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NFL descends on Arizona — again

Posted by Darren Urban on March 20, 2015 – 3:59 pm

The NFL universe came to town in late January when the Pro Bowl and then the Super Bowl were played at University of Phoenix Stadium. On a much lesser scale, it’s being repeated over the next few days. The Cardinals’ Tempe complex hosts the NFL’s Super Regional combine Saturday, which is the best of the best of five previous regional combines over the last six weeks — the players taking part are draft-eligible guys who were not invited to the main Scouting combine in Indianapolis. Sunday the facility will host the first NFL Veterans combine, which is around 100 NFL vets who are essentially working through a mass workout for all the teams.

The reason the Cards are playing host is because the teams were already going to be in town for the spring owners meetings, which go from Monday through Wednesday at the Arizona Biltmore. Among the highlights of the owners meetings will be work from the competition committee to potentially tweak/change rules, commissioner Roger Goodell’s press conference Wednesday, and the coaches’ breakfasts on Tuesday (AFC) and Wednesday (NFC) when each coach talks for an hour in an informal setting.

We’ll have coverage of the Vet combine and the meetings, including whatever Bruce Arians might have to say Wednesday.

— Finally, a quick congrats to my cohort, Kyle Odegard, who is getting married to Kelsey Perry Saturday and will not be covering any of these events. I’m on my own for the week.


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43 Responses to “NFL descends on Arizona — again”

  1. By Dr. G. on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Darren – – Early on, I was among those who thought Michael Sam should be given another shot in this initial NFL combine, but further thought tells me that our team would be wasting time in consideration, as well as you covering him. He is too preoccupied with trying to attract attention, eg., the DWTS gig – – His work ethic just seems too anemic for a serious minded applicant.

    We will look forward to anything else you may observe, however. Some of these men will “bring it” and be eager for opportunities to join a team…be well

  2. By D on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Darren–if a team likes a vet this weekend, is there a waiver process, say the order of the teams drafting or is it like free agency where a player can sign without any waiting.

    Congrats to Kyle

  3. By Darren Urban on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    D —

    RE: Vet combine

    All these players are already street free agents. Free to sign with whomever.

  4. By James J on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    It’s spelled “descends”…sorry man, just could not resist after you busted my nuts for “Lupati” misspelling. lol just kid’n Darren😉

  5. By Darren Urban on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    James J —

    RE: Spelling

    Deserved.

    That’s what I get for trying to write while watching basketball.

  6. By georgiebird on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    Congrats to Kyle. Since you are the Primer guru, you may get a call from Kyle looking for a Primer on the first few days of married life. So stay close to the phone.

  7. By Nick Pepe on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Congrats Kyle!

    Nick Pepe
    Lifetime Member ’70-’71
    I’d Rather have Darren’s assignment

  8. By Scott H on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Never mind Arizona! Lets take a look at what is happening in MINNESOTA right now! Because it looks like there are problems between AP and the Vikings. And if that pot continues to boil….maybe it somehow becomes easier to get him outta there via a trade. If that situation gets to a point where it looks like AP would rather sit home and not play at all instead of playing for the Vikings, then the Vikings may decide it is better for THEM to get something FOR AP than getting nothing because he is not playing ( which I’m sure will not go over real well with their fans ).

    Hey, that same general dynamic is how Carson Palmer got himself out of Cincy. And look where he is now! I say it’s time for the Cardinals to liberate another great player from a lousy situation and give them a home where they have a chance to WIN!

  9. By krehbieo14 on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Dr. G.
    Michael Sam is ” too preoccupied with trying to gain attention?” Emmitt Smith was also on Dancing with the Stars. Hey, if you got talent display it. What else has he got to do? He’s coming here for an NFL tryout and I hope he does well. Since we need a pass rusher, it would advisable for the Cards to pay attention to his football skills.

  10. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    So Keim and Vikes GM will talk, face to face…

  11. By georgiebird on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    I read about some Politically Correct NFL scheduling changes that you might want to comment on: They should go into effect this season:

    The Washington Native Americans will host the New York Very Tall People on opening day.

    Other key games include the Dallas Western-Style Laborers hosting the St. Louis Uninvited Guests, and the Minnesota Plundering Norsemen taking on the Green Bay Meat Industry Workers.

    In Week 2, there are several key matchups, highlighted by the showdown between the San Francisco Precious Metal Enthusiasts and the New Orleans Pretty Good People. The Atlanta Birds of Prey will play host to the Philadelphia Birds of Prey, while the Seattle Birds of Prey will visit the Phoenix Male Finches.

    The Monday night game will pit the Miami Pelagic Percoid Food Fishes against the Denver Untamed Beasts of Burden. The Cincinnati Large Bangladeshi Carnivorous Mammals will travel to Tampa Bay for a clash with the West Indies Freebooters later in Week 9. And the Detroit Large Carnivorous Cats will play the Chicago Securities-Traders-in-a-Declining-Market. Week 9 also features the Indianapolis Young Male Horses at the New England Zealous Lovers of Country.

  12. By georgiebird on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    of course should be Arizona Male Finches

  13. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    krehbieo14

    Emmitt was a HOFer who was retired.

    Sam was a 7th round pick who was cut by two teams.

    I would think someone dedicated to playing football would avoid distractions like a reality show and work on taking advantage of his chance.

    After all, What did he do to deserve to be called a “Star” on a reality show? Star????, he never played one down in a real NFL game.

    Of course there are many players who are released every year who are not put on reality shows or given a third chance at the NFL.

  14. By Coach K on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Scott

    I disagree on AP coming to Cards. Too many potential negatives. Too much to lose.

  15. By Chuck on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    You know that James has been reading EVERYTHING that you write to find a misspelled word. 😦

  16. By Vice on Mar 20, 2015 | Reply

    Last time we got our hopes this high on a HOF joining us he went to Denver. If Peterson doesn’t play for the Vikings I fully believe he will be playing with a star on his helmet unfortunately.

  17. By Cody Zarr on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Congratulations Kyle!

    I find it interesting how anyone can think they have some perspective on what a player’s work ethic is like simply because they see them on TV doing something other than football. That seems a little presumptuous to me. They’re essentially calling into question his love for the game when they know nothing about the man (or his ethic) outside of the fact that he has become somewhat of a spectacle and is trying to capitalize on it while it lasts. Watching DWTS or a 5 minute interview on TV doesn’t make you an expert on his regimen. Scouts however, are generally considered experts! Perhaps they should look at a scouting report or two that indicate he has a high motor on the field and works hard prior to lambasting him.

    You know there have been some other players that used dance as actual training for football… Lynn Swann.. You might remember that guy. Al Toon and others.

    I think it’s a lot more likely he’s been cut 2 times because he just doesn’t have the tools to succeed in the NFL. Not because he possesses an anemic work ethic. His combine was sub par and to overcome the lack of physical tools he’d need to be a hell of a player.

  18. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Coach K –

    No AP for you? Not that I can’t see any on my own but what are the many potential negatives that you see?

    I WOULD like to see him here because we DO need a major up-grade at RB ( I love Ellington but he can only be all that he can be as a complement to / change of pace for a feature back ) and AP has been remarkably consistent as a great RB up to this point. I believe he still has a few of those great years left in the tank. Hell, he is gonna be well-rested after last year.

    But my desire to see AP here has its limits, yes. For instance, I would NEVER want to see a trade for a player like Fitz. And apparently that is not gonna happen. And sacrificing other key players ( like Drew Stanton, for instance ) to create the cap room for AP is not something I would be crazy about, either.

    I would, however, be receptive to draft picks being involved in a trade. With Carson Palmer here for the next 2 years and Fitz still having some great years left in him, the Cardinals are built to win NOW. Consider the improvements to the O-line during the last two seasons! This line should be among the better lines in the league at this point. So, add a stud RB like AP ( who, again, I think is going to remain great for the next 2 years or so right along with Fitz and Palmer ) to the mix and you have an offense that is going to be right there with anything the NFC has to offer.

    I know many feel you build a SB team through the draft and I don’t disagree with that. But the Cardinals are in more of a position to make a legit run NOW if they can add an all-world RB ( who I believe still has great seasons left in him ) to what they have RIGHT NOW. You didn’t keep Fitz here and give Palmer an extension because you are building for the future. You made those moves with the HERE and NOW in mind. Adding AP for 2015 might just put you over the top.

    Don’t know about you, but I want a SB win NOW, while Fitz is still here! When you have a chance to go for that big trophy, you gotta take it.

  19. By Steve . on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Darren: Do you think it’s possible that RB Todd Gurley falls to the #24 spot and the Cards select him? It might take a little bit for him to get up to full strength but I believe he will become a Pro Bowler soon enough.

  20. By Darren Urban on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Gurley

    Possible? Sure. I don’t know if I think it’s probable, but possible? Sure.

  21. By brinnc on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Scott
    Not you too man!! This AP thing just needs to go away!! The best analogy I can use is money, (there are a lot of other negatives out there as to why AP would not be a positive for the Cardinals, the off field powder keg waiting to blow is probably the biggest, other than the financial aspect!) I look at it this way (which of course is just a diehard Cardinal fans opinion, but as they say, numbers dont lie) If, we trade for AP and somehow we convince him to redo his contract to $8million a year (remember all of that will be garaunteed money, because he has stated he wants a MINIMUM of $25mil GARAUNTEED, and that is just garaunteed money, not total contract, I dont see him signing with any team for less than what Murray is getting from the Eagles!!) But for ease lets just say $8mil a year for AP, he gets paid that even if he/the Cardinals fail (most people are posting that we need AP to win it all, Superbowl Champions!) So, if we dont win it all next season that is $8mil lost. If we draft a RB in 2nd round (Im praying hard we trade out of first round and get extra 2nd and 3rd round picks! I just dont see a game changing All Pro in the 1st round at #24 that we cant get two players in the 2nd that would give us more production!) obviously a downhill power runner to COMPLIMENT Ellington (which AP isnt going to want to “compliment” or “co-star or “share” with anyone!!) With the Rookie RB and Ellington’s contract combined it cant be more than $2.5mil next season, so, if we fail to win it all with a Rookie RB and Ellington forming a tag-team then we “lose” $2.5million vice $8mil with AP’s contract. But we would have another 2nd round pick, hopefully an EDGE RUSHER, and we will have the drafted RB for a 5year contract that would pay him less than 1 year of AP’s contract. With are upgraded line (especially the run blocking aspect, any of the top RB prospect’s should be able to top 1100-1300 yards if given the carries, and even if he only got say 200 yards thru the air, by the time you add Ellington’s stats in, the 2 RB’s who are complimenting each other will have far superior stats to AP, and 4more years on the Rookie’s Contract to keep trying to win it all, and I wont even go into AP’s latest crap, or his agents antics, nobody is taking notes on all the BS he and his agent are pulling, do you honestly think they are going to change overnight, do you think SK is going to want to deal with AP’s immature whiney bitch of an agent, how soon everyone who thinks AP is the only answer to our winning the Superbowl, his agent had to be restrained, he was going to hit someone over football negotiations, do you really want the Cardinals to have to deal with that turd, or his latest antics, he doesnt get his request approved to have AP released from his contract, so he just sits at home or his office and pouts, refusing to me with Viking officials, and where is AP during all this…you think he is trying to repair the situation, nope, he is a diva, thinking he will get what he wants, why not seperate yourself from that idiot of an agent? Because AP thinks his crap doesnt stink, and somehow has it in his mind that the Vikings didnt support him after he beat the hell out of his 4 year old son (whole different issue that Im not gong to even get started on, because I just get pissed!) they put him on a list that got him paid millions of dollars rather than just suspending him without pay!! What more should the Vikings have done?? Look at Fitz, when his dad starts running his mouth, which he does every year lately, he is even running his mouth about this situation with AP, but Fitz, being the real man that he is seperates himself from his own father, taking the high road, not pouting and demanding a trade or refusing to meet with team officials, he supports his team, and teammates, Fitz is about winning, AP is about AP!! One last point to ponder, if AP does become a Cardinal, despite all the selfish BS he and his agent have pulled, lets say BA sticks to his comments and uses AP to compliment Ellington, can you imagine the grief and bad press AP is going to bring to Arizona, if he isnt happy after one year in Arizona, do you honestly think he is going to support the team, and support the idea of sharing the load with Ellington? No, it is going to be just like it has the last month or so, he will cause major off field problems for the Cardinals!! Jesus I hope Tampa Bay does what they have been known to do in the past, outbid and overpay!! Hopefully they offer one or two 1st round picks, and tell AP his contract remains the same except it will all be garaunteed! ! Cardinals will never go for that, and we the fans are saved from the major headache, heartache, and millions of dollars that is AP!!!
    Plus, there is pretty much no way to go but up, we finished next to last in rushing, so it isnt going to be that difficult for any downhill power back in this years draft to come in and with AE boost us to at least mid-pack, and if the revamed O-Line is as good as advertised in run blocking, then maybe even top 10 finish in rushing yards!! (Of course top 10 is a lifelong Cardinal fanatic’s heavily biased fantasy! LOL!
    Finally, I just wish Gurley would be ready at the start of the season, but Cardinals just cant afford to wait on him to return, especially using a 2nd round pick on him! Some team may draft him late first or early second and can afford to stash him until he is completely recovered, we just cant do that, need downhill power back ready to contribute day1. That is why I favor Ajai/Boise St or Johnson/Northern Iowa, I just dont think Gordon is around at #24, plus as I stated, Im a huge advocate of Cardinals trading out of first round for much needed extra picks that talent wise should be major contributors from day1.
    I think however, we can agree on one thing (not sure how long you have been a Cardinal fan, but Im well into my 4th decade!!) actually two things:
    1. It is great to see free agents wanting to come to Arizona, or players putting out trade lists with the Cardinals even on the list of preferred teams, let alone at the very top of that list, and not just joe football player, but future HOF’ers (yse, as much as I dont want AP, for numerous reasons, there is no denying that he was one of the best, and may still be, but I think his best days are behind him, but cant deny he is a first ballot HOF, except for his off field troubles.

    2. In my humble opinion, if Cardinals were to trade out of first round and get an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick, after those 4 picks, the Cardinals could draft BPA, for the first time in ages they are not in a position where they have to take a player that plays a particular position because of need, when there are 5 athletes who are 25 spots ABOVE on the draft board but we NEED another player because he plays a certain position, just like last year, we were able to take J.Brown and L. Thomas early enough that other teams couldnt afford to do!! Picking best player available, or reaching a round or two early for a particular player is a great position to be in and not sure about other fans, but for this Cardinal fan, it is an awesome feeling!!
    Note: Cardinals probably had to take Logan Thomas in 4th if they really wanted him, he would have been gone before we picked in 5th, and even though Im obsessed with the small school prospects, and loved the J. Brown pick (was posting he had ROY possibilities before season even started) at the time of the draft I thought the Cardinals reached for him he probably would have been there in 4th or 5th, but even in the 3rd he turned out to be a huge steal, just like Ellington in the 6th, the year prior!!! Bottomline, It is GREAT to be a Cardinal fan these days!!!
    BIRDGANG FOR LIFE!!!

  22. By Dr. G. on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Krehbeio14… Did Emmit Smith really compete in DWTS while he was being drafted back in 1990 by Dallas? I thought he was long retired by the dancing gig.

    A very weak addition for us… he had little left for the Cardinals.

    You miss the entire point of frivolous commitment with Sam… he will be a bum if he even gets a shot by some ignorant GM…later

  23. By brinnc on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Krehbieo14

    Emmitt Smith was retired when he did DWTS, wasnt he?

    I would have to say that if SK/BA thought that M. Sam was talented enough to play in the NFL (even if only on a Practice Squad) he would be on Arizona’s roster. Actually, if any team saw potential then Michael Sam would have been in the NFL last year. He has work to do, his skills just dont transfer to the NFL, it happens quite a bit, think of the numerous Hiesman trophy winners who either didnt get drafted, drafted late, or flopped, their skills didnt translate, alot of them would have had a better chance if they would have tried to change positions.
    Most High School teams usually put their best player/athlete at QB just to get the ball in his hands most of the time, some are out of necessity they just dont have anyone that can play QB. Im from hickville, middle of tobacco fields North Carolina, so small there are only 2 high schools in the county, and I have 2 great examples, actually 3 examples, two are players who played QB in HS, but went on to college to star at different position (which should get them into the NFL, even though 1 of them broke numerous records at QB the only season he played it he led our HS to its 3rd consecutive State Championship, the previous years he played WR but they had nobody to replace their star QB, so he stepped in and promptly broke all the prior QB’s records!!
    Pharoh Cooper/WR/South Carolina is the guy who stepped in his senior year and led our HS to its third straight Championship, breaking all the previous QB’s records except for total passing yards career, because the prior QB was a star for 3 years!! Cooper led South Carolina in recieving this past year as a Sophomore, and he had some incredible plays, and catches, they also use him on trick plays, rushing and passing for TD’s. Take a second to YOUTUBE this kid, im biased of course, because Im great friends with his dad, we were in the Marine Corps together, but I would love to see him in a Cardinal uniform!!! Problem is, he is a J. Brown clone, except he can throw bombs!!
    Justin Hardy/WR/East Carolina – played QB all thru HS because they had no other choice, he carried his HS just about all by himself to a rare State Championship!! He had numerous offers from DivII and DivIII schools to play QB, but he wanted to play DivI and he was smart enough to know that QB wasnt his ticket to NFL, so he walked on at East Carolina as a WR, smashed numerous records his freshman year, immediately got a scholarship after his freshman season, and just got better, smashing all his freshman records and holds all ECU recieving records now, plus he ended up breaking an NCAA record, he is the ALL TIME leading reciever in career catches, and that is all of the NCAA!! Plus he is a damn good KR/PR again, im biased, but he would look good in Cardinal Red as well, to me he is a Fitz Jr (or I guess technically Fitz III, since our Fitz is a Jr!! LOL!!) roghtdown to the dreds, and his fade corner routes in the endzone!!

    Bruce Carter/ILB/Tampa Bay (lately of Dallas) played at our HS, he played NT and CENTER (but was the 2nd string QB, believe it or not!! LOL!!) 2 other players that played at our rinky dink HS and are nowplaying or will play in NFL os Guy Whimper/O-Line/TB/NYG/MIAMI (I think) and Robertson/OT/South Carolina should get drafted rounds 3-5 in the upcoming draft, those two dudes are so huge that they only play O-Line and D-Line, but mentioned them only because of the large number of players from our tiny Eastern North Carolina High School, who have made it or will be drafted in the next year or two in the NFL!! (There are 6-7 stoplights in our town, possibly eight, they put a new one in when the Walmart opened two years ago, yes folks, we just got a Walmart two years ago, usedcto have to drive 18miles to find the nearest Walmart!! Small town or what?? Now the town I retired in is huge compared to where I grew up, ZERO stop lights, and where I grew up grades 1-8 shared a classroom, 1-2 in a room, 3-4 in a room and so on, the teacher alternated teaching 7 grade math then 8 grade math, 7 grade English, 8 grade English etc, etc… I graduated #5 in my middle school class! (OUT OF 6 TOTAL STUDENTS!!!) Not a joke folks!! I grew up very backwoods!!! Anyway enough blabbering, not sure how I ended up talking about my gradeschool, SORRY!!!

  24. By brinnc on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H
    Hope you dont mind but I put my two cents in about the list of negatives concerning AP. but I have since posted another post which has showed up, my first post of the day almost always gets lost somewhere out there in lala internet hell, not sure but probably operator error, as in me!!! Usually it ends up showing up, so I will give it some time prior to reposting.
    But in my humble opinion, there are many negatives concerning AP, and especially AP as a Cardinal.

  25. By Coach K on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Scott-

    Age, price tag, picks we would have to give up, etc. etc.

    Yes, AP is a great player and could probably be great at least three more years, but at what cost in money and draft picks. The Vikings would ask for an arm and a leg from Keim, and possibly two legs

    But, it’s all mute because I know Keim would never damage the team long term for one player. So while it sounds exciting for many people, the Vikings aren’t stupid and neither is Keim.

    Period.

  26. By georgiebird on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    The Vikings want to get rid of AP, his contract and his baggage. And AP wants out of Minn.
    So the game now is to see how much the Vikings can get the Cards to up the bid. Now I’m in favor of getting AP because the Cards need him to have a chance of unseating the Seahawks. The idea of getting AP is risky business. The Cards should be willing to take on AP’s contract and a #3 draft choice. If the Vikings don’t like it then let them keep their disgruntled RB.
    I think the AP situation has occupied the bulk of SK’s time and maybe some other deals have slipped by.
    It may be time to move on to other things not named AP.

  27. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Coach K –

    OK. First, I never said I think the Vikings OR Keim are stupid. Where the Vikings are concerned, stupidity has nothing to do with what that situation may become IF AP decides to not play for them. At that point, it would be stupid for them to let that happen. And THAT is why this could turn out to work in the Cardinals favor. If the Vikings are looking at a situation where AP is sitting home and they are getting nothing that helps THEM, then they are kinda over a barrel, too, aren’t they? It would then become in THEIR best interests to trade him and get SOMETHING in return. That’s the possibility I see here.

    And I agree in that I don’t believe for one minute that Keim is stupid. But I fail to see what is stupid about considering making AP a Cardinal. Don’t kid yourself – I’m sure they are giving this due consideration. What if landing AP in a trade that does not significantly damage the long term becomes a very real possibility?

  28. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    brinnc –

    Man, when you post, you really put it out there! Look, I hear ya. Um…I don’t know if everything you seem to believe about AP and his agent is necessarily accurate, but…OK. I mean, neither you or I are in the room when any of these interactions are taking place, so…what do we really know? All that said, you could be right on about all that you say. I admit, I may be a little blinded by the greatness I see in AP strictly as a player and what I believe that greatness might do for this team. Being as passionate a fan as you are, I think you understand that.

    You never have to point out the character of Larry Fitzgerald to me! But since you threw that in there….aren’t we hearing Fitz making some comments in favor of bringing AP here to the Cardinals? Just sayin….I REALLY don’t think we would hear Fitz do that for someone HE believed was a negative force or a bad guy.

  29. By Scott H on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    On the subject of RB’s….two questions – first, what IS the situation with Dwyer right now? Is he able to play at this point, OR would we expect him to be able to play by the start of the season? Do you see him staying here with the Cardinals if he IS able to play in 2015?

    Second, what is the situation with LeGarrett Blount? I was assuming the Pats just picked him up for the remainder of last season…or is that not the case? Do we know if he is staying in NE? I don’t remember hearing anything about him one way or the other since the season ended. I have heard not a word about him during free agency, so…I guess that would mean he is not a FA?

  30. By Darren Urban on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Dwyer

    He is a free agent. Don’t know if he faces NFL punishment. Don’t think it matter with him — highly doubt the Cardinals will bring him back.

    Blount is under contract with the Patriots.

  31. By Louisville Card on Mar 21, 2015 | Reply

    @ Dr. G

    You’re right about one thing Emitt didn’t have much left but I think he had more yards/season average than any other running back the cards have had besides Edge in the last 15 years. That’s how bad the cards have been running the ball. Brinnc’s very long post thinks the cards next to last running game can become middle of the road with a second round pic. I can’t remember the last season the cards were better than 27th….It’s not that easy to turn around the run game. If it was then the cards would’ve already done that 15 years ago.

    Darren, when was the last season the cards finished 16th or higher in rushing? I bet you’re going to have to go back to the 90’s…

    If the Vikings actually will be willing to give up AP you have to go after him. I really don’t see why the Vikings would trade him, but the cards would for at least one or two years be in the top ten in rushing. That doesn’t happen ever it seems for the cards so to all saying go cheap on RB $8 million is worth not being a perineal bottom dweller. The “old cards” would go cheap maybe the “new cards” will be different we will see…

  32. By Darren Urban on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Louisville —

    RE: rushing

    The Cardinals were 15th in rushing in 2002.

  33. By James J on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Chuck –

    You get the “c’mon man” award…a headliner title is not hard to miss! In fact, I kinda expect a little compensation for my editorial efforts since I did probably save Darren the scrutiny from his peer sports bloggers. lmao

    I like reading Darren’s blog and getting the “insider” perspective on things, even though I may disagree at times. But hey, I am just a mere peasant fan so what do I know.

  34. By W on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Brinnc- too much man.. waaaaaaaay too much..

  35. By brinnc on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H
    Yeah I have to admit that I get to rambling and just cant stop, it irks me at times!! You do realize I was just ribbing you with my first line, I read all your posts becaus you seem to be as passionate as I am, you always tell it like it is, whatever is on your mind you put it out there, and most importantly you always defend your posts with detailed explanations, just as I do, I guess the bottom line with AP, for me anyway, is money compared to expectations, would you agree that if the cardinals do go after AP it is pretty much an all-in move, Superbowl Champions or failure. That is how I look at it, so if we do not win it all the Cardinals are out a minimum of $25million, if we draft a RB (out of a very deep and talented pool, that could just as easily flop or be the third coming of AP, wont say second coming because that would be tough to do, I wont deny AP is a great RB, wont see another like him for quite awhile) but if Cards draft and use him as a compliment to Ellington (which BA has stated Ellington needs a compliment downhill power back) and they trade out of first round for extra picks in 2nd and 3rd rounds we will be much better position to fill two needs with not a drastic drop in talent from the #24 pick, but smaller contracts, so if the Cardinals draft a RB in 2nd round, that RB and Ellington should put up more yards on the ground and thru the air than AP can produce by himself, which increases are chances to win it all, but say we dont, and we fail with the Rookie and Ellington, their contracts combined are maximum $2.5million, so we are without the Lombardi Trophy and $2.5million dollars, but a minimum of 4 more seasons with the Rookie RB, and what, 2 more seasons with Ellington forming what should be a formidable duo, or the Cardinals dont win it all and fail with APand they are out $25million at a minimum, I think it will be more like $40million contract with absolute minimum of $25million garaunteed, per AP’s own words. So we dont win it all and fail with AP they stand to lose a ton more money. That is just the financial negative, there are so many more negatives, mostly off-field, I have never questioned (nor will I ever) AP’s on field production, other than he is 30 years old (actually I think his b-day is today!! Happy Birthday AP, may you have many more…In Minnesota! ! LOL! Sorry, had to get one dig in!!) But his many off field issues are just a powder keg wrapped in C4 just waiting to blow, the final straw for me was his comments on how the Vikings didnt support him through his ordeal (I will use ordeal instead of the proper word – crime!) He was kept off the suspended list and therefore got every penny he was owed, sitting around collecting millions, how many other companies would have paid someone after what he did?? All of us everday average joe go to work, we would be in prison doing hard time as a convicted felon!! But even overlooking that, it just doesnt add up financially, we stand to fail (not winning the Lombardi) and losing a ton more cash than if we fail (not winning the Lombardi) and only losing a max of $2.5million. Another point, with are upgraded run blocking O-Line, any of the top Rookies should be able to have an outstanding season, we dont need AP to run us out of the basement (or 31st anyway) , and with AP’s contract that gives us like 8 players taking up what has to be 60% or more (dont quote me on that, I hate #’s and have never claimed to be a genius salary cap issues!!) Of the Cardinals salary cap!!
    Actually someone mentioned trading PP for AP get rid of one big contract for another, actually I wouldnt mind the Cardinals doing that if they are dead set on bring in AP, that would make perfect financial sense to me, and lets be honest, Cardinals are overpaying PP (and yes, I was posting against givingPP a huge extension prior to the actual contract!) he is not the #1 CB in NFL, not even close, and does not deserve to be paid as the #1CB (which at the time he was being paid as #1 CB, I think Revis is now, but that is more feasible, if he is not the best CB, then he is second best!). See I did it again, this is my attempt to answer you short and sweet!! I just get wrapped up in my beloved Cardinals and just type, type, type!! I should have a pass though, I have been a fanatic Cardinal fan over 4 decades, even when we sucked to high hell, I drove myself mad rooting for my Beloved Cardinals!!!

  36. By brinnc on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Scott,
    Forgot to mention that all this typing is on a 3inch phone, with he keyboard about an inch high, I refuse to buy another computer after 5 different computers killed by a downloaded virus, it has been 6 years now, my phone suites me just fine even though it gives me finger cramps at times, holding the phone and using my index fingers to type, painful at times!! LOL

  37. By brinnc on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    W
    Like I havent heard that before!!
    Sorry, that is me, you will just have to skip over my posts, or you can do what others do, tap the thumbs down without reading the post, must forewarn you, it doesnt bother me in the least, hasnt slowed me down, plus I wasnt able to post for almost 6 months so I have to catch up, you must be new to the site, this is nothing, the guys that have been here for years know this is very light compared to prior years posts. Plus the draft is coming, and there are a few of us on here that love to “chat” as the draft draws closer, we post very long very detailed points of view, mock drafts, and player breakdown by positions, including my small school prospects and draft sleepers!! The best is yet to come!!!

  38. By brinnc on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Steve,
    Girley is/was a top 10 pick prior to blowing out his knee, he might be there at #24, but do you think the Cardinals can afford to use a first round pick on him, looking at November for Gurley to be ready, and that isnt even football shape, if the Cardinals traded out of fist for extra picks in 2nd and 3rd rounds (or maybe 4th round instead of 3rd) and Gurley was still on the board I just dont know if Cardinals can afford to wait for TG to be ready. I think we need a RB drafted in 2nd round (assuming they trade out of 1st) that is ready to contribute day1. Agree totally with you on Gurley being a star, have been lucky enough to watch him since he was a freshman in High School ripping up Varsity defenses, at tiny Tarboro HS. You may not believe this but he wasnt even Georgia’s #1 target at RB they got Keith Marshall out of one of the huge HS’ s in the triangle area, he was the #1 ranked RB in NC, depending which site you read Gurley wasnt even #2 unless you were talking Seniors only (D. Scott was a Sophomore at the time and he was #2 regardless of class on some sites) but Gurley amazed me from day1 at Georgia, I knew he would eventually be solid, but I never thought he would rip thru SEC defenses from day one, and eventually take over as the main RB for Georgia! ! I agree with you, he is going to be a stud in the NFL and he will contend for the rushing title every year (and win his fair share!) would love to see him winning those rushing titles and helping our Cardinals win the Lombardi Trophy! !! But finishing next to last in rushing and seemingly going all in for next year can the Cardinals afford to wait for TG to be healthy?? Thats the million dollar question, In my humble opinion, we cant afford to use a first round pick on him, and I’ve made it very clear I think we should trade out of the first, even if we could get him in the second do the Cardinals make the leap and wait for him to be healthy, or do we draft another solid RB like Johnson/Northern Iowa or Ajai/Boise St who will contribute from day1, and with our upgraded O-Line, especially in run blocking any of the top RB prospects should be able to have huge rookie seasons, of course that is just my opinion, and I truly wish Gurley was 100% healthy (but then he would be gone by pick #12-#15 at the latest!) but if he was healthy and there at #24, that would be a huge steal, the way it stands now, it will be interesting if Gurley is still there in round 2.

  39. By Dr. G. on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Brinc… voluminous? Yes, but I think Darren took the Evelyn Wood speed reading course back when…he has little choice in review. And finger typing? I thought you discovered the mic on your device! Please…don’t look for it!

    As for AP, I think you may have banged your head on the car door if you think AP would be “”an all in”” move. I thought we had the RB spot covered with Beanie, but he couldn’t stay out there.

    Repeating, a 3year//25mil//16guarantee deal would be one of the best moves we could make in years if he has stayed in football shape. The Vikes hold the cards if they want lackluster performance from AP this year. Keim can put a sensible deal together to make it work…I think he got schooled on the last contract containing a similar name. AP can draw lots of attention that will help our aerial game step it up. The recent O’line improvements are part of the ground game as well… You gotta love the portrait coming together…

    If an AP deal does not happen, we go to the draft for help, but there is zero learning curve with AP… I want to convert your thinking!!! Semper Fi….

  40. By Scott H on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    brinnc –

    Hey, no apologies / explanations needed, my friend. Me thinks you and I are cut from the same cloth, so….we’re good!

    As for AP….hearing the news that there is trouble in Minnesota caught my attention. But until / unless it reaches the point where there is something tangible brewing between the Cards and Vikings regarding a trade….might as well move on.

    And I also believe there are a few people out there who don’t even read my posts, they just hit Thumbs Down for any post I put on the board. I could do without that whole Thumbs Up/ Down thing, actually. I think if you like or dis-like a post, you should speak up and say something about why so there can be discussion / debate / dialogue. Just hitting a button for Thumbs Up / Down says next to nothing. And that is not really the point of a blog, is it???

    Also, since when do SPORTS FANS have nothing to say???

  41. By Dr. G. on Mar 22, 2015 | Reply

    Cards Fans…. I appreciate that many of you reiterate frequently the concepts and ideas from my postings. It demos that if not already, you can become some of the very best of “”The Bird Gang.””

    When we offer critique and suggestions, it is in the tenor of wanting the best team on the field. Winning is the cure for many ills, both personal and business…

    All the best to the “”Bird’s Nest”” this season….

  42. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 23, 2015 | Reply

    Louisville and Darren,

    Shocking stat; We have not been better than 16th in rushing since 2002???

    I knew we were bad at rushing but you would have thought once in the last 15 years we could have had something going.

    This further cements the idea of trading for AP or drafting Gurley.

  43. By Scott H on Mar 23, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG –

    Hey, if you think our running game has been bad since 2002, it’s probably nothing compared to how bad our TE’s have been! Geez, at least our running game has ranked near the middle of the pack on a FEW occasions. How far back would you have to go to find a season during which our TE’s were among the top half of the league??? Um…anyone remember Pat Tilley??

    Anyway, yes, RB absolutely needs to be THE first priority come draft day.

    That is….unless this situation in Minnesota with AP continues to worsen! You keepin’ an eye on that. too? I have no idea how serious the Cardinals may be about trying to bring him here or if they have any interest at all. But it is definitely getting ugly between AP and the Vikings and it is looking more like he may be wearing a different jersey in 2015.

    As the slogan goes – Why not us???

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