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Notes and thoughts after Floyd

Posted by Darren Urban on December 15, 2016 – 10:13 am

The Cardinals moved on from Michael Floyd quickly after his arrest for suspicion of DUI, and maybe that shouldn’t have been a surprise. The team’s president is, after all, the chairman of the NFL’s conduct committee, and Michael Bidwill has strong feelings on off-field conduct. The circumstances had morphed for Floyd from the beginning of the season, when it was likely the free-agent-to-be was looking for a long-term contract that was probably going to be too rich for the Cards’ budget, to now, when he struggled every step of the way and had undercut his own open market — even before Sunday night’s/Monday morning’s incident.

But that part is over now. As for some of the details of the aftermath:

— This is the kind of thing that shakes up a team. “Obviously, this whole year has been kind of rough,” safety Tyrann Mathieu said. “And then seeing stuff like that happen, I think we’re all shocked and kind of in disbelief. We’ve got three games left to play so we’ve got to stay focused.”

— Yes, had the Cardinals carried Floyd through the end of the season and let him leave as a free agent, he likely would have figured in the equation for comp draft picks in 2018. But it isn’t a one-for-one thing. A team’s entire free-agent haul is compared (through a super secret formula based on the new contract and production) to what free agents were lost, and then the picks are distributed. With Floyd’s play this season, it was highly likely he was going to sign a relatively cheap, one-year contract anyway for 2017, in an attempt to rehab his value on the market and then try again in 2018.

Would he have been a comp pick factor? Probably. But it’ll be hard to tell how much.

— If Floyd is picked up on waivers, which we will know soon, he’s due $1.2 million. If not, he’ll be available as a free agent. UPDATE: The Patriots claimed Floyd off waivers.

— Carson Palmer was asked directly if he thought Floyd — who also had a DUI in college — had a problem. Palmer, who had already noted Floyd was a friend, quickly said no. He does face a possible suspension of a couple of games next season from the league.

— Where to now for the receiving corps these last three games? Coach Bruce Arians said Smokey Brown can “hopefully” get more snaps this week. J.J. Nelson has played better, but he still has to show he can do it consistently. Brittan Golden, you’re going to get some time. And this, more than any other reason, is why David Johnson may be a 1,000×2 guy after all.

— This was probable even if Floyd wasn’t released, because like I said I didn’t expect his return, but the Cardinals will have to look seriously at drafting a bigger receiver now. Floyd won’t be around and Larry Fitzgerald’s status has reached year-to-year.

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28 Responses to “Notes and thoughts after Floyd”

  1. By Ottis Anderson Fan on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    We might have a shot at

    “Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

    At 6-foot-3, Williams profiles as a legitimate No. 1 weapon at the next level. He shows an excellent ability to create late separation when the ball is in the air, scoring 10 touchdowns this season. Coming off a scary neck injury to open the 2015 campaign, Williams has done it all for the Tigers in his return to the field.”

    – Todd McShay

  2. By dkerry5242 on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    There are a lot of Big Time receivers in College and Mike Williams is def. one of them. I still think the club was too quick to pull the trigger on Floyd. Watch he’ll get picked up and be a big time contributor for his next team.

  3. By D on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Most 1st Round Draft picks at WR are not game changers in their first year of playing. I wonder if AZ’s brain trust will be skittish on taking another 1st Round WR. Maybe AZ will need a Combo of both the draft and Free agency do to Smokey’s health and the recovery of Ja Brown.

    Draft
    10 Mike Williams WR 1 Clemson rJr 6-3 225 Round 1
    16 John Ross WR 2 Washington rJr 5-11 190 Round 1
    19 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR 3 Southern California Jr 6-2 220 Round1
    23 Corey Davis WR 4 Western Michigan Sr 6-3 213 Round 1

    Top WR’s this Free agent season today, some will be resigned or franchised by current teams..

    Size/age and Cost…. maybe a Justin Hunter, Kenny Britt, A. Benn

    2017 scheduled free agents

    Alshon Jeffery WR 26 CHI
    Vincent Jackson WR 33 TB
    Pierre Garcon WR 30 WA
    DeSean Jackson WR 30 WAS
    Kenny Britt WR 28 LA
    Steve Smith WR 37 BAL –
    Anquan Boldin WR 36 DET
    Kamar Aiken WR 27 BAL
    Brandon LaFell WR 30 CIN
    Ted Ginn Jr. WR 31 CAR –
    Kendall Wright WR 27 TEN
    Andre Holmes WR 28 OAK
    Cordarrelle Patterson WR 25 MIN
    Brian Quick WR 27 LA
    Percy Harvin WR 28 BUF
    Russell Shepard WR 26 –
    Terrelle Pryor WR 27 CLE
    Justin Hunter WR 25 BUF
    Robert Woods WR 24 BUF
    Eric Weems WR 31 ATL
    Cecil Shorts WR 28 TB
    Jordan Norwood WR 30 DEN
    Jeremy Kerley WR 28 SF
    Deonte Thompson WR 27 CHI
    Rod Streater WR 28 SF
    Brandon Tate WR 29 BUF
    Bryan Walters WR 29 JAC
    Marc Mariani WR 29 TEN
    Andre Roberts WR 28 DET
    Arrelious Benn WR 28 JAC
    Kenny Stills WR 24 MIA

  4. By joe holst on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Thanks for clarifying the comp pick, also I really wish Tyrann Mathieu would just shut it down for the season. I have seen this several times and there is no reason for him to go out there and re-injure his shoulder or knee, it makes zero sense to have him play anymore this year,

  5. By Nel on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Sad ending. ..Floyd we ( Arizona faithful ) wish to THANK YOU for all the amazing catches, wowing us and carrying us on your back at times. Your an amazing athlete who will have success in your future…And we all pray you to overcome the “things” you need to overcome young man. Your a proven winner and all of Arizona faithful will truly miss you BIG 15, your beautiful smile and and your great skills. All the best to you in your future Michael, we look forward to seeing you raise that SB trophy soon!

    As for Cards management, you did what you had to do. Was it the right thing to do? Lets look at this.. looking at status of our receiver corps, probably not. With Fitz’s retirement very imminent, Palmer nearing the end of his career, a decimated o-line, new punter, and most likely a new fg kicker, we are staring a rebuilding process in the face.. Mr Bidwell some agree with you, and alot do not..A sad ending FOR ALL Cards fans.. : (

  6. By LadyBird04 on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Three things for Mike Floyd to ponder: 1. Business Decision; 2. Poor Play; 3. Personal Responsibility.

    I don’t feel sorry for him but also don’t condemn him. He needs to get help to understand at least WHY he was sitting unconscious at a stop light at 2 something in the morning. He has all the talent in the world and reportedly is a “good guy” – hopefully he can build on those assets and thrive going forward. This is a serious problem, one he had while in college, so it is time to get serious and get help.

  7. By Patti Bond on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    I hate this about Floyd I think he and Anquan Boldin both got the shaft from management. But why because he was charged with a DUI? Lets take an example like HOF quarterback Joe Namath of the NY Jets. Why did they call Joe, Broadway Joe? Because Joe like the girls and went night clubing and drinking into the early morning hours with them. Was he ever drunk? Of course so what is the BIG deal with Michael Floyd? Did the NY Jets cut Joe, hell no they arn’t stupid like the Cardinals management. Floyd will haunt the Cardinals just like Anquan Boldin did when we dumped him. He loves beating his old team as will Floyd too. As for our 2016 team they need help, bad. Our 2015 team that went 13-3 had MUCH more talent, especially the defense then our 2016 team. Check the turn overs and 6 picks we had with last year’s D compared to this years defense, lo? Bring back the talent we lost last year to other teams, we are paying the price for it NOW!

  8. By JTDG on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    If only someone would have said to trade Floyd this past off season.

    Oh wait, I did. These are the mistakes I talk about.
    Now, we got no production and no picks. That is called a lose-lose.

  9. By JTDG on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Ottis Anderson,

    Been saying Mike Williams for weeks.
    You will be getting Dez Bryant without the attitude.

  10. By Steve on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Darren: I kind of figured Floyds personal life was behind his mysterious decline on the field. I’m not saying he’s a bad guy but he always struck me as being not the most mature guy in the room during his interviews. Do you think moving forward that this affects Keims willingness to take chances on risk character players in the draft?

  11. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Steve —

    RE: Risks

    Keim has said that is more on a person-to-person basis. As for Floyd, I like the guy. He’s not a fan of interviews. But off camera, he’s fine. I always had a good relationship with him. I think he was struggling with this season and his frustrations on the field. I don’t know if his personal life had anything to do with it.

  12. By JTDG on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    College receivers;

    John Ross is a guy like Brandin Cooks. But, At his size, he could be Andre Ellington and seem good till he gets hurt. For me, stay away from those little framed receivers.But he can fly.

    Mike Williams is a beast. Can really track the deep ball like a young Larry, and uses his body well. Best receiver in the draft.

    JuJu is great after the catch. Give him a 5 yd hitch and he can take it to the house. I will be interested to see him run as he is fast, but was shut down by Alabama.

    Corey Davis is this years Sterling Shepard. Runs good routes and can do all the underneath stuff and can set you up for something deep. Best route runner in draft.

    But the three sleepers this year will be,

    – Zay Jones. East Carolina, How can a receiver catch 158 passes for over 1700 yrds in a season. Got to see him play at the senior bowl. Could be the David Johnson of receivers. Runs every route on the tree.

    – Mack Hollins. This guy is a burner and at 6’3″ and 210, has good size. North Carolina was looking for a big year and he got hurt. If he recovers fully, he could be a late round steal.

    Malachi Dupre – LSU, LSU’s QB is bad, so tough to rate him. But I hear he is a real potential stud. I haven’t seen much of him

    If the cards go a different route in round 1, like QB, then they really need to consider these guys in round 3 (Jones and Dupre) and later (Hollins).

  13. By JTDG on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Darren,

    Heard Floyd had DUI issues at Notre Dame.

    True??

  14. By Darren Urban on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: Notre Dame

    http://www.espn.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/6829875/notre-dame-fighting-irish-reinstate-michael-floyd-dui-suspension

    Here’s what he talked about when he was first drafted:

    http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Floyd-Lives-His-Dream/171d170e-28c9-43ee-8684-5d6018e44e7c

  15. By Andrew on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    If Patrick Mahomes III from Texas Tech i’m not sure if he his in the first round discussion but if he isnt I think we should look into him for someone to learn under our veterans

  16. By Steve W on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Tough to see a kid like Floyd get cut when he’s struggling like this. I would have been shocked to see him come back next year anyway – he was just too undependable as a #1 receiver, which is what the Cards have obviously been hoping he’d become when Fitz retires from the game.

    I know we’ll see Floyd again, and I hope he learns from this mistake and has success in the NFL (just not at any Cards games!)

    Been a depressing year for fans and players alike, but that’s life in the NFL – every team out there is playing to win and the difference between a W and an L can be just one or two plays going for or against you. This season, those one or two plays have gone against us in close games.

    Still, I have confidence we’ll see the coaching staff come together in the off season and put together a strong Cards team next year. With a bit better luck and the good team chemistry we’ve all come to expect of our team, we’ll see them in the Super Bowl next time around! Until then, as always…

    GO CARDS!!!!

    Steve Weston
    Biggest Cards Fan in Virginia

  17. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Seems like (as always) there is more than meets the eye. Cant judge the decision by the troika bc never have the inside information. We know there’s a failure of leadership in the locker room (we see the result on Sundays), but dont know why. Thats the question to ask C, Palmer (who is a personal fav btw, fwiw.) Perhaps this, directed at that? Of this I am sure: those 19 coaches (of whatever the # is) didn’t get stupid, mean or unreasonable overnight…

  18. By Scott H on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    And, right on cue, here come the Patriots! Always ready to step in and steal a bargain that either helps them ( and Floyd could be a STEAL for them ) or if it doesn’t work out, they can cut ties with very little lost.

    Definitely no surprise that it’s the Patriots swooping in to pick him up. No guarantees that Floyd will find himself, but it’s total low risk / high reward for them. Amazing how often they do this. Wasn’t long ago I was banging the drum for the Cardinals to pick up Blount. They didn’t, the Pats did, and it certainly has worked out pretty well for them.

    And spare me the freak-outs, folks. Because, yes, we are blessed to have ended up with DJ. I get that. Unfortunately, they also have Tom Brady….and we don’t.

    Floyd could be the steal of the century for them. And that will suck. But, really, right now, I just hope the kid can get himself together.

    Anyone else wondering what role his substance use problems have played in his significant drop off this year? It would seem to me it must be at least considerable.

    He will probably be suspended for some games next year. And if he continues to have incidents…..more / longer suspensions….and possible end of career.

    Or…..maybe he becomes the next Cris Carter.

  19. By clssylssy on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    I’m very disappointed in the Cards Organization for not trying to get Michael Floyd some help when they could see he clearly was struggling. There are treatment facilities that specialize in helping professionals in crisis, and I can’t imagine why anybody, especially an organization that prides itself on it’s philanthropy and charitable works wouldn’t do everything within it’s power to extend a helping hand up to a valued member of their “football family”. From what the players have said, they hold Michael in very high regard and were badly shaken when the Organization kicked him to the curb. I fear this has created a further divide that we may not recover from soon, and that players are going to be reluctant to want to come here.
    Listening to a sportstalk show today they were very critical of the Cards Organization, pointing out the inconsistencies in it’s “messages” with players like John Abraham, Alex Okeafor and others committing similar, even more serious infractions, but not getting cut, as well as Daryl Washington, who is still on the roster. The clear message was that Floyd’s treatment was directly related to our disasterous season, and that players were treated better when we were winning.
    I find it especially bothersome that the Organization would fall back on using an incident that happened in college to further justify their “quick justice”, as if, that couldn’t have happened to many of us, who probably were just lucky…as drinking in college is practically a requirement.
    I believe it’s always better to take the high road and not rush to judge, since rarely all the facts are known, but, I’m not sure now that the Cardinals are who I thought they were.
    This is just so sad, and I hope Michael gets the help he needs and enjoys a good life and successful career.

  20. By JTDG on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Adam Smith,

    “Of this I am sure: those 19 coaches (of whatever the # is) didn’t get stupid, mean or unreasonable overnight…”

    Why? my wife says I did. 🙂

  21. By Richard S on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Floyd dropped too many balls this year. The last game, I was saying “Please don’t throw the ball to Floyd, it’s just a wasted down.” His glory days are in the past. Loyalty is fine in some industries, but in football it’s eat or be eaten and I think the Cards have been too loyal with some of their players. It was good to see that they will give a new punter a chance. The team needs to go with youth.

  22. By dkerry5242 on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    That didn’t take long for Floyd to get another job in the NFL. Man how lucky can he get going to the Patriots. Floyd will surely reach star status now. Can you say Super Bowl for Floyd this year!

  23. By dillon j. fifield on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    good by Floyd, good bye.

  24. By Big Ken on Dec 15, 2016 | Reply

    Micheal Floyd to the Patriots? Hum, we all got the same warm and fuzzy feeling when Jonathan Cooper was sent there. Pro football is a tough business, not a family.

  25. By Nel on Dec 16, 2016 | Reply

    So happy Floyd was picked up by Patriots..Great chance to get a SB ring now. AND as you can all clearly see Fitz, Palmer, Honey Badger, Peterson and most of his teammates were all visibly pissed about what Cards management did to Floyd. Fitz in particular basically told management “you fools” for releasing Floyd..So there you go..BAD MOVE keim arians. Mr Bidwell, you didn’t have to listen to them and you knew it..

  26. By Maddie on Dec 16, 2016 | Reply

    I don’t understand how Palmer could say Floyd doesn’t “have a problem” considering where Floyd found himself in the wee hours. I’m just wondering if he could have had the opportunity to address his issues, or does he become irrelevant if he doesn’t sign right away? I realize he already has signed, but had he not would he be essentially out of the NFL?

  27. By Kevin S Mesa on Dec 16, 2016 | Reply

    Not surprising that the Pats picked him up, given that they’re hurting at the position. As I heard on the radio yesterday, if he makes just one big catch in the next three games that helps them win a game they might otherwise have lost, that could be the difference between having home field advantage throughout the playoffs, or not. That alone would be worth the $1.2M.

    I’m a little surprised that no team below the Pats picked him up. I get the teams out of contention — it makes no difference to them. But there wasn’t a single playoff contender other than the Pats that could use Floyd, even on a “rental” basis for just a few games? No one else with some WR’s hurt, or underperforming? Or where he’s at least better than your #3 or #4 guy and could help out? Tells you a lot about how much his stock dropped with his poor play (on top of the DUI).

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