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Keim: Dealing with “sky-is-falling” Monday

Posted by Darren Urban on September 12, 2016 – 8:19 am

Steve Keim was blunt.

“It’s ‘The-sky-is-falling’ Monday and we have to use that as a chip on our shoulder to make sure it doesn’t happen again,” the Cardinals General Manager said during his appearance on “Doug and Wolf” on Arizona Sports 98.7.

The sentiment summed up Sunday night’s loss to New England. Keim didn’t see a whole lot that everyone else didn’t, but had the reaction that many fans are feeling. Asked if there was such a thing as a good loss, Keim didn’t hesitate. “Not when you are playing a backup quarterback missing some playmakers, and it’s a home game.” It was not the way the Cardinals or Keim planned on starting the season, and you could hear it in his voice.

“You wake up Monday morning angry, disappointed, embarrassed and that’s the way we all should feel,” Keim said.

— On special teams, Keim said they were “very disappointing, in every area.” It was a rough night. In addition to the missed field goal, the Cards could not make the kickoff returns work and Drew Butler didn’t punt well.

— Keim said the defensive play, especially on third downs, was “very frustrating.” He wasn’t particularly surprised it was hard to pressure Jimmy Garoppolo because of three-step drops, but “the cushion that we played with, the isolations that they got with some of their inside slot receivers on safeties and the lack of leverage, the inability to tackle in space, those were all extremely disappointing.”

— Two of the three sacks Carson Palmer absorbed were coverage sacks, Keim said, and overall, Keim thought the offensive line play was OK. Too many times Palmer and his receivers weren’t on the same page, and in the first half specifically the offense wasn’t in sync.

— “More than anything, we did not tackle well” on defense, Keim said.

— Safety Tyrann Mathieu needs to knock the rust off. Keim said he doesn’t think Mathieu’s knee is an issue. As for cornerback Brandon Williams, “there were some mistakes he made that were very, very critical to the game.” Keim likened Williams’ play to an offensive lineman who holds up the vast majority of plays but gives up a couple of key sacks.

— So the Cardinals, for so many a favorite to make the Super Bowl, are 0-1. “The thing is, I don’t place hype on our team,” Keim said. “My job is to try and produce the best roster that I can and I know we have a talented bunch. At the same time, if they don’t play to their level, we’re going to have disappointment. That’s what happened (Sunday). We have to regroup.”


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71 Responses to “Keim: Dealing with “sky-is-falling” Monday”

  1. By Kevin on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Butler MUST have a shoebox full of nekkid pictures of someone.

  2. By Marlin on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Darren,

    Much like in politics……..every time a fan brings up an area of concern, the comments are exaggerated to “sky is falling” so as to mitigate the value of the comments. I haven’t heard anyone say the sky is falling. But there are areas of concern that need to be cleaned up (that fans have mentioned):

    Special teams has been a problem for 3 years now. And how can amyone defend going all thru camp and preseason and still not having a player who can return punts other than PP? (Arians said he didn’t want PP to do it….the fans never said that. Please don’t point to JJ Nelson, he is 150 pounds and drops or gets hurt practically every time he touches the ball).

    3 step drops ???!!! Are we to believe that Boetcher didn’t expect that and didn’t have a plan for it? Or are we being told that the players don’t know how to defend it? We have more players returning from last year than any team in the NFL. Still don’t know the plays?

    It was an unnecessary loss… and its disappointing. But what fries my head is the reaction to fans comments…… as if we are to be stifled or something. This team hasn’t played well in its first regular season game; didn’t play well all pre-season,; didn’t play well in the playoffs last year; didn’t play well to end the regular season last year. The sky is certainly not falling…. but if the narrative is that its just one game and no big deal…….. that’s a whitewash if I’ve ever heard one.

    Go Cardinals…..will be there next week with my Red On !!!!!!!!!!!

  3. By jackedupboonie on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    The Sky has been falling since you got whacked upside the head by Seattle 36-6 week 17. Team hasn’t been the same since.

  4. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Let’s be fair- BA and SK have put Cardinals football on the NFL map for more than 3 years. They have done a great job. The SB season was a one time occurrence.
    But SK’s “sky is falling” comment is unfair to Cardinals’ fans.
    There are no “chips on shoulders” that are going to make Williams be a better cb right now – he is lost. The use of Ellington on KRs is another miscalculation- as is the overuse of fragile “speedsters” in JJ and Smokey.
    Another great leader Tony LaRussa was a stubborn guy who stuck with his guys. In 2006, TLR kept bringing in Izzy and he was bad. But Izzzy got hurt and he HAD to use Wainright as a reliever- the rest is history.
    Hope BASK are not going to be stubborn about all the criticism and make some changes-VOLUNTARILY.

  5. By Dynosoar on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Good loss, IF the team now realizes this is not pre-season AND realizes they’re not invulnerable and can lose.

    It’s also the first game and this squad has not played an entire game against an opponent this season, so a little learning curve is expected.

    There was one bright spot (well, one bright spot other than Larry of course), the refs pretty much stayed away from bad game changing calls. It was nice to see the teams decide the game and not the refs. (Unlike Clemson and Troy Saturday.)

    I enjoyed the game, it was satisfying. I would’ve enjoyed it more if we’d won, but if this team draws a line and says “never again will we lose.”, then it’s a better game.

    Trust. Loyalty. Respect.

  6. By Dynosoar on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Needless to say, I know…

    Larry has MAD BALL SKILLS!

    And #31 is not far behind.

  7. By sportsblogger16 on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    I don’t think the sky is falling but as I said yesterday, the cardinals beat themselves. The patriots didn’t win that game. Offensively the cards did good enough to win and after rewatching the game, the defensive unit was the major issue on third downs. All of that being said, the cardinals still made all those mistakes and STILL should have won? I consider that a positive notion. I know it sucks to lose (or see your favorite team lose) but there aren’t any teams that I would say are going to play mindgames as much as the patriots just did with the cardinals defense. The sky isn’t falling, but getting knocked down sure is a wake up call. I think we see a more determined team for the rest of the season.

  8. By TucsonTim on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Keim –

    The sky started falling Jan 3 and totally caved in on us in North Carolina. Do we need another reason to have a chip?

  9. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Here are the brutal facts from last night.

    Here is the normal Patriot offense and who we played.
    QB – Tom Brady – out – Jimmy Garapalo makes first start
    RB – Dion Lewis – injured – Legarette Blount in
    TE – No Gronk – best TE maybe ever.
    LT – Nate Soldier – injured – Cameron Flemming -8th NFL start (started 2015 on practice squad)
    LG – Ted Karras (first NFL start) drafted in the 6th round
    C – David Andrews – 12th NFL start in second year. Undrafted Free Agent
    RG – Jonathan Cooper injured – Joe Thuney – first NFL start
    RT – Sebation Vollmer – Injured – Marcus Cannon – 20 starts in 6 years.

    With this make shift offense line, Campbell had 2 tackles, Gunter had zero, Rucker had 1 tackle and 1 force fumble. The two sacks came from the OLBs.
    The patriots out rushed the cards 106 to 92. That is frankly unacceptable.

    The patriots were 10 of 16 on 3rd down. including 6 of 8 in the second half.

    The cards were up 21-20 in 4th quarter and Pats had ball on own 25. The final drive had the patriots covert 3 third downs.
    The Patriots converted a 3rd and 15
    The Patriots convert a 3rd and 3
    The Patriots converts a 3rd and 11.

    The patriots two TD drive were 74 yards and 75 yards. They converted 3 third and longs.

    The cards kept going to zone because they have the worst starting CB in the league out there. The normal, high octane defense of pressure with PP and Cro shutting guys down outside was a shell of itself. This was my concern all preseason. I don’t know how this gets fixed with Williams out there. Even Darren is hinting there needs to be a change.

    No, the sky is not falling, but does anyone think THIS team can beat Carolina, Green Bay or Denver? They couldn’t beat the Patriots with out both starting tackles, Gronk, Lewis and Brady, do we think we could beat them at full strength?

  10. By DC on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    I’m a huge Cards fan in DC. & it’s pretty much a hangover from getting blasted by Seattle (end of 2015) as someone else stated. Good teams don’t get obliterated like that & the 2015 NFC Championship was very telling. AZ doesn’t have 1 real LB with any type of playmaking ability & all teams have to do is avoid going Pat Petes direction. To their real fans we are a NO SB contender. Championships are won in the trenches not on the outside.
    8-8 9-7 at best

  11. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    As we are drilling down on yesterdays game:
    The most misleading stat is that David Johnson had 89 yards rushing. Yes, DJ did have 89 yards. But DJ did it mostly on his own. There were no holes and no open spaces. DJ was a one man wrecking crew who might have been able to do even more if given the opportunity.
    An ordinary back would have been lucky to get 25 yards.

  12. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Darren,

    I got a serious question. Some will blow this off, Some will say,I am panicing about one game, but I actually thought about this before the season started.

    I grew up in San Diego. I watched Dan Fouts lead the Chargers on a great run. He was throwing to Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson, Wes Chandler and Kellen Winslow. They had Chuck Muncie at RB who was amazing and could catch the ball out of the backfield (in 1981 had 19 TDs and 1100 yds rushing plus 362 receiving) . On defense, they had pro bowlers. Guys who created turnovers.

    But as good as they were, they kept losing in the playoffs till Fouts got old and injured and then became a below .500 team again.

    A high powered offense, a good back who could run and catch and a defense that got turnovers and a coach who was going to do it his way. So close, yet stumbled in the AFC Championship game and Fouts was labeled “cant win the big one”.
    Sound like anybody?

    Are we the 2013-2016 version of Air Coryell?

  13. By chad on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    You need to trade that POS kicker. You have just screwed your season in the first game. Kicker is useless. NOT being able to beat a back-up quarterback at HOME is a very telling sign for the disaster of a season that is coming. A “Superbowl” match-up? lol Cardinals should be embarrassed.

  14. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    @JTDG. Your post is what I have been talking about for years. Not with San Diego but the Cardinals themselves. Thru the years, the Cards have been an Offense first teams since 1960. The Cardinals have had very few defensive players make the pro bowl in the last 60 years especially on the front seven-the best possibly being Eric Swann and Ken Harvey-who?
    Yes, the Chargers , Cardinals and throw in the Dolphins have been mostly Offense and little Defense teams except for a blip season here and there.

  15. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    One other thing,

    Finding a CB at this point is going to be tough. Hoping a rookie will figure it out, a guy with a hurt foot to get healthy or a guy who was cut from KC to step up is just that, Hope. Not a real plan.

    I have said this before and will say it again. I like Jaron Brown. I think this offense goes throw David Johnson and if Palmer keeps hitting his TEs and makes Fitz his #1 target, we will be fine scoring points.

    So, where does that leave the 2017 Free Agent, Michael Floyd? Yes, he is good. But needed? He had a 39 yd catch and 2 others short passes and dropped a TD. Not earth shattering. With so many weapons, dangle him out there as trade bait for a CB. Without one, we have no shot beating the big boys.

    I know, Fitz may retire. But there is always a draft pick or FA next year. Worry about next year when it comes.

  16. By dkerry5242 on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    The Cards were out coached and out played by a Patriots team that were missing many of their top players. Our defense doesn’t look better than last year, maybe worse. Does anybody really think Brandon Williams is the answer at cornerback? How many more games will he cost us, just because he isn’t good enough. In watching the game from my seat in the Ring Of Honor, time and time again our cover guys played 5 to 7 yards off the receivers. No bump and run, no tight coverage. Garoppolo time and time again got the ball out quickly to wide open receivers. Time and time again the Pats ran a three wide set and we only had two guys matched up ( 5-7 yards off) and the third was a safety over ten yards back. What kind of coverage is that? Our punting continues to look pitiful. Butler is horrible. There has to be someone in this whole world that is better. Our rookie long snapper choked and Catanzaro looked out of sync. Maybe with this loss the team and the media will get a reality check and stop drinking the KoolAid.

  17. By TLT fka DTL on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Read all the comments, listened to the videos and interviews. You guys are all right.

    This is biggest point to me: ” but “the cushion that we played with, the isolations that they got with some of their inside slot receivers on safeties and the lack of leverage, the inability to tackle in space, those were all extremely disappointing.”

    Seems we are built to defend speed, strength and power…those are most teams strengths, if any.

    Belichick, as Chandler warned, took advantage of our weakness, at CB and S…defending horizontally vs vertically. We got beat by gadget guys in space. The 3 step drop neutralizes most pass rushes, we got caught short handed at CB and S. Time after time they ran misdirection and just sideways and beat us with Amendola, Edelman, James White and Chris Hogan and a 3 step drop. Who? Little guys mostly who out executed us and exploited our weaknesses. Our Ss built to cover TEs and hit. Tyrann not quite ready, Brandon Williams not ready, Bethel not ready, etc. Marquis inactive. really?

    Chalk this up to being out executed in so many phases, but the crux is our D was exploited by BB. Better coaching. Wouldn’t be surprised to if we go 10-6, or 15-1…but everybody should’ve seen this as a trap game with the hype, the Pats undermanned and BB a mastermind having 6 weeks to prepare for us.

    Better be ready for bucs, 0-2 possible

  18. By Robert on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    i have been a constant commentator on this board for a few years. I have always felt and said that we are not physical at the LB spots. Buchanen and Mintor were overmatched and run over and new england had the type of running back..full back and huge TE to cominate us. Did you see Bennnet maul our 20 million dollar guy chandler jones? They called a penalty on him which was bogus by the wayHoney badger played like it was his foirst game with no spring practive, he will be fine but williams..wow… wit till tampa with those reeivers get a chance to throw at him. As another peron said, the cards have not rebounded since week 17 ..by the way..where was our TIGHT ENDS??? NIKLUS and Fells?? we got out coached, out hit and out played..Couldn’t sleet all night

  19. By Robert on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    AND BUTLER STINKS and out inability to cover kicks or block on returns blows me away

  20. By bigdaddyhop on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    To much talk in the off season about how good this team is. Showed in preseason how they would play. This is what happens when your super stars don’t show up to play football!!! I’ll start with Patrick Peterson dammit hit somebody. Take a chapter out of the Honey Badger’s Book!!! He backed away from every opportunity even in the end zone. 3rd down the defense couldn’t get off the field. What was it 3rd and 15, they run the ball and make it. Are you kidding me? The worst display of tackling I ever seen from this team.

    Carson Palmer was so off sink with his receiver throwing how many passes behind them. Had our receivers playing DB all night. We need a mobile QB and not just one who sits in the pocket. Should have picked up RGIII or Kapernick.

    Special teams just out right sucked. A carry over from preseason. Tired of hearing “Well look at the film, learn from it, and get it fixed”. Who’s the heck is the special teams coach? Needs to be replaced!!! Kick off returns sucked all night. Put somebody back there who wants to run the damn ball. Getting tired of watching the returner stop before they get tackled. Peterson fare catching when he has room to run. When’s the last time we made it back to the 20??? Kick off teams let the opponents return to the 30 and beyond. Believe me other teams will take notice and expose you.

    BA why didn’t you go for it on 4th and a half yard? You say this team has all the talent. Talent should be able to pick up 18 inches.

    Stand by for Tampa Bay because your Power Rankings are middle of the pack.

    Game balls to:
    Fitz, Honey Badger, David Johnson

  21. By TucsonTim on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    BTW – I thought the whole reason Taylor is on the 53 is his special team skills???

    BA – when you use up all of your time outs with 4 minutes and get the ball back with 3:38, you actually have time to run the ball. And #31 is a beast. And great runners get better as the defense gets tired.

    BA – fade route. Fitz, almost always works; Floyd, sometimes works; Brown, never works. How many times???

    SK – When you say, “My job is to try and produce the best roster that I can…” Does that apply to special teams?

  22. By Darren Urban on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Tucson —

    RE: Taylor

    Taylor has a knee injury.

  23. By Eric G on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Is Keenan Lewis healthy? Someone please call Cortez Allen, Brandon Browner, Josh Gordy or Josh Wilson.

    For the love of god, anyone but Brandon Williams.

  24. By dkerry5242 on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    John Brown seems not to be right or other teams have figured him out. Jaron Brown needs to replace him as a go to receiver in a three receiver set. He’s bigger and catches almost everything thrown his way.

  25. By Marcelof on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    John The Draft Guy

    Floyd for a CB

    I couldn’t agree more. He’s not what we got as a face of a franchise or not even close to that. the Kid is awesome, but the hole Cards got at the CB is way deeper. that’d be worthless scoring 20-30 points a game and being outscored.

    I can see a playmaker in Ja. Brown, not a Michael Floyd’s but a reliable one, the one who’d make this trade football profitable.

  26. By David Cheney on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    I’m not going to go into all the details about this game. Enough of that has been done already and it’s much too early to start bad mouthing certain players, etc. Obviously it was a disappointing loss, particularly to a Patriots team that I truly can’t stand, as well as the fact they were missing key people. It’s a long season and I’m sure the next game will be better. Go Cards!

  27. By texascard on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Sky is falling Monday is offensive. These are great fans that have intelligent expectations. They should not be talked down to by anybody in this organization.
    Jtdg. You were 100 percent right about williams. I apologize for not listening and instead falling for the spin
    I love 31. Can’t wait to see more. I hope that’s not too chicken little for sk. Sk get over yourself

  28. By TheLoyalTen on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Dont forget this:

    “It’s a loud stadium, on the road, a good team,” Patriots coach Bill Belichick said. “A Super Bowl-caliber team, at least that’s what they’re talking about.”

    Cheap shot? Nope, he beat us with subs. But definitely in our face…

  29. By SeeingRed on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Didn’t really watch the game and didn’t want to. Been-of course I recorded it but this just felt coming since start of camp-maybe before With all the hype…forgetting we had a very forget end of season…yes, some good pickups on paper but lots of key guys gone too. Badger being forced back and expected to be where he was? really? This team has had a ton of bug a boos over the years and one they have yet to shake is the inability to take advantage of back up QBs. its a point where I kinda cringe if we are playing a back up. I don’t know if the guys go to sleep but we have been made fools of time and time again (Testaverde with Carolina only a week o less). I said on this blog during camp that preseason was canary in the coal mine and should not be ignored. All the signs were there…bad special teams, sluggish offense, defense that cant cover or tackle…it was avery uninspiring preseason and yet hype was still there. I was concerned that the sense of urgency wasn’t there from Arians…kept saying we know what we got…so you knew you had what showed up and you were ok with that? Come on man…whole organization and fan base need to get a reality check real soon. You have to prove it every single year and Im so tired about hearing about last year-I’m blaming some of the Cards media people in this btw

    PS
    Bettcher not = Ray Horton or todd bowles

  30. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    As we look forward to next week:
    Cards could not be playing against a more different QB- going from Garoppolo to Winston. Any attempt to shore up the underneath stuff will result in plays over the top -where I think this defense is most vulnerable.
    Again as in previous years, the Cards DL and LBs seem to be running into one another impeding their penetration. And when the DL and LBs get over-aggressive here comes a play to counter the aggression as the Pats did. Like it or not, this is not a heady defensive team.

  31. By dan on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    When does Calais Campbell every step up when we need it??????? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can’t wait till TREE MAN is GONE. Come to think of it, tree man is a perfect name for him, never leaves the line of scrimmage.

  32. By dan on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    John Brown is a dud…….soft and can’t catch.

  33. By mitchaz on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    One has to wonder how mad Keim is at himself for leaving the roster and coaching staff so vulnerable in some key spots:

    1. CB—Keim must have had confidence that Justin Bethel would be the starter—drafting a 1 year CB in Round 3 and taking a flier on Mike Jenkins hasn’t worked out in all three cases, but all three were shaky choices to begin with.

    2. LS—whenever a GM goes with a rookie at such a key, but unheralded spot, it’s a significant risk. Hopefully, Canaday will learn quickly from experience.

    3. STs—as GM Keim should have insisted that BA make a coaching change following three subpar years on STs. if there are standards of excellence—then Keim isn’t holding his STs coach to them. The Cardinals still don’t have a kickoff and/or punt returner who has the combination of skill and courage to handle the job with confidence. And the Cardinals’ punt and cover teams, despite Keim boasting of the depth of talent on the roster, remain a glaring liability.

    4. DC—what qualifications did young James Bettcher have to warrant an NFL DC appointment? A mere 3 years of NFL coaching experience (only 2 as a position coach)—who has never coordinated a defense on any level? It isn’t Bettcher’s fault he is way over his head and scrambling to learn on the job—it’s BA’s and SK’s for actually believing he can match wits with the top OCs in the NFL.

    5. #3DE—think the Cardinals could have used Dwight Freeney at times last night? Why he wasn’t signed to a paltry $2M with sack incentives contract is beyond comprehension.

    To be fair—Keim deserves a ton of credit for building the roster—and (with Mike Disner) for crafting fair market value contracts (some of which are bargains)—

    But—this off-season Keim failed to deal with the elephant in the room, which was Calais Campbell’s $15.4M cap figure—and thus to accommodate Campbell’s prohibitive figure, Keim has left the roster very vulnerable….which is odd for the GM of an organization that is telling the world it is “All or Nothing.”

  34. By Jeremy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    BA, the O and D coordinators were totally out coached. No answer for the three step drop? Jones was on the ground a lot and not in the air blocking the passing lanes. D backfield is to small, no real Mike. What good are fast receivers if you can’t get the ball to him, the offense was not sharp in training camp and it showed last nite.

  35. By Scott H on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Wait….Butler didn’t punt well? I’m sorry? I hate to seem out of line here, but I think someone better let the front office know Butler ain’t been punting well since he’s been here. He is not even an average NFL punter. And the fans have been pointing that out for what is now going on a 3rd season now. It CANNOT be that hard to find a punter that would give us more than he does. So…..why hasn’t it happened yet? Why does the churning of the roster never seem to include the punter? Other teams that have punters that are a WEAPON, like we had with Zastudil. We have a LIABILITY.

    I agree with Kevin and have been saying the same thing all along – Butler has pictures of somebody. And I loved the use of the term “nekkid.” 🙂

    I love the comments being made here today. No, the sky is not falling. But there are valid concerns and many of them were on display last night, contributing to a loss to a team that should NOT have been able to come in here and beat us. I am ESPECIALLY glad to hear a number of people pointing out that this team started sputtering at the end of last year – we are NOT just reacting to meaningless pre-season games. Last night, we looked more like THAT team than the one we saw for most of last year. Last night, we played our 4th consecutive game that could only be described as shaky, AT BEST.

    And we are 1-3 in those games. If the Cardinals are who we think they are….then they need to get back to playing like it. Because right now, they just aren’t. They had some games last year ( San Fran, Cleveland ) that were real clunkers but they came right back from those games and righted the ship the next time they took the field. Um…..we are way over-due for the bounce back right now.

    Did anyone else feel like they would have liked to have seen a little more fire from BA last night??? I mean…..I love the guy but a little more intensity would have been nice. He just seemed….aloof. Way too stoic for me during a game like that. I really hope he is OK health-wise.

    All for now.

  36. By Richard S on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    It looked to me like the Patriots intentionally kicked the ball short of the goal line as they knew the Cards couldn’t get back to the 25 yard line. The Patriots didn’t seem to have that trouble. My other thought for the day: I don’t think this is the first time an unknown QB came off the bench to beat the Cards. I think it happened last year or the year before. You can’t take any NFLer for granted and assume you’re better than them just because you’re a starter. If the returner has the option to down it in the end zone or run it out. Down it and take the ball at the 25 yard line. That’s a lot better than the 8 yard line.

  37. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Scott H,

    BA;

    Seemed stunned to me. Almost disbelief at times. An offensive line with two rookie guards, and Undrafted center, and two backup tackles were winning the battle in the trenches. I had the same look of disbelief.

    As for the 1-3, I heard Aaron Rodgers saying if they would have gone for two instead of going to overtime, they would have won that game. So, even the win was a very tight one.

    Butler’s 34 yard average is being blamed on a nagging injury. It must have been nagging him for 3 years.

  38. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Alright folks, which is the bigger problem;

    Defense- Just heard BA say, in order to “Protect” Williams and Honey Badger, we went to a lot more zone. That was something I eluded to in an earlier post. Garapalo goes 72% and 10 of 16 on 3rd downs. and with a makeshift offensive line with 40 starts combined between the five starters Horrible

    – Special Teams – They were bad in every facet. KO returns were terrible. The snap and kick of the field goal, the gunners half-$ssing it, or the decisions to kick it out of the end zone. Punter averaging 34 yards per punt. It all was very bad.

  39. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Can anyone tell me anything Nkemdichi did? No stats.

    Oh he played and looked like he was on roller skates. Doubt he played a lot. Maybe 10 plays at most. Maybe not that many. I noticed him in on a series.

    Before everyone defends him, the Pats had a 3rd round rookie and a 6th round rookie starting at both guard spots. Those rookies dominated the first round rookie.

    Good thing we didn’t draft a CB in round one like I suggested. Not like we would have needed a CB or anything.

  40. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Georgiebird;

    No stars??? Challenge Accepted.

    Forget before 1988, I am only counting Arizona Cardinals, and they had to make the probowl. So here is my all time defensive unit. I’m going with a 3-4 defense. I changed some guys around to give us the best team.. Let me know if you disagree and don’t think they are stars.

    NT – Eric Swann – He played DT , but I moved him to NT. He had 46.5 sacks
    DE – Calais Campbell – 48.5 sacks and 36 passed batted down
    DE – Darnell Dockett – 40.5 sacks, 4 picks 15 batted balls
    OLB – Ken Harvey – With 89 sacks , his best years was at OLB in 3-4 with skins
    OLB – Simeon Rice – 122 sacks, 3 of his 5 years with cards , he had double digit sacks. Would have been ideal as a 3-4 OLB
    ILB – EJ Junior – 36.5 sacks and 12 interceptions (what DWash was suppose to be). This could have been Seth Joyner but he only played 3 years here.
    ILB – Karlos Dansby- 1200 tackles, 41 sacks, 19 picks and 69 pass defensed. He could do it all
    CB – Aeneas Williams – HOF player with 55 picks. Got his ring with the rams.
    CB – Patrick Peterson – shut down CB with 17 picks and 57 pass defensed. Will join Aeneas in the HOF someday imo.
    S – Tim McDonald – the man who coined the phrase, “show me the money”, after leaving az, had 40 picks and 9.5 sacks
    S- Adrian Wilson – 25.5 sacks, 27 ints and 14 forced fumbles

    Got to say Georgie, that, sir, would be an awesome defense. But to your point, most got away because of cheap Mr B. It also wasn’t easy to do.

  41. By Scott H on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG –

    RE : BA

    Yeah, I think you got it – stunned. But that ain’t making me feel any better right now! I hope he ripped a few you-know-whats in the locker room after the game. And I hope he works them like dogs this week. SOMETHING needs to kick this team in the ass right now. REAL hard. And I hope it ain’t gonna be the Buccs.

    Where is coach Herb Brooks when you need him??? May he rest in peace.

  42. By NJAzCardsFan on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Quote- JTDG Can anyone tell me anything Nkemdichi did? No stats.

    I have to agree as I rarely saw him in there if at all. If he was playing he was just taking up space….

    This loss may have been a blessing in disguise, as what is broken may start to get fixed ASAP…. If the Cards had won, certain issues may not have been a priority to be addressed….

    It will be interesting to see who/what position SK brings in on Tuesday…
    Make take- CB’s, Punter’s and place kickers. A few veterans have been cut recently. This team was built to win now…

  43. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    @ JTDG
    You threw a lot of names at me. But here’s my reply. You probably won’t like the answers but I saw all these guys play. I go back before L.Wilson and Wehrli but here we go.
    Swann- definitely the best Cards defensive player of all time- Required the double team at all times. Healthy for only 1.5 years. Can’t make him great.
    Calais.- average- nice guy plays every game but nothing special.
    Dockett- along with Boldin the toughest of Cardinals players. Great SB. Got hurt when the Cards went 3-4. Very good player not close to great but had little help..
    Harvey- excellent LB with ‘skins- not with Cards.
    Rice- great outside move- undersized. He played when in the NFC East. The tackles on Giants, Sins, Dallas, Eagles used to push him so wide you could drive a truck thru the hole. Played better with Tampa where he played with other very good DLs.
    Junior. Cards drafted EJ- Giants took LT and Tampa took Hugh Green. Green a converted college DE never learned LB and was a token pick for the Cards i-never played a meaningful game.
    Dansby- a pretty good player but he was at his best in the latter part of his career. As a young 6’4″ LB from Auburn, he was average in his first tour with Cards. Better as a centerfielder than a guy wrecking havoc in the backfield.
    Aeneas was a good player but never played a meaningful game with the Cards. Hard to judge his effectiveness but his time with Rams got him in the HOF.
    P.P. a lot of mixed results the first few years. But he now is one of the best cover corners. But still a terrible tackler who won’t stick his nose into the play.
    Tim McDonald- when considering he spent a few real good years with the Cards before SF, this safety is definitely the best player in the group you gave me as a Cardinal.
    Wilson. a top hitter at SS but a bad cover safety. AW has those impressive stats in Sacks and interceptions that always look good. Those stats may get him into the HOF but his cover skills bordered on Poor.
    Best Cardinals’ defender that nobody heard of- Pat Fischer.

  44. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    @Scott H
    So after the chewing out- how does the team get better.
    1) does Cambell start getting sacks
    2) does Minter up his game
    3) does HB round into form
    4) does PP stick his nose into a running play
    etc, etc, etc

  45. By ChristianR on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    I just don’t understand the infatuation with Williams. There are things that he gets away with that even high school players would be benched for. Just look at the Hogan TD. Little effort on the jam, no “hand in the pocket” going down the sideline, and he got caught looking at the QB too soon. I think we will be fine when Bethel gets back to full speed. If they don’t rush him back like they always do with Mathieu

  46. By texascard on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Jtdg
    Yeah nkimdiche did have one stat. He jumped offsides and got penalized. Another first round disappointment.

  47. By GARY HICKERSON on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Lets get real about this loss fellow cardinals fans!!the patriots have always been a system team!!how many times have you seen them insert some no name into their line up and still win!!,the media was talking up this game as a sure win for the CARDINALS!!” life lesson nothing is a sure thing” if you want the win ,you have to take it!!THE CARDINALS NEED TO STOP LISTENING TO ALL THEN HYPE A START PLAYING FOOTBALL LIKE WE ALL KNOW YOUR CAPABLE OF,AND PLAY WITH THE SWAGGER THAT GOT YOU TO 13-3,THE SUPERBOWL IS THERE YOU WANT IT ? THEN TAKE IT!! “GO CARDINALS”!!! LOYAL CARDINALS FAN SINCE 1973,DON CORREAL,JIM HART,PAT TILLY DAYS!!…JUST A NOTE WHAT EVER HAPEND TO TACKLING SOMEONE.

  48. By rod on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    They’ll get this fixed.

    Williams will figure it out.

    And Jaron Brown needs to be on the field as much as the other guys, to me he’s a mixture of Floyd and Fitz.

  49. By creditcard on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    How to move the ball effortlessly on the Cardinal defense, 101:

    1. Rush directly right at Chandler Jones.
    2. Large runniing back rushing up the middle at interior linebackers
    3. Toss a few screen passes
    4. Run a couple of misdirection plays
    5. Quick release passes precisely where the blitzing player was located
    6. Throw away from P Peterson’s area.
    7. Have a semi mobile quarterback

    How to have terrible special team play 101:

    Review any Cardinal special team play from the mid point of last year to the present.

    How to stop the Cardinal offense 101

    1. Physical play on John Brown and JJ Nelson at line of scrimmage
    2. Pressure up the middle in passing game
    3. Don’t worry about defending a screen pass
    4. Don’t worry or even spend valuable practice time over misdirection plays
    5. Draw plays do not exist for the Cardinals — so no need to practice against them
    6. Don’t blitz
    7. Play deep zoned safeties, have them play downhill
    8. Never call a defensive time out, the Cardinals will do it for you.

  50. By Chris Griffin on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Shaun Prater was the answer at cornerback. What a horrific performance by that secondary especially the corners

  51. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Darren
    Tell BASK to stop looking for body beautiful to play CB. Try instead looking for a guy who is smart, quick and has a nose for the football. In the 60’s, the Cards had a guy named Pat Fischer who at 5’9″ 175 covered the other team’s best receiver. Before you dismiss him as a slow guy who could never play today- just realize some of those receivers were named Charley Taylor and Paul Warfield; the great of the greats.
    A trivia question- Name 3 ex-Cardinals in the Washington Redskins Ring of Fame- Dave Butz, Pat Fischer, Ken Harvey

  52. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    @JTDG
    In my reply to your “great” Cardinals’ defenders. I meant that EJ Junior never learned the LB position not Hugh Green-who was a very good LB.

  53. By John The Draft Guy on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Georgiebird,

    Got to answer back.

    Aeneas in no meaningful games? In 1998, he shut down Michael Irvin in the playoffs and picked Aikman twice.

    Rice trouble in NFL east? He set the rookie record at the time with 12.5 sacks. He had 10 sacks in the playoff run in 1998 and then followed it up with 16.5. What more does he have to do?

    Peterson is a pro bowler every year. The guy is the closest thing to a shut down CB in the NFL. Is he perfect? I think too many people think he should be.

    Harvey had 47.5 sacks in 6 years with the cards. He had 9.5, 9, and 10 in three years. The guy was good with the cards.

    ADub is going in the ring of honor and HOF and he is just OK? Man you have some tough standards.

    I think sometimes, guys in the 90’s and early 2000’s played on such bad teams, you don’t realize how good they were.

    As for Pat Fischer, Wilson and Wehrli, They didn’t play in arizona so I didn’t follow them. Only became a card fan when they moved here.

  54. By TucsonTim on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Well, at least we’re not the Rams

  55. By Big Ken on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Jeff Fisher gets fired before the Rams bye-week.

  56. By Dr. G. on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    I was told that Hillary was coaching last night..! Any truth there?

    As for Butler, don’t we remember when his dad Kevin was our kicker? There was a tie there, I think, but it escapes me…

    That’s it for me…bitchin’ just raises our bp. I’m off to the next game…later, Cards Fans. At least, we have the best fans now..

  57. By georgiebird on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    @JTDG
    1) Agree with you on the Aeneas game against Dallas – as soon as I sent the post I thought of that game- good catch
    2) Rice-I was surprised by the sacks. Rice was eaten alive by the NFC East OTs, Teams waited for his big outside move and pushed him all over. Let’s say Pass defense B+ and Rush defense F; and that’s what those NFC East teams did best.
    3) PP excellent pass defender after his medical problems. Not impressed with his run defense. Deserving Pro Bowler every year???
    4) Harvey- very surprised by his sacks and time spent with Cards. Harvey is in the Redskins Ring of Fame -is he in Cards? But I agree with you- he was pretty good with the Cards.
    5) Adub- I just can’t agree with you. Good QBs would destroy him in the passing game. Should have been a $LB and Oh the stupid penalties.
    For 28 years in AZ- not exactly a Who’s Who of defensive players

  58. By dan on Sep 12, 2016 | Reply

    Jaron Brown needs A LOT more playing time. Throw Smoke in the smoker.

  59. By Jon Elder on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    What in the world is happening with this Drew Butler situation? 15 net yards on a fair catch punt = time to bring someone else in? Its been seasons of this garbage now. Seriously, why has this guy not been replaced yet?

  60. By Jacob on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    Looks like the Cardinals’ winning culture is permeating the fan base. We EXPECT TO WIN and we get pissed when we don’t!

  61. By Scott H on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    georgiebird –

    RE: So after the chewing out, how does the team get better?

    OK, so….he shouldn’t say anything??? Really? And how does the team get better from THAT?

    Look, it doesn’t have to come from the coach. It could come from one or some of the players during a players-only meeting. Those meetings have been known to work in regard to getting a team focused. And in most work places, it tends to shake people up when the boss let’s people know he / she ain’t happy.

    But seriously, we should just shrug our shoulders and say don’t worry about it, we’ll get the next one? I certainly hope there is more of a reaction than that.

    My point was this team seems to need something to kick them in the ass right now. Do you disagree with that? And that can be done in different ways, it doesn’t just have to come in the form of being verbally chewed out. But it’s the coaches job to know when a team needs that and then to know how to best go about doing it. And I am confident that BA will do what he feels he needs to do.

  62. By clssylssy on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    Big Ken…
    Naw, I think Jeff Fisher has his own set of Nekkid pictures and so does Greg Williams. How else can you explain their job security?
    I’m probably the only one who was cheering for the 9ers but never expected them to win…and, not only pull an upset but the only blowout in week 1!

  63. By Big Ken on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    Don’t forget Aaron Donald doin the pinch like Mister Spock. Typical Greg Williams defense.

  64. By georgiebird on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    Based on your rationale – if you kick a guy in the bottom, he will become a great player. Not necessarily true. Let’s say you kick Minter in the bu**- does that make him an All-Pro. Can’t get water from a rock- no matter what you do!

  65. By dobie on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    first they played bad both side I not give up yet but does any body think that maybe they got out coached on both side and special teams are not doing good ether if you suck at it take the knee and start on the 25 yard line but I will be there win or lose yelling my ass off I am root for the home team fan

  66. By JR on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    For Pete’s sake, stop talking about the Super Bowl. Take the games one at a time and let’s see where it takes us. With all due respect to Andre Ellimgton, he dives for the ground as soon as anyone gets near him. I wish we had kept Kerwyn Williams. The guy seems to make positive yards every time he touches the ball and he is not afraid of anyone.

  67. By Kevin S Mesa on Sep 13, 2016 | Reply

    The good news is that Cardinals fans are now upset with every loss. Whereas before, we accepted losses.

    As much as I agree that Sunday night sucked, it happens. Think of our first two losses last year. First loss was a 24-22 home loss to the Rams after we’d won our first 3 games by a combined 77 points. We started out slow on offense, with nothing but FG’s until late in the 4th quarter, and we let Gurley run all over us in the 2nd half. Then there was the Pittsburgh debacle where we let Landry Jones (a 3rd string QB) tear our secondary apart for a half. Hmmm… sound familiar — a backup QB (in that case, a 3rd stringer) beats our Cards? Jones hadn’t even appeared in a regular season game prior to that point.

    So imagine if either that Rams game or Steelers game had been the first on the schedule last year, coming on the heels of the 11-5 year where we were all so disappointed at how it ended with Lindley. We’d all have been going nuts in our criticism of the team, just like we are now. Instead, the first loss didn’t happen until we were already 3-0 and everyone knew the Cards were good, so it didn’t sting as much.

    I think that’s really all Keim meant about the sky not falling.

  68. By clssylssy on Sep 14, 2016 | Reply

    It seems fans are waking up to the fact that our DC is in over his head and needs some advisory help. JB is no Ray Horton or Todd Bowles nor should he be expected to be, as he hasn’t the credentials and experience nor does he have the benefit of veteran players like Dwight Freeney, Cory Redding, Rashard Johnson, in the trenches to mentor and assist young players learn at the player-to-player level. Our front office made the decision to “go younger” and what we have is a cluster mess…undisciplined, unfocused, and unskilled in technique. We have raw, undeveloped talent but it’s not going to get us to the SB this year w/o education and training.
    Basic management 101: you don’t get rid of key personnel like a Corner, until you have a qualified replacement trained and ready to assume the position with some competence; throwing Brandon Williams into the fire at this level is bad management. Sean Payton just found a fourth corner to shore up his team’s defense, they are out there…Come’n Man, Do Your Job!
    Our Special Teams have been bad for years now; the guys are good guys but this is a business, again undeveloped, young players w/o the necessary teachers/leaders.
    A week to right the ship? I’ll be happy with that. Fans are wanting some accountability and active solutions.

  69. By georgiebird on Sep 14, 2016 | Reply

    @classy
    don’t blame the DC. The defense is not loaded with talent. Horton & Bowles blitzed on every play and got exposed on many occasions.
    Minter- never improved
    Okafor- never improved
    Campbell- never got to DD’s level
    And the Cards are playing defense with 10 guys.
    And if you love Bowles that much you may see him back here real soon. NY is getting tired of Bowles-TB is too thin skinned for NY. He may return to AZ to be BA’s heir apparent.
    And is Horton still with Cleve? wonder why he didn’t get the Jets’ job?

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