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The speculation on Adrian Peterson

Posted by Darren Urban on March 16, 2015 – 10:09 am

It was quite the weekend, with free agency around the league slowing down and some tidbits floated here and there about the Cardinals and Adrian Peterson. No, I don’t think anything is imminent and I continue to hold to my original thought — that the Vikings will find a way to keep him. Keeping him, even at his salary, to help with young QB Teddy Bridgewater, is in my opinion the best football decision for the Vikings. Maybe Peterson is unhappy and doesn’t want to stay. But I don’t see them just cutting him, and the reality is, Peterson only has so much leverage. What’s he going to do — sit out a second straight season in his prime? That doesn’t make sense to me.

As for some of the other stuff that’s been said:

— Peter King is saying the Cardinals haven’t even had any discussions with the Vikings.

— Charles Robinson, who certainly seems to be talking someone in Peterson’s camp, keeps saying Peterson wants $25 million guaranteed over three years. OK. If you are just doing the guaranteed money, that’s a little more than $8M a year, but it’d be all guaranteed. Most deals have money beyond guaranteed too. Do you do that for a guy who will be 30 next week? Yes, it’s less than what he’s making, but …

— Robinson says Peterson is willing to restructure. What Carson Palmer did was restructure. Is Peterson willing to take a pay cut? If so, how much?

The draft is full of prospects. Cheap prospects. If you still like Andre Ellington — and there is no reason to think the Cardinals do not — the Cards could pick up a good between-the-tackles guy in the first or second round and pair him with Ellington and still be left with cap room.

— Everyone assumed the Palmer restructure was a harbinger of something. It still could be. But the Cards might have just been getting low on cap space — they have, according to the NFLPA, about $9.9 million in space, and Palmer’s move created about $7M — and if they were going to do something with Palmer’s deal they had to when they did because his bonus was due last week. It might’ve been as simple as that. The Cards need around $4 million in cap space to bring in their top draft picks. Without Palmer’s move, they had about $3 million.

Fitz isn’t being traded. Period. Forget the logistics or cap hit or anything. Ownership wanted Larry Fitzgerald in a Cardinals uniform. He is an important face of the franchise, and that’s why this new deal was done. The Cardinals aren’t going to let him go.

Again, I’m not saying a Peterson trade could not happen. But there are so many moving parts, between what his contract would be, what the Vikings might want in trade, whether the Vikings would even want to part with him, and what other teams around the league might offer (just because Peterson says he wants to go to this team or that doesn’t mean the Vikings have to accommodate him) it’s tough to get a true handle where this will go.

As far as “going for it,” I just keep coming back to this thought from GM Steve Keim, who has said a version of this to me many times: “You always have to think about the long-term health of the organization.” He’s talking in terms of the salary cap. Keim often mentions “sustained success.” That doesn’t mean you can’t add a veteran who costs some money. But any undertaking will have some deep thought, and deep research, behind it.

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84 Responses to “The speculation on Adrian Peterson”

  1. By Isaac on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Any reason to restructure Palmer beyond using that money in free agency? Is there any reason to get the cap space but then not use it this season?

  2. By Darren Urban on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Isaac —

    RE: Palmer restructure

    Well, if NFLPA is right and Cards are at $9.9M, then before Palmer they were under $3M — probably not enough to even sign draft class.

  3. By azjam on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Are the Cards finished in Free agency? I don’t see any other scheduled visits by players.

  4. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Peterson is rare opportunity, not like getting E. Smith or E. James on downside. Certain Keim is considering, agree its a looong shot. Like IU’s Coleman with Ellington and Williams and Hughes. Still, there is “a chance” we get AP…

  5. By D on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    It’s funny how both sides are using their media sources to send out trial balloons/ communicate…doubtful MN would release the best back in football and by Mr. Keim’s modus operandi, he isn’t going to over pay or give up valuable draft picks for a player that gives no guarantee of winning the division. Unless AP and his family starts acting like Charles Barkley when he wanted out of Phx, I don’t see this happening.

    The Cards can find a pass rusher in Round 1
    The Cards can find a big back in Round 2
    Round 3- CB or LB

  6. By Richard L on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    My guess is the Cards trade Fitzgerald to the Vikings for Peterson. Almost the same money now. I would be sorry to see Fitz go but Peterson’s production is worth more.

  7. By Darren Urban on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Richard L —

    RE: Fitz

    One more time: Fitz. Will. Not. Be. Traded.

  8. By Travis on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    So glad to hear you again! I was beginning to this you may have disappeared with Putin…

    I say lock up Peterson or Rice and let’s go get this done!

  9. By kauaicardsfan on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Aloha Darren,
    Not to go off subject but in regards to MLB Irving that came to visit but no deal was made can you give any more info? Was the cards not impressed? Physical issues? Just wondering, the follow up on his visit just kind of died?
    Mahalo for all the updates! Hope we get a solid RB in the draft!, AP is way too high at this point.

    GO CARDS!

  10. By Darren Urban on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Kauai —

    RE: Irving

    Probably a physical. Maybe not necessary. Maybe waiting to see what happens with Washington.

  11. By much.faster on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    peterson is much to much risk. how did the vikings do with him? did they ever play a playoff with him?

    better add bradshaw and thomas and richardson together for this money. let them heal, and play them by comittee, lol.
    maybe you can even get tillman for the money ap want`s.

  12. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Let’s face it, getting Peterson would be huge. He is a difference maker and to push money down the road is not always going to kill you.

    With that being said, do the cards have to have Peterson? No. I agree the vikings need him more with Bridgewater at QB.
    I also think Todd Gurley or others in the draft could be effective.

    Ellington is going to be in the mix no matter what. There is no doubt about that. But having a bell cow have 20-25 touches and Ellington 10-12 is more in line.

    We need another back. I think we all can agree with that. Peterson is the best in the game imo. Adding the best back to a vertical passing game would help this offense out. The added o lineman is going to help also. It makes sense to make the move.

    But if they can not make it work, a RB in the draft hopefully can step up and help this offense take another step.

  13. By Whitey on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Thanks Darren for pouring some cold water on this. At this point I’m sick of the Adrian Peterson talk. I know sports radio hosts need something to talk about but wow.

    What has Steve Keim ever done in the last two years that remotely suggests he’d trade for an old running back getting paid a pile of money? His two biggest free agent signings have been offensive linemen in their prime. He has brought in two free agent running backs in Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Dwyer on low money prove it deals. He has used a 5th and 6th round picks on Taylor and Ellington and found guys off the waiver wire who have performed admirably for almost no money.

    Keim has said in multiple interviews that he loves this draft for running backs.

    Why not lock up a cheap young back with a second round pick for four years vs. take a huge financial risk on a back who is 30 years old and hasn’t even played in a year. I hope AP would be in game shape for this coming season, but who knows.

    Keim is way to smart and values draft picks and cap space way too much to do a move like this. I think we should move on to more realistic and interesting topics.

  14. By jimkmcfetridge on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Glad to see Cardinals unwilling to overpay & gamble on AP. Looking forward to them drafting a healthy, young, powerful RB with a good character like Fitz.

  15. By krehbieo14 on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG-

    Agree with your assessment. The Cardinals have leverage by virtue of the fact that they don’t NEED Peterson and he is vulnerable due to off-field issues. Would he take us to a new level? I think so. I believe that Keim is patiently waiting to see what Minnesota is going to do. Most of the media driven drama has been created by Petersons’s camp. Last night, I think the Cardinals tried to quiet the issue. Let’s face it, the only way that Peterson ends up in Arizona is if he takes a significant pay cut. It might be worth it to him for the chance at a new start. How would Bidwill and Keim deal with the child abuse issue based on The Arians Family Charity dedicated to at risk kids? As Darren suggests, there are a lot of moving pieces to this story. It will ultimately play itself out.

  16. By Scott H on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Richard L –

    RE: trading Fitz for AP

    First of all, bite your tongue!

    Second, did you bother actually reading the article, where Darren states FITZ IS NOT BEING TRADED?? Seriously, why would they have done all they did to keep Fitz here, then turn around and trade him??? What sense does that make? If they even thought about a Fitz-for-AP trade, they certainly could have pursued that BEFORE they re-did Fitz’ contract.

    Also, why are you trading Fitz AFTER he agrees to take a pay cut??? That sure would help the OTHER team in that scenario! But it would be completely foolish for the Cardinals.

    Hey, I’m all in favor of trying to get AP here. But NOT in any way that involves parting ways with Fitz.

  17. By John Q on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Andre Ellington took a beating last year because of no open running lanes. This year it’s going to be different with Iupati playing alongside the Hulk. Keim won’t and shouldn’t pay top dollar for AP. The draft will take care of this running back spot. Anyway Cardinals fans, it looks like we are off to a great start for 2015. We should all be very excited.

  18. By clssylssy on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    It’s my understanding that Larry Fitzgerald has a “no trade clause” in his restructured contract and so all this media hyperbole is just…typical media hyperbole. We need a road grader RB and while many fans didn’t understand that Mendenhall was never meant to be an every down back and criticized him profusely, he did do a good job of wearing down the opposition so Ellington could find the holes to run through giving us a decent ground game. BA’s plan of using Ellington every down was flawed from the beginning(because of his size) and as a result he was out on IR when things came down to the wire. I still think we would be OK with Steven Jackson in the Mendenhall role and on the cheap if Keim doesn’t want to pay for AP. (Not LaMar Woodley caring a hx with BA but nontheless a great player and good lockerroom anchor) With BA’s affection for Ellington, adding AP probably wouldn’t be the best use of our resources at any rate. I like Stephan Taylor’s physicality (reminds me of an undeveloped Darren Sproles) but our real problem at the RB position hasn’t been so much a lack of available talent as perhaps not developing and using the talent we have more efficiently. Who is responsible for Player Development these days anyway? Seems that if we are not wanting to pay out the mega bucks we could put more into developing what we have…maybe get a consultant like the Dolphins have in Mike Barwis…somebody who knows how to assess player strengths and weakness and then develop a personalized program for them that blends strength and conditioning, nutrition and wellness, cross training? This kind of approach might also get around the restrictions of the CBA limiting practices so that players would be in optimal condition for using limited real time practices when there number is called? Just a thought..?

  19. By JMB on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Steven Jackson! Part time, change up back, power runner, wants to play, price would be right. Still monies for other FA down the road. We shouldn’t sell our future for one man!

  20. By jeffgollin on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    I like the idea of Steven Jackson more than I do AP (assuming the price is right).

    I get nervous tying up a lot of money on brittle superstars (i.e. I think the risk vs. reward ratio is better with 3 players with uncertain though promising upsides than it is putting all our eggs behind one aging superstar with questionable durability).

  21. By Joe C. on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    I was wondering if there are indicators of future cap space health? Would it be dead money, onerous contracts? Apparently Keim inherited a bad situation, is there a way to show what he inherited vs. what the next 3 years look like? Fitz and Palmer have big dead money hits (if I read correctly). So what huge contracts and/or dead money lurk in our future? How does that compare to what Graves left? Do we look healthy or did our success push cap health down the priority list a little?

  22. By Darren Urban on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Joe C —

    RE: Future caps

    Jason at overthecap.com has the numbers.

    http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals

  23. By Nick on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Seeing AP in a cardinals uniform would sure be great, seems unlikely but fingers crossed. Now I’m not sure how people may take this but, we can afford Steven Jackson and he can give what we want out of a back. Some people think he may be too old or washed up, I disagree i think he has just enough tank to win now and that is exactly where we are. He comes from Las Vegas so I would imagine he has family in that region, and of course when he decides to retire he won’t have to go too far.

  24. By Jacob on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Trade Carson Palmer for Adrian Peterson
    Awesomebtrade

  25. By Davemaham on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    To say the trade won’t happen because of Peterson’s current contract is ridiculous. Not because it’s not true, but because it should be obvious that Peterson would agree to restructure his contract for the trade to take place. This is not unheard of and similar thing just happened with LB Ellerbe in trade from NO to Miami. For so many to say this trade won’t happen based on contract seems foolish to me. Litem is no fool, he knows AP is a game changer, and he knows his value. Don’t be surprised when this trade happens.

    I don’t think Kiem will think twice about giving up a second round pick for a game changer like AP. So what if he’s 30, he has never shown signs of slowing down. He still has 2-3 years of game changing ability left, just so happens we have Carson Palmer for that same amount of time. I believe someone had already brought up the point that the cardinals are making Super Bowl or bust moves. This trade would be the icing on the cake. Kiem is not freeing up $10million in cap space for no reason. And draft picks, with new rules, will come nowhere near filling that cap space. I can guarantee Kiem IS working on a deal, he’d be a fool not to, and we all know he’s no fool. Whoever Kings “source” is….you can be certain it’s not Arians or Kiem. In fact I assumed all along it was Urban. Though he didn’t own up to it in this article, he did confirm he agrees with the points made…

  26. By Andy Kw on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Melvin Gordon and Andre Ellington, that’s be creepy but one heck of an improvement over every other option we currently.have. AP is too pricey but if he restructures his contract, Cards will make a deal

  27. By Andy Kw on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Wow, so when I mentioned Steven Jackson in the past, all of you are like eww. So when someone else posts about him, you all like it. Wow

  28. By Richard L on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    My opinion is from a purely practical basis. Fitz had 2 – 100 yard games each of the past 2 seasons under Arians. Fitz is from Minnesota. Peterson gets you probably 7 – 100 yard games per season over for next 3 years. I may be wrong and I know everyone hates to hear it. But if I were the GM I would make the trade. Just business.

  29. By krehbieo14 on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Davemaham-

    Darren Uban’s comments/assessment is well thought out and reasonable. At this point, we have a lot of speculation with many moving pieces. When anyone makes a major decision, they better look at all the available evidence on ALL sides of the issue. I don’t believe that Keim would be willing to “restructure” AP’s contract. Peterson would have to be open to a pay cut. But all of this is premature, because it seems that the various parties are using the media as their communication tool and Minnesota has not shown an interest in trading AP.

  30. By Dr. G. on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    “D” – – You are correct with the media and their rumors. I do not necessarily want AP here:: I would like to evaluate the RBs we have to see if we have some talent that has not been uncovered as yet….Hyghes, Grice, Kerwyn?? We can look at the draft also. AP would be an asset if he is healthy from his off season, but he does not guarantee anything but other teams keying on him…gives us some flex…

    RichardL – – Fitz trade??? N F W….oops…

    jtdg – – Agreed;; don’t need AP, but the odds in Vegas would dip dramatically! huh?

    Whitney – – ??? Darren is not pouring cold water on anything. He is merely reporting the facts on the AP subject… There are no more “rumors,” only facts that state AP wants out and that he would take a lesser deal. You are selling Keim short in that you think you are in his head and know what he schemes. His history the past 2 years with 1 glaring contract exception is excellent as you point out. But as with the Peyton issue as an aging difference maker, the AP thing is better in that he has not had neck surgery and sat out a year contemplating retiring. We await to see what happens; no one, including Darren is saying “no way.”

    The speculations of the NFL are what make this “game” really serious fun. I plan to dine on crow only occasionally!

    Be well Cards Fans…..

  31. By Coach K on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    This talk about Adrian Peterson is a total distraction and complete nonsense.

    Steve Keim is not stupid. This Peterson conversation is nothing more than a smoke screen. Melvin Gordon is in the Cardinals office on a visit as I wrote this.

    The Cardinals are going to draft a running back. They are not going to give up a first or second round pick this year or next year for a 30-year old running back who has at most three years left in the tank. A 4th round pick is more realistic.

    Granted, the Cardinals pick next year will probably be at the bottom of round one if all goes well this coming season, but I refuse to believe Steve Keim is going to offer much in terms of draft picks for a 30-year old Peterson.

    So let’s just put a sock in the mouth of this story and move on.

  32. By Coach K on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    I agree with JTDG-

    There is excellent RB talent in this draft without fooling around with AP.

    I like Melvin Gordon in round one, Duke Johnson in round two, David Cobb round three, Javorius Allen in round four, or Malcom Brown in round five.

    Many people like Todd Gurley, but he is a red-flag for me. His running style and tall frame tells me he is going to be an injury concern. I love guys who put their head down and run over people. But Gurley has the type of body and running style that screams ACL over and over.

    I like thicker, shorter backs that are built like Eddy Lacy of Green Bay or Jerome Bettis, the former Steeler. These are the body types that have durability.

  33. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Steven Jackson was a great back. WAS.

    He played in the explosive , pass happy Atlanta Falcons offense and still averaged around 3.6 yards a carry over two years. The falcons said goodbye.

    If the AP trade falls through, look to the draft.

    Many of you remember his big game against the cards. That was his only 100 yard game.

    He actually averaged 44 yards per game.

    Why take that on? Why? Are you saying a back in the 4th round can’t get 44 yards a game on 12 carries a game?

    Meanwhile,

    AP is one player who is better than everyone else. He was 8 yards away from the single season record in 2012. He has a career rush of 5 yards per carry.
    Every year he played he has had double digit TDs .
    He is not injured. He sat out and will be fresh.

    One player to elevate a team to the super bowl. Money can be manipulated.
    This franchise has zero super bowls. Zero.

    Safeties have to come up into the box. You will see more one on one chances and it will be easier for Palmer to read defenses. Fitz, Floyd and John Brown, one on one???

    Instead , some of you want Jackson and his 44 yards per game., and hasn’t had more than 7 TDs (per year) in the last 8 years.

    Not take on his money? So next year we can’t resign Floyd and Massie. We have to restructure Campbell, and We have to say good bye to Stanton.
    Would it be worth it??

  34. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    And just to be clear.

    I said we don’t NEED AP. We can find someone in the draft who can do a whole lot better than Jackson.

    I am also saying, we should WANT AP. He is a difference maker and worth the cost. An AP trade could be what puts us over the top.

  35. By Dr. G. on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Coach K – – Not happening – – you cannot dictate the terms of this AP situation; the enthusiasm of the fans/media will not let it go; no stuffing socks until AP and the Vikings mend the fence and/or decide something…no telling at this point. But you seriously need to understand AP’s emotional mindset, right? I do….

    Gordon and our current backs could be formidable to our run game. I would prefer this action as well, but, I would also welcome a reasonable deal for AP….

  36. By NJAzCardsFan on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    A little off topic… I saw where Tebow had a tryout with the Eagles today ….

    Since Lindley was rated above Thomas…… Tebow would be a good choice for the Cards 3rd string QB. This would give him time to learn the offense in case Palmer and Stanton both go down again. Tebow did win a playoff game. While Thomas has a strong arm, I don’t think he will progress enough to be the Cards QB of the future.

    Flame away guys/gals……

  37. By georgiebird on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    Most of the talk about Peterson is off the mark. The better conversation is how can the Cards become a better team than the Seahawks.
    SK talks about looking at the long term- it sounds good but doesn’t hold water.
    Teams in the AFC East are waiting a long time for Brady to retire and the NFC North will wait a long time for Rodgers to retire.
    If Russell Wilson is the real deal- and Seattle lost the SB on a fluke- the Cards can’t afford to be a wildcard team for the next five to seven years when BA will be nearing 70. On the road in the playoffs is not a good situation.
    The Cards have to overpay to get Peterson (resulting in two overpaid Petersons). If not Peterson than the #1 draft choice has to be a RB.
    The Cards are in a unique situation- quite unlike most teams in the NFL.

  38. By Davemaham on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    krehbieo14:

    Bad terminology on my part. When I said restructure I meant an entirely new deal, with a pay cut. And my comments were not directed at Darren, I know his comments are well thought out, I’ve been reading for years. My comment was meant to all of those in general that are saying it simply won’t happen, because of his contract. My point is, his contract can be redone.

    Adrian Peterson has made plenty of money during his career. I think he is more interested in a ring than money at this point. And he knows AZ is one of the best chances to make that happen over the next couple of years. At least AZ is one of the best opportunities where he can still make a little change, not what he earning now, but more than any other contenders would be able or willing to offer.

    I don’t think a second round pick and $8million a year is out of the question for a game changer like AP. I’m just not sure Kiem would agree with that. My guess is a four year contract at around $7million per year with about 20 guaranteed, with incentives built in. I think the first year may be closer to 8 or 9 to take advantage of this years cap space and having a lighter cap hit in future years.

  39. By erik on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    – Andy Kw

    I think when you mentioned Steven Jackson a year or two ago, people thought he was done. He still is for the most part but I think his performance against the Cardinals last time they played Atlanta is sticking in our collective minds.

  40. By erik on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Oh, and I agree with JTDG. Get Adrian Peterson. I would rather watch them win one Superbowl and then be up and down then watch them win 9-11 games every year. Peterson is the exception to the rule. If the Fitz trade rumor is real, which I seriously doubt, do it. No brainer.

  41. By The Cardinals Fan on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Don’t get him as RB, pleases Cardinals, be smarter. Adrian Peterson is a great RB for any team to have. As a big Cardinals fan, I don’t think he is a great fit for the cardinals. First of all Peterson is 30, he is done with the Cardinals after few years. Second of all, it’s too much for the Cardinals, they could draft a future star at RB instead. Third of all, they don’t have money to get more player, they still need to upgrade their secondary. Most importantly, if you watched every single games that the Cardinals played, Cardinals running style is really hard for any RB to get a first down on the first attempt, they liked to do inside run (such as Iso.) But Peterson is more outside run player, which mean that the Cardinals need to change some part of their playbook. Cowboys is a good team for him if Vikings decided to trade.

  42. By Steve Fyten on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Adrian Peterson is a warrior the likes of which have not been seen since Walter Payton. He always gives a 100% effort no matter what the score is.

  43. By Scott H on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Jacob –

    RE: Trade Palmer for AP

    As they say on ESPN – C’mon, man!!! In case ya haven’t noticed, the NFL is COMPLETELY a QB-driven league. Carson Palmer may not be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers but he is a damn solid QB who we KNOW can make this offense go. And you want to trade him – the most important guy on the team – for a 30-year old RB? Interesting….

    So, after you make this trade, who is your QB for 2015? Hope AP can play that position, too, because he might have to!

    In other words…..um…..no friggin way!

  44. By Scott H on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Yeah, I saw where Tebow worked out for the Eagles. I really hope they sign him. Seriously! Because as long as he is out there, there is always the possibility he could end up HERE!

    Let the Eagles bring that debacle, I mean, circus to THEIR town.

  45. By JMB on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    John the Draft Guy, You are correct he was…WAS great but we are not looking for a bell cow! We need a solid, MATURE banger, leader, to help bring along the youth. Look what Mendenhall did for Ellington. Change up runner, That’s Arians vision. Jackson should able to be had for 2 mill/ year, still room to move in FA. If (and I do mean if) Gordon is available and if our powers think they want to use a #1 on a RB then go for it. Remember, you are again correct in the stats in general but look at the teams. Yes even the Rams, he was the offense. Do I even need to say anything about the recent Falcons teams?
    Andy Kw – I’m new to the post would never say Eww! You are right on!
    Finally it’s not up to anybody but the Vikes on what happens with AP and if any of you really don’t care about the future, just sit back and remember 2012!

  46. By Andy Kw on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    erik,
    I mentioned that exact same thing probably several of weeks ago. I said that Steven Jackson beat us bad last time which shows that he still has some gas left in the tank.

  47. By Andy Kw on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2015/3/16/8226885/oakland-raiders-remaining-needs-free-agents-available-at-those-positions#comment_tease
    -Raiders clearly don’t know Sam Acho and it shows in this post.

  48. By Scott H on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Ya know who I would be willing to part ways with in a trade for AP? Give ya a hint – same last name! That might not make sense to some, but….it does to me. I mean, I’m just assuming the numbers would come close to working out given what we gave PP last season. You could sell me on this. Stud RB’s get you a lot closer to a SB than stud CB’s ( especially those who may not even be studs, based on recent performance ).

    Releasing Stanton isn’t gonna cover the cost of AP. But would losing Stanton be worth it if it somehow led to acquiring AP? Well….maybe. Until we lost Palmer to another injury and we are suddenly turning to Logan Thomas for the next 8-9 games. Without a QB that other teams have to have at least some respect for, AP probably becomes a lot less effective.

    And I agree with JTDG ( probably plenty of others as well ) about Steven Jackson. To be a feature back for a full season? Absolutely not. Even if he COULD stay healthy ( which he rarely has ), there is just very little left in that tank.

    I would LOVED to have had Steven Jackson for the last 3 weeks of last season. For a small window like that, he could have offered a lot. But for a full season? No. Too much for him now.

  49. By Big Ken on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Could we trade P. Peterson for A. Peterson? Do-able? I guess I’m starting my St Patrick’s Day early.

  50. By jerrytown on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    In regards to the Palmer restructure, there was a deadline to get it done which is why it was executed. It doesn’t mean Keim was freeing up space to go after a big free agent.

    Also, unused cap space rolls over to the next season. Darren, correct me if I’m wrong about that.

  51. By Cardinals FOREVER on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    You must read this as a CARDINALS FAN. I bet about 70% percents of Cardinals fan want to get AP, and I know he is a great player to have on any team, he got the speed and he just unstoppable. Team like Jaguars, whose cap space is over 60 millions, they could get him easily by paying him 16 million a year, but AP wants a ring, right?. Cardinals, whose cap space is around 10 millions after getting 6 free agents and just lost their CB, it’s just too hard for the Cardinals to get a player that worth 12.5 million at least. Instead of restructured contracts and get this guy, they could draft players for a cheap price. Let’s talk about what player they should draft: Melvin Gordon (a great young running back with a great weight and speed, he’s the future star.) GM need to make a right decision, i mean he’s smart, he drafted John Brown as a WR last year. Many fans are disappointed about the CB left Cardinals for Jets, but i believe Bethel will have some great performances next year, he got 39.5 on vertical jump and 4.57 on the 40 yard dash, he learned how to be a CB in 3 years. Overall, i disagree with the opinion of getting AP, a RB who will turns into 30 next year. SEE YOU IN THE SUPERBOWL NEXT YEAR, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARDINALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. By Coach K on Mar 16, 2015 | Reply

    Dr. G

    If the trade offer is fair and the Cardinals are not giving up a #1 or #2, then I’m open to an AP trade. Granted, giving a 1 or 2 from next year would offer a late pick in round 1 or 2, so that is acceptable if that gets AP here. Any more than that is not worth it.

  53. By Eazy E on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Now let me get this straight, we freed up cap room by cutting Lyle which I disagreed with and restructured Carson’s contract freeing up about 10 million, not to mention the few million we already had and we ain’t going after A.D.?! I don’t believe it, we missed out on Wilfork, Orakpo, Tramon Williams, etc. We still have needs at NT, OLB, and CB, RB, and TE! We need to get A.D. to at least shore up the RB position with Ellington! Hurry!!!

  54. By Eazy E on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    QB need also in my opinion. Carson at 35 coming off of a 2nd ACL tear even though it was the ”best” one you could have. Drew is a backup and Logan is a project and I like him, but he needs work like most young QBs!

  55. By Joann Striplin on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Adrian Peterson and Michael Vick would get us a Super Bowl win we’ve been searching for. We need an excellent athlete to overcome the Seattle QB, and with Vick we would have the experience and the knowledge, and capability in one package. I would love to say us get them both with Fitz, to give us a genuine shot at that prize.

  56. By red2616 on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Anything can happen and has. Mccoy to the Bills for one. Rams switching QB’s, etc. So anything can happen even Fitzy traded. They will do what is best for the Franchise. Doing what is best is to say FITZGERALD WILL NEVE BE TRADED. Yes, he does have a no trade clause meaning he can not be traded to a team he does not want to go to. The ONLY team he would go to is the Vikings ironically. But still I don;t see this happening. Fitzy was a Vikes Ball boy, Played with Cris Carter, his Dad still writes for the Vikes, He lives by Mall of America (Home is a freak’n Compound) Gorgeous inside and out. AP is 30 but Football had one year for surgery and one for missing a year but then also had a heck of a lot more carries. almost 3K more yards than the closest equal RB playing time and starting time. He is a catch. BUT…. AP is not what Arians wants I don;t believe. If we didn’t have Ellington i would say strong possibility. I would actually say Trade Fitzy for him. You can replace Fitzy’ production but not AP’s. People would be OK with Fitzy gone if they had a ring instead. I know Fitzy, I know his Dad (who want’s him in MN) and his family in MN and Chicago. They support him in staying in AZ and his loyalty. They also understand his desire for a ring. He won;t win one in MN if plays another 10 years there where as he would have won a ring in AZ two years ago if Levi Brown had been traded pre-season and not week 5 (I think). He would have won one this last year if those injuries had not happened. I have never seen a team with that many starters on IR for that long. I have never seen a team finish a game with only 4 starters on defense in the game. just amazing Cards were better than Seattle when healthy and were still only around 75% of potential.

    Forget AP, Ray Rice if could get a a decent price. If not Draft is fine. Grab a Pass Rusher, Running Back, OLB, DT, CB, ILB and a WR. Not in any particular order but best player on the board that fits one of those rolls. So if round one the best player on the board is a WR/KR take him. If it is a DT, take him, if a Pass Rusher, take him. Then beginning of camp a few other guys will get cut and scoop up for little more depth. I am kinda worried at CB. I think we need another one and WR. Ginn gone I wanted Shorts. But a long as we don’t take Crabtree I am good, The one thing I LOVE about Arians is that he does not go after names. Rex Ryan is signing names not building a team. Kinda like Communism, will look great on paper but will it work? A little but people will get greedy and it will fall apart.

    BA and Special K know what they are doing. This has been Michael Bidwill’s team since 2007 and it has been goo other than one really stupid trade for Kolb. If we had Orto, Cutler, or Palmer instead, we would have kept winning. Seattle won due to a cake schedule in 2013 and injuries to the QB’s of Cards, Rams, Eagles, Panthers and packers, all in a row (pleas go look up. it’s true. the ONLY team they faced after week 1o that had a healthy QB or a starting QB was the 49er’s who’s Coach was out looking for another job. Seattle defaulted to the NFC West Champ. Nothing More. Cards were the better team minus all those injuries. If the two games agains the Cards were played weeks 1-10 instead of 14-16, Seattle would have had 2 more losses and missed the playoffs. People don;t realize that. But go look at the schedule and the injuries and you’ll see it. If this Defense stays as good (I do think they will be better) and the offense clicks plus everyone but 1-3 (normal injuries) happen, the Cards win NFC Wet and go to the Super Bowl. I mad a crap load on my SB tickets. I want to go to the 2016 Super Bowl and watch the Cards win. They deserve it.

    Sorry for writing so much. Good luck Cards, Good luck AP. I just don’t see them together.

  57. By mark dibernardo on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Do you want to go to the superbowl or not?…give Peterson a better deal and get him here! Imagine we might even get some press from the nfl network for once God knows they talk about everyone else but us even with 11 wins! Here’s an old true-ism YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, make him an offer he can’t refuse, charge more for hot dogs and beer and let’s go to the super bowl!!!!!

  58. By clssylssy on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Depending on the draft to save our run game is a crap shoot at best…we’ve got a bunch of RB talent that is more developed than what we are likely to get in the draft and even the most promising rookie will have a huge learning curve in front of him. A really crazy thought…how about trying to get Darren Sproles from the Eagles? Let’s see how good Steven Keim is at wheeling and dealing and zeroing in on Chip Kelley’s weakness, i.e. his desire to get Marcus Mariolta by giving him draft picks he can use as trade bait to move up or whatever, might be tempting as he doesn’t really have a QB and is deep in the RB position Sproles would be better than AP, and given the way things are going in Philly, would probably jump at the opportunity to leave. Sproles is 31, and Kelley will be looking to unload him in the near future…why not strike before someone else does. Sproles is one of the most prolific RBs in the NFL and would fit in nicely with the guys we have. I would hate to see the Saints get him back after seeing the error of their ways? Off the wall, I know but it doesn’t hurt to kick the tires!

  59. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    No way does Fitz get traded. If they were going to do that, they would have before the new contract. He is in at a reasonable cap number now. Why trade him?

    Sproles plays the same role as Ellington. A healthy Ellington is an amazing receiver out of the back field or in the slot.

    Palmer is the man. He isn’t going anywhere.

    My comment about Stanton;
    His contract ends at the end of the year. That 4.5 million falls off the books. I believe Massie and Floyd’s contracts are due at the end of the year. (although I think Floyd might have another year)

    My comment about AP was, if you take on his salary, maybe you can’t resign Weatherspoon, Stanton or Massie next year, but you may win it all this year.

    Plus, if we can start drafting better, you wouldn’t need them back. If Cooper and Watford would have taken over the jobs, Iupati wouldn’t be on the books. If Thomas was a real QB, you could have moved him into the two spot at least by next year. If Minter was better, we wouldn’t be signing ILBs. If Martin would have stepped up, we wouldn’t need so many d lineman.
    Can Bethel in year 3 take over? Can Bucannon and Honey Badger take over as safeties. The miss on passrushers has us grabbing Woodley.

    The amazing job each year on free agents overshadows the lack of hits in the draft. We have to draft better so when FAs leave, we have a younger guy to step in. and we don’t have to get all these one year deals.

    I mean, we passed on Le’veon Bell and Eddy Lacy for Minter. then passed on Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde for Niklas. That is why we are having this discussion about AP in the first place.

    OK , done with my draft tangent, but giving up a second rounder is not much for AP. I would give up a 2nd and a 4th for him and take on the salary.

    After all, the last three 2nd rounders? Niklas, Minter, and a trade for Kolb.
    4th rounders, Logan Thomas, Okafor, Watford and Massie.

    I would trade all those players for AP. Wouldn’t you?

  60. By clssylssy on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    @JTDG
    Very well stated however, Sproles does it better than Ellington and is more durable. Always enjoy your posts, may not agree 100% of the time but nonetheless, you make your case!

  61. By Cactus jeff on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Yep JTDG
    But if Cards improve their analytics players like Minter (see discussion last year) would not be drafted in 2nd rnd. Bottom line is this, they have to go best player available in draft and go need with FA. For example, if Aaron Rodgers is there at 24 Keim has to take him. He can’t draft 299lbs LT or a short ILB with short arms out of need in first 3 rounds.

  62. By Scott H on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Eazy E –

    Who is this AD you speak of??

  63. By Scott H on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Joann Striplin –

    Michael Vick??? An excellent athelete? Yeah, he WAS. Many, many years ago. His excellent ahtelete abilities are long gone. All that is left is a guy who is no longer even a decent QB without his athlethic abilities. He also can’t stay healthy. The only SB this guy will be going to any time soon will be one he buys tickets for. No thanks.

  64. By Dr. G. on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    jtdg…. Hindsight is always 20-15, but your observations are astute…be well

  65. By colorwerxnet on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H –

    Adrian Peterson’s nickname is “All Day” (i.e., “AD”).

  66. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    clssylssy,

    Yes, Sproles does it better than anyone.

    I still wouldn’t give up on Ellington.

  67. By Chuck 1 on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Dr. G.,

    Keim’s hindsight should be the same as JTDGs.
    It should tell him to not make the same foolish draft mistakes that JTDG lists i.e. Minter et al or salary mistakes e.g. Peterson.

  68. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Chuck 1 and Dr G,

    My record stands for its self.

    I wanted Kenny Vacarro and Jamie Collins, not Cooper and Minter.

    Not hindsight, said it all along.

    I would have drafted Demarcus Lawrence last year instead of Bucannon. Never flinched from that. Lawrence had a pair of sacks in the playoffs and looks like the edge rusher we needed. Meanwhile Jefferson did a pretty good job at SS.

    Not hindsight, check my post.

    In 2013, I wrote here several times to trade for both Palmer and Veldheer. I knew Veldheer wanted out of Oakland and was injured most of the year, he could have helped us in the home stretch of 2013.

    I asked to draft Landry Jones. While many are not excited about that, he is listed as #2 QB behind Big Ben. Something we can’t say about Thomas.

    I could go on and one. Not hindsight. you can go back and check out my post.

    Boy, what would we have been like with Vacarro covering TEs in 2013 instead of Bell, our 37 yr old safety. How about having Lawrence coming off the edge in the playoffs or Collins on the inside at LB.

    People can mock me all they want, but I’ll stand by my picks.

  69. By Chuck 1 on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG.

    Don’t be defensive about my post.
    Dr. G. called it “hindsight”.
    I was just referring to his post.
    Hopefully, Keim has learned from his poor draft choices.

  70. By Dr. G. on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    Chuck1… Re: Keim’s rear view as jtdg…Touche…agreed..

    jtdg…never mock your mocks.! I see you as astute & well-studied. But, if one makes 50 well-thought predictions, 15 of them will probably come to fruition to be recalled. We disagree not often, but we are polarized on a few things…later

  71. By Coach K on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG

    You did make those picks in the past. I recall clearly several of the names. But I think the biggest errors in the most recent drafts have been in round two. I think this second round is killing us.

    I also want to say once again, I hope Keim and company are seriously evaluating Sean Mannion as a mid round selection. I’m telling you if you watch old Tennessee films of Peyton Manning, and then watch film of Sean Mannion, you will notice the same accuracy and smart decision making. Manning had a bigger arm back then, but the accuracy and vision is the same.

    I am convinced Mannion would easily beat out Thomas. If we get to the fourth round and Mannion is available, I’m pulling the trigger on this coaches son. He simply has all the intangibles. Reads coverage and goes to his second and third options like a seasoned pro. That is why he reminds me of Payton. Between the ears, they are the same guy.

  72. By Dr. G. on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    jtdg…Chuck1….

    ESPN has Beasley rated at #24 on their list of top 50 picks. He was rated much higher early on. I would jump at this pick… Your thoughts?

  73. By kellyjrey on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    I agree with JMB. No way we pay for what A.P. will cost us. We need a bruiser running back that will get us those 4 yards every time he touches the ball, hmmmm, yep, Jackson. 2 year contract, 4 mil., 2 mil guaranteed, if we get 4 yards per carry avg. It will do exactly what we need to compliment Ellington’s ability to get outside and burn teams with what Brown, Fitz and Floyd will do down field. And to u A.P. trade supporters, U do understand he is under contract STILL to the vikings??? It would be MASSIVELY detrimental to our future to TRADE for him and mortgage our future on an old running back that would cost us about 19 million in a cap hit in 2 years??? Running backs hit a brick shithouse faster than Michael Jordan hitting a fastball in AA baseball, we have greater needs than A.P. at running back. Hmmm..a linebacker that can cover a tight end, and shut down the one the She-Chickens just signed???? MB, SK and BA know what they’re doing,,,,In “Bird Gang” we trust.

  74. By kellyjrey on Mar 17, 2015 | Reply

    And to any moron that thinks Michael Vick and A.P. together would make the Cards win even 1 game in our division, just shut up….Joann….were not playing against the jets and Browns or the Bucs or Jaguars, jiminey cricket, hello, we play in the NFC WEST!!! The best division in football….mmm, real defenses, that hate running backs and running quarterbacks…Yea, right, Vick. Please, just put on ur cards jersey and cheer, but leave the big decisions to the people that know the difference between soccer(futbol) and real football.

  75. By Scott H on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    colorwerxnet –

    RE: AP = AD ( All Day )

    Ah, right you are, sir! I completely missed that.

  76. By much.faster on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    “Stud RB’s get you a lot closer to a SB than stud CB’s”???? really?

    let`s look at the pats, revis and browner vs. vereen, blount and gray?

    who did more for the SB?

    imo we need some RBs, one vet for one year like bradshaw, and then some through the draft, like allen or heeney. not in the first rounds, there we should take some CBs, like collins. and add deepth at OT and LB.

    more STUD CBs will get us a lot closer to a SB then a single overpaid STUD RB

  77. By Chuck 1 on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Dr. G.,

    Totally agree, that if Beasley is still there @ 24, RUN THE CARD UP TO THE PODIUM!!!

  78. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Dr G and Chuck 1,

    Not defensive, just wanted to point out, facts are facts and you can go through the archives and see if what I say is true.

    Dr G, I think there is a couple people on this board that makes 50 picks and hope one is right. I can think of two posters right off the bat. I usually pick someone and stick with it.

    But on the topic of Vic Beasley, I feel he is a top 10 pick. Just like last year, when “experts” thought Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr could drop to us, only to watch both go in the top 10.

    I think no way Beasley falls, but if he did, I would run my card up to the commish. Beasley will be a double digit sack guy as a rookie.

    Beasley is my pick at 24. No doubt about it. 100% yes. I just don’t believe he will be there.

    My next pick at 24 would be Todd Gurley. I think he is a true difference maker. But I would make the trade for AP if available (I would give a 2 and a 4). So if we picked up AP, there would be no need for Gurley.

    Therefore, My third possible pick at 24 would be Arik Armstead.

    If all of them gone, At that point, I would look to trade down to the top of round 2 and pick up an additional 3. Here, I would look at Eli Harold, Carl Davis, Stephone Anthony or possibly Cameron Irving.

    So a perfect world draft
    1. Beasley OLB
    2 Gone due to AP trade
    3. Ali Marpet C/G/T
    4. Original pick traded for AP
    5 Zack Hodges OLB/ILB
    6. Tre McBride WR, KR
    7. Sean Mannion QB

    But until trade and beasley falls; (I just cant see Beasley falling)
    1. Gurley RB
    2. Nate Orchard OLB
    3. Ali Marpet C/G/T
    4 Zack Hodges OLB/ILB
    5. Tre McBride WR / KR
    6 Mannion QB

  79. By Scott H on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    much.faster –

    OK. We can look at ONE team ( albeit the one team that won the SB ) and maybe your point makes total sense that way. OR, we can also look at the teams that have STUD CB’s and ARE NOWHERE NEAR A SB ( or even the playoffs ) right now.

    Joe Haden comes to mind….

    If you are being honest, who do you see as more important to the Seahawks right now – Marshawn Lynch or Richard Sherman? If I’m a Seahawks fan, I don’t even need two seconds to answer that. Sherman is a piece of a VERY dominant defense. But I don’t know that he is THE most important piece. That defense does not collapse without him. Lynch, on the other hand, IS the centerpiece of that offense. And that offense is NOT the same without him, even if the rest of the offense remains intact.

    Depending on what team you want to use an example, either side of this debate can look like the right side. I understand why you may have objected. Maybe neither side of this one is right or wrong across the board.

    But with the CARDINALS in mind? I’ll stand by the side that I took in my previous post. PP was on the field all the way through last year. So was Cromartie and that gave the Cardinals one helluva CB tandem. But did that matter when the offense fell completely apart without a QB AND with no running game? It definitely did not.

    Just me, I’ll take AP for PP straight up right now. And I think that would put THIS team closer to a SB than it would be with PP here and AP not.

    BTW, the Pats NEVER rely on a STUD RB. They don’t run their offense that way. They have guys that fit their system very well and they utilize them very effectively but also via a committee approach. So, to compare their RB’s with their CB’s is ridiculous. The Patriots didn’t win a SB because of their CB’s any more than they won it because of their RB’s. Tom Brady was given the MVP because he absolutely was the MVP of that game. He is a QB and that comes as no surprise.

    Name a single team that has EVER won a SB on the strength of their CB’s.

  80. By Big Ken on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    John, I’ve been hearing not so great things about your Zack Hodges. I’m taking him off my board. Plenty of sleepers out there thou.

  81. By Tazz on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    What about Dwyer? Has he retired? This whole DA thing with all these great
    NFL player is so overrated. No evidence was ever proven in this guys case.
    A bitter wife pissed off that he’s cheating on her cry’s wolf and blows a talent great guy lively hood away. Dwyer is a great RB. He needs another chance if not with us the cardinals any NFL team. He’s going to do great with who every he plays for.

  82. By Scott H on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Tazz –

    Your post left me speechless for several minutes for its sheer idiocy and utter cluelessness. This whole DA thing with all these great players is so over-rated??? My God, man. Wow.

    Problem is, the NFL can’t operate with that type of simple attitude. Because the NFL is about making money above ALL else. That means they have to worry about what the fans think and what the sponsors that support them think. And when the fans and the sponsors start sending massages that they might pull their support ( = money ) back if the NFL chooses to support these players who are obviously involved in domestic abuse behavior ( Dude, did you NOT see the Ray Rice video from the elevator???? ), the NFL has no choice but to take it seriously.

    Even when the legal system clears some of these guys, that does not mean the rest of the world forgets. And that is a good thing because our legal system leaves something to be desired.

    Even when their wives forgive them and / or the charges are dropped because the victims decide not to press charges ( and I really have to wonder about the reasons behind that ), that does not mean the rest of the world forgets. And that is a good thing, too.

    Like it or not, our society has gotten to a point where it is not willing to accept domestic abusers being cheered by thousands as they make millions for playing a game that is about violence and aggression. I may find fault with SOME aspects of it, too. But it’s just not OK anymore for players to engage in some of the behaviors they do and then jump right back on the field the following Sunday. Forget it. Those days are over.

  83. By Vice on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Last time we got our hopes this high on a HOF joining us he went to Denver. If Peterson doesn’t play for the Vikings I fully believe he will be playing next year with a star on his helmet unfortunately.

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