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Posted by Darren Urban on March 24, 2015 – 2:07 pm

Ken Whisenhunt returned to Arizona for the first time as a head coach since the Cardinals fired him after the 2012 season, and at Tuesday’s AFC Coaches breakfast, the current Titans boss talked about the “great memories” he has from his six years at the helm of the Cardinals.

“It’s good to come back,” Whisenhunt said. “The people, even in the short time I’ve been here (for the meetings) have been great. Lot of special memories about this place.”

Whisenhunt said Bruce Arians — whom Whisenhunt looked into hiring for his Cardinals staff — has done a “great job” as his replacement as head coach.

“I’m happy for him, I’m happy for the players, I’m happy for the fans,” Whisenhunt said. “To see the excitement around this team and what they are doing … this is a great area, it’s a great fanbase, and University of Phoenix Stadium, when it’s rocking, it’s a great environment. I’ve always enjoyed that.”

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40 Responses to “Whisenhunt’s “great memories” of time with Cards”

  1. By sggrange on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    With a better GM I think he would still be the coach….

  2. By b on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    @sggrange …umm….definitely not in the same realm as Bruce Arians..GM makes a difference but the coaching was just bad by KW.

    record proves it..

  3. By jacob on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Whisenhunt was a bad coach.Bruce Arians is smart and awesome.

  4. By Patrick Hoog aka Don't Take Losses on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Whiz took us where no Cardinal’s fan had ever been before, for that I graciously thank him. Ultimately he failed when Kolb went down and we had no QB, for years it seemed, …but as BA notes, they all are heroes until they’re bums. Whiz’ downfall just came faster than we expected…good luck Whiz.

  5. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Bowles on NYvsAZ media: “There’s about 3 AZ guys and a hundred NY guys, so I think they’ll win a fight.”

    Come on Darren, don’t you and Kent take exception to that? They might have more, but those whinny NY reporters couldn’t handle you AZ guys, could they?

  6. By Darren Urban on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: NY vs AZ

    I had my say.

  7. By Ryan on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    I can’t say the coaching was bad he got to the superbowl and nfc championship. Then between retirements, bad management, injuries, and free agency/trades. He lost all his strength positions and tried to put it all back together. He was offensively gifted even with Matt Leinart at the helm he could have done some damage but they cut him and kept Derrick Anderson that couldn’t hit the ocean if he was standing on the beach.

  8. By John The Draft Guy on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Nice…

  9. By georgiebird on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Without Warner, what has Whiz ever done?

  10. By Darren Urban on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Georgie —

    RE: Without Warner

    Without Brady, what has Belichick ever done?

  11. By Andy Kw on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Before you guys start hating on our former coach, what is Kurt Warner without Whiz? He gave Warner a chance when no one else would and look at how his career turned out. He would not have been considered a Future Hall of Famer or an inductee to the Cardinals Ring of Honor had Ken Whisenhunt not given him an opportunity to be a starter. We went to the Super Bowl, had 2 exciting playoff seasons, and had 4 memorable seasons as Cardinals Head Coach from 2007-2012 seasons. He helped the team get to 8 Wins in 2007, most wins by the Cardinals back then since the 1998. Super Bowl 2008, Playoffs 2009, 8-8 season 2011. Forever grateful for his time spent here. If you all hate him, then leave the fan base. He was part of the reason to the Cardinals resurrection. Without him or Rod Graves, our team would have relocated to another state.

  12. By Storm Byrd on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Got nothing but appreciation for Whiz. Surprised to see fans turn on him. I like the quote above from BA about every coach being a star until he’s a bum. Whiz and Warner made a great duo. Yeah, when Warner retired the team went under, but not every franchise has Aaron Rodgers waiting in the wings and it’s hard to maintain success year to year. Whiz had arguably the best two consecutive years in Cardinals history. When you lose your starting QB (especially a future HOF QB) it’s very difficult not to go downhill. All the best to him in Tennessee…unless/until they play AZ…then I’m not cool with him until the game is over.

  13. By Scott H on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    sggrange –

    I disagree, at least to some degree. Fact is, I believe Warner truly made this engine run. And when he left, the combo of Graves and Whiz just had no answers for the QB situation. Kolb was a valid try. It just didn’t work because he couldn’t stay healthy. This team went right off the map after Warner left. How do you not hold the head coach primarily responsible for that??? BTW, Todd Haley was also vital to this team in 2008. He was brilliant as the offensive coordinator.

    Jacob –

    Whiz was NOT a bad coach. C’mon, man, that’s a bit harsh.

    georgiebird –

    Fair question. Until Whiz has ANY success as a HC with a QB other then Kurt Warner, that is a fair question.

    Darren –

    Well, don’t we have to see Belichick fail as a HC without Brady for that question to be more valid than it is right now? Yeah, I know his first go-round with the Browns did not go well. But that was 100 years ago at this point. Clearly, Belichick has come a long way since then. His teams have been very-well balanced on offense and his defenses are consistently rock solid, so it’s not like Brady carries the whole team on his shoulders every year. I would need to see the current version of Belichick fail as a HC without Brady to acknowledge your point. Also, the one time the Pats needed to do without Brady, they still won a lot of games with Matt Cassell.

    AndyKw –

    For real??? Kurt Warner had some SPECTACULAR seasons in St Louis before he ever became a Cardinal or played for Ken Whisenhunt. Those spectacular seasons included two SB appearances, one SB win, one SB MVP, two league MVP’s, and three Pro Bowls. OK…..now, ask me again what Warner has been without Whiz! You must be kidding, man.

    I get your point about Warner maybe not becoming a true HOF candidate without his late-career years in Arizona. I have made that same point a thousand times. But to suggest that Kurt Warner didn’t really do anything until he had Whiz as his coach is beyond ridiculous.

    Also, I fail to see what great brilliance it took for Whiz to give Warner a chance to be great again. I remind you that the alternative to Warner at the time was Matt Leinart. Are you gonna tell me there was really a tough choice to make there??? Warner absolutely SMOKED Leinart during the 2007 season and Leinart did nothing in camp / pre-season in 2008 to show he was the man. I think this more a lack of options than a brilliant choice, gotta be honest.

    Finally, how did Whiz give Warner a chance when no one else would??? It was DENNIS GREEN who brought Warner here – NOT WHIZ. And it’s a good thing for Whiz that DENNIS GREEN did bring him here. Because the Cardinals were not going to a SB with Matt Leinart.

  14. By Darren Urban on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Brady

    Sorry. I think you are splitting hairs.

    Maybe Belichick is OK without Brady. But you are missing the point. A coach without a great quarterback can never be a great coach. You might have a great season, or two, but without the great QB, you aren’t going to be great. Not sure why Belichick’s time in Cleveland doesn’t count. Why? Because it was before Brady?

    I’m not saying Whiz was great. I think he had plenty of flaws. But I think this idea that a great coach can make chicken salad out of chicken … well, you know … with poor quarterbacking is simply not true. Not in this NFL.

    And by the way, Denny dumped Warner as his quarterback, before we start patting him on the back so much.

  15. By clssylssy on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    It always makes a little sick to see the “Cardinal faithful” bash Coach Whiz and say he was nothing without Warner (who one could say reneged on his contract and left the team hung out to dry) when he is the only coach in Cardinal history to take us to the Superbowl, (coming within less than a minute of winning), as well as, earning us two Divisional Championship Banners and a Conference Championship Banner to hang in U of Phoenix Stadium. Much like Coach Vince Tolbin, I think he was a victim of organizational politics and the sacrificial lamb for a front office that was ripe with internal problems, in a transitional phase from one generation to another and a President new to his position anxious to establish “his own people”with a personnel “cleansing”. Coach Ken’s success with the Chargers as OC, and getting them to the playoffs for the first time in years, speaks to his offensive mind.and reminded me of his early days with the Cards. He wasn’t a media darling, much like other great coaches, Marty Shottenheimer, Bill Bilichick, Sean Payton, John Harbaugh,etc. which I completely understood and appreciated, unlike most fans who would rather be placated with witticisms following a loss than the truth…”we’re going to have to do better and see where we need to make changes” however mundane it seems.
    To this day, I am a Whisenhunt fan and will forever cherrish fondly those magical days of the 2008 and 2009 seasons, as well as, the highs and lows leading up to his departure. We can thank Coach Whiz for encouraging BA to come to Arizona and interview for the job…they are difference personalities but are cut from the same cloth. Years from now, nobody will remember the season records, just the Championship banners hanging in the stadium and the coaches and players responsible for earning them. Coach Whisenhunt always speaks fondly of the Cardinal Organization, the fans and the town, and holds no ill will but understands it’s the nature of the business.

  16. By Travis on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    He seamlessly took Denny Green’s team to the SB. Then systematically dismembered the team. Worst quarterbacks coach to walk the face of the planet. Ruined Leinart, brought in Kolb/Skelton/Hall/Lindley… nuff said

  17. By chris on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Michael Bidwill is the greatest thing that has happened to this franchise. Whiz is a good coach but better as a coordinator. Graves was a disaster…Keim, Arians and Bidwill(the three amigos) are what dreams are made of. As a Cards fan for 34 years this is the best I have ever felt about the franchise.

    GOOOOOOO CARDSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

  18. By Mike G on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Hey Darren–Hope all is good! Glad to see Whiz come back to Arizona and have some nice things to say about Arizona and the Cardinals. He certainly did some good things with the Cards. I wish him well with the Titans. Certainly Arians first two years have been productive with 21 wins and a playoff appearance. I like what the Cards have done so far in the offseason and look forward to the upcoming draft. Starting to look at some players the Cards may be interested in in the upcoming draft.

  19. By Big Ken on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Whiz inherited a good team.

  20. By CreditCard on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Without cheating what has Belicheck ever done?

  21. By georgiebird on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    Re: Belichick & Brady
    You make a good point about Belichick having done nothing without Brady. When it’s time for Belichick to be voted into the HOF, I think your argument will be used to keep Cheatin’ Bill out of the Hall. Do you have a vote?

  22. By Steve . on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Super guy and a good x’s and o’s coach but not particularly good at evaluating talent especially at the QB position. His bungling of the revolving door of mediocre QBs to come through here (Max Hall, John Skelton, Derek Anderson) and his stubborn refusal to draft a difference making RB named Adrian Peterson despite his scouts insistence that A.P. was a better prospect than Levi Brown will always cloud his stay here.

  23. By Andy Kw on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H-
    You do realize that after he injured his thumb back in 2003 or 2004, he was never the same QB until he became starter back in 2007? I know he took the Rams to 2 Super Bowls and became a Super Bowl MVP but after his injury and before his success with the Whiz led Cardinals, where did he stand? He was released by the Rams because he lost out to QB Marc Bulger and he was not able to play well anymore. He went to the Giants, started around 6 games and was eventually benched in favor of rookie NYG QB Eli Manning. When he was the starter for Dennis Green, did he recapture that magic back in his St.Louis days? He did not. He had QB competitions with Matt Leinart, Josh McCown, John Navarre and probably other unknown names. He had okay stats but struggled to win games under Dennis Green. When Whiz came, what happened? Kurt Warner was finally winning again and was finally being recognized once again as one of the best QBs in the NFL back in 2008-09. Do you know anything about Kurt Warner from 2003-2006 seasons? I don’t think you do.

  24. By Andy Kw on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H, I’m not rejecting any of his glorious success he had with the Rams. But he certainly would no have been considered a future HoF or Cardinal Ring of Honor without Whiz. Dennis Green couldn’t bring any winning seasons with Kurt Warner as starter. Warner was off the radar until Whiz came. Do you get it now? He was a successful QB but that thumb injury derailed his career. Whiz game him a chance and implemented a system that made Kurt Warner Kurt Warner again. He gave Warner a chance and he produced.

  25. By Eazy E on Mar 24, 2015 | Reply

    Whisenhunt did a great deal for us as head coach. His downfall was getting the wrong QBs, but before that, Levi over Adrian! Kolb didn’t deserve close to what he got in terms of opportunities, not money because hey they paid him and the market dictates to you your value! He just couldn’t get a decent QB post Kurt Warner and gosh did it show! I don’t wish him bad or nothing though because that is sick! I hope he does well in Tennessee!

  26. By Jaystorm on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    Belichik had the courage to stand up to Kraft and tell him that he was going with Brady. Up until that point, Drew Bledsoe was Krafts guy and for good reason. He had a large hand in resurrecting that franchise.

    I liked Whisenhunt as a “game coach” but he was terrible at wielding his power and his decision making was suspect. He gave the frail Leinhart too many chances and too much credit. I legitimately feel the Cards could have made a run during the ’08 season. Which would have been a home game had they gone the distance.

  27. By Jaystorm on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Sorry meant 08 playoffs

  28. By jasonc on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Here is an analogy that might help you understand coaching….

    It’s like cooking and groceries. You can be a pretty good cook and make a decent meal; give you some top grade ingredients and you can make a superb meal. You can be a classically trained critically acclaimed chef and make a superb meal out of decent ingredients; give you top grade ingredients and you can cook a phenomenal meal.

    Belichick was a great coach in Cleveland, and he was able to build that team to an 11 win season by his 3rd year including a playoff win against the Patriots with Vinnie Testaverde as his QB. Give him a Brady and he has won 4 super bowls in New England.

    Whiz was a pretty good coach, and with Roethlisberger/Warner he was able to garner success; he just couldn’t replicate that meal when he went from filet to ground beef.

  29. By CardinalChris on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    As of Mar 11, 2013, Belichick is 51-65 without Brady. Great Coaches still don’t play the game and only go as far as the talent can take them…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1560349-bill-belichick-or-tom-brady-who-deserves-more-credit-for-the-patriots-success

    Whiz and Warner – showed the Cards fans what winning is and the taste is soooooo sweet!

  30. By Richard Iddings on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Whisenhunt was a bad coach? Come on. He took us to the Superbowl! What he had was years of poor QB play, a leaky O-Line, and spotty RB play. As a fan I appreciate what Whiz accomplished and it set the direction we’re on now.

  31. By Scott H on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    OK. As always, it’s a debate that could do on forever and I believe there are valid points on both sides. I don’t totally discount Belichick’s stint as the Browns coach. Given that it was so long ago at this point, it was his first HC gig, and the fact that there has clearly been a whole different result over such a long period with the Pats ( yes, WITH a great QB )…I’m not even sure how much credence it should be given. Open for debate.

    And regarding Denny dumped Warner as his QB, well…OK, can we look at what that situation was at the time?? How was Warner playing at that point? To my recollection, it wasn’t going too well for Warner at that time. And hadn’t the Cardinals just drafted Leinart – a QB projected by most to do well in the NFL – with their 1st round pick??? OK…so, wouldn’t these factors pretty much make it a no brainer that you give your 1st round QB a chance to play at that point??? Sure makes sense to me.

    Denny didn’t get to stick around long enough for Leinart to go in the tank. If he had, he might have very well gone back to Warner, too. Just sayin – Warner was NOT playing well at the time Denny “dumped” him so I’m not sure why we would question Denny for making that call. Shoot, I was ready to be done with Warner at that point, too. I think a lot of us were. The re-emergence of Kurt Warner did not begin until 2007. Before that? It really was looking like Kurt just didn’t have it anymore.

    BTW, I am going totally on memory with all of this and my memory ain’t always what it used to be. So, if I am just totally off on any of this….my bad. 🙂

  32. By Darren Urban on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Denny

    But do you see what you are saying? Warner was playing poorly, everyone was done with him. You are 100 percent right, his resurgence didn’t come until 2007 … when Whiz arrived.

    Was it just because of Whiz? Of course not. But he had a hand in it.

  33. By Andy Kw on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Scott H-
    Thanks for finally understanding

  34. By dieselbomb on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    AndyKW said :
    Before you guys start hating on our former coach, what is Kurt Warner without Whiz? He gave Warner a chance when no one else would and look at how his career turned out. He would not have been considered a Future Hall of Famer or an inductee to the Cardinals Ring of Honor had Ken Whisenhunt not given him an opportunity to be a starter. We went to the Super Bowl, had 2 exciting playoff seasons, and had 4 memorable seasons as Cardinals Head Coach from 2007-2012 seasons. He helped the team get to 8 Wins in 2007, most wins by the Cardinals back then since the 1998. Super Bowl 2008, Playoffs 2009, 8-8 season 2011. Forever grateful for his time spent here. If you all hate him, then leave the fan base. He was part of the reason to the Cardinals resurrection. Without him or Rod Graves, our team would have relocated to another state.
    = = = = =

    Kurt Warner was the key – not Whiz.

    Whiz took far too long to just put the ball in KWarner’s hands. Idiotic loss of time. Stupid head coaching antics. He was bewildered the team made it to the SuperBowl. Haley is more deserving of accolades than Whiz; but the irrefutable evidence is that KWarner knew what plays would get the team where they needed to be … Not Whiz. He worked with Haley. But it was KWarner’s play-list that made the grade, and his ability to make pre-snap reads and audible along with his pin-point passing delivery and accuracy – with his choice to take hits from the D (which meant those players Were Not Covering the Receivers) that made the difference … all of it On-Field stuff, not HC stuff. Whiz and Grimm were more a problem than a help. The order of priority for proper credit should be :

    Warner -> Haley > Receivers (Boldin, Breaston, Fitzgerald and TE’s) -> Whiz.

    I’d venture to say that all things being the same, you add BA as headcoach in 2008, the Cardinals would’ve had a better record than 9-7, even with a lesser Defense. BA was then, and is now, very decisive. He would’ve put the ball into KWarner’s hands right from the outset – irrespective of the presence of MLeinert. It would’ve saved three years of dilly-dallying around (from Whiz).

  35. By dieselbomb on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    By Scott H on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply
    Darren –
    OK. As always, it’s a debate that could do on forever and I believe there are valid points on both sides. I don’t totally discount Belichick’s stint as the Browns coach. Given that it was so long ago at this point, it was his first HC gig, and the fact that there has clearly been a whole different result over such a long period with the Pats ( yes, WITH a great QB )…I’m not even sure how much credence it should be given. Open for debate.
    And regarding Denny dumped Warner as his QB, well…OK, can we look at what that situation was at the time?? How was Warner playing at that point? To my recollection, it wasn’t going too well for Warner at that time. And hadn’t the Cardinals just drafted Leinart – a QB projected by most to do well in the NFL – with their 1st round pick??? OK…so, wouldn’t these factors pretty much make it a no brainer that you give your 1st round QB a chance to play at that point??? Sure makes sense to me.
    Denny didn’t get to stick around long enough for Leinart to go in the tank. If he had, he might have very well gone back to Warner, too. Just sayin – Warner was NOT playing well at the time Denny “dumped” him so I’m not sure why we would question Denny for making that call. Shoot, I was ready to be done with Warner at that point, too. I think a lot of us were. The re-emergence of Kurt Warner did not begin until 2007. Before that? It really was looking like Kurt just didn’t have it anymore.
    BTW, I am going totally on memory with all of this and my memory ain’t always what it used to be. So, if I am just totally off on any of this….my bad.🙂

    = = = = =

    KWarner needed to be THE guy, come what may. He was given the ball on exactly those terms with the Rams when TGreen went down – he started his 1st of three top 3 SuperBowl QB performances at that time.

    Dennis Green is and was a terrific WestCoast Offense HC. He, as HC, had a great talent evaluation skillset. But he was on the decline – thus, when he let fly with his historic and famous after-game rant: “They are who we thought they were!” It simply showed his better days were behind him. He is the one who selected KWarner (wisely so ); and he was the one who sought MLeinert (very unwisely so). He was by then wishy-washy with starting QB’s. The team showed a complete lack of consistency owing to DGreen’s unstable ways at that time. Also, the AZ Cardinals were also the place where players and coaches go to die at the end of their careers. That was never more evident than the moments in question.

    KWarrner was still trying to learn to cope with the damaged finger which occurred a couple seasons before at the end of his days with the Rams. So, they (DGreen and coaching staff) made KWarner sit, then start, then sit, then start which was exactly the WRONG thing to do to Warner. Green mis-judged what he could’ve gotten from Warner by NOT providing a consistent Base for Warner to succeed (the same thing applied to Josh McCown, too. He had no consistency to stand on).

    Whiz simply kept the shakey basis going. What a foolish way to approach the task. Whiz kept waffling between the Draft-Bust Leinert and the SuperBowl champ.

    Doesn’t anyone else see the stupidity of that!?!

    KWarner was given the ball finally – THEN he found that wearing two gloves helped zero-out the problems he was having with his damaged hand.

    It was THEN that he made it to his third SuperBowl. The AZ Cardinals benefited from KWarner being given the ball no matter what, the three Receivers going over 1000 yards each, and the TEAM working THEIR game on the field, not in the Head Coaches office. And, in that same mix was Haley’s effort. Those elements made it happen.

  36. By Scott H on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    And I DO agree with Whiz playing a role In Warner’s resurgence BUT not being the end-all / be-all of how or why it happened. Some of my comments may have reflected that I gave him no credit for that at all. NOT the case. But here are the 4 basic factors I would say were involved in Warner’s re-emergence IN THE ORDER of how instrumental I think they were.

    1) Warner’s desire and competitive nature. He WANTED it.
    2) Todd Haley as OC, building the offense to Warner’s abilities
    3) Leinart creating the opportunity for Warner through his own poor performance. Because if Leinart plays well enough to cement his status as the starting QB for this team, Warner doesn’t get his chance. How can he? He probably moves on to another team where he believes he can be the guy.
    4) Whiz opening the QB competition

    And I’m NOT saying that Whiz coming in at #4 means he is a distant #4. All of these things had to happen to give Warner the chance to get back in the saddle AND succeed once he got there.

    However it all happened, I’m just damn glad it did! 🙂

    I think we agreed to a bottom line, so…moving on?

  37. By Scott H on Mar 25, 2015 | Reply

    Andy Kw –

    Well, first of all, I am just as aware of Kurt Warner during the down years as I am of Kurt Warner during the glory years in St Louis. And because I AM aware of that period of his career, I know that he played more than 6 games for the Giants before he was benched there for Eli Manning. I also know that at the time he was benched, the Giants actually had a winning record ( I believe they were one game over .500 ).

    Agreed that after the thumb injury, he was not the same QB That was obvious.

    But whatever. I was responding to your asking what is Warner without Whiz? Since the question was not really specific to any portion of Warner’s career, I responded the way I did. I focused on his glory years in St Loo. Your counter to my response focused on his down years. And we’re both obviously aware of his time in Arizona, though it appears we have differing points of view in regard to who gets the credit for what.

    So, to answer your question – Yes, I DO get it. And at the same time, no, maybe I don’t. What the hell am I actually saying, you ask? I’m saying that per MY point of view, I guess I get it. From YOUR point of view, I guess I don’t.

    But here is where I think YOU don’t get it, IMHO. As I clarified in my most recent reply to Darren, I DO recognize Whiz as being A factor in Warner’s resurrection. You seem to believe that Whiz was THE factor, the whole factor, and nothing but the factor in Warner’s resurrection. You do not give credit to anyone or anything else. And, I’m sorry, but I think that shows GROSS negligence of the other factors that WERE involved. You make it sound like Whiz appeared and suddenty, the seas parted and Kurt Warmer was magically transformed. I disagree. It was NOT that simple.

    You say “Whiz gave him a chance and implemented a system that made Kurt Warner Kurt Warner again.” Oh. And Todd Haley, the offensive coordinator had NOTHING to do with implementing this system? Look, being an offensive guy himself, I have no doubt that Whiz had a hand in creating the offensive system that was used during Kurt’s time here. But I am VERY confident in saying that was more Haley than Whiz. And we DO know for a fact that Haley was the guy calling the plays on the sidelines and we know it was Haley that Warner went to when he came off the field.

    Now….if you maintain that Whiz was the end-all / be-all of this whole thing, then I would need to ask – why couldn’t he create and implement a system that worked for any of the other QB’s that played for us from 2010 through 2012?

  38. By Grimm Reaper on Mar 26, 2015 | Reply

    Whiz was a stand up guy to his staff; he took a lot of blame and covered for them (as a coach should), but moreover, he took the heat specifically for Russ Grim. Russ was a hell of a player, but didn’t’ impress me on the coaching side. Our QBs were all sitting ducks with the porous o-line we had and GRIMM was the reason.

    After Warner departed, Whiz’ choice for QBs didn’t help, however if Whiz had fired him a year or two before the axe finally coming down on him; things could have been a little different. Warner might have stayed another year if the Oline had been better.

  39. By cardinal on Mar 26, 2015 | Reply

    wiz is 3-23 his last 26 games as a head coach he ran alot of good players off …and blew it all when he cut matt right b4 the season started and never gave him a chance and went with worthless derek A has A big ego problems

  40. By Scott H on Mar 27, 2015 | Reply

    cardinal –

    I kinda agree. I mean, the fact that Leinart has disappeared from football completely at this point says a lot about what his abilities ( apparently ) are. So from THAT perspective, how can ya say that Whiz was wrong for releasing him? I certainly cannot.

    What I faulted Whiz for was dragging it out as long as he did, then releasing Leinart so late in the game. It seemed to me there should have been more decisiveness than that. It’s not like we didn’t know anything about Leinart at that point, ya know? Whiz appeared to not be crazy about Leinart from the beginning. Was he hoping for a miraculous turn-around?

    Anyway, AT THE TIME ( and based on the fact that Anderson looked pretty awful as well ), I would have preferred that we’d stayed with Leinart and given him aother chance. I honestly believed Leinart offered more of an up-side ( AT THAT TIME ).

    Looking back on it now, I also remember feeling that the Cardinals were doomed no matter what. Because BOTH QB’s looked terrible.

    Playing it out a bit further, I grew more and more frustrated with Whiz over the course of that season because of his maintaining that Anderson gave us the best chance to win – as we continued to lose game after game after game. Meanwhile, Skelton was sitting on the bench not even getting a chance. THAT was when I reached the point of being DONE with Ken Whisenhunt.

    Playing it out even further, I wanted them to fire Whiz a year sooner than they did. I wanted to be done with him AND wanted them to bring Jeff Fisher in. Instead, they kept Whiz for 2012, Fisher went to St Loo, and that opened the door for BA in 2013. Damn glad the Cardinals don’t listen to me!

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