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A chance at a comp pick

Posted by Darren Urban on March 18, 2015 – 12:26 pm

The spring owners meetings get underway Monday here in town at the Biltmore, and among the many things that will go on will be the annual reveal of the compensatory picks for April’s draft.

A quick refresher for those who don’t know about comp picks: Each year, there are a bunch of extra draft picks sprinkled in through the draft (starting in the third round) that are awarded to teams with a net loss of free agents from the year before. The exact formula for doling out picks isn’t public, but it’s a mixture of the player, his free agent contract and performance. Basically, if you lose more free agents than you sign, you’ll get an extra pick or two.

(Or more, perhaps. Baltimore often lets players leave as free agents with the idea of stockpiling comp picks to replenish the roster with cheap labor. It’s great if you hit on many draft picks. The Ravens have made it an art form.)

As for the Cardinals, overthecap.com has estimated that the Cards are in line for an extra seventh-round pick. Now, there are caveats to the various qualifying players in this admittedly complicated guesswork. The Cards could conceivably get an extra fifth-rounder instead of a seventh or maybe no comp pick at all. As it stands, the Cardinals have their seven original draft picks, starting with the 24th overall in the first round. Last season, the Cardinals added tackle Jared Veldheer, wide receiver Ted Ginn, guard Ted Larsen and running back Jonathan Dwyer in free agency. They lost linebacker Karlos Dansby, wide receiver Andre Roberts, tight end Jim Dray and cornerbacks Antoine Cason and Javier Arenas. (Players that are cut by their previous team do not factor in the equation, which is why bringing in Antonio Cromartie did not hurt the Cards in this example and why losing Darnell Dockett this year will not help in next year’s comp equation.)


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33 Responses to “A chance at a comp pick”

  1. By carlo milano on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren u forgot to mention Drey
    so u are right,we will get a compensatory pick by him
    probable an extra 7th round

  2. By Darren Urban on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: Dray

    Good call.

  3. By georgiebird on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    “Exact formula for doling out picks is not public”. Seems there is a bit of subjective reasoning. So how long before each NFL team hires a lobbyist to get a little extra for the home team.

  4. By Whitey on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    This is one reason why I’ve been rooting for the Cardinals Free agents to sign lucrative deals. So far only Cro, Dan Williams and Fanaika have signed.

    The Ravens have recieved close to four extra picks for the last several years. This year the Seahawks are in line to get four extra picks.

    Darren do you think Keim would like to eventually get to the place where the Ravens are and primarily restock with picks rather than in free agency?

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Whitey —

    RE: Comp picks

    I’m sure that would be ideal. But you better have players already on the roster to fill in for the guys you lose.

  6. By D on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren–I think you should have to stay next week and report everyday at that slum of a hotel called the Biltmore…for customer service to us fans….I know it will be a tough assignment but we have faith in you…

  7. By Darren Urban on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Meetings

    I’ll have to commute, but I’ll be out there.

  8. By joe.holst on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    they never get compensatory picks, I hope they get 1.

  9. By Bruce on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Hey Darren. Just wanted to say thank you for keeping up with all this for us. The offseason is a rough stretch of withdrawing, but you are providing a nice fix. Thanks Bud!

  10. By Jimbob on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren is the very best in the “Sports Information Business” for any sport that we have here in “the Valley of the Sun.” I have been a sports fan for over five decades & have been a coach & was once a college recruiter & a college information officer so I have been around the block. I appreciate the insights, honesty & fairness that Darren provides. He is also kind & understanding & does not kick someone when they are down or have made a mistake or stumbled. Thanks for your integrity, diplomacy & humor Darren. You rock!

  11. By CreditCard on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    All eyes are on the forthcoming draft. Instead of looking into your crystal ball about theorizing the future 2015 draft; what does your crystal ball see in last year’s Cardinal 2014 draft? Is there any buzz or excitement from the coaches or staff regarding one of last year’s picks? Who does Kyle Odegard think will have a break-out sophomore season?

  12. By Darren Urban on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Credit —

    RE: 2014

    Kyle is getting married this weekend, so I can only hope he breaks out.

    As for last year’s picks, they haven’t even talked to those guys yet. We’ll see.

  13. By sbrown on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    any extra picks would be nice, I can’t remember the last year the Cards got one, but every year Sea or SF always has a couple extra.

    Darren, any news on any other of the Cards UFA’s, Acho, Kelly the LB from Denver, N. Irving who came in to visit and will Abraham retire ?

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    sbrown —

    RE: FA moves

    I believe it’s going to be quiet for awhile. As for the Cards’ own FAs, not sure how many will be returning.

  15. By Coach K on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    Cards could get a 5th rounder and a 7th.

  16. By Coach K on Mar 18, 2015 | Reply

    If we don’t get a deal with Peterson, this is my updated Mock Draft

    1. Cameron Erving, C, FSU
    Fills a need and adds flexibility to play three positions.

    2. Nate Orchard, DE, Utah
    The edge rusher who should be on the board.

    3. Mike Davis, RB, So. Car.
    Short, thick body bowling ball who hits the hole hard and fights for every yard. Perfect compliment to Ellington.

    4. Sean Mannion, QB, Oreg. St
    Will be the eventual franchise QB the Cards have been waiting for.

    5. Justin Cox, CB, Miss. St.
    Big, physical corner with blazing speed.

    6. Joey Mbu, DT, Houston
    Big body nose tackle who will fill a need.

    7. Cam Thomas, CB, W. Ky
    Athletic, aggressive corner with good size and speed.

  17. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Coach K —

    RE: Center in first

    After the free agency period the Cards had, I will be stunned if they went interior OL in the first round. Tackle maybe.

  18. By shannon robinson on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    I’m making a case that Steve Keim is still targeting Wisniewski as our starting center. Wisniewski wanted three million a year so we’ve let him go. He’s traveled to several teams that needed a center including Seattle and maybe St. Louie. The reality of the market is crushing him now. Keim is incredibly patient and knows a player’s value even when the player himself doesn’t yet. A Q Shipley got Ted Larsen type money if not less – he’s also coming out of a situation where some Indy fans are saying he didn’t get a fair break. I’m not sure AQ is the center the Cards want to start in this new “miracle” offensive line. Maybe Wisniewski gets his deal elsewhere ( I check every day ) but I’m guessing he might be coming here on a cap friendly $6 million 3 year deal that pays out only 1.5M the first year. This is as much my study of Keim as much as the player’s dynamics.

  19. By rod (Eddie Goldman RD1) on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Well, no Adrian Peterson… He’s staying put with the Vikings. Oh boohoo I cry myself to sleep….false! I do not miss him!

  20. By Jacob on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Todd Gurly in the draft Cardinals

  21. By Bruce on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Ok so let put the AP drama to rest. RIP AP. LOL Anywho. I say we pick up Knowshon Moreno on a 1 year deal then let the Master known as the Kahn of Keim do his thing. (Trying to get a nickname going for him). We draft a 2nd or 3rd round running back Stud. Ellington, Moreno, and a young buck hammer. Oh my!

  22. By CORMAC on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    Make sure Kyle puts in a no trade clause!!! :O) Good luck to them.

  23. By D on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    If Peterson doesn’t come here, then:

    Round 1- OLB. If there is not a good fit at #24 with a pass rusher, then CB.
    Round 2– Depending on first round, either RB, Pass Rusher or ILB
    Round 3– See above.

    Biggest needs, Pass Rusher, Running Back then depth at ILB and Corner.

  24. By hminus on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Either RB or pass rusher in the 1st round,(could be wrong,)but current indicators are that either one is likely,(RB/Edge rusher or D-line are my predictions,)…need RB,D-line,OLB/ILB,TE…maybe a 2nd back like 2013 draft,(trying to solve a problem here…& maybe o-line or WR later on…

  25. By Tazz on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Why not Dwyer?

  26. By Coach K on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Darren

    Value over glitz

    If all the premium pass rushers are gone, and Gordon is taken by the Chargers, then I have to take the best available athlete on my board, and I believe that is Cameron Erving. Value over Glitz.

    If the pass rushers are gone, and Gordon is gone, you are left with a couple offensive tackles, a wide receiver and the injury prone Todd Gurley, and maybe the defensive end out of UCLA Owamagbe. Of this bunch, I have to take the guy who can play three positions on the O-line at a high level and plug and play immediately.

    Pick #24 is way too high for any of the inside linebackers in this draft. They should come off the board around pick #30 and later into round two.

  27. By hminus on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Who is the back that New Orleans released recently that fits the bruiser role w/low miles that we need?…

  28. By D on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Well, we all will wait for Darren’s updates next week from the owner’s meetings. If a trade with MN would occur if probably will be done next week since Mr.Keim will have the owners in town for a potential deal. This situation will have to be done prior to next months draft. MN is adding RB’s to their roster, they are adding depth, probably wouldn’t need a RB in return but just draft picks.
    (although they could ask for a Safety since they have been looking at a few in free agency, which AZ does have some depth)

    Of course MN could play hardball with him and tell him he either plays there or he sits out.

  29. By Darren Urban on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Deal/Next week

    Please don’t be swayed by Florio’s speculation. This is the same person who suggested Fitz could be traded, when a trade would saddle the Cards with $25M in dead money alone (not to mention that Fitz isn’t going anywhere.)

    There is no more reason anything would be done next week than this. If something were to be done — IF — it would be deadline driven, mostly from the deadline of the draft. I do not buy that the owner’s meetings would be a catalyst.

  30. By CreditCard on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    It would be an interesting decision if Bud Dupree and Todd Gurley are on the board when the Cards pick. Defense vs. offense

  31. By Dr. G. on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Jacob… As I posted earlier with jtdg & Chuck1, Gurley cannot even participate in camp, ((recent acl))… Gurley is a “”flyer”” that may or may not play until mid season at best. We are polarized on this pick…a dice roll that may come up snake eyes. Otherwise, he may be a top 5 pick.. I want “now” not later…((Gordon)) or AP in a reasonable trade.

    Now, I am hoping ESPN is correct with Beasley at 24…a no-brainer. Then I’m hoping Hundley is there if we can get an early or mid-2nd-round pick. Logic here? I would like to see what Logan does in camp and pre-season. BA says he is committed to see what he can do… We can draft a QB, and if Logan cannot give good performances, we will have a super TE. If he does well, Stanton is expendable with Hundley on board. Critique welcome here…

    Things will be very fluid for a while. The possibilities for the Cards look good!

  32. By sbrown on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    hminus –
    the Saints released RB, Travaris Cadet, who was their #3 RB on the depth chart.
    6 ft 1 in, 210 lbs from Appalachian State, been in the league three seasons.

    He has been signed by New England.

  33. By Coach K on Mar 19, 2015 | Reply

    Credit Card

    DuPree over Gurley easy!

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