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Keim: Looking at QBs Murray, Dysert

Posted by Darren Urban on September 6, 2016 – 8:01 am

The Cardinals are still looking for a young quarterback. So it made sense, said GM Steve Keim Tuesday, that the Cardinals pick up a couple of quarterbacks for the practice squad. The signings of Aaron Murray and Zac Dysert were officially announced Tuesday morning and Keim talked about bringing both in while on the “Doug and Wolf” show on Arizona Sports 98.7. He said Murray and Dysert were the two highest-rated quarterbacks out there that were practice-squad eligible. It’ll be about taking a look at both over the next few weeks and see what they have.

“You can never tell, particularly at that position, until you spend time with them,” Keim said.

Keim added that the practice squad, like the bottom of the 53-man roster, will continue to be churned in an effort to find players who can help.

— As for Matt Barkley, Keim said “I’m not going to say the opportunity wasn’t there” for Barkley to return to the Cardinals practice squad. Barkley instead signed to be on the Bears’ practice squad. “He probably saw the opportunity in Chicago as a better fit, and we wish him well,” Keim said.

— Why keep nine defensive lineman? If there isn’t a great trade opportunity, Keim said, you don’t want to give away good players even if there are many at one position. Plus, he added, defensive line is one of those spots where injuries do crop up. Last but not least, Keim mentioned having young players under contract for the future (and it should be kept in mind that both Calais Campbell and Frostee Rucker are unrestricted free agents after the season., so if they left, the Cards still have a nice group of D-linemen.)

— Keim said there were talks about trading a defensive lineman but the offers the Cards got were not in the Cards’ “best interest.”


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31 Responses to “Keim: Looking at QBs Murray, Dysert”

  1. By Mark on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    I know this had nothing to do with the post but can you please address possibly having a training camp or preseason gamed down here in Tucson. We love the Cardinals here and get no attention!

  2. By Darren Urban on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Mark —

    RE: Tucson

    I can’t really address it — above my pay grade. But I will mention to the people who do make such decisions.

  3. By Marlin on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Darren,

    Maybe I missed it… but did the Cards announce the results of K Mart’s MRI…..2 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 weeks?

    Also, is Okafor going to play with a shoulder brace for the biceps tear like Minter did a couple years ago?

    Thanks,

    Marlin

  4. By Darren Urban on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Marlin —

    RE: Martin

    You haven’t missed anything. Arians talks today. And I don’t know about the brace.

  5. By TLT fka DTL on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Amazing wordsmithing by Keim on how Barkley departure went down. Not criticizing, real Q is if Keim is that good extemporaneously or if he prepared that arftful dodge. And he didn’t qualify this comment to exclude Barkley, except by inference of the listener as to the meaning of “out there” : “the two highest-rated quarterbacks out there that were practice-squad eligible”. Thought I was parsing a Clinton when he got done. Wow is he good. Lol!

    #BeyondWilliamStephanBelichick
    #SBLI

  6. By briesop on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    I know this has nothing to do with this post but do you know if they are looking at any other corners? That seems to be our big weak spot and if Peterson goes down we are really hurting. What do you think about trying to trade Ellington for a good corner? He is healthy now and still has some trade value but more than likely won’t make it long before another injury. If we can get a corner for him why not? We have tons of depth at the running back position. Any thoughts?

  7. By Darren Urban on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    briesop —

    RE: CB

    They are always looking, especially at a position that could use shoring up.

  8. By Big Ken on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Read into it all you want. I don’t see Matt Barkley ever starting for any NFL team.

  9. By Scott H on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Big Ken –

    RE: Barkley

    Gotta say, I agree. I mean, we saw how bad Lindley was and I honestly don’t know if Barkley is even as good as Lindley. I don’t know what people are seeing or NOT seeing. He just doesn’t look like an NFL QB. And that is OK. Not every guy who plays in college is going to make it in the NFL. Heck, we’ve seen our share of those, haven’t we??

  10. By TLT fka DTL on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Only commenting on Keim’s adept needle threading. I trust the Troika of BAKeimBid way more than any misguided feeble judgment I might offer, on who is a player, so bye bye Barkley. Would only note Barkley got better under BA and seemed like a good guy, wish him luck in fatherhood. Ready to see if they find diamond in rough at QB

  11. By Rafael on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Zac Dysert, He can be the No 2….

  12. By Marcelof on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    I don’t see either of these guys with a starting role anytime soon, not here not anywhere else.

    In my opinion the lone soon-to-be-a-starter backup QB is AJ Mccarron, although he’s kind of unreachable (at least for Cardinals). Goff will probably be a bust and so will Lynch. I remember having read an article weeks before the draft stating there were no QBs who would be worth a 1st round selection, which got me really surprised the moves made by both Rams and Eagles. After a glimpse of their playing habilities I may acknoledge the report had nailed it.

    What are the Qb-needy teams for 2017?
    49ers… Chargers… Jets… Browns (they are always needing a QB)
    These will all select ahead of Cardinals. Hope SK and co. can find that pearl out of the draft to guide this powerful offense after Carson Palmer is done. There’s a Russel Wilson out there….

  13. By CardinalChris on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Not saying Barkley/Murray/or Dysert are Kurt Warner, but keep in mind, some QB’s take some time to develop, Kurt Warner’s career prior to St. Louis days:
    Green Bay Packers (1994)
    Iowa Barnstormers (1995–1997)
    Amsterdam Admirals (1998)

    5 years of garbage time, then HELLO! Greatest show on Turf!!

    Go Cards!!

  14. By CardinalChris on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Maybe Barkley wanted PP’s elf outfit and PP wouldn’t give it up… Just saying…could be a bit of some pouting going on.

  15. By Dr. G. on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Well, the revolving QB door continues. What young man without a job would turn down $6,900- per week for a PS spot? A good deal for not doing much.

    Critical positions on Offense ~ ~ LT (for right handed QBs), WRs, TEs for teams not named The Cardinals, and RBs for the ground game.

    Now, historically, the QB position is the only one that can cost the HC his job..!

    Why then, is there not more emphasis on QB search and development? Despite the CBA rules, ((I know the restrictions)) the time could be made to C-Y-A without winging it on lower picks every year…or none at all.

    Dealing up in the draft could be a start…never a guarantee, but the odds are much better… Since 2013, there are a number of good starting QBs drafted we passed on for other much less valuable picks…later

  16. By Dr. B on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Keim needs to get on the phone and pick up CB Cortland Finnegan who was just released by the Saints. He ain’t what he used to be a couple of years ago but would be a great “insurance” CB to have around!!!

  17. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    If I recall correctly, Barkley was expected to be a top-10 pick in the draft after his junior year, but decided to stay at USC.

    I know he got hurt in the UCLA game, but was it just the injury that caused his stock to drop, or did he play poorly as a senior too?

  18. By Darren Urban on Sep 6, 2016 | Reply

    Kevin S —

    RE: Barkley

    He was not as good as a senior. Partly because of the injury.

  19. By Daniel Medina on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    Barkley & Penny, both looked like the future of Cardinals. Really seems like very bad choices to drop them. Really bad!

  20. By Eric G on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    Neither of these guys will do anything. Hope that the Cards draft a QB in first round next year. Also, looking at Paxton Lynch so far, glad they didn’t get him, he was inaccurate.

  21. By clssylssy on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    The Saints have released their 2015 3rd round pick, Garrett Grayson, who has never play a regular season game but could be a possibility and worth a look-see.
    I kinda liked this kid and he hasn’t been as tainted by making the rounds, but has been learning behind Brees, which could be a very good upside.

  22. By Joe C. on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    I think you can name on one hand the decent QB’s taken in the draft the last five years which, given where the Cardinals have drafted, really affirms their wisdom in evaluating QB’s. Leaving the 2016 draft out, who would anyone have picked, who was available, over the last five years? Bridgewater? Hurt. Carr? Was he available? Just curious.

  23. By Eazy E on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    Sorry to break everybody’s heart, but Aaron Murray and Zac Dysert ain’t the answers! They we’re the best available ‘practice squad’ QBs! We’re just going to have to strike gold either in free agency, trade, or the draft because it really is difficult finding that guy!

  24. By clssylssy on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    Whoever we get, will have to be developed and I get the impression that the Cards don’t have the energy and patience to put a lot of work into anyone but would rather get someone with some miles that they can retread like they have done with Warner and Palmer. The reality is that colleges aren’t turning out what they use to b/c of more hurry up offenses and growing differences in the college game with the NFL. Kids are coming out younger with less maturity with the expectations of becoming overnight rock stars, and the CBA has effectively tied the hands of NFL teams by limiting the time they can practice or even have contact with the coaches. BA has repeatedly refers to David Johnson as “extremely mature”, as if that is a rarity in players these days but would be a major quality needed in a franchise QB.

  25. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    Joe C,

    Ask and you shall receive; You said who could the Cards have drafted over the last 5 years. Here is a legit look back.

    2011 – The cards held the 5th overall pick.The Falcons wanted to trade up and the cards could have fallen to the back half of round one. Instead, they picked PP with the overall 5th pick. With the 26th pick, they could have taken Dalton. The Patriots were willing to trade the first pick of round 2, but the cards did not trade up. Seems the reason was a trade for Kevin Kolb was in the works (worst trade ever)
    Ryan Mallett was available in round 3.
    In round 6 , the Bills starter, Tyrod Taylor was chosen.

    2012 – The Rams wanted to trade out of the 6th pick. The cards could have easily moved up to take Ryan Tannehill.
    Russel Wilson was taken 5 picks before the cards picked in round 3 . The chargers moved up two picks before Seattle so trading up was possible.
    Staying put in round 3, they could have taken Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles.
    Oh , in round 6, we could have taken Ryan Lindley. Oh wait, we did that.

    2013 – We traded for Palmer, so that makes it a little different.
    Also,Didn’t have much to choose from. In round 2, we passed on Geno Smith and traded down. Mike Glennon was there in round 3, although the Honey Badger was such a better pick.. In round 4, you had a choice of backups in Ryan Nassib and Landry Jones.

    2014 – The cards, even with trading down in round 1, passed on Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr. In round 2, we choose Troy Niclas over Jimmy Garopoplo, In round 4, we chose Logan Thomas over Tom Savage. Thomas was a bust, Savage is the backup in Houston. Another tough one was in the 5th round , when we passed on AJ McCarron

    Got to wonder how far the cards go if they chose a QB in 2014. With Palmer and Stanton down, we relied on Lindley instead of Bridgewater, Carr, Garoppolo, or McCarron.

    2015 – In round 3, Sean Mannion has looked good, but really, Mannion over David Johnson? In round 7, Broncos starter Trevor Siemion was there.

    In reality, 2012 was a year after the disaster trade for Kolb and a QB was a must. Not trading up for Tannehill, or taking Wilson, Foles or Cousins helped to show the door to Graves and Whiz.
    In 2014, we could have found a LB later in the draft and if a first round pick was spent on Carr or Bridgewater, who knows what would have happened. But the biggest mistake was taking Logan Thomas and not taking AJ McCarron. McCarron, in his 3 starts is 66% comp ratio and 6 TDs to 2 picks.

    Well, there you go Joe.

  26. By Joe C. on Sep 7, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG, yeah I looked before I posted that. Really you’ve got Carr and Bridgewater. When you factor they thought they had somebody in Leinert and then Kolb its hard to justify picking a QB back then. I’m leaving Warner out of it. They did draft Skelton and Lindley. Once BA and Keim took over they got Palmer so they didn’t have a pressing need. Of all the ones you named I’d say Dalton was a miss for the Cards. But that assumes giving up PP for him. And Kolb was in the works. Tannehill is still a question to me but maybe. Especially considering you’d have to trade up. Wilson was a big miss for everyone. Looking at your list you could count on one hand the QB’s you could call a miss and other than Wilson you’d have to trade up. Most of those guys are run of the mill. Having Palmer (and Stanton) the draft picks are better spent on other positions. All in all I’d say they haven’t done bad evaluating QB talent. Really what’s the difference between Tannehill, Cousins, Glennon, McCarron and Kolb? And Taylor, Foles, Smith etc? Kolb had as much promise or more than these guys and they could all end up not much better.

  27. By Jacob Hewitt on Sep 8, 2016 | Reply

    Darren-
    Is the Arizona Cardinals Color Rush uniforms going to be yellow
    I have read some thing and I don’t know if it’s true
    So can u tell me if its true of false it would be kinda cool if they had
    A new uniform

  28. By Darren Urban on Sep 8, 2016 | Reply

    Jacob —

    RE: Yellow

    No.

  29. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 8, 2016 | Reply

    Joe C,

    Oh there is a world of difference between Kolb vs Tannehill, Cousins,Taylor and McCarron.

    Tannehill in the last 2 years has put up 8200 yards and 51 TDs
    Cousins threw for 4200 yards and 29 TDs in 2015
    McCarron comp 66% of his passes for over 800 yards and 6 TDs in 3 games, not to mention, if not for the meltdown and fumble, wins a playoff game.
    Tyrod Taylor – completed 64% of his passes and threw 20 TDs and had a QB rating of 99.4. Not to mention his 568 yrds rushing and 4 TDs.

    Kolb – played 6 years and managed to throw 28 TDs to his 25 ints over 34 games. He averaged 153 yards passing per game in those 34 games. That is less than 13TDs 12 ints and around 2400 yards a 16 game season. Ugly.

    Kolb belongs in the Glennon, Geno Smith, Foles group.

    Back to the subject, The two years I think they made a mistake was 2012 and 2014.

    I say 2012 was a mistake because you just had a disaster in 2011 with Kolb. To expect him to be good in 2012 was insane. With a Trade up for Tannehill would have marked that we are trying to move in the right direction.When looking at the 2012 cardinal draft, they took Floyd in round one and then missed with the rest (except Bethel in round 6)

    Why 2014? there were rumors Palmer would retire if the cards won the superbowl in 2014. We would have been left with Stanton. It made sense to take one. Keim even thought so as he choose Logan Thomas. But if they landed Carr, Bridgewater or even McCarron, they would have had their QB of the future. In hindsight, the injuries to Palmer and Stanton wouldn’t have been so bad if Carr came in instead of Lindley. In 2015, letting Stanton go and freeing up money would have been possible.

    In 2013, they traded for Palmer and if Palmer is playing another 2-3 years, it turned out that Carr or Bridgewater would have sat too long. Also, if Tannehill was drafted, Whiz might have stayed and we never end up with BA. In the long run, it worked out.

    McCarron is a different story. I think if I could change one pick it would be AJ McCarron for Logan Thomas in round 4 of 2014. That was a legit mistake. McCarron might have won that playoff game in Carolina in 2014. He would have allowed the team to let Stanton walk and maybe use that money towards a real CB. Yes, McCarron was the mistake even if he never becomes a franchise QB.

  30. By Joe C. on Sep 8, 2016 | Reply

    I agree with everything you said. I didn’t express it well but I was trying to say, prior to obtaining Kolb, he showed every bit of promise as those QB’s I mentioned. He certainly didn’t turn out that way. Carr and Bridgewater were misses. McCarron might be. And like you said if Palmer plays much longer those guys would either have moved on or Palmer would have been pushed out early. But we’re counting on one hand the misses, right? Its pretty scary how few really decent quarterbacks are coming out of college. Short of getting an Andrew Luck getting someone with the skillset of a Alex Smith looks pretty good.

  31. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 9, 2016 | Reply

    Joe C,

    I get what you are saying but I would say more than a hand full.

    Oh, I forgot in 2012, Brock Osweiler was in the second round, and Blaine Gabbert in 2011.

    There are 10 starting QBs in the NFL over the last 5 years (9 in you count Garapallo) that we could have drafted legit. There is only 32 teams, so a third of the starting QBs we could have drafted the last 5 years. (not counting 2016)

    If you add in Garappalo and AJ McCarron, guys who will start someday, you are at 12 of 32.

    Also, to show drafting a QB is not such a crap shoot that some on this board make it out to be, from 2011 – 2015

    – in the first 4 rounds, there were 34 QBs selected (after round 4, all positions are more risky)

    – In those 5 drafts, 16 QBs are starting this weekend.

    Interesting that in 2012, the year I thought we must draft a QB, 6 of the 8 QBs in the first 4 rounds are starting week one. With Brandon Weedon and Nick Foles, two guys who have started, as the exceptions.

    In the next year, 2013, none of the 7 QBs taken in the first 4 rounds are starting.

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