the best in NFL, but our Cardinals WR’s are very close to the Bears ( although biased, I think the Cards have the best group of WR’s) but the Bears three 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter (we have 2 out of 2 4th quarter comebacks now) Bears must have saw some weakness in SF secondary and exploited it, if there is a weakness, you can bet BA will try and do the same, as well, Kaep threw 3 int’s at home, with our fan noise (those of you that will be at the stadium next week for San Fran have to bring the noise boys!!) should fluster Kaep, plus our secondary is better than the Bears, granted PP has to step up and play like the highest paid CB in the NFL, and not like some recent practice squad signer, he has not played well at all, I think he would be the first to admit that! Plus we have the added motivation of being atop the division at 2-0, and this being the first division game, I think our Beloved Cardinals come out looking sharp and move to 3-0!!
    And NP, I don’t want to make it 3 in a row 4th quarter comebacks, would rather take the lead early, and never look back! But I will take another 4th quarter comeback next week, a win is a win!!
    Question Chi town ( or anyone still reading this) – Did we beat a really good Charger team, or did Seattle beat themselves?? Or is Seattle just not as good as they were last year??
    Or, is it just to early to tell either way??

  6. By cardinal on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Great team win ….hope 49ers get beat up tonight , tired of losing to them past 5 years . Darren all 3 of our 2 point conversion attempts so far this season , have been terrible plays.

  7. By SteveG on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Bravo Mr. Stanton..May not have won the game but sure played well enough for a team win!! Rusty but smart was my impression..

    In years gone by it would have been the Cards that would have self destructed as NY did today…Instead we make the plays when they need to be made (And all those drops the last 2 weeks by the opposition sure don’t hurt).

    Swift recovery to all those players that are folded, spindled or mutilated….WE need you all for SF!!

    3-0 looks a real possibility…(That would be at the top of the NFC West..Yep..that would not suck)

    GO CARDS!

  8. By br in nc on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Yep, have to say I was a Tad bit off on my prediction of Stanton…posted he would step in and have a monster game, but hey, I also noted I had confidence in him managing the game well enough for a win, and he had ZERO interceptions,that has to count for something, right?? LOL!!
    On a serious note, I think he did quite well, considering he hasn’t taken a snap since 2010 (in a regular season game) that is a huge amount of rust to knock off, bravo Mr. Stanton!!

  9. By CreditCard on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    To travel across the country, play a historic prideful team with several second string players (including your QB) and leave with a win — good team victory.

  10. By BirdsSTC on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Atta boy Stanton. Well done sir.

  11. By georgiebird on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Very impressed with Stanton’s field presence. The play calling was a little ragged especially the two point conversion try.
    One of the problems with the defense is that our LBs don’t have the combination of strength and speed to push the pile and get to the QB. These same LBs leave the middle open and we get killed by the TE.

  12. By Scott H on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    No, NOT a good day for Peterson. And we were VERY LUCKY he didn’t draw a flag and 15 yards ( or maybe an ejection from the game ??? ) for bumping the ref, which he clearly did, intentional or not. I thought that was gonna be a disaster. We should all be grateful the refs had a cool head on that one. If that was a Giants defender doing what he did and the game is at UoP Stadium and the crowd is seeing the replay of that….they would have raised the damn roof right off the building. We got away with one there, folks. Believe it.

    That said, the refs were a bit much today and both teams took turns either getting screwed or being the beneficiary. Hard to say who came out ahead in that one. It must REALLY be hard to play defense in the NFL at this point.

  13. By Scott H on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Oh, and THANK YOU, CHARGERS!!!! Sweet win! Glad you saved your best for the Seahawks.

  14. By georgiebird on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    PP is NOT an elite corner-he’s a good corner. I’m not talking about the Rueben Randle TD because I doubt there is a CB who could have broken that one up. It’s just that there are a lot of throws into PPs area and he just doesn’t show as being a db that opposing QBs are afraid of.

  15. By georgiebird on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    The play by Giant LB McClain was definitely a dirty play. If he really didn’t hear the whistle, why didn’t he just drive thru Stanton for the sack. A look at the replay shows McClain stopped as soon as he contacted Stanton.
    Big play because if Logan Thomas had to come in – we probably lose.

  16. By dan on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Congratulations to Troy Niklas for his beautiful reaching-back catch in the fourth quarter to keep a drive alive.

  17. By DTL on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    They don’t give style points. Only the composite matters. PP said It, we know how to Win. Its not going to be pretty this year, but BA has the Cards believing.

  18. By Fred Garvin on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    PP7 had better start earning his money!

  19. By j on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Great work Stanton but Cards got to have Palmer back in, get better CP soon this team needs your leadership in play.

  20. By rufus on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    What is it with Arians going for 2 point conversions early in the fourth quarter? He has done it in both games and it negatively impacted the Cardinals. I hope he uses a little more common sense next time or better yet, devises some 2 point conversion plays that actually work.

  21. By cardsalltheway on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    From what I’ve seen from Ginn this year(even before his punt return), he makes me feel more comfortable that PP last year returning punts.

    Kyle Fuller, he’s the man. And now the Bears lead the 9ers by 1 point. The NFL is now like MLB in that the games are taking a long time. The 3rd quarter and into the 4th of the Packers/Jets game took a long long time. And this 9ers/Bears game will be about 3.5 hours long.

  22. By cardsalltheway on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Have I said Drew Stanton is the MAN yet? Well, he is and congrats to the entire team!

    Kaepernick, gotta get into his head with fumbles/interceptions. We gotta take over from where the Bears left off(assuming the Bears they’re up by 8 points. He’s had a lot of things going his way for a bit too long. But it seems things could be a changin.

  23. By Steve on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Have not seen Stanton play before today but I liked his poise and confidence playing in a hostile environment. He looks better than John Skelton or any of the other backups I have seen in the past.

  24. By Canadian Redbird on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Very nice win!!!!!!!!! Even though there was room to improve in all areas , good teams find ways to win. Arians and company have done a great job on instilling a winning mindset. Only one part bothered me, and I’ve got his jersey and thats the play of PP in this game. Both of the fouls that were called were justified and I think he got extremely fortunate in not getting ejected from the game with his conduct with the official. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and comes back hard against the 9’ers. Nice to see the Honey Badger back on the field. Go Cards.

  25. By br in nc on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Throwing out a what if question here…(and I realize we have no idea if CP is going to miss anymore games, or if he may be out until after the bye week)
    Do the Cardinals look at signing a veteran QB as a short term 2nd string QB since contracts are non guaranteed, or do they keep Thomas active as the backup and just go with 2 QB’s (don’t we have an open spot, or will have one open once we don’t have to carry 2 punters??
    Thought it would make for some interesting conversation.

  26. By clssylssy on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    Wow, it doesn’t sound good for Carson Palmer. Even if his nerve issue improves this week and he has better range of motion, I can’t imagine that he will be ready to play what will likely be a very physically taxing game against the 9ers next week and I would rather just go with Stanton from the get go. He did a good job on the road and if our defense could just step up and play more aggressively we would at least go into it without all the insecurity of wondering if Palmer’s arm would hold up.
    After seeing the 9er’s game tonight, this is going to be a VERY hard fought test or a very ugly loss. Stanton did a good job of finding different targets and showed a good knowledge of the offense; the defense on the other hand was lethargic and didn’t seem to have their head in the game. Special teams were our saving grace.
    Glad to see Fitz used better but also some of the new guys getting in some good plays. Under the new rules the defensive players get targeted by the refs and it seems that is something that the coaches should be working on in practice. We are rich with talent and hopefully this team will go into our next game with everybody hungry for a home win against the 9ers.
    I don’t think going with the guy who will be the most physically fit and able to give us the best chance for a win is anything more than BA;s theory of next man up so no need to become polarized over the fact. I want to see a tough defense and I don’t like seeing opponents breaking tackles. We have some tough games ahead and the last two weeks have been mere scrimmages. Another ugly win, but a win nonetheless! Let’s show that we are for real and can win against the 9ers!

  27. By NJAzCardsFan on Sep 14, 2014 | Reply

    The Cards have an rather unqiue opportunity this year with all of the injuries that have occurred so far. It gives the front office a look into the future to see what the team would look like without several key players ironically whose contracts are expiring or have option years- Palmer, Dockett, Abraham and in the first game Fitz (as he didn’t see alot of passes his way)….. I hope Dockett and Palmer are brought back….. This team needs some pass rushers desparately….

    PP owes the Cards a refund for the way played in that game….

    BA really needs to work on the 2 point conversions plays… Hpw about a Left End delay to the TE…..???

  28. By debeezy on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    I don’t think there’s as much talk as making Stanton the starter as there is Logan Thomas, which is absolutely ridiculous. Most of these fans on social media are completely clueless.

  29. By LG on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    we’re number 1 we are at the top of the NFC West BIRDGANG!!!!!!!!!

  30. By joe 67 on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    O L HAS to get BETTER!!!!! Pass rush HAS to get BETTER!!!
    Not going to keep winning with that improvement. But oh how sweet yesterday was.

  31. By joe 67 on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    Oops. “without” that improvement.
    Sorry

  32. By clssylssy on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    Usually win the 9ers or Seahawks lose one they come back the next week with a vengence. They are both excellent teams with a lot of power, didn’t seem like either team were really that committed to the win. The Chargers are a good team, beat the Broncos last year and made the playoffs, but, I think we caught them unprepared and certainly were able to rattle them…too early in the season for anyone to be bulletproof. Yesterday saw some interesting upsets but things should start leveling off in the next couple of games. The last time we started 4-0, the wheels fell off, we were decimated by injuries and our coach was fired so I’ll wait till after the 9er and Broncos games to get too excited. We have an excellent secondary and it is the coach’s job to make sure their technique is flawless so we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties under these new rules. There’s no way Thomas could have done what Stanton did yesterday as he has a LONG, LONG, way to go to be a starter. It was probably to our advantage that teams didn’t have any tape on Stanton and he could stilll come out and perform so well; that was huge. We just need to focus on winning one game at a time and not losing at home. The next two games will test our metal (and playcalling) so let’s enjoy the win then get down to business!

  33. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    br in nc,

    How do you not have Sunday Ticket? Skip a meal a day if money is tight, but you must get the ticket.

    Giant receivers were open and dropped the ball. One or two were tough catches but Cruz makes too much money to be ordinary. There is a reason the Giants spent the 12th overall pick on a receiver.

    Shutting down the ground game; Yes our d is very good against the run. The Giants got like 15 of the yards on a run at the end of the game or we would have held them in the 60’s.

    Yes, the chargers are good. Watched the game. Gates had a big game.

    The fact that CP was a game time decision leads me to believe it can’t be that serious. Although Stanton did a good job (no picks), he was 48% comp, with 167 yards. He missed a couple of wide open guys. But to answer your question, yes, if CP is out significant time, you would look for a vet.

  34. By RD1KING on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    To all those complaining about PP and the flags thrown in the secondary, hope you read about the Chargers/Seahawks game because they threw at Richard Sherman all day & he was B-slapped. That’s how the new rules are going to play like.

  35. By dioalice on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    I agree entirely with Rufus re: BA going for two points. I don’t care whether the conversion is successfully or not (they are 0-3 this season), in all three cases it was the wrong call. More importantly, in both games, it negatively impacted the Cardinals chances at winning (at the least made it statistically more probable the opponent could tie or win).

    Taking the single PAT is a 99.3 statistical probability. Ignoring that “free” point (twice against San Diego and again yesterday) and missing out is the wrong call.

    BA should know this. Take the point early. If LATE in the game, you need a two point conversion to tie, then the game dictates you go for two.

  36. By Scott H on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    Um, yeah, I have had enough of the 2-pt conversions already. We don’t seem to be very good at it. That said, I see why they went for them in all of those situations.

  37. By Adrian on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    Many problems still, especially in pass protection and pass rush. Great news that Abraham is back though! Niners will be a though one – but certainly not unbeatable! Still, Offense and Defense need to step up.

  38. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    RD1King;

    Did you see either game? Now I hate seattle with a passion and am a very long time AZ Cards fan. But here is the reality.

    The chargers beat Sherman on a couple short passes.
    Complete 3 passes 0 touchdowns 0 explosive passes…. These guys make me laugh,” Sherman said.

    The Giants beat Peterson for a TD and then would have had another had PP not grabbed the receiver, which put the ball on the 1 yard line with a PI.

    So, PP gave up virtually, 2 TDs and played a bad game and he needs to stop complaining (and bumping refs-which he should have been ejected for) and start playing.

    Funny, I can’t remember Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson having these arguments about who was better. They both went out and did their thing on the way to Super bowls and HOF. (which by the way, both were better than PP and Sherman IMO)

    What I did like was how Dockett got to PP on the sideline and talked with him. Nice leadership DD.

  39. By Fan in Chi Town on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    Br in nc –

    As john the draft guy said, the Giants dropped some very catchable balls. One that sticks out in my mind was one where Cruz let it slip through his fingers and he would have been gone fo like a 50 yard TD. The run defense was very good, though. I should have clarified that.

    RD1 –

    The rules changes certainly affect the way a corner has to cover a receiver, but it’s kind of amazing that Cromartie has been doing well with those same rule changes.

  40. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 15, 2014 | Reply

    I don’t mind rules changes but the referees need to be consistent. I thought we got a gift on the penalty called on the guy covering Fitz early, but then you see an Eagle basically take down the receiver leading to a Luck INT… totally changed the game, since even an incompletion there means Vinateiri kicks a FG for a 10 point led late in the 4th. And then the phantom horse collar tackle call that turned a 3rd and 11 into a first down and 15 free yards just a couple plays later… seems like refereeing plays a bigger and bigger role every year for some reason, even now that we have replay.

    The huge call against us was the penalty on the play where we sacked Eli and recovered the fumble… then you hear about illegal contact and instead of us having the ball near midfield with a 10-0 lead and threatening to make it a rout early, the Giants keep possession with an automatic first down. In general though I think the Giants got hurt more by the refs than we did.

    Finally, what is it with these guys committing obvious pass interference in the end zone, often on balls that are unlikely to be caught? PP did it yesterday and I saw at least a half-dozen other instances this weekend. Make the receiver make a play; if he beats you, he beats you, but don’t maul him and give the refs no choice but to give them the ball on the 1.

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