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Golden’s hit on Vick doesn’t cost

Posted by Darren Urban on October 23, 2015 – 4:43 pm

The play was controversial when it happened, and while a week later it’s fairly anticlimatic (and moot when it comes to the result of the game), Cardinals linebacker Markus Golden was not fined for what was called a helmet-to-helmet hit on Mike Vick in Pittsburgh. There isn’t any explanation that comes with that, but usually, no fine for a play like that means the league office didn’t feel a penalty should have been called. (Plenty of you out there made sure to show me at the time, in still photos off the TV and Vines of video, that Golden’s hit was to Vick’s shoulder.)

In fact, even with all the 15-yard penalties flagged in Cardinals-Steelers, there was only one fine handed out: Cardinals running back Chris Johnson was fined $8,681 for a chop block.

But tackle Bobby Massie and linebacker Kevin Minter were not fined for their unnecessary roughness penalties called after the play (although in both cases, I would have also thrown a flag). Not surprisingly, Steelers linebacker James Harrison was not fined for his crushing, helmet-knocked-off hit of wide receiver John Brown that caused Brown’s fumble. Brown was a runner by then, and Harrison’s hit, while vicious, was clean. Now, Harrison wasn’t fined for his unnecessary roughness call when he drilled Brown just after Carson Palmer’s last interception, it’s possible they decided Harrison should’ve been allowed to “block” Brown since Brown was going to touch safety Mike Mitchell down.

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23 Responses to “Golden’s hit on Vick doesn’t cost”

  1. By Craig on Oct 23, 2015 | Reply

    That was one the worst officiated games I’ve seen. I’m not sure what the officials are seeing, but it isn’t right.

  2. By Havasu Tom on Oct 23, 2015 | Reply

    Hi Darren, Another fun year. Thanks for all you do. What is going on in the Daryl Washington front? Will we ever see him play football anywhere again?

  3. By Darren Urban on Oct 23, 2015 | Reply

    Havasu Tom —

    RE: DWash

    At this point, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  4. By Steve on Oct 23, 2015 | Reply

    Ed Hochuli and his crew are among the worst group of officials that referee games, I hope they don’t work any more Cards games.

  5. By TucsonTim on Oct 23, 2015 | Reply

    It’s time to start reviewing penalties. Did you see the non call on the punt last night to Bush. He got hit after calling fair catch and 2 of the Seattle players drop their heads and put hands on their kness because they knew it was a penalty…not called. Instead a hot headed offical called a penalty against #11 for complaining (and probably using some off color language…oh my..) about not getting a holding call. Pathetic

    The game is too violent and too fast for these old men to call. Put the reviews up stairs…away from the emotion of the field and speed up the game. Allow some challenges of eveything. We want a fair game. The men in stripped shirts shouldn’t didctate the out come of the game. The NFL owes it to us as fans.

    Yes we could have still won the 2 games we lost, but is that really the point. A fumble called forward progress and a mugging in the end zone called an incomplete pass could have easily changed the outcome of both of those games. Let’s get the call right. A real commisioner would be more concerned about that than some deflated footballs.

  6. By Dynosoar on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    Havasu Tom,

    And everyone else…

    I don’t believe we’ll never see D-Wash play NFL football again. Period.

    The writings been on the wall for a long time. Let’s move on.

    (This is getting as ridiculous as asking for Donovan McNabb to play QB for us because he has a house in the Phoenix area. Although, this could become another running joke around here if played right, just like D.M. as our QB because after all, both of them have a house in the area.)

    Please, let’s move on, Darryl Washington has. (I liked his play, we all did. It seems too bad for the team, but perhaps his own life needed to go another direction. I think it’s obvious whether it needed to or not, it has.)

    So please stop asking Darren about Washington (his response has been consistent for half a year or more) and give Darren and Daryl some peace in all this. Thank you.

  7. By Garth Short on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    The hit doesn’t cost?? You can say that it cost us the game, as Landry Jones came in for Mike Vick.

  8. By Darren Urban on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    Garth —

    RE: Cost

    Well, since Vick stayed in the game after the hit, I don’t follow your logic.

  9. By Crow on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    i’m not a fan of the officiating being on the east coast and seeing the cards is excting but the refs won’t let the guys play

  10. By Big Ken on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    Mark Golden is a good football player. Some of us booed his selection.

  11. By Big Ken on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    RE: DWash Would we really want him back at this point? Move forward

  12. By JohnnyBluenose on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    @Dynosoar….you don’t believe we’ll never see Washington play again. So, you do believe we will see him play again. Whatever. I did expect him back by now but, like Darren, I don’t think he will be back. He seems to have chosen another path. It was reported that he had applied to be reinstated but I don’t recall that was ever confirmed by the NFL. All I know is that he was suspended for at least one year. That could mean five years, eight years, who knows how many years as long as it is more than one. I don’t care any more but I really do not understand this code of silence that surrounds this issue. Does anyone ask for an update and, if so, to whom and what has been the response? And Darren, how much money (salary and/or bonuses) has Washington received from the Cardinals since he played his last game?

  13. By jaime on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    the refs in that game were the worse!!! Everytime cards started to move forward a bogus call came and deflated the energy. By the start of the 4th quarter i was so disgusted with the officiating I had a hard time staying positive. It was just so bad!!

  14. By Richard S on Oct 24, 2015 | Reply

    Ravens certainly aren’t as bad as their record. Could be a close game.

  15. By Blackie on Oct 25, 2015 | Reply

    DWash is done. He’s had to fail another drug test. Others around the league came back after a year but DWash likes to get high I guess.

  16. By sbrown on Oct 25, 2015 | Reply

    Hi Darren,
    a question on the Brown fumble…

    When as now Brown is a runner and the helmet comes off, I thought the play was “dead”, at the point of the helmet coming off.
    If so, then the fumble was after the loss of the helmet, and should have been Cardinals ball ??

    Or am I confusing the college rule with the pro rule ?

  17. By Darren Urban on Oct 25, 2015 | Reply

    sbrown —

    RE: Helmet

    Except the ball came out before the helmet came off, so the ball is live. Had Brown held on, the play would’ve been dead (but he was going to be tackled anyway.)

  18. By red2616 on Oct 25, 2015 | Reply

    D. Wash would help in a HUGE way. He is a physical freak and can do crazy things on the field Athletically. People forget the what and the how to why he is what he is in.
    He was suspended for 4 games and then for one year for Substance abuse (pot). A 2 to 3 times positive max. Remember when this happened the Policy was different than now. While suspended the Domestic issue occurred which he plead down to and the DA was more than happy (have friends there, didn’t happen as stories on the net say) to reduce and was shocked he accepted the first plea deal.
    The incident. It was over custody of 5 month old. He came over after fight on phone. He came in, more arguing, she asked to leave (legally Trespassing now), they argued more, she started hitting him (yes she was charged (but he then dropped as part of his plea), He pushed her away and she fell and braced herself for the fall which broke her collar bone. Falling like this and breaking your collar bone is very common even if not pushed. NO, I am not condoning, sticking up for or saying he pushing her in any way was the right thing to do. He should have never come over or left and called his Lawyer.
    The broken bone and the trespass is the key here. No matte how it happened. Felony when you add the trespass yet he didn’t force his way in.

    This is LESS than AP, McDonald and Hardy and all are back. Rice is able to play but won’t till next year, maybe end of this year.

    The Domestic happening during the Suspension allowed the NFL to simply ignore it. He has has applied for reinstatement.

    Now if this all happened starting this year lets say after new rules. He would be playing now. He would have been suspended for 2 games at most (don;t know what his threshold was).
    The Domestic would have been forced to dealt with shortly after it happened since he would not have been suspended at the time (if it all happened same time apart). There would have been a multistep investigation procedure. In the end Suspended for 6 games.

    D Wash would have missed MAX 10 games and would have had immediate help, better help (and maybe the second Pot and Domestic don’t happen?) and more importantly his Ex-Girlfriend and Daughter would have also received help immediately.

    People are blaming Wash when yes his initial actions but Goodall avoided it like the plague because he had botched all three AP, Rice and Hardy’s suspensions. It was easier to simply ignore. Sad because he could have been great. His family could have been happier and better off. None of you know Wash. None of you have taken the time to see the what/why/when and the timing of the rules. The Cards are not going to go against Goodall at all, they can;t even get a fair ref’d game (Rams/Pitt’s 1st half). The Cards are a dismissed team. When 1-3 games up last year and even now 2 games up on Seattle the ‘Pro’s” are picking Seattle. When the Cards play a what I calla big team (the Steelers, Pats, Seahawks, even 49ers now) the refs step a little short on the Cards measuring for 1st down. They assume a little more for the big teams. The blow the whistle on CJ for forward progress while they let Lynch keep running AND allow his lineman to push him forward which is illegal. The Cards where Re’d out of the Rams win because the Rams were hitting late, out of bounds, leading with helmets, etc and Cards got gun shy. The Refs (just the 1st half) pushed the Steelers ahead with those personal fouls. If that was a late hit, helmet to helmet, or anything other than perfect against Vick in the 1st half while he was in the end zone than they need to re define ALL the rules. Funny how a Ref called a late hit out of Bounds against Rams but yet another ref ran over and talked him out of it? REALLY. The reasoning (from an insider) The Rams player landed inside the field. His feet after the hit where inside the field. Yes, they were, i agree. BUT the Ram had launched himself AFTER Brown had stepped out of bound and he was two feet in the white. The Ram hit him so hard that the momentum pushed the Ram back into the playing field. Not sure how that cancels hitting him late or out of bounds but that was the reasoning? Cards can’t beat their opponent, the refs, the AZ people that live here but happen to root for the opposing team if they are having a winning season.

    BA, M. Bidwill, Kiem all Class. Palmer, Fitzy, Peterson and down all class. This is a good organization. Not dirty playing like Rams/Seattle. Don’t try to win by finding loopholes like the Pats. They are simply a Class organization. BA would NEVER jump on the teams bench in another teams stadium with 2 minutes left to waive at the fans (Pete Carroll). Cards did drop a TD against the Rams and if caught, a win. They did miss FG’s against Steelers and would ahem won. So this should be a 6-0 team yet they are still being picked to finish second or THIRD in the NFC West. That shows why Washington’s situation is still just a void, why the Refs sucked so bad Rams/Steelers and why the Powers that be so want to Rank the Seahawks in the top 10. It PAINS them to rank them lower they don’t know what to do. To Say the Seahawks are back because they beat the 49ers is like saying I should be a a MMA wrestler because I can pin my 5 year old Daughter at wrestling! LOL Not sure how that win = Seattle being back in 1st place. The Seahawks won NFC West last year because of Cardinal injury. Period. They defaulted to 1st. The year before Cards were the best team in the NFL going into the playoffs but 10 wins and would have been 11 if the Saints had lost to the Bucs before Cards/49er game had ended. I feel if levi brown had been cut in pre-season that would have =’d 2-3 more wins. 1-2 of the 1st 4 and the last 49er game and Seattle would not have a ring right now. And not even a Thank you note from Pete Carroll. LOL

    We have it this year unless we just give it away or let the refs take it. We can beat any team right now. Stay healthy and win.

    I’m done. Sorry for the Novel. No game today for Cards so other stuff to discuss.

    NFL Marijuana discipline: The punishment for a positive test is also changing. As is the case now, a first-time offense lands the player in the substance abuse program without a suspension. The primary difference is the punishment for a second positive test: simply a two-game fine. Each additional violation receives the following progressive discipline: four-game fine, four-game suspension, 10-game suspension. A player can therefore test positive for marijuana three times without getting suspended.

    NFL Domestic Violence: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441758/article/nfl-owners-endorse-new-personal-conduct-policy To long to cut/paste.

    Victory is there. Take it, it’s yours!

  19. By red2616 on Oct 25, 2015 | Reply

    What happened to the TouchDown Song at the Home games? They have played the same song for YEARS!!!!!! Now nothing??? WHY. The Announcer is junk. Not enthusiastic at all??? WHY? Long Bomb to Brown and the Announcer sounds like we got a 1st down and then right into some kind of Advertising. IT SUCKS!!!! WHY. I go to other games. like Al McCoy for the Suns they all are big voices, get the crowd going and are awesome. If you close your eyes I swear you don’t know if you are in AZ or the opponents stadium from the announcer.

    in 2009 when Cards went to the SB I was at the Redskins/Cards game in D.C. The Cards lost the game on a INT that bounced off the helmet of a player for an INT. But during the game the Crds where winning and beating the Redskins handily until one play. The play was a simple TE crossing route to Chris Cooley for a 1st. When Cooley caught the ball late 3rd Qtr the Announcer yelled COOOOLLLLEEEEYYYY FIRST DOOWWWNNNNN. The fans went nuts and it literally turned the game around. Redskins scored and then the defense got the INT and they won. I have NEVER, NEVER ONCE heard our announcer do ANYTHING remotely close. Is he afraid he might offend the opposing team or fans? It feels like it. I challenge him to WAKE UP. Bring it. ACT LIKE A FAN!!!! CARE! And BRING BACK THE DA-DADA-DA-DADA-DA-DADA-DA after a TD!!

  20. By Marcelof on Oct 26, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –

    I may have lost the explanation throught your posts but the play Floyd didn’t catch the ball for a TD in the edge of the endzone, wasnt’t his jersey (or whatever it was) pulled by the defender, slowing him down?

    Wouldn’t it characterize a penalty?

  21. By Darren Urban on Oct 26, 2015 | Reply

    Marcelof —

    RE: Floyd

    Yes, that was a penalty that should’ve been called.

  22. By sbrown on Oct 26, 2015 | Reply

    Darren –
    sorry, never saw the reply on TV of the ball out before the helmet off. But I did search and did find a still picture. Yes ball was out, so fumble was the right call (ugh…)

  23. By clssylssy on Oct 26, 2015 | Reply

    red2616…
    Very good response regarding the curious case of Daryl Washington and the code of silence surrounding it. Least we not forget that Domestic Violence is Mrs. BA’s cause so perhaps it is the organization’s support of her and not wanting to appear hypocritical that is at the heart of the silence and inactivity to bring D Wash back.
    It seems strange to me that while the NFL and the NFLPA are supporting Ray Rice’s return to the league and Greg Hardy is starting for the Cowboys after he was allowed to skate on his much publicized domestic abuse case (far more egregious than Ray Rice as it involved assault rifles, death threats and the actual abuse) there is not even a peep about Daryl Washington whose crime(s) involved a little pot (in the off season) and a she said/he said in which he was actually assaulted with a flower pot but who manned up and took responsibility for his actions, completed counseling such that the court reduced the charges to misdemeanors. While any assault is terrible and I understand there are confidentiality issues outlined in the CBA, it would seem that fans deserve a straight answer. When you consider that other players and coaches suspended for a year for Bounty Gate (hits for hire) have all been back doing their jobs now and the long list of players/exfelons who have committed far worse missteps (vehicular homicide, etc.), not to mention the Colt’s owner, Jim Irsay, etc., etc.
    Our defense DOES need Washington, the players wanted him back, and at one point BA said that he would support his coming back because of the players…perhaps just being PC with his players?
    Yes, smoking pot is against the law( for now)
    but alcohol still remains the most abused substance there is, responsible for all kinds of damage and tragedy…and…domestic abuse! But, look at all the drunks we have at the game each week with the stadium “pushing” the drug at $10/pop!
    If we don’t want him, we need to let him go. He will most surely get picked up but then our only problem will be playing against him.

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