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Posted by Darren Urban on October 18, 2015 – 7:51 pm

It was tough not to get the feeling that, after a half in which it looked like the Cardinals would take control of their game against the Steelers but never did, the Cards missed their chance. That’s how it played out of course, with the hamstring injury of Mike Vick turning out to be the best thing to happen to the Steelers. Landry Jones looked OK, but the fact he was able to give Pittsburgh a semblance of a passing game made all the difference.

What it means now is that the Cardinals will again draw skeptics that they have lost to the only two decent teams on the schedule so far. That feeling probably won’t change in the next two weeks, with a Monday night game against the Ravens at home and then a trip to the feisty Browns. There was, not surprisingly, confidence in the locker room this will get fixed over the next week. It was, like the game itself, a lot like what happened after the Rams loss.

The Seahawks lost, at home to the Panthers, so the two-game division lead remains intact. The Cardinals play like they are capable, they win Sunday. But the math is simple in the NFL – everything else considered, when you’re minus-3 in turnovers, you’re almost always going to lose. If the Cards finish that next-to-last drive and Carson Palmer doesn’t throw a pick, well, again, we were saying the same thing after the near-game-saving drive against the Rams – you’re talking about a win regardless of the warts.

— It was a little surprising the Cardinals didn’t run it more. They gained only 55 yards on 20 carries, and the Steelers were stout on the day. But Andre Ellington only got one carry for seven yards, early, and then didn’t carry it again.

— Dwight Freeney got his first playing time as a pass rusher. I didn’t watch him a ton, but it seemed like he had a couple of pressures. That’ll be something to watch on the replay.

— The penalties just killed the Cardinals Sunday. Whether it was Michael Floyd’s offensive pass interference to negate a TD or Kevin Minter’s post-play push or the chop block, they didn’t help. There were definitely some questionable calls – the Markus Golden helmet-to-helmet hit wasn’t, as replays proved. But officials are calling that in real time and will always err on the side of caution.

Bruce Arians was blunt about how to fix the mistakes and penalties.

“Stop doing it,” Arians said. “Drag your foot closer and make a touchdown. Don’t give up an 80-yard touchdown.”

— He was talking about the Floyd-TD-that-wasn’t – a huge turn, and Floyd was a toe away from being in, it looked like – and then the final TD catch-and-run by Martavis Bryant. That may have been just as painful as the Palmer pick. A three-and-out there, and the Cards get the ball with about 1:50 left and one timeout. Instead, the game was over.

— So in the Cards’ two losses, they are 2-for-9 in the red zone. In their four wins, they are 16 for 17. The latter is an unrealistic pace to keep up, but still, it makes all the sense in the world to Larry Fitzgerald.

“Our issues on offense are pretty simple to me,” he said. “We are getting down there, we have a ton of offensive red zone snaps. We just have to execute them better. Point blank, that is where it stops. If we are scoring touchdowns and we put 30 points on the board we walk out of here with a win.”

This is true.

— Fitz did do one somewhat strange move late in the first half, during a timeout. He went over to the Steelers sideline to say hi to offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who used to be the Cardinals’ OC back in 2007 and 2008. He promptly dove at Haley’s legs and tackled him – relatively gently – to the ground. Fitz used to do it all the time to Haley at practice (he’s done it to many people over the years, including me), although I will admit to see it during a game was different.

— Safe to say Floyd is back in the mix. One touchdown, and he was targeted for three others, although in one way or another they weren’t completions.

— It’s been a long week. Time to get home.

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65 Responses to “Steelers aftermath”

  1. By Ryan on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Here’s some stats I’d like your input on…

    Rams and Steelers (Both losses)

    Rams 1st half 98 total yards (9 rush) 2nd half 230 total yards (155 rush)

    Steelers game 1st half 59 total yards (29 rush) 2nd half 251 total yards (112 rush) 1st half 0/6 on 3rd down. 2nd half 3/6

    Bettcher seems to be getting conservative when game is close. Less blitz and Afraid to give up big play. Our corners back off and give buffer to receivers. Just seems like we get away from what we are good at. When we are up by more than one possession we keep the petal to the metal and blow teams out, but seem to lose our identity on close games.

    Thoughts?

  2. By shane on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    still believe in this team they have so much potential but the mistakes are unacceptable but fixable but i believe they will turn it around .. i almost think this team at least on offense has to many play makers and the coaching staff is having a hard time using every body the right way.

  3. By shane on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    Do you agree that as crazy as it sounds that this offence might have too many play-makers? and maybe because of that bruce is having a hard time using everybody the right way? it seems like it… little more so at the running back position, I think bruce will figure it out but i had to ask.

  4. By Darren Urban on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Shane —

    RE: Too many playmakers

    No.

  5. By clssylssy on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    These kinds of losses may come back to haunt us. We had the better team but got out coached on both sides of the ball. Once again we got pass happy and didn’t stick to our strong running game long enough, Palmer was forcing the ball to Brown when there were stronger players open, we had way too many drops, fumbles and poorly executed plays. Our mechanics were sloppy and our “No fly zone” seemed to have flown the coop prematurely…we didn’t finish the game. It seemed as if everyone just was going through the motions so they could get home and really weren’t worried about an impending loss. Real contenders don’t quit!
    Not being able to win against a good team and their 3rd string QB really should be a reality check of just how good we really are! I don’t want to hear that “we weren’t prepared for Laundry” because it would have been the same or worse with Big Ben (who we were supposedly ready for). No excuses, just fix it in time for the Ravens! We are better than this!

  6. By Steve on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    As a fan, these are the worst types of games to watch when your team does everything but win the game. Some people will blame the refs today and they did make some questionable calls but the Cards have no one to blame but themselves for this sorry loss. The Cards are still in first place but despite some in the national media that have touted them as a great team, they have yet to beat a quality opponent this season, perhaps they have bought into their own hype a bit.

  7. By D on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    1.BA got away from the run. 2. The Team is too careless with the ball. 3 Hopefully that 80 yard TD the defense gave up will wake them up, refocus and reduce all of the smack talk we see from them. They got beat by a 3rd string QB on his first ever regular season action. Stop acting like you’re the 84 Bears. The calls went against them but Palmer can’t make it a habit of throwing into double coverage. His past reputation will not be forgotten until he stops making mistakes in crunch time. I am a big fan of our left tackle but he needs to step up his game. This team has the talent to beat average and below average teams, they have time to improve and I believe this coaching staff will get them to play better. If they don’t, they will be a one and done playoff team.

  8. By krehbieo14 on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    What can I say? An inexcusable lack of discipline by the Cards cost us another game!

  9. By CoryM on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    I agree with all the negative comments on facebook about Palmer, the guy is horrible sometimes. And when he does that it trickles down to the rest of the team. It honestly makes me wonder if he is paid off to lose sometimes. It just doesn’t seem possible he can play so well in some games, then in games like St. Louis and this one so incredibly bad. Troy Aikman seemed stunned at his bad playing.

  10. By JohnnyBluenose on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    A couple of days ago I predicted we would win this game 31-13 if we could avoid penalties and turnovers. We could not. Thankfully, I did not see the game which, for Cardinals’ fans, must have been ugly and frustrating. Can anyone explain why we could not run the ball? Is our o-line not good enough despite our free agent signings and first round draft picks? Andre Ellington had one touch? Really? Why? And Larry fooling around with Todd Haley during the game? That is so wrong and sends the completely wrong message to everyone. I know Larry wants to win badly but when I played 50 years ago I was taught that the opposition was the enemy and not your friend before or during the game. That’s changed, at least in the NFL. There is too much socializing between players to suit me. Home field advantage during the play-offs is huge, especially for a warm weather team like ours. These two pathetic losses we have needlessly suffered may really come back to haunt us in January when we are playing in Carolina or Green Bay instead of in Phoenix. We need to smarten up and toughen up and stop blowing these opportunities. We are supposed to be a good team but we sometimes don’t play like one.

  11. By Robert Mason on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    If u think u can fix this ur kidding ur selfs. A 3rd string QB beat your asses and made u all look like the old cardinals. How about staying at a motel6. That way you all might come out all pissed off!!!! Worst game ever!!!!!

  12. By jaime on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    I hope all you negative people just stop it, Cards are a great team and Palmer is awesome, even Secretariat has losses, its how you come back. Please Arizona Fans dont become like those dumb fans other teams have. Support and I know this team is going to come out fast strong and smarter then ever for the next 10 games. Go Big RED!!!!

  13. By Mike Fields on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    I agree with you clssylssy about Palmer forcing the ball to Brown. I remember all the articles on here about Palmer “taking Brown under his wing” and all that nonsense. Palmer needs to stop the buddy buddy stuff and go to the reliable and open players. Throwing the ball into a double well covered receiver hoping that he will somehow make the play because you are his buddy is absurd.

  14. By scott on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    now 2 games out of a first round bye!!!

  15. By Hocklead on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    I take it we aren’t going to see any more about The Greenbrier now? We had this place shoved in our faces by pictures and stories and videos on all social media and the app for a week telling us how great it was and how important it was. That worked out so well.

  16. By Logan Cooper on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Go back to being a bit more balanced and we’ll be fine. GO CARDS!

    Keep it up Darren, you do an amazing job.

  17. By Red Dead Redemption on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Overall embarrassing. Few calls BA outsmarted himself (that is his weakness, like keeping Drew Bulter. Simple stuff he overcomplicates). Defensively to let a QB with no NFL experience do that to you? You aren’t an elite defense. Yes the Cardinals defense can look like the best in the NFL. They can be an elite defense. But they are also wildly inconsistent. There is a defining pattern and the Rams loss felt close to the same. Look at what Foles did and Gurley. Not to mention Spoon really must have soured this coaching staff. Has to be more to it than “other guys playing better”.

    The team goes as Carson goes – even defensively. When he is great the team is getting turn overs and lighting up the red zone. When he is average and missing throws the offense struggles in the red zone and the defense seems to give up big plays in the 4th quarter. Carson threw the easy interception. But make no mistake this was a team loss.

    Worst year of calls I have ever witnessed and that is saying something. Not just the Cardinals but around the NFL feels like the replacement refs are standing in again. Tons of flags yet key missed calls. The Refs in this game took away 4 points with the PA call. Vick getting hurt was bad luck. If he stayed I am convinced they wouldn’t have scored a TD.

    Good news is I feel this team will only get better and defensively will clean it up. The Seahawks are struggling and are pretty much a 1-4 team. 49ers we can and will beat and we won’t lose to the Rams again. No reason to be really worried.
    We also should be the Ravens, Browns, and get to the bye week 6-2. If we lose to either of those teams? Consider me officially worried.

    But loses like this can help a team get stronger and mold together a championship run. Look at the Patriots/Chiefs game last year.

  18. By Jon Elder on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Arians seems to become impatient and predictable in close games or when playing from behind.

    80 yard bombs stop working when everybody knows that’s what you’re gonna do all the damn time. There is a reason why every other team in the league doesn’t play this way.Sometimes you have to grind out wins

    Arians needs to stop panicking when we get behind and commit to live or die by the run. We have the talent at RB, there really is no excuse not to utilize it.

  19. By Robert Mason on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Jamie I have been a fan for the last 20yrs. Been to games at sun devil stadium just to see a cards game and be out numbered by the opposing teams. so when the team plays this bad we as FANS have to call them out!! Even the white stuff in Chicken poop is poop!!

  20. By Red Dead Redemption on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    Also to add one more thing. The Cardinals should trade Andre Ellington for a pass rusher. They do not need him and want to make a run now. Sure injuries happen but gamble. But Johnson and Johnson are enough. More than Enough.
    He can’t stay healthy. Chris probably has one more year and you can draft someone. Younger Johnson is a beast. Ellington is also the type of guy teams on the verge would overpay.
    I’d see if the Bills would bite, also Chiefs Tamba would be great, or the Lions Ezekiel Ansah. I would be willing to throw in a Floyd too for another a LB that is a upgrade over who we have now.
    Too bad Texans don’t need a running back or a WR. I’d give both of them and a first round pick for J.J. Watt. I get signing an older vet to gamble on. Cheap.
    I’d gamble further though.

  21. By theuglitruth on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    It seems to me that the Cards lack a killer instinct. They lack the hunger, focus, and drive that you find in Championship teams. The same drive & desire you see in NE & GB. You have to handle your business with teams that start a second string QB, that’s just how it is in a short 16 game season!

  22. By dan on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    No more resorts please…….obviously didn’t work out. No way on Gods Greenbriars earth should we have lost this friggin game………..Unbelievable! I mean why not just go after William Gay all day? That guy could cover himself with a blanket for F-sakes. Bad playcalling without a doubt………Ellington should have played more, could tell CJ was having an off day right away. Refs can kiss my bright red rosy too……..Steelers got the calls as usual…………gotta keep selling all that Steelers merchandise………….must be backlogged on terrible towels………No wonder the fans love those yellow towels and show their support for the refs yellow flags, must rub off on the refs. Ever go on any website and type in Cardinals merchandise and them compare it to Steelers merchandise? Steelers obviously get BONUSES by way of how games are called……..I have no doubt in my mind. Not sure of how the schematics works but something fishy is going on.

  23. By dan on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    any how many times does Troy Aikman say “Excellent”! OMG!!! Every friggin week…….Excellent Play, Excellent Job, Excellent blah……….wth.

  24. By dan on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    At least the Seahags lost……..I’m sure we’ll end up blowing that too later in the year……………..Palmer needs to nut up and quit choking.

  25. By pemory on Oct 18, 2015 | Reply

    A disgraceful performance. And for the second time in three weeks Cards acted as though merely showing up was enough. Disgraceful.

  26. By dkerry5242 on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Another loss to a team with a winning record. I’m beginning to believe the Cards were over hyped and the players were drinking the Kool Aid. Palmer again blew it in the clutch. Arians abandoned the running game in the second half, The defense played soft and let a THIRD string QB beat them, terrible.This season is starting to look more like 9 and 7 and fight for a wild card.

  27. By Nrock on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Am I the only Cardinals fan that’s not worrying? Yeah we dropped a game against a good ball club at their own home, back to back road games. I’m not making excuses it’s the reality, we are a terrific team we played a bad game. It shouldn’t be acceptable but worry not little Cardinals the sky is not falling. So what we’re 4-2. Its not like a 4-2 team would ever be able to make the Superbowl, right?

  28. By Iain on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Hi Darren,

    You have always given very fair assessments of how well the cards play, so in your opinion, how do you rate the cardinals season to date? and what improvements do you think need to be made so we can win these games we really could have won? I think we have played excellent, with a couple of costly mistakes. Thanks.

  29. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Iain —

    RE: Assessement

    They are still 4-2 and are still ahead in the division. That’s the big thing.

    I thought they would win in Pitt and there is a chance this one might sting more than the Rams game, given the injuries to the Steelers. I certainly thing they are a good team. But they aren’t a great team and they have to be careful about the little mistakes that cost you against good teams. I think they win the next two. And then we see how that rough part of the schedule plays out.

  30. By Marcelof on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    233 yards x 1 yard by halftime and 10 x 3 on the board?! It answers it all.

  31. By louis on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    sorry to say it looks like the old cards . if we play like we did sunday we are in trouble .

  32. By Eric G on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Safe to say the let’s stay on the East Coast between games thing doesn’t work. It’s time to rethink whether the players are better off sleeping in their own beds.

    It was a frustrating game to watch, both for the fact that the Cards missed lots of opportunities and the fact that the Steelers play under different rules than the rest of the league. Disappointed in that loss. They have to win Monday against the Ravens and must not let the Cleveland game slip away from them.

  33. By Scott H on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Well, just looking at the pic above…..I have to wonder why Palmer is trying to get it to Brown on this play. Two defenders between Brown and the ball. Doesn’t seem like a good decision by Palmer. And on first down??? Why?? I mean, we HAD to score, yes. But it would have not been the worst thing in the world to try to eat some more of the clock at that point, either. Why not run on 1st down?

    Doesn’t matter now.

    Also does not seem that Butler is doing a very good job with his punts. Hardly a surprise. I’ve waited long enough to see how this would play out. He is barely an average punter by NFL standards. Will be interesting to see if there is any effort toward considering any other options.

  34. By Garrett on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,

    Any idea why we were so conservative with Ellington in this game despite him proving to be a good matchup for it early on?

  35. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Garrett —

    RE: Ellington

    Do not know. I was surprised.

  36. By Robert on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    only thing worse than seeing the cards play terrible is sitting in a bar with a buch a pathetic steeler fans. reminded me of the super bowel in tampa surrounded by 65,000 steeler fans. To lose like this when they used a third string QB is DISGUSTING and disgraceful. And as far as the Honey Badger whom i was so proud of, he should have shut his mouth after the loss and accepted defeat than posting those BS tweets. CJ3 should have been replaced by ellington since he was not having a good day. The Cardinals should have won that game..sick to my freakin stomach

  37. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Wow, we lose a game and suddenly Palmer, over whom everyone has been drooling for the past few weeks and pointing out that he’s been playing his best football ever, 17-3 or whatever it was in his last starts, etc…. is chopped liver.

    He made an ill-advised pass. It happens. Either he was trying to force it or, more likely, just didn’t see the safety which is what the TV commentators said.

    The guy threw for 400+ yards. The other INT was not his fault at all, unless you count it as his fault for hitting Gresham in the chest.

    Then we have someone above saying he needs to stop being “buddy buddy” with Brown and go to the “reliable” players. Huh? Brown’s not reliable and open? You mean the guy who almost had 200 yards? Again, Palmer thought Brown WAS open — and he had a step on the guy covering him. He just didn’t see the safety coming over. Yeah, Brown fumbled on an earlier play where he got crushed… and “reliable” Fitz fumbled in the Rams’ loss.

    Finally, we have someone above saying we were “outcoached” but then talking about how we had too many drops, fumbles, etc. So what does that have to do with being outcoached? Our game plan looked pretty good to me… we were statistically dominant in the first half; the Steelers had nothing going. Yeah, losing to Landry Jones looks bad, but he didn’t really beat us. The 3 turnovers did.

    This is exactly like the Rams game. We were the better team, but teams that are -3 in turnovers lose more than 93% of the time in the NFL. No matter how good you are, it’s very hard to win those games. The fact that we’ve been very much in these two games — driving for the potential winning score near the end despite the turnovers — should make people realize the sky isn’t falling.

    And finally… as far as being too aggressive sometimes… well, yeah, even I was in the camp of criticizing the team somewhat for not running the ball in the Rams game when we had several chance to get 2 yards. But on the other hand, I remember plays like the 75-yard pass to John Brown with under 2 minutes to go when we were down by a FG and most people were probably thinking, just get into FG position. Instead, that play put us up 4 and meant the Eagles needed a TD rather than just a FG to win. Yes, Arians likes the big play. But if everyone’s going to get excited when it works and talk about “that’s why I love BA,” well, you have to understand that sometimes it doesn’t work, and you’re left with an INT.

    Losing sucks. But Palmer didn’t just turn into Brandon Weeden, Arians is not … well, he’s not Pagano, who’s left to explain one of the strangest plays in NFL history. And the Cardinals didn’t just turn into the Jaguars. Turnovers did them in again. It’s that simple.

  38. By Marlin on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    We got out-coached. Questionable offensive play calling at critical moments. Not enough running. Not enough blitzes on defense. First game their 3rd string QB ever plays and we don’t blitz him….at all? We got out-coached.

  39. By ASM on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I would be interested to know since Michael Floyd has been in the league, how many offensive pass interference calls he has generated and whether someone maintains an obscure comparative statistic for this penalty. It seems like a very frequent occurrence for Floyd. I know he is physical, but is it really necessary for a receiver of his stature to push off? Does he have a reputation amongst officials for pushing off? Seems like an instance of great talent but a bad technique and habit…I am rooting for the guy to continue to get back on track.

  40. By reap37 on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I was a season ticket holder for many years. I am no longer. As much as I love the Cardinals, they will always find a way to break your heart. I went to Tampa to see them lose in the waning seconds of a game they should have won. I just got tired of it and decided not to spend money on a losing cause. I still follow them and now watch on TV only. This year, I started to get that old excitement and found myself wanting to be at the games again. After yesterday’s game, that feeling passed by and the feeling of being crushed took over again. I used to be a Brooklyn Dodger fan when I was a kid and every year it was the same (excluding 1955). I had to listen to all the junk from Yankee fans and feel it wasn’t worth it. Those “Bums” always found a way to lose. Last year, up to the QB fiasco, the Cards found a way to win. Starting to feel they are finding ways to lose now. They haven’t even played the tough part of the schedule so I’m not encouraged. Even with great coaches and great players, it’s always the same. What is it with this team?

  41. By Marlin on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    If you read Bickley this morning, he talks about impatient play calling in game time situations. He is correct. We heard all week about how powerful and deep our running attack is. Yet Arians chooses not to use it in critical situations. And how does a defense not blitz a 3rd string QB who has never played a game in the NFL before this……I still can’t believe Boetcher didn’t send any blitzes! My view of both of these losses is that we deserved them and we have things to clean up for sure. But the things we need to clean up are COACHING and PLAY CALLING! We get no sense that Arians learns or admits anything…thus the play calling errors continue on both sides of the ball. My question for you is….since you are there, inside, knowledgeable, witnessing things we can’t see…..do you think the coaching staff understands this issue and will take steps to correct their own mistakes? Or are we destined to repeat this obvious weakness again and again?

  42. By Darren Urban on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Marlin —

    RE: Playcalling

    I guess we will see. But I don’t see someone in his 60s, who has been calling plays the same way his whole career, changing a whole lot, especially when he’s gotten to where he is doing it his way. Do you?

  43. By Patrick on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    The steeler touchdown in the back of the end zone with a cardinal trying to push him out of bounds looked a little like the super bowl. Also on the 80 yard Td catch, once he caught it for a first down, the Td was the best thing to happen, otherwise the steelers pretty much run the clock out.

  44. By Steve W. on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    That was a rough loss, and the Cards did not play to their potential. The Steelers are tough, but mainly they hurt themselves to come out of there with the loss, just as they did in St. Louis. Penalties and the inability to score in the red zone were the killers.

    But all this negative talk about Palmer? Are you kidding me, folks? Good God what a bunch of fair-weather fans. Have you all forgotten what he’s done in the wins we’ve racked up and yes, even in the two losses? More than 300 yards against St. Louis with 1 INT, and more than 400 in Pittsburgh with 2 INT, though only one of them was on him – the other popped out of the receiver’s hands, if I remember correctly.

    I know I’ll get more than a few thumbs-down for this, but I think that a good number of you are way too quick to throw our QB under the bus for his TWO losses while he’s having a pretty damn good season so far. He’s your savior one week and then needs to be traded the next, according to what I’m seeing here. Pretty pitiful, if you ask me.

    I still think the Cards have something special going this season, and I think we’ve got the right players to do it with. There’s gonna be a few bumps along the way, THAT’S the reality of the NFL. You usually don’t win every game in a season, with the very rare exception excluded. Road games are even harder to win, especially when you get some really crappy calls that go against you.

    Yes, the Cards can do better than their performance yesterday and I think they will. I also think they can beat any team out there when they’re firing on all cylinders, which is what they’re striving for. Better to have some hard losses now and learn from your mistakes than in December when games start to REALLY matter, unless you’ve dug yourself a big hole early in the season – and I think the Cards are on a good path to not fall into that particular trap.

    That’s enough ranting, I suppose. Looking forward to watching the Cards beat up on Baltimore next Monday and get a couple more wins under their belt before facing the Seahawks in Seattle come November. That’ll be a tough one, but I’d love to see the Cards go into December with a 10-2 record after taking down the Seahawks and the Bengals both. I think they can do it, and I’m pretty damned sure the team believes they can do it. GO CARDS!!!!

  45. By jasensaffel on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    We simply do not have a great team…it is clear we can only beat the lower teams……..this was a loss THE CARDINALS Deserved….all those penalties…dropped passes…….letting their running back get so many yards.This was not on palmer…it was on the o -line and defence.But in games that matter….THE CARDINALS LOSE.[FIX IT}….after 6 games..THE CARDINALS should be running on all sylinders.THE RAMS game THE CARDINALS gave away.THE CARDINALS did not give this game aginst pittsburg away……they just played badly.Not a blow out…but had BIG BEN played it would have been.THE QB gets all the crap…but this is not on plamer…..the entire team is at fault on this one.Funny how when things go right everyone LOVES them….when they go wrong…everyone leaves them.It is true you get respect when you earn it.They have 10 games left…..but as I see it…..they will be about 5-5 the rest of the way.No play offs….. they have the ravens…packers….rams again……cincinati….there could be 4 losses right there…….so at best 6-4 in their final 10…..but the fact is…….they lose to tougher teams.They are not elite……they are good.have talent all around them….should be 5–1 instead of 4-2……but if we they can not beat the good teams…then they will only be average at best.SAME OLD CARDINALS….3 states……and only one SB apearence.It is just how it is.I love them..i was behind them for 28 years in ST.LOUIS….and behind them when KURT WARNER helped get them to the only SB apearence…..but that out come was like this one…..A LOSS that they deserve for not playing up to their potential.That QB was not big ben………what happens when its ARRON ROGERS?????…….I will hang in there all season…but there will not be a winning record this year.And CARSON & FITZ will be gone along with ELLINGTON next year.ALL THE OLDER GREATS will be gone.SO SAD….I was hoping last year for a SB in their own back yard…..and this year I was feeling great about their chances…..But I see the writing on the wall.

  46. By jasensaffel on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    THE CARDINALS are like they have allways been…close but no sigar.THE RAMS game should have been won.They should be 5-1 instead of 4-1.But THE CARDINALS for what ever reason have allways fallen when they needed to get up and fight.It is fate.They were in 3 states…..CHICAGO….ST.LOUIS MO….and ARIZONA……they have had great players…..JIM HART…CONRAD DOBLER…..DAN DIERDORF….MELL GREY….OTTIS ANDERSON…….KURT WARNER…..BOLDIN……FITZ……but have only one SB apearence in 3 states and over 100 years.Those stats say it all.I love them…But this pitts game they deserve to lose.If the CARDINALS can not beat the teams they should it is going to be a long season.They are a good team…but not a great team.And like years past…they have some great players mixed in with average players.They get respect and lose it.We jump n as fans…when they have a bad day we jump off as fans.But I think it is simple….they can ot beat the great teams…..they have the RAVENS…BENGALS….and PACKERS…..THE RAMS they lost to again…that is possibly 4 losses already…….SAN FRAN again……seahawks twice……..teams are watching the rams game & now pittsburg to see how to beat the CARDINALS…….I predict 9-7…….it will not be a great year.If they make the playoffs it will be one and done.Not like when KURT took them in 2008 at 9-7.

  47. By jasensaffel on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    4-2 my mistake.

  48. By pat bailey on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Palmer IS tweeking. When teams punch the Cards hard, the Cards crumble. Soft team.

  49. By shannon robinson on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    When John Brown’s helmet comes off the play is dead. He had already fumbled but the ball was on the grass but not recovered yet. “Player safety” means you blow the whistle and the last team to possess the ball gets to keep it.I was surprised that turnover was not reversed, Cards’ ball. Anybody who does like the way BA calls the plays better switch teams. This team is geared to play with the throttle down exactly the way he calls it. Evan every roster position is selected to make his game plan possible. We didn’t execute well enough to win, but there was nothing wrong with the play sequence we were trying to run. Maybe you should put on your seat belt and buckle you chin strap – but I don’t think our rowdy uncle cares what we think. Bruce Arians has waited a long time to see his ideas become reality. I can’t imagine how many times a head coach must have told him “No, we don’t want to do it that way.”

  50. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I do agree with Marlin about the lack of blitzes on Jones. I guess we thought, hey, he’s a 3rd string QB… let’s drop everyone back and pick him off…??? And yet, despite not blitzing, Steeler receivers were in some cases VERY open, and Jones got them the ball. I think Todd Bowles would’ve been sending the house and making him panic and get rid of the ball in 2 seconds.

  51. By shannon robinson on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I apologize for an extra comment, but as a New Mexican I can tell you that Landry Jones is a really talented young man. He grew up in Artesia and was a sensational quarterback through high school and went to Oklahoma and lit it up. When Vick went down and Landry came in I knew this could be trouble.

  52. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    One concern I have — David Johnson running forward to field two kickoffs and catching both of them low and fumbling them forward. We were lucky he managed to scoop both of them up, but we all know that with the funny way footballs bounce, anything can happen.

  53. By Scott H on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Some important lessons learned….

    Losing the TO battle 0-3 is bad. And…

    …for Pete’s sake, when you are playing against a QB that was as bad as Vick was yesterday, do NOT do anything to put him out of the game!

  54. By T-Roy on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    LISTEN PEOPLE. Who of you thought that PITT would be easy. This is the NFL. Everyone here is PROS. Let me see, last year the Cardinals were the best team in the league and no one, I mean no one want to play them up until Carson got hurt. It is the same thing as this year, but CP is NOT hurting. Find someone that cares or plays harder. He boo booed. Last year, we were Next Man Up all year and we still won. PITT, next man up at their house and they won. So I say, Shut Up to all of you that want to lamb baste my team. If you was a TRUE fan, pick them up. You and I both know they read these tweets and crap. So we played basically one bad quarter. 3rd string QB or 4th string, which is where we were last year in the playoffs, and still almost won. Forget about it. If you don’t want to be a CARDS fan, thru and thru, get off the board. Your life must be the same way, that if you lose you quit??? Not me, I believe we are still a 11-5 or even possibly 12-4 team and #2 or #3 seed. Easily have 1 or 2 home games in the playoffs. I believe in our system. Or, maybe you haters can go back to the ASU stadium and take a look around from wince we came. Huh? I don’t hear you speaking badly now. Do I? SUPPORT this very, very good team. Still top 6 and just look at everyone else’s schedule. You may be surprised at actually how much tougher ours may be. STOP IT!!! Be a fan. Go CARDS. I am with you. Darren, we are very good. Maybe not great, but very good. I wouldn’t want to play us in the playoffs. My take on you that want to give up. 4-2. 2 game lead in the division. Not bad start to me. I will take and keep supporting.

  55. By clssylssy on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    As Ron Wolfley said, “We thought we had a great team, but, found out we are just
    another good team.” Palmer is still a better QB than most in the league and there is a chance that if we get it together, we could make the playoffs. We have the talent, just need to remember we haven’t done ***t yet!
    Everybody wants to make excuses and the “sleeping in their own beds” makes me laugh as we aren’t talking about children…this is business and millions of people travel on business for extended periods and are still clear headed enough to close major deals! We are talking extremely well paid professionals here who just got a little full of themselves and took their eye off the prize. We’ll see soon enough if they would rather eat humble pie because the Ravens are a team who loves to serve it!

  56. By Marlin on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Darren,
    Agreed. Just wanted to “get it out there”.

  57. By jaime on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I cant believe all the Palmer haters now, its sickening. Palmer still has the most wins last 20 games, think 16-4 and bunch of other great awesome things he’s doing, Palmer is balling! (Kurt did a lot of bad things too, every QB does), it reminds me of the PP haters. PP shuts down 100 plays looses 1 and he’s horrible give me a break, JEEZ fans come on don’t do your captain like that, don’t do your team like that, take a breath and think! GO BIG Red!!!

  58. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Jaime,

    That’s a great point. Kurt is in the Ring of Honor now, but let’s all remember, his Cardinal teams never won 11 games. He had some games where he looked pretty bad. I still remember one of his biggest games in terms of yards passing was a Jets game where he had 3 INT’s and 3 lost fumbles… there may have been another fumble too that we recovered. In any case, 6 turnovers attributable just to him. We were down by over 30 at halftime… he ended up throwing for almost 500 yards trying to bring us back, but the game was already over.

  59. By Zach on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Honestly, I am disgusted at what happened yesterday. Our lack of pass rushing really concerns me (and has since last season). I don’t understand why Bettecher doesn’t dial up more blitzes like Bowels did to make up for our lack of a premier pass rusher. Yes, we have an above average secondary (even if it didn’t look like it yesterday) but you can’t expect our guys to cover above average receivers like Bryant and Brown for an extended period of time without at some point getting open.
    I’m still furious at the thought of drafting Humphries with our #1 pick when the pass rushing talent of Randy Gregory was still available in BOTH the 1st and 2nd ROUND! Such a shame that our 1st round pick isn’t even contributing to a team that seems to be a few players away from being something special.

  60. By krehbieo14 on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    Zach-
    Randy Gregory had major off-field issues with weed, maturity and decision making. He failed multiple drug tests at Nebraska and did the same at the NFL combine. It’s my understanding that by his own admission and the test results, he was a chronic, heavy user. Should we have taken a chance on another DWash? Gregory was never slated to start as an edge rusher for Dallas. He has yet to take the field for the Cowboys, incurring an injury in September.

  61. By T Stone on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I saw the tweet about the tackle on the coach. Where is the video?

  62. By Vic on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    I’m simultaneously frustrated with the missed/bogus calls by the referees and the blown plays on the part of the Cardinals. On the one hand, the Cards were able to push past the crappy referee calls, but on the other hand, they left points on the field with missed throws and dragged feet.

    The clear point here for the Cards is to learn that you can’t miss opportunities on the road.

    Now for the referee calls that left me pissed:

    1. Personal Foul on Massie. It was pitty pat and the ref saw both players’ actions
    2. The INT off of Gresham occurred due to PI that was not called
    3. The Harrison hit on Brown was to his head, so it should have been a PF
    4. The no call for PI on the Floyd seam to post in the end zone.
    5. The other PI non calls
    6. Waaay too much no calls for holding by the Steelers’ OL

    The up side is that I think that a neutral field would have yielded a win.

    Major concern at this point: twice, Palmer has hurried in late game, high pressure situations.

    While the missed opportunities lie there, it was clear to me in the first half that the Cards were going to have to play a nearly perfect game to win.

  63. By roger on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    It’s funny how people say this and that. The team isn’t a great team, just a good or fair team. Make no mistake, No matter how great a team is, they loss at times and a lot of times it may even be to a lesser threat of a team, but still, that does not define how a team is. As much as I dislike NE, back when they went 16-0 and lost to the Giants in the SB, did that automatically make them a lesser team? Come on. As for getting beat by a third string QB, look back at how many times a team has lost to a back up, or a back up to a back up, QB, in which the game was close, and you’ll find that it happens a lot. Why, teams prepare and have a set plan usually on how their oppenant plays. When you add a new QB who you have no clue on what his strengths and weakness are and like the Steelers, it gave their guys a different pace and they fed off that. Bottom line, reguardless how good a team is or how bad they are, you win some, you loss some. It’s the teams that get back up, dust off the dirt and move on to the next game, that tend to do best. The Cards are one of them and I rather they get these losses now and fix the areas that need to be fixed, then later in the season, where a loss may be the end of the season. True Cards fans, yes it upsets and/or angers us exp. being Pitt., but we stand by own beloved team and could care less on the “Rankings” that “so-called experts” put out there.

    GO Cardinals!!!1

  64. By NJAzCardsFan on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    NO EXCUSE… for letting a 3rd string QB beating this team..NO EXCUSE…..
    .
    The Officiating was too much in the Steeler’s favor. There were some really bogus calls against the Cards.

    My questionable play of the game for CP was, why did’t he throw to Fitz on the pass to Brown when it got picked off in the end zone, Fitz was open??? Had Fitz caught ball the minimum he would have had was a 1st down, the maximum would have been a TD. CP was throwing to Brown too much and the Steeler’s were keying on Smokey late in the game.

    The most was puzzling part of the game was 427 yds passing and only 1 TD… is that a record????

    Ugly, Ugly, Ugly…….. The Cards are capable of much better….

  65. By Kevin S Mesa on Oct 19, 2015 | Reply

    NJAzCardsFan —

    I don’t think a lot of yards but only one TD is that unusual. A team might have a few big plays but get tackled inside the 10 and then run it in… or turn it over and never score.

    Here’s a box score from a game where Matthew Stafford threw for 443 yards and zero TD’s in 2012:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=321222008

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