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Palmer done for season after knee injury

Posted by Darren Urban on November 10, 2014 – 1:09 pm

Much more to come on azcardinals.com, but the worst fears of the Cardinals and quarterback Carson Palmer were comfirmed: Palmer indeed tore the ACL in his left knee against the Rams, ending his season. Drew Stanton is now the quarterback going forward, backed up by Logan Thomas and a likely third-stringer. Bruce Arians said the Cards are looking at candidates, but it figures to be someone that knows the system, like a Dennis Dixon or a Ryan Lindley.

It’s a gut-punch to a team having a wonderful season and one to Palmer, who talked about how much fun he is having and how much this hurts him emotionally. He also said, despite just signing a contract extension Friday, he hopes to still be around next year. I’m pretty sure that’s the plan, but Palmer is no dummy. He knows how the NFL works, and how teams do what is best for the franchise. Still, Arians has been talking about Palmer in 2015, so there’s a good reason to think Palmer isn’t going anywhere.

The good news is that the ACL tear is only an ACL tear. It’s not the complete explosion in the left knee that Palmer suffered when he was hurt back in January, 2006. Palmer said doctors have told him the surgery for his current injury has become routine, like setting a bone. Both he and Arians talked about Palmer returning possibly for OTAs next summer. Wouldn’t that be something.

“I’m going to play football again,” Palmer said. “I hope it’s here.”

I’ll have the full story up on the site as soon as possible (and click here for the story). The full Carson Palmer press conference will be posted later this afternoon as well.


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69 Responses to “Palmer done for season after knee injury”

  1. By GWitt on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    A speedy recovery to you CP. See you back on the field for the 2015 season.

  2. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Bummer, bummer…. And Palmer has been one of the most reliable QB’s in the league as far as games played. I am not sure I am enamored with his statement here if it in indeed a direct quote. Be well Carson –

  3. By Dynosoar on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    does BA know the names of all his players?

  4. By Brad on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Praying for a speedy recovery!! Go Cards!

  5. By LadyBird04 on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    So very sorry to hear that Carson is out for the year. I hope he comes back here better than ever next year. He appears to be just what this team needs, on the field, in the locker room and with his fellow players. I cannot imagine how disappointed he is right now.

    Look forward to seeing him back in Cardinal Red next season and perhaps on the sideline as another player/cheerleader once his doctors allow him.

  6. By hummer53 on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Dennis Dixon would be the better option because he can emulate Russell Wilson better for scout team purposes. We play Seattle twice the rest of the way and may play again in the playoffs.

  7. By Dynosoar on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    We could’ve won against Denver if Stanton had not had a concussion. We were in it at the end. Campbell being injured didn’t help either.

    Would we have won the game, I don’t know, but we were in it.

    This team can hang with and beat any team out there and the team knows it. It was said once in St. Louis when their starter was injured, “Kurt’s our man.” Well we can say the same thing here, “Drew’s our man.”

    Now let’s do what those Rams did and go win us the Lombardi!

    So looking forward to the Lions, this is our final test until the playoffs. The Seattle game will be enjoyable to watch. Can’t wait to see how their secondary handles our weapons and how Lynch suffers like Demarco Murray. These will be a fun two weeks.

    (I’m impressed with the Lions, they remind us of us this season. Will be a good game to watch.)

  8. By superbowlcards on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Dynosaur
    Not sure I would say Lions are our last test. All remaining NFC West games are huge tests, records be damned! If im not mistaken we still have KC to deal with as well, plenty of tests still remain I would say.

  9. By Steve Weston on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Devastating news for Palmer, and awful news for the Cards. Still, I have faith in Drew Stanton and the ‘next man up’ philosophy that this Cardinals team seems to have fully embraced under Coach Arians. With the team’s never give up attitude, the offensive weapons we have and the incredible defense – not to mention the brilliant schemes of both BA and Bowles – I really do believe that the Cards can not only win the NFC West, but make it all the way to the Superbowl in Phoenix.

    GO CARDS!!

  10. By Eric G on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Say it with me.

    NEXT MAN UP!

    If Bruce Arians thinks we can win the Super Bowl with Stanton, well then, so do I.

    Let’s get this done! Show ’em what you got Stanton.

    (if it was going to happen, which, let’s face it we knew something like this would, glad it’s happening now rather than right before playoffs).

  11. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Well, now that we have the bad news, BA must proceed as if Palmer was not available at the start of 2013. As Palmer recuperates, he can stick around as Dockett has done….He can help with the QB’s even next year if the MDs say he can be eventually good to go ((maybe, iffy, 2015))… He gets paid anyway…. .bummer…. Now it’s Drew drawing it up! A great finish yesterday….

  12. By Brian on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Cardinal fan since birth. Go Drew Stanton, fully capable, willing, and able! Great team behind him. Earn yourself a payday, Stanton, and bring home the Lombardi! Carson Palmer my favorite Cardinal QB all time; speedy recovery to our Leader and we will see you behind center next year. #WIN IT FOR C.PALMER#3

  13. By D on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    $20 mil reasons Cards will have him back next year if his rehab goes well..

    I was just thinking last Sat. how a team like the Jet’s should offer a draft pick for Stanton for their starter next year (the next Hoyer) before this injury to Palmer…now the Cards will protect Stanton like he is gold plated…I guess the good news out of all of this is that Logan should get more reps as the backup..

    I am more worried about the damage Suh could do this Sunday more than with Stanton as QB..

  14. By Puffycack on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    I feel horrible for Palmer. He’s a classy, hard working guy who has brought a calming leadership to this team. I still believe in the Cards & Stanton, but the odds just got a lot tougher for us. BTW, can’t UofP stadium afford a real freaking cart to carry our injured players off the field with comfort & style….wtf??? I was more worried about Palmer getting attacked by splinters from the old plywood he was laying on, not to mention the nice plate steel backrest that stopped at his mid back. This is a $300 million dollar franchise that carts it’s players off on a $2000 cart…C’mon guys!!!

  15. By K-Dub on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Speedy recovery Palmer. You’re still one of the reasons this team has made it this far.

  16. By PotAsh on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Good luck to Palmer! Hope you recover completely and can continue your career here with the Cardinals.

    On a completely unrelated note – Darren – you guys should look into doing an Xmo Xtra of Brown’s TD dances…

  17. By Brad oneill on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    The timing of the extension was terrible. Keim and Bidwell must be tearing their hair out. Well bidwells hair anyway. Its a good thing the ratings and attendance has been sky high, this could have put the team out of business. They can win with Stanton if that fourth quarter defense decides to show up a little earlier stanton can get them home. We now need that home field advantage though. Come on Cardinals its your year to be great.

  18. By superbowlcards on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Ummmm, this is exactly why the Cardinals have insurance for these contracts, actually all teams do.

  19. By Coach K on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Really sad news for Carson. What a freak way to tear his ACL. But we must move on and hope that Drew can bring us home. Is Lindley available? I don’t want to see Logan Thomas and his 12 step drops getting crushed by defensive ends. We need a backup who knows how to step up in the pocket.

  20. By Roy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Carson!!!!! Would have loved for him to be the one at the helm for our Superbowl run. He will still be a leader on the sideline. He will still give Drew and the recievers all the wisdom he can. But….we will rally around Drew Stanton…and we will play good football! Next man up guys! It is what it is. Lets go cardinals!!! Let’s go big red!!!

  21. By Roy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    if my above statement sounds a little familiar. It’s because Dick Vermeil said that after Trent Green went down in the Preseason. The next man up was Kurt Warner, and he lead the Rams to a Championship that year. I recommend looking up that press conference. It’s very inspirational. And thats exactly what we are going to do.

  22. By Kauaicardsfan on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Man this sucks! I just got done with my Rehab from my 2nd ACL tear as well, not fun! God Speed Carson!!!
    Drew its your time now!!! Lets shock the world again!!!

    Go Cards!!!

  23. By Charlie Wetto on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Palmer’s career is over. He was already too old and injury prone before this season. He already missed half this years games with the shoulder “sleeping nerve” fiasco. Talking about him for 2015 is idiotic. I’m very happy Stanton will get more games in before the playoffs. On to younger and sharper.

  24. By Roy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

  25. By D on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Any word yet from BA that Stanton’s wife will be induced tomorrow?

  26. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Well, if this ain’t the biggest kick in the ….you know what’s. I think Cardinals fans have just become numb to losing players because it has just been an on-going process. But this one seems particularly cruel since it happened to a guy who seemed on the brink of a level of success that has eluded him so far in his NFL career. One day, Palmer is signing the extension that looks to keep him here for the rest of his career and the next day…he’s done for the season. I mean, how utterly cruel is this???? He shreds his knee in the playoffs against the Steelers just as his career is starting, then – 10 years later – when he seem right on the cusp of getting back there again, he tears THE SAME DAMN KNEE!!! I could NOT feel worse for this poor guy than I do right now.

    It seems like the ice we’re skating on just gets thinner and thinner. IMHO, I think we could be fine with Stanton. But now there’s really nothing to fall back on. We lose Stanton and I think that’s pretty much it. At that point, the “next man up” thing is….well, there just is no next man we can turn to.

    On the happier side of things, I really do think this team will not drop off as long as Stanton is in at QB. For him to come in cold off the bench and make that throw to Smokey on his 3rd / 4th play…that was huge. The offense was dragging up to that point, the game had an ominous feel to it – like if the Cardinals didn’t get the next score, they were probably in trouble – and that one play puts us ahead and sparks the whole team. The defense carried it from there. Good thing, too, ’cause the 49ers and Seahawks both came up big this week.

    And it appears that Patrick Peterson is once again, and most definitely – IN THE HOUSE!!!! That interception was big time. THAT was the kind of play that the best CB in the NFL makes when his team needs it.

    Back to the Seahawks for a moment…I know they’re not up next but they are coming up. I watched that game yesterday and just could not believe the number of times Wilson was able to make big runs by going around to his right. It seemed like every damn time they did this, they would overload the other side so that when Wilson went around to his right, there was NOTHING but open space. Now, part of that is the Giants being their usual inept selves. BUT Wilson has been killing teams with these plays this year and this is something I hope the Cardinals are taking note of.

  27. By superbowlcards on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Wilson running to the right like that is nothing new, though he seems to have packed it away for a few years, or at least scaled way back, I think old Pete basically shut it down fearing injury when he got to the Seasquawks, unless he needed to run for his life!! When he played at NCSU he called his # quite often, when he got to WISC didnt see much of it, but that was only because they had monster RB’s 3 deep, like they always seem to have!

  28. By Big Ken on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Is Jake Plummer still in town?

  29. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    Can you explain this a little better ? I thought the new deal had 20+ million in guarantees for Palmer.

    So why are we (and Palmer) wondering if he will be back. Isn’t he coming back no matter what?

    Was there something in the contract or does the contract only kick in at the end of the year and they can still void it?

    Help me out here. Why is Carson worried about being here in 2015?

  30. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Palmer deal

    The only person that has even suggested Palmer might not be back is Palmer. The bottom line, just because a guy is getting paid doesn’t mean he’s going to play or even be on the roster. it seems foolish to think you’d pay out what you’d pay out and cut a guy, but if he’s hurt and won’t be back (again, you never know with rehab), maybe you move on. Maybe Carson is just being skittish just 24 hours after an emotional and taxing event.

  31. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Scott H

    Well said. It is sad for Palmer

  32. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    I heard Peterson said on the sidelines, look how much / hard they are hitting Carson. We need to pay them back by hitting their QB.

    Or something to that nature. If it is true, it worked.

  33. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Not that QBR is the be-all and end-all, but Palmer’s is 95.6 this year — 9th in the league, ahead of guys named Brees and Ryan.

    And for the first half of last year while the team was adjusting to the new system, it was 72.4, but in the second half, it was 95.3. So basically he’s been in the mid-90’s for roughly a full season now, dating back to when the team started to get a handle on Arians’ offense. Not elite like Rodgers or Manning, but top 10 or so in the league.

    To expect Stanton to duplicate that is expecting a lot. As a fan I hope he’s lights out, but with a few exceptions (e.g., Brady replacing Bledsoe), well, usually the backup QB is a backup for a reason. There will almost certainly be some level of dropoff; it’s just a question of whether it’s nominal or significant. There are definitely some positives: he knows the system, he’s already stepped in capably in a few games; the team doesn’t have to dumb down the offense. But what a stretch of games we have coming… 6 of 7 against teams that figure to be batlling for playoff spots (yes, Atlanta is in the mix, seeing as how they’re only a game behind NO even at 3-6), and the one that isn’t won’t be a cakewalk — a tough intra-division road game vs. the Rams. Talk about throwing Stanton into the lions’ den (literally, considering our opponent next week).

    Good luck Drew and best wishes to Carson for a speedy recovery.

  34. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Why is everyone giving thumbs up to rams highlights? the rams magical season? And card fans are giving thumbs up?

    Why is it even posted on our board? Maybe someone should post how we just beat down the rams 31-14 on our way to 8-1.

    SMH at all you who like ROY posting rams highlights. Go to the ram board where you can root on your 3-6 rams.

  35. By Dynosoar on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Scott H,

    the thing about Seattle this year, they’re relying on the run, either Lynch or Wilson. We are the best at the run defense, we practiced for this game against Dallas a few weeks ago. the next four against the NFC West are ours to lose. We play our game and none of them our beating us.

    I like all your observations. Wilson won’t get to far to his right against us or he’ll be meeting Buchanon or Jefferson or Honey Badger or someone else or a whole birdgang.

    I’m with you on Palmer, I understand why he cried like a baby, he wanted to win the ring while HE was behind center, not standing on the sidelines.

  36. By Brad on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    As an Over-seas Cards fan i have to thank all the fans at the stadium Sunday, that was so bloody loud, with a game in the balance there is no doubt the crowd had a big influence in that 4th quarter!

  37. By T. Stone on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Our sideline is going to look like the Physical Therapy area of St. Luke’s. Cant we put them in a booth somewhere with nurses and a headset? Next it wont be a receiver taking out our Gatorade table, it will be an area of players with knee braces and crutches looking at photos. Give them a suite, computers and a phone. .

  38. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Darren–
    To clarify – – Is Carson’s guarantee on the new deal $10.5 mil for 2015.? And does the 2014 deal remain to be paid?

    I am not sure if this was really an “extension,” or a rewrite contract….Thanks…

  39. By Darren Urban on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Dr. G —

    RE: Palmer contract

    It is three-year extension. Reports are that he’ll get a $6.5M signing bonus and $3.5M roster bonus to be added to his current 2014 salary, then a $1M salary and $9.5M roster bonus due soon after the Super Bowl. What that means is that he can indeed be cut before the roster bonus, but if he is still hurt, it’s guaranteed for injury, so he gets his money. The same decision will be made after the 2015 season with a similar roster bonus setup.

  40. By Dr. G. on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Darren – – So I see that 2015 voids for Carson 5 days after 2014 Super Bowl? Can you elaborate a bit? Does that mean that he can be cut with no $$$ coming for 2015? Thanks again…

  41. By Eric G on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    @ Big Ken,

    Um, no. Plummer was servicable, but he kept both teams in the game. Stanton is better than Plummer.

  42. By Marlin on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Big Blow! We should extend Stanton as well….Carson start next year if healthy, Drew for a couple years after that. Logan or another draftee after that.

  43. By italycardfan on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Hello Carson, I hope you read these words coming from the other side of the world. Last night, while watching the game, I was moved, seeing you down injured. Although it is a sad time for your sports life, I am sure you will come back soon, even stronger in body and mind. I understand your pain, physical and mental, but I pray that you can come back soon, to be still on the field, the leader of this team, to prove to be stronger than the unfortunate fate.
    I embrace you as a son, and I hope you can feel all my friendliness.
    Greetings from Italy.

  44. By NJAzCardsFan on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    The Cards IR team is better than most team’s starters…….

    The Cards seemed someflat that game until Palmer went down and the team woke up and then stepped up. If the defense plays with the same intensity against the Lions, the Cards should be ok…..

    Well, the worse the Cards can finish now this season is 8-8…..

  45. By Damian Foster on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    If Palmer is still getting this big new contract money you have to be friggin kidding me. So next year during the draft we are going to be told how there is no cap room BS partly because of a guy who doesn’t even play? You have to be kidding me. Doing a contract mid season has to be the dumbest thing these guys have ever done.

  46. By CreditCard on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    This article is about Carson Palmer. Mr. Palmer has been a leader in this organization. This must truly be difficult for Palmer, good season, leading, winning, while having fun.

    I am in hopes he keeps his spirits up, and will return as a pro athlete, and for the Cards. One thing Mr. Palmer can do during this season is take time in mentoring Mr. Thomas. If Thomas is to be used, one on one mentoring will pay huge dividends.

    I wish Mr. Palmer a quick, speedy and painless recovery. This is undoubtedly devastating for him and his family.

  47. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Dynosaur –

    Geez, I hate that I’m even talking about the Seahawks right now instead of the Lions, but I just couldn’t help that observation since I have seen Wilson doing SOOOO much of that this year.

    Might sound kinda simple, but I think the way to defend that is to FIRST keep Lynch under control ( which they CAN do ) and THEN keep Wilson behind the line. Easier said than done, but don’t let him get outside and don’t let him shoot up the middle. Wilson is a HELLUVA good QB but he is less effective when you force him to beat you with his arm. Also, best to keep their offense OFF the field as much as possible.

    Alright, enough of that. Time to start lookin’ at these Lions. They got Calvin back healthy and they play some NASTY defense. Gonna be another fight. And they are gonna be in the playoff picture, so a loss could hurt now AND later.

  48. By Scott H on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    Kevin –

    RE – the schedule

    Yeah….wow. After that little spurt against the Redskins and Raiders ( that looks like a holiday now ), this schedule is just a meat grinder. When the “easiest” game you have left is the Rams…ouch. But we know the Cardinals CAN beat the teams in the division. Good that we got the home wins against SF and StL. The good thing about our division road games is that they’re pretty close.

    San Fran is getting all their injured / suspended guys back just in time for their stretch run. Nice, huh? They’re getting everyone back while we’re losing our starting QB. The football Gods truly suck.

    But….hey, all of those teams we have left have to deal with us, too. The meat grinder goes both ways.

  49. By T. Stone on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    JTDG

    RE: Rams highlights and thumbs up.

    Because of Warner, a Backup’3rd stringer going in to play and taking a team to the SB. Because that team was in a similar position early in the season as we are now. It is not a Rams Video, it is an inspiration video about perseverance. That is how I took it anyway when I gave my 1 up.

  50. By T. Stone on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    JTDG

    RE: Palmer

    Because he is old enough to know that he will be Wally Pipped if Stanton plays well and he will be still be injured. This org don’t play around any longer and he knows that because he has been around. Lets hope Palmers worries are correct.

  51. By Richard S on Nov 10, 2014 | Reply

    After week 9, the system called 89 games correct. Comparing with Inside the NFL experts, we have Phil Sims at 90, Boomer Esiasonat 84 and Ed Reed at 86. Week 10 the system picked 10 out of 13 correctly, missing only Cle-Cincy, SF-NO, and Pitt-Jets, providing a season record of 99/147 (67.35%). The system does not notice QB’s being injured or wide receivers like Megatron returning to duty. Carson’s injury isn’t good and as I said earlier in another post when I was explaining how I hurt my knee when I thought I was King Kong, that’s when you get it, when everything is looking rosy. But one never knows whether something is bad or good until months later. Ron Brown thought getting named Secretary of Commerce was good, but he might be alive today if he weren’t named to the post as he died in an airplane crash in Africa. You don’t know whether something is good or bad initially. I mean when Kurt Warner became Rams QB due to injury, who’d of thunk that would be good. While Carson’s injury provides hurdles for the Cardinals to overcome, the system actually showed an increase in points with Stanton playing his first 2 games, and only fell after the Denver debacle in which he was replaced by Logan. Stanton will of course be a prime target for opposing defenses since they’d rather see Logan on the field, leading me to say Holding penalties on pass plays are better than Stanton getting another concussion. I think from what I’ve seen of him, he mainly needs to work on his lob passes near the end zone. Hopefully Carson will come back healthy next season. The team the system is most worried about is Philly because of their easier schedule. I only have Philly losing to one more team, Green Bay, giving them only 3 losses, which is what I have Arizona having at the end of the season, but that includes a 2 point win over KC, a 6.72 win over Detroit, and away losses to San Fran and Seattle. I have Az beating Seattle at home. Looking at the rest of the schedule, we have San Fran loses one to Seattle to give them 5 losses, Green Bay loses to New England giving them 4 losses, Seattle losing one to Az, one to San Fran, one to KC and one to Philly giving them 7 losses. Indy and Philly will beat Dallas giving Dallas 5 losses. Detroit will lose to Green Bay and hopefully Arizona giving them 5 losses. If it falls this way, Philly and Az end up with 3 losses and Az has home field advantage since they beat Philly. System rankings after week 10 on neutral field. Add 3 points to home team for predicted results. Number in parenthesis was original season system neutral field ranking. 1. (3) NE 100.96 2. Denver (4) 100.81 . 3a. Seattle (1) 97.5 3b. Phil (9) 97.5 5. KC (14) 97.27 6. Gbay (16) 96.87 7. Indy (13) 96.74 8. Az (8) 96.56 9. NO (6) 96.47 10. San Fran (2) 95.78 11. Mia (21) 94.53 12. Balt (17) 94.03 13. Det (15) 92.84 14. Dall (20) 92.05 15. Pitt (11) 91.98 16. SD (10) 91.22 17. Cincy (5) 90.34 18. Buff (23) 90.11 19. Atl (19) 89.44 20. Cle (28) 89.18 21. Rams (12) 88.39 22. Carolina (7) 88.06 23. Minn (18) 87.51 24. Hou (29) 86.73 25. Giants (22) 86.65 26. Wash (30) 85.1 27. Jets (26) 84.57 28. Chi (24) 83.42 29. Tenn (27) 81.86 30. Tampa (25) 81.73 31. Oak (31) 80.44 32. Jax (32) 79.42. Let’s go Drew, get Carson that Super Bowl ring.

  52. By Marcelof on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Hollywood has both eyes on this Arizona team, should we get this lombardi, you’ll see big red birds flying on the big screen…

    JK

    we were getting on track weekly better and better, by the playoffs at this pace Cardinals would be a scarrying team (if it isn’t already), it was just like one’s thought: “o ****, we’re gonna face the Cards”.
    It hurts so bad.

    now I’m all on Drew. My confidence has dropped a little, however I still believe we’re on our way to SB. The harder, the better.

  53. By clssylssy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Very well stated Scott. I think we are all just sick for Carson Palmer. He is a good guy who has worked hard getting back to a point in his career where he’s happier than he’s ever been in the NFL and playing at a high level with a team who has embraced him as family …then this tragic accident. Fate certainly can be cruel but I have every confidence he will be back as good as ever and maybe even better as he will have a lot of time for study and watching tape, doing the mental work while his body is healing, I would think that his time could be put to good use in helping with the rookies and practice squad so that they too can be sufficiently prepared if/when the need arise to be pressed into service. With BA’s belief in education, I would think involving him as soon as he’s able, would not only keep him actively involved but provide a special “teaching assistant” resource and give us a “leg up” for next season.
    Watching Stanton step up this year has been a refreshing experience and when I hear the gloom and doom reporters forecasting our team’s impending fall, I have to laugh and conclude that they really haven’t watched this guy in action and don’t have a clue as to what this team is about. They read dead stats off a page that don’t accurately reflect his current body of work or the intangibles that make a backup a lcker room leader when he’s called. Some teams are built around one or two guys who hold the team’s season pretty much in their hands, but thankfully BA, who was up close and personal with the reality of player/coach mortality in Indianapolis, has built this team to survive and “next man up” is more than a snappy buzzword!
    Stanton is not Carson but he has his own set of strengths and is surrounded by a safety net of enormous talent and coaching wizardry. He held up well with the Broncos and given our teams fresh resolve should be good to go against the Lions if we stick to our strengths and play up to our capabilities. We can’t afford to sleepwalk through the first three quarters and expect our defense to pull us out of the fire every week; hopefully we got the wake up call! The other thing we have going for us is that we are a good road team and Stanton’s had some good games on the road, which is going to be a difference maker as we enter the final countdown! This week we have an opportunity for some real time practice by holding Matthew Stafford down (as if he were Wilson or Kaepernick) and covering Megatron like Dez Bryant or Boldin! WE CAN DO IT! BELIEVE!

  54. By wampag on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    D,

    Give Palmer my best and wish him a speedy recovery.

    I had a great dream last night, could you imagine Warner with this Offense, with this Coach and this O line……this team is perfect for his style…he looked good on TV…any chance??…lol

    GO CARDS

  55. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    T-Stone,

    Warner rams;

    Oh I saw Warner on the video briefly. (Warner was not a third stringer, he won the back up job that year) But that video is the rams highlights winning the super bowl, not how an unknown piloted a team to the super bowl.

    This situation is no where near this. Stanton has a body of work, where Warner never took a snap. We know what we are getting in Stanton, he has played in 4 games. No one knew what Warner could do.

    Finally, Stanton is not Warner. Wishing for something doesn’t make it true.

    Palmer;
    I get what you are saying but I think Palmer is confident in his play. There was no competition the first two training camps and when Palmer was hurt, he reclaimed the job. If he can get healthy, it will be his job.

    Now, as Keim said before the raiders, that they were interested in Carr, that would have changed things. A high draft pick may have moved into that # 1 spot next year. But Thomas and Stanton will not beat out Palmer.

  56. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Thanks Darren,

    The breakdown of Palmers contract that Dr G asked about now makes sense. I can see why Palmer would be worried.

    I believe he has nothing to worry about except getting healthy, but I understand his concern.

  57. By D on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Who is feeling worse this week, J. Cooper or Palmer? When BA agrees that the Oline got their butt whipped against the Rams, then also says” None” to the question — any chance that Cooper will start, that is pretty clear and to the point.

    If BA doesn’t see Cooper playing then either coach him up for next year or look to offer him up in a trade around the draft this spring.

    With Suh and Ansah coming to town, as one former Texan coach would say, “the Oline better get their minds right”

    Should be fun to watch the matchups between Tate and Johnson vs Cro and PP on Sunday.

  58. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Wilson hasn’t done much against the Cardinals… granted, the first year, he played his first regular-season game ever against us (18-34 for 153 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT) and then the second game was the 58-0 shellacking where he didn’t even have to do anything (7-13, again with 1 TD and 1 INT). Last year he had a great game here (18-29 with 3 TD’s) but even then, only 235 passing yards. Then he laid an egg in the game we won at Seattle (11-27. 108 yards).

    He’s not a guy who’s going to carve you up for a ton of yards passing. Last year, just 2 300 yard games and 2 others above 250 — and 5 below 150. This year, same thing — he had the Rams game where they were way behind and he had to throw a lot (23-36, 313 — and that’s what’s amazing; 36 is a routine number of attempts these days for most guys, but it’s a lot for Wilson). Other than that, 5 games under 200 yards, one at 201, and one at 258.

    Don’t get me wrong — he is very smart and does what the team needs him to do to win. And you can’t discount the fact that he has 3 100 yard RUSHING games this year. But with Seattle it’s all about containing the running game in general and Lynch in particular. If it comes down to Russell Wilson having to beat us with his arm, I’ll happily take our chances.

  59. By Roy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Thank you T. Stone! That’s exactly what I was going for with the video. We will rally around Drew Stanton and we will play good football!

    JTDG- I do appreciate your loyalty. I did hesitate posting that clip in fear of blaspheming.

    Lets go Cardinals!! #Homefieldadvantageallpostseason

  60. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    I for one would be ecstatic if there was a QB controversy for the Cards next season because it would mean Stanton would have to play at the level of a top-15 QB in the league for the next 7 games.

    Realistically, though, how likely is it that a career backup is suddenly among the top half of all QB’s in the league? Not saying backups never surprise or never take over permanently (the classic Brady example, or even Foles stepping in and then not relinquishing the job, but in the latter case, Foles and Vick had been battling for the job to begin with and there were real questions about whether Vick could still be effective in the NFL… and now here we are just a year later, Foles has regressed and people are talking about Mark Sanchez of all people possibly making the Eagles better).

    I expect Stanton will play well. I hope it’s well enough that some people — the ones who always root for the underdog, and who like to see things in backups, late-round draft choices (e.g., Skelton) and journeymen because it makes for great theater — will be saying that he’s good enough to be our QB of the future, because again, if he performs that well it means we’ll win at least enough of the next 7 games to make the playoffs (and maybe even win the division). I would be astonished if he plays well enough that we’re talking about Palmer not even coming back but that would be a great problem to have, wouldn’t it? I’d much rather finish out this year the way we’ve started, than to be sitting here two months from now saying, “This could’ve been our year if Palmer hadn’t gotten hurt.”

  61. By clssylssy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Don’t know if anyone is paying attention to the 9ers or have dismissed them already since we beat them, here BUT, IMO Kaep is much more of a threat than Wilson…he can be AMAZING if he doesn’t get to rattled and sticks to what their strengths have always been…their ground and pound run game with Vernon Davis and keying on players like Boldin and Crabtree. Plus they are getting Aldon Smith back and some of their other injured players so will have an entirely new look when we play them in their house. To beat the Saints in the Dome is no small accomplishment and probably on a par with Seattle at home so it’s going to be a REAL dogfight to stay on top and win the West. We also have to play KC and the Falcons before we get to the “bad boys” and our track record has not been good in Atlanta, despite our superiority and KC is always a threat because of their unpredictability and passion (more so at home or within their division).
    For now we just need to stick to the plan and win one week at a time without getting ahead of ourselves which is difficult when every time you turn on the news it’s about “Playoff Forecasts”. We may be on top, but in many “experts” minds we are still a longshot, especially with the loss of Palmer, so will need to show up VERY loud and proud and… BELIEVE.

  62. By John The Draft Guy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    clssylssy’

    If we keep winning, the niners will be in the rear view mirror. But I get your point.

    We are built to beat the hawks. We stop the run first. That is what the hawks offense is built around. Our CBs have no fear of their receivers. The Hawks also lost to Jax Clemens, who was a nightmare for our tackles. They lost Browner at CB and their nickleback.

    With Palmer, I had no doubt we sweep the Hawks. I know, some think that is crazy talk and we will never know now. But we have a chance to win there and at least split the series if we lose.

    We will pound Atlanta. No more Gonzo means everything goes to the outside receivers, our strength. The Falcons have the worse pass rush in the league and struggle to stop teams running.

    KC is a running team. Our strength.

    I agree the niners are the tougher team than Hawks for us to match up.

    The game that worries me most is this weekend. The Lions have 3 backs who can run or catch, the have Megatron, and now added Tate. On defense, their front 4 is scary good. They are the #1 defense for a reason.Suh is playing great and will destroy our interior. This is a good team.

    The cards win if, with a mobile Stanton, move the pocket, bootleg and don’t make Drew a sitting target. I would like to say we need to run, but I just dont see it happening. On defense, take away the big play and make Stafford earn his way down the field. Stafford will get frustrated and A frustrated Stafford will force balls. Turnovers will win this game.

  63. By clssylssy on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Kevin…
    You do realize that backup QB(and former Cardinal) Brian Hoyer has taken the Browns (??!!!) all the way to the top of the AFC North Division and Kurt Cousins has been leading the Redskins since RGIII went down with his knee injury last season. Stanton, Hoyer, and Cousins are all Michigan State alums and probably any of the three could start ahead of some “starters” in the league. BA knew what he was doing bringing Stanton along, although at the time I thought it foolish to let Hoyer go.

  64. By jme on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Its tuesday Drew day now, Drew is very capable of Palmers numbers. i expect alot more deep shots now (Drews arm bigger then CP), BA QB guru will work his magic on Drews %comp, this year has just gotten more serious!! Rings for our fallen!!!, I see a great story going forward for Drew and this fantastic TEAM. No letting down, forward no looking back… Want it more now Cards!!!!

  65. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    Clssylssy —

    Yes there are backups on some teams that could start for others. That’s the nature of the beast. If you get drafted to back up Brett Favre (Aaron Rodgers) you end up sitting for a while even when there are journeymen playing for other teams.

    I’ll give you Hoyer as an example of a guy that’s surprised but even he, every time he has an off-game (like vs. the Jags), has the Manziel chatter behind him. If Palmer has a bad game, everyone isn’t saying “start Stanton.” Cousins — well, he lost the starting job to Colt McCoy for Pete’s sake. He’s a perfect example of a backup who went out there and played like a backup.

    That’s all I’m saying — the vast majority of the time, the backup is the backup for a reason. To expect no dropoff is unrealistic — why would the coaching staff (the same coaching staff that you mention knew what they were doing in getting Stanton) have gone out and then spent more money on Palmer, if Stanton can perform at Palmer’s level?

    The question is, how much of a dropoff is it? Is it less, for example, then Romo to Weeden? Again, I’m not saying Stanton isn’t good, and you are probably right that he could start for some of the teams desperate for a QB in this league. (But Kevin Kolb was good enough to start for us when we were desperate for a QB and we know how that turned out.) You’re also right that he can do some things that Palmer CAN’T do. But Palmer was playing at the level of Brees, Ryan, etc. so far this year (and the 2nd half of last year). That kind of performance is unlikely. As good as Palmer? No. Good enough to take us to the Super Bowl? I’ll still hold out hope.

  66. By tyman on Nov 11, 2014 | Reply

    coundnt feel worst for a guy…Hope to see him back better than ever next year.

  67. By Kevin S Mesa on Nov 12, 2014 | Reply

    JTDG’s observations about how the Cards match up with other teams are insightful.

    The other reason this week’s game is so important is momentum. While the Cardinals are professionals and I believe the coaching staff will keep them focused for the remainder of the season, at the same time it’s hard to ignore the fact that if they lose their first game now that Palmer’s done for the year, it will be more demoralizing than a typical loss. Doubt will start to set in. (Doubt is already setting in among many of the pundits, but I don’t think it has reached the team… yet.)

    Setting that aside, the next most important thing is winning one of the two Seattle games. We’ve got to win the division — we don’t want to be going on the road for a WC game against New Orleans/Green Bay/Detroit/Philly/whoever it would end up being. Obviously #1 seed is the ultimate goal but it would be a major letdown after this start not to win the division. The difference between Seattle winning both against us and splitting is only one game in the W/L column but it is effectively like three games when it comes to the division. If you assume they win both against us, that puts us with three losses (like the Hawks at this point) but they’d have the tiebreaker so we’d have to finish a game ahead of them to win the division. Conversely if you assume a split, then that keeps them 2 games behind… but we’re already 2-0 in division (so we’d be 3-1 with games left against SF and St Louis). The same split puts Seattle at 1-2 in division (having already lost to St. Louis) so the best they could do is 4-2 and that assumes beating SF twice and St. Louis again, which is unlikely; 3-3 is a more likely scenario. A split puts us miles ahead in the tiebreaker (division record) considering we’re 2-0 and they’re 0-1 as of today.

    There are only 5 more games left besides the two Seattle games, so if you assume the tiebreaker will fall in our favor with a spilt, which is likely, they have to come out one win ahead of us to beat us for the division if we split. That means they’d have to make up 3 games in the standing with only 5 games (besides the two with us) left to make it up. The difference between dropping both Seattle games and winning one is gigantic.

    I’m not completely counting out SF for the division but given that they are currently 3 games behind in the loss column plus 1-2 in division and we already beat them once, we have a huge tiebreaker lead on them as well. So that’s like a 4-win lead, and they’ve still got to face us again and Seattle twice. They do have a (relatively) easy schedule besides that, facing some of the losing teams from the NFC East and AFC West that we’ve already beaten (NYG, Wash, Oak). But even if you assume those are three W’s for them, that puts them at 8-4 with a game against us, 2 vs. Seattle, and SD remaining. They’d pretty much have to run the table to in the division to have a legit shot, considering that if they lose just one division game they’re at best 11-5 and 3-3 in division and will likely lose any tiebreakers.

  68. By clssylssy on Nov 12, 2014 | Reply

    JTDG…i agree with you about the Seahawks, for the most part. Wilson is an enormous talent but their strength is in their ground game, (specifically Marshawn Lynch) which is also our strength at controlling. There defense is also about as good as ours. Whereas, the 9ers have multiple threat fronts in addition to their ground game (also their strength) and they are all tough and physical players with a QB who is scrappy and a dangerous threat rushing all by himself! Do I think we can beat them…yes, I do IF we are on our game and don’t begin by sleepwalking expecting our defense to pull out a last minute save. In past years the sheer physicality of the Hawks and 9ers was a big concern, not so much now. We just don’t have the run game we need and that may be the difference maker. Both of these games will be chess matches and a contest between play callers and to that end, I put my money on BA!

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