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Why Warner isn’t/wasn’t an option

Posted by Darren Urban on December 22, 2014 – 3:47 pm

I hesitate to bring up the ‘W’ word at this point, with Sunday night and Ryan Lindley’s struggles still so fresh on everyone’s mind. I don’t see the Cardinals making any kind of quarterback transactions at this point, just trying to tread water until Drew Stanton can play. But after all the talk about Kurt Warner and can he come back and hey, maybe he’s even thought about coming back, bottom line, he can’t.

Yes, even if the Cards thought it was a good idea and he thought it was a good idea, it’s a non-starter. A league spokesman confirmed Warner is on the Cardinals’ reserve/retired list. NFL rules state someone on the reserve/retired list cannot be reinstated in the last 30 days of a season. That means even when Warner first hinted about it during the game against the Rams, it was already too late.

(Forget about the fact he’s 43 and has been out of football for five years and isn’t physically or mentally prepped to be able to jump into an NFL lineup.)

No, it was never going to work.

(Profootballtalk.com pointed out that Warner could be reinstated had he been put through waivers, but that another team could have and likely would have claimed him just to block such a move.)

In the meantime, the Cardinals are turning to Logan Thomas for a start Sunday against the 49ers, although Bruce Arians said he will have the quick hook in place for Thomas. Stanton is unlikely to play this week as the Cardinals try and get him ready for a playoff game.

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36 Responses to “Why Warner isn’t/wasn’t an option”

  1. By NJAzCardsFan on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Last night was a humilating defeat of Epic proportions……

    I can’t understand why BA got away from the running game with Lindley’s inability to hit a receiver…..

  2. By KevinS on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Why did we keep Lindley in 2013 and cut Skelton ? That was a dumb move, at least Skelton had passing touchdowns and went 6-2 in 2011. I say bring him back for insurance sake, reality is Stanton and Skelton are about the same and we have no backup going into the playoffs. BA is being arrogant in thinking we can go into the playoffs without a reliable backup. Yeah Skelton got blown away in Seattle in 2012 but he also beat them as well as SF. It is better to cut Lindley and get Skelton so he can learn the book going into the playoffs as backup. Lindley is like some kind of perpetual charity case and has yet to throw a touchdown pass in a regular season game ! In Skelton’s rookie season 2010 he performed much better than Lindley and Logan in their rookie year, he saved the 2011 season winning out. I do not think we can hold everything on Skelton for 2012. I still remember the Dallas 2010 game on Xmas !

  3. By Cardman on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Darren, this is a much better explanation than your offhand comment, “Warner is retired, period.”

  4. By Darren Urban on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Cardman —

    RE: Warner

    That’s fine. But it sounds like Warner wasn’t even aware of this rule. He wasn’t coming back because he wasn’t coming back. In other words, he is retired. Period.

  5. By Chris Lewis on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    I just hope the Lindley project is over once and for all, I thought maybe after a few years of maturing that he might be better, but he’s only gotten worse. I understand that Seatle has one of the best defenses, but c’mon, he would’ve made the worst defense in the league look good, he just doesn’t have a clue out there, there were guys open on numerous occasions and he didn’t come close to connecting. I hate to say it, but Arizona is in trouble if we don’t get Stanton back soon, and even when he coms back, I don’t think he’s good enough to take us very far in the playoffs, we might as well look forward to next season with Palmer coming back healthy. Oh well, at least we made the playoffs. I gotta give credit to my Cards because with all the injuries, etc. it could’ve been a lot worse, this team is resilient and never gives up.

  6. By Jim Schu on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,

    Do you think the performance of the defence yesterday increases Todd Bowles’ chances of being here next year? #silverlinings

  7. By Darren Urban on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Jim Schu —

    RE: Bowles

    I still think Bowles will be a hot candidate.

  8. By Steve on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Darren: If the Bears clean house as has been rumored and dangle QB Jay Cutler in a trade would it make sense for the Cards to try and trade for him even though Palmer is guaranteed $20 million thru next season? Maybe B.A. could bring out the best in Cutler who is still only 31.

  9. By Darren Urban on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Cutler

    You’d have to do some major dancing with the salary cap.

  10. By W on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Thanks for he clarification, even if you are a few weeks late!

  11. By clssylssy on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    It seems I recall BA saying repeatedly that Logan Thomas was progressing but wasn’t near ready and he didn’t want to ruin him by throwing him in to play prematurely. Most of us have seen that happen before, most recently with John Skelton as well as Ryan Lindley and many have been very openly critical (to put it mildly) of Coach Whisenhunt, so I have to wonder why suddenly this is a good idea and our best option for winning a game against the 9ers? Again, this is the 9ers with an extremely explosive offense and a QB who ran 90 yds for a TD against the Chargers!
    I know many will say that we don’t have another option but wasn’t that the case when BA/Keim chose to go with Ryan Lindley in the most critical game of our season? Seems like the same situation, different week.
    Or, perhaps it was the extra days off after the Rams game when we needed to keep the momentum going…it’s all kinda irrelevant at this point. That really was the fast ride from the Penhouse to the outhouse we had been cautioned about!

  12. By rick on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    We just need Palmer back he really was the General of this offense. Stanton is good too but Palmer definitely understands this offense and was playing at a high level. We were undefeated while Palmer was our QB this year. Can`t wait til he gets back next year but we can win with Stanton. Hope the Rams can pull it off next week. GO CARDS!

  13. By rick on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Just occurred to me that Lynch must have pooped his pants before that 70 yard TD. That would explain why our guys didn`t want to tackle him low. He did have an upset stomach lol. GO RED BIRDS!

  14. By Chuck 1 on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    And, I can’t understand why BA is throwing Thomas to the 49 “Wolves”.
    Is it because BA wants to find out if he’s worth keeping or Keim and he need to draft a QB in 2015?

  15. By rod on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Let’s do it, we know who Lindley is, let’s find out who Thomas is.

    GO CARDINALS!!

  16. By Lena Luchenta on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Darren,
    Come on!! Have you seen Kurts Physics???? Really? Are we looking at the same bod??? Or the same exercises I’ve seen him doing ? He’s in wonderful shape! He may have been out of the league for last five years but my god, the guys a Roman!!

  17. By joannamcgrath on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Lindley was never set up for success in that game. The guy just did not have the skills for that gameplan. Arians is a good coach but an absolutely abysmal play caller. He needs to hand the reins over to somebody who can do the job

  18. By jwoodaz on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Would have been a great way to finish, but alas on to Logan Thomas. This kid just has a look that says with the coaching staff here he has a chance to be a great one. I can understand the fact coaches hesitate to put him in, I get it. The reality is his drop steps are longer than any other Qb’s on the roster, he moves faster, especially with the Adrenaline he must have coursing in him, he’s a rookie and all.no real length of snaps with 1st team, etc. With an extra 6 “s between the o-line, tight end help to the rush side, and get more than a single snap in a game no matter how bad the first series is, let Fanaika play left guard,( Larsen’s strength is on the right), if Fanaika is doing it then Earl Watford you’re on deck, we have a Hulk and it gives Massie the space it seems he’s trying to get on so many snaps against fast outside rushers, and let this 3rd string, 4th?, have at..Lindley can always come back in. How bad could it be and it might answer questions of another Qb in the next draft instead of a coverage linebacker, or O line depth to challenge the depth chart, our d line isn’t getting any younger either, at least the veterans playing lights out for 40 minutes most games, it’s a long time for those studs to play for 5 months straight. 41 days to super bowl and alot is gonna happen in the next couple of weeks, whatever does Go Cards! A lot of talent with depth on this Team, next year is looking pretty cool too..

  19. By Kris on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Bring in Tebow! He can’t be worse than the two we got left! Get over yourselves and sign the guy!

  20. By Kris on Dec 22, 2014 | Reply

    Two weeks to prepare for playoffs gets tebow in game shape!

  21. By Flams on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Heartbreaking… Sadly, we never had a chance. I am the biggest Cardinal fan on the planet, and as much as it hurts to say it. We desperetly needed that win. Now going on the road, and not having the first round bye, I don’t think (playing the way we did this weekend) we will get passed the first playoff game. I pray that I am wrong. We have had such a magical season. such a promising season. A season that could’ve put AZ in the history books. Now it just seems like a really really long shot. I don’t just blame Lindley, although he looked out of place out there. It seemed as though he was just trying to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible, even when he didn’t need too! Cro was burned 4 to 5 times. We left guys completely open. Peterson could have made some game changers, but wasn’t able to capitalize. There was just too much emphasis on getting to Wilson that others were left ridiculously open. The sad part about it, is that every “so called expert” on TV got what they wanted. Let’s hope for a miracle. Stanton CAN do it. Let’s just hope he can be healthy enough to come back. I really thought the game would be so much closer than it was. Horrible the way they dissmantled our team. It’s heartbreaking… I love my team. It hurt to see that happen. United we stand devided we fall…

  22. By Storm Byrd on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    I can’t believe this needs to be said. This is like the Tebow barrage Mr. Urban has been subject to over the past 2-3 weeks. I haven’t paid close enough attention, maybe he has been subjected to the Tebow nonsense since Palmer’s first nerve injury in week 1. Either way, it’s outrageous. Warner was never coming back and Tebow is never coming to AZ…or likely back into the NFL for that matter….but what about Donovan McNabb? Any chance they’ll get him now???? haha! For clarity, that McNabb remark is sarcastic.

  23. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    I understand being frustrated about last night’s game, but I don’t understand fans feeling “humiliated” or “embarrassed.” We played against one of the best teams in football, playing their best football all year, with a QB that we just signed off someone else’s practice squad. We kept the game close for 3 quarters. Then our defense, knowing they had to make a big play to get us in the game since the offense had done nothing for 3 quarters, played too aggressively and we allowed some easy scores in the 4th. When your offense can’t even put up a single TD because your QB is terrible, you’re not going to win many football games.

    But now, let me ask you… if the Cardinals were playing Carson Palmer, and if earlier this year Russell Wilson had gotten hurt and midway through the season the Hawks had to start playing their backup (Tavaris Jackson), and then last week Jackson had gotten hurt and so against us the Hawks either had to start BJ Daniels off their practice squad or some other guy they had just picked up off some other team’s practice squad, who hadn’t played all year and had exactly one week to prepare with the first team, what do you think the result would be? Not many teams are going to win games suddenly being forced to turn to their 3rd string guy against a great defense.

  24. By Dave Chaney on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    The Seahawks dared BA to try and pass the ball and of course Ryan Lindley (our NFL record breaking QB) failed miserably. It isn’t often a 3rd string/PS QB will all of a sudden become a champ (unless his name happens to be KW). This all leads to the decision to start Logan Thomas. I suppose some people will view it as the Cards throwing in the towel for the last game but I like to look on the bright side. Not only does it give Thomas a whole game to show whether or not he has the potential to ultimately become the starter, but also will keep the whiners guessing about what the game plan will be. As I have said before, it’s been a great season and I am hoping it will end on a high note. Go Cards!

  25. By hminus on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Only a handful of QB’s can succeed w/o a decent run game,[Rodgers/Manning/Brady,]everyone else needs run support to have success…the ONLY chance we had of winning was to commit to run 1st to set up play action,nothing else would work…

  26. By hminus on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    When Palmer went down,the game plan should IMMEDIATLY have been changed to give Stanton/Lindley/Thomas half a chance to succeed…have the same commitment on offense as on defense…run 1st/stop the run 1st…& THEN the pass game will work…

  27. By Lee W. Flanagan on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    2 touchdowns in the last 34 quarters or so. One was definitely a “free bee” at the end of a game. I still question the offensive coaching throughout the season. Palmer had protection but the routes never opened up for the most part. Other teams are open all the time. Cardinals coaching need to understand their own offensive weaknesses and change it to a strength and use it against their opponents. Someone in the staff isn’t figuring it out. Lot of it is obvious but continue to do the same. Come on coaches.

  28. By Big Ken on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    We are in the playoffs. Lets see what Logan can do in this throw away game. You’ve got to rest Stanton if you have any chance. I’d love to know what they think of Logan Thomas at this point, keep him or draft another QB. Has he progressed the way they wanted?

  29. By Red Dead Redemption on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    I was not aware of the rule, good to know, for I was one of the people wondering about Warner and Farve right away.
    The reality is Thomas can’t be worse than Lindley. He certainly was far for the land of good, average, or even below average against Denver. But that was then, I think he can play at an average level now.
    Also all the commentators under the age of 35 are probably as good or better than Lindley too. He’d struggle to be a backup in the Arena Football league and he is bad even for a third string. Lindley is a poor man’s version of Max Hall…. Max Hall was the poor man’s Max Hall!

  30. By Andrew on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Kind of sick of hearing about this honestly, what’s with some athletes and their never-ending plea for attention even after their career is long over. Yes, we loved Kurt Warner when he was a Cardinal but that is old news now. Stop trying to make yourself sound like you coulda just waltzed in and won us a ring.

  31. By Richard S on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    RANK TEAM* RATING
    1 SEATTLE(1) 103.42
    2 NE(3) 103.15
    3 GBAY(16) 98.81
    4 DENVER(4) 98.68
    5 DALLAS(20) 96.2
    6 CINCY(5) 95.02
    7 PITT(11) 94.68
    8 KC(14) 93.93
    9 BALT(17) 93.48
    10 RAMS(12) 93.34
    11 BUFF(23) 93.17
    12 PHIL(9) 92.93
    13 ARIZ.(8) 92.55
    14 ATL(19) 92.54
    15 DETROIT(15) 92.21
    16 INDY(13) 91.88
    17 HOUSTON(29) 91.75
    18 SD(10) 91.28
    19 MIA(21) 91.06
    20 GIANTS(22) 90.9
    21 SANFRAN(2) 90.51
    22 MINN(18) 89.41
    23 CAROLINA(7) 89.37
    24 NO(6) 88.54
    25 CLEVELAND(28) 87.04
    26 JETS(26) 84.98
    27 TAMPA(25) 83.94
    28 WASH(30) 82.65
    29 OAK(31) 82.13
    30 CHICAGO(24) 82.04
    31 JAX(32) 80.46
    32 TENNESEE(27) 77.09

    After the debacle, Cards drop from 7th to 13th. 66.25% correct predictions for the year. 159/240. Highest team ranking for year – 5th. Unfortunately, the systems next years rankings will start off based on end of regular season rankings, which might even be lower after the next game with San Francisco. Although with Carson’s return the Cards should rank higher than they will be listed by the system. Hope they get some good draft picks and some free agent pickups.

  32. By Richard S on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    I think whoever the Seattle defensive coach is would have a better chance of picking up a head coaching job than the Cardinals DC. They don’t blitz as much and have a very effective defense.

  33. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Lee W. Flanagan —

    That is one thing I’ve always noticed too… it seems like on other teams, even the best receivers are wide open way too often. When we have a big play (like the long catch by John Brown), the guy isn’t wide open on busted coverage… he has to outrun everyone and then the pass needs to be perfect. Maybe I’m wrong and this is just what our perception is, but it sure seems like we have to earn our passing yards with either precision passing or hard-fought yards after the catch, whereas other teams have guys open consistently (the 2 TD’s and the long 39-yard pass on 2nd and 20 from Wilson to Willson in Sunday’s game all come to mind, as do a few of the catches by Baldwin).

  34. By Tumbleweed on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    Darren please find a rule that is preventing us from signing Tim Tebow so we can end that nonsense also.

  35. By Keith on Dec 23, 2014 | Reply

    When are we going to get a real fan chant besides the laim “lets go cardinals”. We need to make it happen. The organization needs to help facilitate it by prompting the crown initially at games and local sports talk can help get it going also. We need to make it happen!

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