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Mathieu could miss time; Veldheer hurting

Posted by Darren Urban on December 1, 2014 – 12:39 pm

The broken left thumb of safety Tyrann Mathieu leaves a lot in the air about Mathieu’s immediate future, coach Bruce Arians said Monday. Mathieu was at the doctor as Arians met with the media, and the checkup was to determine the best course of action going forward for the thumb. There is a chance Mathieu, in order to properly set it, will need a pin inserted. If that happens, Arians said, Mathieu would be out three weeks. But there is also a chance Mathieu will be able to cast it up and play.

Left tackle Jared Veldheer also sprained his ankle late in the Atlanta game. He never came out it is now something Veldheer has to deal with, and Arians did not know if that meant Veldheer could miss a game. Bradley Sowell would take Veldheer’s place if that happened. Starting right guard Paul Fanaika is also dealing with an ankle sprain, leaving his status up in the air. Running back Andre Ellington (hip pointer) will miss Wednesday’s practice, Arians said, and the Cards will go from there on his status.

But there is good news. Linebacker Matt Shaughnessy is coming back this week — he’s already been practicing — and will play Sunday, although Arians said the Cards will work him in and not just drop him in the lineup. And Arians said wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald should practice Wednesday coming back from his knee sprain.

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46 Responses to “Mathieu could miss time; Veldheer hurting”

  1. By 'ZonaFan89 on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Ugh, it’s getting hard not to let panic start to set in… How the heck do we have so many injuries?! I mean, a few each year are to be expected, but this?? It’s like our whole dang team is/has been injured this year!! I don’t remember a year like this before…

    Darren – is this just a freak thing, or something the coaching/training staff need to look at (in regards to conditioning/stretching/warm-ups/etc.)?

  2. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    ‘ZonaFan —

    RE: Injuries

    Point out the injuries that are coaching related and we can have a discussion.

  3. By ASQuiros on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Understood. It’s likely a coincidence we’re so hammered by injuries this year, but it would be prudent to look for contributing trends. It’s hard to ignore.
    This comment reminded me that Whiz put extra focus on stretching, and in 2009 our injuries were surprisingly low. I looked it up, see http://archive.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/31/20090131beatenup0131-CP.html
    The woman was Anne Frederick. Between John Lott and Frederick, the Cards had a great year re: injuries.

  4. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    ASQ —

    RE: 2009

    Or it might have just been a lucky year for injuries. Was Lott a lot worse in the years the Cards lost more players?

  5. By Lee W. Flanagan on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    .It seems to be that most injuries occur because you are not getting the push on the line. Players tend to roll up from behind.

  6. By cardsfan89 on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    I think ZonaFan89 has a point in asking if anything could be related to the publicized “no stretching” thing, but it doesn’t seem like any of these are sprains/strains/pulls. Just dumb luck I guess.Especially with Palmer with the season going so good.

    Darren,
    It seems like just getting Fitz back alone could help out the offense a ton… defense won’t be able to concentrate so much on the deep ball and Stanton essentially gets back a huge possession WR with range. Your thoughts?

  7. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    cardsfan —

    RE: Fitz

    Clearly, adding Fitz should help, assuming he is close to 100 percent. But you still need the quarterback to perform.

  8. By Dynosoar on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    Can we get an updated list of all the injuries we’ve had this season, the ones that kept players out at least one game? (I’m as good with a yes as with a no, or even a perhaps sometime down the road.)

    My brother is pounding his chest (and mine) about how his Seahawks are the better team because of the injuries they’ve suffered throughout this season and while I’m not going to say “yeah, but look at what we’ve suffered through” (because that’s an argument that just doesn’t end), it’d be interesting to see is our injuries are really more than other teams or if it’s perceived.

    Obviously, we’ve had more than I can remember, but sometimes I can’t remember what I did last Wednesday evening.

    Suffering through is what most teams seem to do, we’re winning because we’re not suffering through, we’re living the mantra “next man up.”

    The Lombardi trophy or nothing at all!

  9. By D on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    My Christmas wish is for Palmer to have a successful rehab and be ready by next July.
    The positive from Sunday’s game is if Atlanta fires their coach (and odds are they could win the division with a 7-9 record and would keep him) then at least T. Bowles and his defense didn’t show Arthur Blank a great performance to entice Mr. Blank to bring Todd in for an interview..

  10. By charge cards on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Hi Darren!
    Kevin Minter was supposed to be an impact player but he is seldom mentioned. Is he playing many snaps and how is he performing on the field? Thank you.

  11. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Charge —

    RE: Minter snaps

    I’d have to do research. He’s used in the base defense sometimes, but the Cards are in their nickel much more often.

  12. By FiredguyAZ on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    How many times this season will Patrick Peterson blame himself for such a really, really bad performance? Its not just Jones that out played him, several other WR have beat him badly this season. He has been late, out of position and slow. That huge contract weighing him down?

  13. By Garrapata Red on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Jimmy Johnson said what was on everyone’s mind: ‘Next man up’ is a worthy work ethic that encourages a positive attitude throughout the team, but in practical terms, it’s viable up until the point you run out of men. My impression is the same as zonafan89….it really does seem freakish, but my gut feeling is that it’s similar across the league. I would be interested to see the macro stats on injuries across the NFL from year to year….I sense that the baseline is going up….bigger players moving faster results in more injuries. Just a thought, but I’d like to see the stats one way or the other.

  14. By Marlin on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,
    I asked you last week about reserve tackles. You confirmed my thought that beyond Sowell, we had no one either at the roster or practice squad level. Might that be because they have been working Watford at tackle….or because Fanaika was a tackle before he moved to guard?

  15. By Darren Urban on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Marlin —

    RE: Tackle

    We haven’t been able to watch practice so I don’t know who might have been working there since. I suppose Watford could get work there.

  16. By Rick on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    I think when Palmer is able is join the team on the sidelines it would do wonders for Stanton. Palmer is our starting QB regardless he is the leader of this offense along with Fitzgerald. We need him on the sidelines if nothing but to help Stanton. We need this win on Sunday guys this game is crucial because the Rams look scary and then the Seahawks are the Seahawks of old. This game could be the definition of our season. I’ll be there this Sunday and we need the RED SEA to rise up and bring the NOISE cause we need this one bad guys. Go Cards !!!

  17. By John The Draft Guy on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Oh the news just keeps getting better.

    Let’s see, we have a must win at home against the Chiefs.

    Meanwhile, Veldheer, our LT is hurting.

    Yep, just in time for two of the best pass rushers in the league with Hali and Houston.

  18. By Richard L on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Lets’ get Grice more playing time and a chance to make plays. He can step in for Ellington this week. Arains said he was please with Grice on his interview today. Let’s see what Grice can do with a full game. Not just when we are in passing mode at the end of a game. I’m curious. He was a beast in College and got better as the game when along.

  19. By Eric G on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT, more injuries. Let’s see who else the football gods and take away from the Cards next week.

    Kinda feel like the Cards are the Al Bundy of football, every time things start to look bright and we can get our hopes up and be happy, disaster strikes.

  20. By D on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Anthony Steen to active roster…that’s good…would like to see him get some snaps this year..he could be the future starter at Center some day. (if he can stay healthy) He was very good at ALA

  21. By Scott H on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Well, this is par for the course. It just wouldn’t be a normal week for this team if we weren’t losing more key players to injury. Christ, what key players are we even gonna have not in a cast or a brace or sling or on crutches by the end of the season? It is just cruel how this has played out for the Cardinals.

    People can be down on Stanton all they want – and he has not played as well as I was hoping he would – but was it really fair to ask that he make up for the continued injuries AND our in-ability to run the ball? No, that would not have been a realistic expectation.

    I don’t mean to sound like I’m giving a eulogy here, but I think the injuries have just become too much for this team to overcome at this point. This team has had to plug players in ALL OVER THE FRIGGIN PLACE, ALL FRIGGIN YEAR. It has to catch up with you at some point because of all the crash-course learning, on-the-job-training, and adjustments that go along with that. No one has had to adjust to / try to compensate for more than the Cardinals this year. Again, it’s just cruel how it’s truly taking it’s toll now.

  22. By DTL on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Heard ADub today. Very thoughtful insights. He noted lack of O ldrship with Palmer and Fitz out. Also, noted that D with so many new and young players playing that many have never been in that situation, little experience to draw on in preparing for 4-7 but desperate, at home Atlanta team.

    I’m buying inthat our guys will have the eye of the tiger for Chiefs. He finally noted that Chiefs front 7 are much better than Atl, so very tough game ahead. Cards 20 Chiefs 17. Cards get 10th win. Go. Cards.

  23. By DTL on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Scott: nothing like a little home cooking for the Cards!

  24. By CreditCard on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    Isn’t it amazing on how we fans turn so quickly. Penthouse to doghouse in one game.

    Chiefs will be a tough challenge — they are strong where we’ve shown weakness. Rams (as I predicted) are the best team in the NFC West. Seattle will be gunning for another play off run. Fortunately, I think SF will have a fork in them by the time the Cards play the 9ers.

    I personally believe it is time for the Cards to put their arms around reality — play some reserves and see if they are worthy moving forward. Watford and Cooper s/b in at guard. Play Stinson, Mauro, and Martin up front. See if Minter can follow his shadow.

    Play Brown x 2 at wide out, and Grice and Taylor at RB. Tell them if they play well — we’ll call you to join us for OTAs in May. More than likely a better product will be out there anyhow.

  25. By cert33 on Dec 1, 2014 | Reply

    All Super Bowl hopes went down with Palmer’s ACL. With Stanton at QB, together with all the other injuries and suspensions, this team is entering the toughest part of the schedule with a squad comparable to the 2012 Whisenhunt team. We will be extremely fortunate to make the playoffs and probably will not. Pretty amazing after a 9-1 start. Something to build on, I suppose.

  26. By Dr. G. on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Just awful..for the men who really have the HEART to play hard.

    Peterson…you are proving your heart is in the fancy cars you showed on TV, not on the field. Keim covers for you a bit and gives you credit for a WR making his own error. You are getting schooled regularly. I am trying to pitch you for a Safety position, but you will need to learn how to wrap up. The cannon ball roll does not cut it. You have some serious work to do to earn the FANS’ respect again. YOUR REAL PRIORITIES ARE WHAT NOW????……………

    Veldheer…he is one of our MVPS’ this year…hope he will be OK soon…

  27. By shannon robinson on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    I’m happy to get Matt Shaughnessy back. He was one of Mr. Keim’s first free agent signings and then we extended his contract after one year. He’s really a Defensive End who is very proud to be in the Linebacker Room. Matt is the Cards’ answer to containing and clobbering a running QB like we’ll see in two out of the next four games. Anthony Steen is Steve Keim’s Christmas gift to the Cards’ fans who were asking for an offensive lineman in the draft. He was Bama’s most consistent blocker in their Championship run. It was a shock to me that he was undrafted and I’m ecstatic he was hidden on our practice squad for so long – it’s great he’s finally getting a paycheck. I have high hopes for the Redhead’s future on our offensive line. A salute of the Cardinal Wing to Jonathon Cooper who played some smashmouth football for us Sunday like we all knew he would. First in the NFC and a one game lead in the Division and there’s not a dry eye in the house!

  28. By Andy Kw on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Losing Veldheer would be a blow to our offense but getting Larry Fitzgerald back would be good.

  29. By Andy Kw on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Hey Darren, any chance we could pick up Antoine Cason in the waiver wire?

  30. By Darren Urban on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Andy —

    RE: Cason

    Doubt it. Bethel would be ahead of him. Also, who would you cut?

  31. By Dynosoar on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    clssylssy,

    I have often wondered if, with the new CBA and less official practices if players get together to work on timing and such, some of the fundamentals so to speak. I was unaware (have never read it) that Manning demands time away from the organized practices to work on timing, but it makes sense. He’s a professional in every sense.

    I appreciate a good discussion. So where does the responsibility of the coaches end and that of the players begin. This exchange does bring to mind Lombardi’s first words to a Packers team when he took over as head coach, “This is a football.”

    Perhaps players need reminding of fundamentals, but I do feel at this point they should take that responsibility upon themselves, whether the coaches address it or not. Like Manning, go out on their off time and do some extra practice if needed. They’re coming into the facility to weight train and watch film on Victory Monday, are they throwing the ball around as well? Good question. Good discussion.

    One reason Zorn and Largent were so good is they went everywhere together. They were best friends and knew what the other would do in most any given situation. So they connected and connected a lot.

  32. By jme on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    after a day of thinking, Im looking at this +, Get the 2 game loss out of the way, feel the sting and now go out and dew business. This 2 week wake up call is going to benefit this team going into the last quarter of the season and into the playoffs. Drew i think will benefit big time from this, as a QB he must lead from the bottom up, not just the top. Defense needs to feed the offense and the offense needs to reward the defense.
    quote; WShakespeare
    Let me embrace thee, sour adversity, for wise men say it is the wisest course.

  33. By Dynosoar on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    As to Ray Rice…

    When Dwyer was arrested and removed from the team (although now it looks like he’s just suspended, clarification on his status please) I don’t recall anyone saying “give him a second chance and keep him aboard.”

    So what’s different. If we’re willing to let Dwyer go, why would we change our tune and welcome Rice?

    No! I say this organization sent a clear message regarding Dwyer and domestic violence and Should Not change that message for Rice.

    It does beg the question, why keep Washington? While the question is out there, we as fans do not have all the facts that the team has so it’s hard to compare. It may look like apples to apples on the surface, but with more information would become apples to oranges.

    Based on what I’ve seen, however, Dwyer and Rice are apples to apples so treat them the same.

    No Dwyer. No Rice.

  34. By michael on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Darren, any chance the Cards bring in Cason to help with DB depth now that mathieu is out a few weeks?

  35. By Dynosoar on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Two thoughts from the Headlines article on Mathieu’s thumb,

    ‘Mathieu had been hoping to cast up the thumb and play with it immediately.” – This kid just loves to play. My son is like this, just attacks everything with the attitude of, I can do it. Even if everyone says no, I’m going to do it because I can. And he’s learned from overcomming addiction that he can do anything he sets his mind to.

    The second is that Darren Fells is huge! I don’t understand why he’s not on the field, but his learning curve is such that he still needs to learn some of the fundamentals. So looking forward to seeing more of Fells.

  36. By Andy Kw on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    I am thinking about next year’s roster:
    QB: Carson Palmer, Drew Stanton, Logan Thomas
    RB: Andre Ellington, Stepfan Taylor, Robert Hughes
    WR: Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, John Brown, Jaron Brown
    TE: John Carlson, Troy Niklas
    OT: Jared Veldheer, Bobby Massie
    OG: Jonathan Cooper, Paul Fanaika, Anthony Steen
    C: Lyle Sendlein

    DE: Calais Campbell, Frostee Rucker, Kareem Martin, Jace Mauro
    DT/NT: Darnell Docket, Alameda Ta’amu, Ed Stinson
    OLB: Alex Okafor, Matt Shaughnessy, Lorenzo Alexander
    ILB: Daryl Washington, Glenn Carson, Kevin Minter
    CB: Patrick Peterson, Jerraud Powers, Justin Bethel
    FS/SS: Tyrann Mathieu, Rashad Johnson, Deone Bucannon, Tony Jefferson

    ST: K Chandler Catanzaro, P Dave Zastudil, LS Mike Leach

    Resign: NT Dan Williams, ILB Larry Foote, CB Antonio Cromartie, OLB Sam Acho
    Position Targets in NFL Draft: OLB, ILB, CB
    Targets for FA: RB, OG, OLB, KR/PR

    Released/Cut: QB Ryan Lindley, RB Michael Bush, RB Jonathan Dwyer, RB Marion Grice, WR Ted Ginn Jr, OG Ted Larsen, OG Earl Watford, OT Bradley Sowell, TE Darren Fells, TE Rob Housler, TE Matthew Mulligan, DT Tommy Kelly, OLB John Abraham, OLB Marcus Benard, ILB Kenny Demens, CB Eddie Whitley, P Drew Butler

  37. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    DTL —

    I respect ADub’s comments (and your repetition of them here) but people focus on “leadership” when the issue is the guys just aren’t as good. If Stanton threw the ball well we wouldn’t be worrying about his “leadership.”

  38. By Chuck 1 on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    If I recall correctly, BA has said “Good teams don’t lose two games in a row (or something like that)”.

    Does that mean the the Cards aren’t a good team?

  39. By Dynosoar on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Chuck 1,

    Good? They’re great!

    So no, they aren’t good.

    The Lombardi trophy or nothing at all!

  40. By Mike on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    We need Lott back!!!!!!!!!! all these injuries

  41. By Timmy on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    In the words of Aaron Rogers R-E-L-A-X!!!!!!!!!! They are 9-3 and in first place in the NFC. This is the very first bump in the season; and everyone is talking about next year, like this season is over with. I still firmly believe the Cards can make the playoffs, and most likely win the division. Seattle’s schedule isn’t exactly easy. If Cards can take care of Chiefs and Seattle loses to Philly IN PHILLY, then Cards are 2 games up with 3 left to play! That is very realistic! Once in the playoffs, who knows. This is a good team and we should show our support!

  42. By Andy Kw on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    I agree, we do need John Lott. Who’s conditioning and training our players any ways?

  43. By cert33 on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    I guess that everyone is trying to ignore the fact that the Atlanta Falcons were (and are) a 2nd level team with a lot of weaknesses, especially on defense. They are probably the least talented team (next to the lowly Raiders) we will play this season. Unless a whole lot of players get well real fast, there is a major revival in attitude, and someone steps up at QB with an accurate arm, we very well might not win another game this season. We will end up tied with the Rams for last place in the NFC West at 9-7 after starting the season 9-1. As ugly as this sounds, all of you old time Cardinal fans know that this is a very real possibility. You know what we all witnessed last Sunday. We will now see what Arian’s can do in the toughest 4 games of our schedule with a player talent level that is dropping fast.

  44. By Chuck 1 on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    A little off topic; however, I’m starting to more strongly question Keim’s draft choice, contract and other decisions e.g. not drafting a bigger RB, but instead drafting Ell; drafting Taylor, who’s been mostly invisible; his inability (refusal?) to upgrade the O-Line so that the Cards can have an effective run game; spending a #7 draft pick on Cooper, who should have been able, by now, to beat out one of the two OGs; of course, the Swope fiasco; giving Peterson a new (exorbitant) contract before it was necessary; not finding a better back-up punter than Butler; signing Ted Ginn; and drafting Minter, who hasn’t fulfilled his “potential”.

    I’m sure that there are more, but my fingers are tired and others can probably add to my list.

  45. By tom on Dec 2, 2014 | Reply

    Two things stand out for me. Say what you want about Peterson, and he wasn’t good Sunday, but he just missed on at least three passes, and he didn’t give up that 41 yard pass as the receiver was clearly out of bounds. That should have been challenged. Blame the coach on that one. Also, Floyd fumbles on the 18 yard line. If we go in and score there its a different game. Same thing against Seattle. We get a first down on the seventeen and a holding call nullifies that, and don’t forget the dropped pass in the end zone. Clean up this stuff. The Cardinals are a good team. They should go 11/5, or 12/4. .

  46. By Scott H on Dec 3, 2014 | Reply

    Timmy –

    Yeah…a LOT easier to R-E-L-A-X when your QB is Aaron Rodgers, isn’t it? We kinda have a different situation here.

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