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No waiting for 2018 QB class

Posted by Darren Urban on April 19, 2017 – 2:14 pm

There are lots of question marks about the top quarterbacks in this year’s draft, and lots of enticing names at quarterback that could/should be available in the draft class of 2018. For a team like the Cardinals, who still have Carson Palmer, it’s a question that percolates: Might it be better to spend draft capital in 2017 on immediate non-QB help and plan to go after a quarterback in 2018.

Nope.

“You can look ahead and say there are two or three that we have watched on tape that are fantastic,” General Manager Steve Keim said of the potential 2018 QB class. “But if they are (picked) one, two or three in the draft, and I hope we are not picking anything but (number) 32, how are we going to get up there and get them? Even if we had 11 comp picks, that is not going to get it done.”

Therein lies the biggest problem with any team thinking they can wait. A quality QB is going in the top 5 or top 10. The NFL doesn’t do tanking like the NBA. The sure things in the draft are harder to know than in other sports. So the Cardinals are going to be prepared to draft a QB this year, and actually have a good situation to train one if they do.

Now a) that does not mean the Cardinals will definitely draft a quarterback or b) that they wouldn’t still look at QB next year or even c) that they wouldn’t take a franchise QB talent next year if one were to be there even if they did draft one this year. This is all a year-to-year proposition, folks. Because of that, QB is on the table in 2017, regardless of what better might be there in 2018.

“I just don’t think you can rely on that,” Keim said. “If you have a player you fell in love with, you take them.”


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49 Responses to “No waiting for 2018 QB class”

  1. By carlo millano on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    darren
    there is a qb u like more then others in this draft?

  2. By Darren Urban on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    Carlo —

    RE: QB

    Watson catches my eye because of how he performed in the biggest games. That said, I would not want me making the draft picks. I understand why many think Mahomes fits.

  3. By D on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    I am getting worried. I am sensing desperation. I am hoping Cleveland, SF, Chicago and the Jets all draft a QB so Mr. Keim doesn’t have an option to take a QB at #13. (and would also push very good players down closer to 13)

    I mean if they fall in love with a QB from ND who has only played in 25 games, and didn’t exactly light it up in 2016, (58% completion percentage) at #13, I would be disappointed, but not shocked.

  4. By Jacob Hewitt on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    Booooo yaaaaa immmm super happy Darren said he would pic Watson if he had a QB chance yeah 😎😎😎😎!!!!

  5. By joe holst on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    Darren,

    The Cards and all teams I believe build there draft board up to 120 however the draft goes much deeper. How do they know who to take after the 120? Also I don’t think it’s fair that writers like Peter King say the Cards like Pat Mahomes or perhaps love him if this is true then this could be leaking out information that can only hurt the Cardinals and drive up the price, I think he should be fined and lose his credentials. It mite be extreme but look how series “tampering ” is taken around the league.

  6. By Darren Urban on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    Joe —

    RE: Draft boards

    Well, not all teams do 120. The Patriots do about 75. The Ravens are at 175.

    The way boards are built, with team-specific needs in mind, teams usually don’t go off their board. Steve Keim estimated about 15 guys are left on their 120 board by the end of the draft, so those become their priority UDFA targets. Not every team values players the same, especially after you get after a certain number.

    As for Peter King, he’s a journalist. He doesn’t work for a team. He can’t tamper, nor is he under any obligation to protect teams. If teams don’t want him to have info, don’t let it get out.

  7. By Hammy on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    I cant wait for the draft to be OVER! I am tired of all these mock drafts predicting who the Cards may pick, getting my damn hopes up! Every mock draft seems to be wrong every year except for the 1st overall pick. I really hope we dont “reach” for a quarterback but if he is the best option for our future than why not? Whether its Mahomes, Watson, Peterman, Kizer, Dobbs, Risky Trubisky, or Kaaya, it doesnt matter. I trust the professionals to draft the best quarterback that fits our scheme.

    Half of those quarterbacks that I mentioned were not even being called the next great qb until the media did their annual hype the quarterbacks for the draft. They did this with Johnny Football and last year with Paxton Lynch! If they dont hype up quarterbacks then no one will care much about the draft. Its just that simple. We need a quarterback but I dont think we really need one at pick 13.

  8. By Mark Hume on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    About the Cardinals and who they might and who they finally do end up getting–is extremely interesting! Perhaps, it may come down to this–Cardinals may be looking at need first. Likely, in the first round they’ll look first at Cornerback, Receiver, Linebacker, and then if the QB they really like falls to them, they’ll take him! I think they look to trade up more than try to trade down!

    Can Keim strike gold perhaps two to three times in this Draft–say like in the 1st through 3rd Round!? Hopefully yes!

    Let’s see what happens! And it’s so hard waiting for the Draft!

  9. By JTDG on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    OK, I get it. The thought that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 is very realistic.

    To get them, you are going to need to trade your entire draft of 2018 , 1st and 2nd in 2019, and maybe players.

    If you planned for this, you could absorb the loss of draft picks for that QB. Problem is , not many holes were filled in the last 4 drafts, especially 2016. Then you saw some talent leave via FAs and only old players signed for short term.

    Look, truth is, Palmer and Fitz most likely are gone in 2018. Iupati and Veldheer could be cap casualties as both are aging and counting 10 million each against the cap in 2018.

    In 2018, the cards could need 2 starting guards, a starting Tackle, an ILB (Dansby isn’t a long term answer) , CB 2, a pair of safeties, and possibly 1-3 receivers, and the Dline is a question mark. And of course a QB.

    So, Can the cards fill these holes in 2017 draft, which would allow them to go get the QB? That is going to be tough.

    This is why I would have liked to have seen a better offseason. Signing a Gilmore and Zeitler would have helped in 2017 and allowed some flexibility in 2018.
    Then a draft addressing some of the other needs could have allowed the cards to make moves.

    So, where are the cards? Are they forced to draft a QB this year? I don’t think so.

    First, you don’t know who uses a high pick on a QB this year. Teams like the Niners, Jets, Browns, ect could take QBs.
    Second, Garapplo and Cousins are still possible trades or FAs in 2018.
    So, who will need a QB next year?

    Lets say the Jets take Trubisky at 6. They end up 1-15 and have the top pick. They most likely will be looking to trade. So the trade possibility is there.

    Second, After Darnald and Rosen, there is Mason Rudolph and Josh Allen. Luke Falk also is a guy out there.

    This draft has a ton of talent. Several CBs, really good safeties, a few really good receivers, and a couple really good olineman.

    Me, I am filling holes in the 2017 draft and then deciding what I can do in 2018.

  10. By Coach K on Apr 19, 2017 | Reply

    When it comes to accuracy and zip on the ball, Watson is not even close to Mahomes. It’s not even a fair competition in my opinion.

  11. By JTDG on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    One other thing about the QB classes;

    The Niners, Browns and Jets have toyed with the idea of getting their QB next year in reports.

    The top QB talked about at the Combine, according to Daniel Jeremiah, was Sam Darnald.

    The fact that Darren wrote this article, and the cards brass is aware of 2018 QBs, all point to one thing.

    Everyone is fully aware that the 2018 QB class is much better.

  12. By Darren Urban on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG —

    RE: 2018

    To be fair, Keim was asked the question. It wasn’t like he volunteered the info.

  13. By USAF Pilot on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Hammy,

    Re: “…I trust the professionals to draft the best quarterback that fits our scheme”.

    Keim drafted Logan Thomas. That didn’t work out so well.
    So, I wouldn’t trust Keim to pick the best QB for the Cards.

  14. By LR Wolf on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Have to (and I rarely do) disagree with the “dark suits” this time. A year from now
    you can take the same comments you are hearing about Watson, etc and plug them into the new names of 2018….it happens every year. There are far more pressing needs today than finding a so called QBOF,…albeit the need will be more pressing next year.

  15. By NJAzCardsFan on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Darren- My one and only D Wash question for the year…..

    Why haven’t the Cards released him? Are they waiting for a certain date. It makes no sense to keep him on the payroll still…..

  16. By Darren Urban on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    NJAz —

    RE: DWash

    He’s not on the payroll. He’s getting paid nothing.

  17. By Tradersbrain on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    I get the feeling Keim is playing a brilliant chess match here. His interest in this weak QB class, especially at 13, is a diversion. Has to be.

  18. By Big Ken on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    I don’t think they are won over by Rueben Foster. Too many question marks.

  19. By steve on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    I just hope the Cards learned their lesson from the Logan Thomas experiment and don’t repeat that mistake by drafting DeShone Kizer, everything I have read about him mirrors Thomas,big arm, mobility, questionable accurracy and decision making.

  20. By steve on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Since this is a draft full of developmental QB’s, Nathan Peterman of Pitt might offer the best value for AZ to look at in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. IMO he has the best mechanics and accuracy and has been compared to Andy Dalton by some.

  21. By Rick on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    There are many holes to fill Quarterback isn’t the one. Better get best possible players to win right now. Interior defensive line…. . Wide out, safety, and Offensive line stability. Some better corners…. Lots of guys running wide open killed us.

  22. By mitchaz on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Darren—

    I understand your logic and I imagine that BA&SK would like to draft a QB sooner rather than later.

    However, as JTDG points out, by not addressing key positions of need in FA, this draft really forces the Cardinals’ hand if they want to make a run for the Lombardi this year.

    There is a very good chance that the Cardinals could draft 4-5 key immediate contributors in this draft, not to mention how badly the team needs to improve its STs.

    This is why I would much prefer that the Cardinals take BPA with their first 4 picks and draft a QB with one of their Round 5 picks (Joshua Dobbs, Jerod Evans, Chad Kelly or C.J. Beathard).

    Seeing as all of the QBs in this draft class are 2-3 year projects, maybe the Cardinals could get lucky in developing one of the 5th round QBs into a starter 2-3 from now — or, at the very least, they can develop that QB to be Drew Stanton’s successor as the #2 and then do what most people believe they are going to do anyway — sign or trade for a veteran QB to be Carson Palmer’s successor.

    Next year’s potential veteran QBs are Drew Brees, Mathtew Stafford, Tyrod Taylor, Jimmy Garoppolo, A.J. McCarron, Kirk Cousins, Mike Glennon (his deal is really structured as a 1 year deal), Sam Bradford, Chase Daniel, etc.

    Chances are that if Palmer retires…we will see Steve Keim sign one of the veterans above, even if they draft a QB high this year. Can you really picture BA turning the reins over to Watson, Mahomes or Kizer in 2018?

  23. By Jacob Hewitt on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    When will the 2017 schedule be released it’s Thursday !!!

  24. By mitchaz on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    This year’s season for the Arizona Cardinals has all the looks of a football odyssey.

    First of all, the fact that the 2017 NFL Draft takes place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has major significance in that both Bruce Arians (York) and Steve Keim (Harrisburg) are highly decorated Pennsylvania boys. Arians was inducted into the York PA Hall of Fame in 2007 and Keim was inducted into the Pennsylvania Hall of Fame in 2004. It is worth noting as well that Larry Fitzgerald on July 1, 2013 had his #1 jersey retired by the University of Pittsburgh in honor of him winning the prestigious Walter Camp Award (nation’s top player) and the Bileitnikoff Award (top receiver) in 2003. In 2003 Fitzgerald was the runner-up to the Heisman Trophy and a unanimous 1st team All-American.

    Secondly, the Cardinals will be making their first pre-season stop of the year at the Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. Not only will this trip coincide with Kurt Warner’s 2017 induction into the Hall of Fame, it will give current Cardinals’ potential Hall of Fame candidates WR Larry Fitzgerald and CB Patrick Peterson a privileged glimpse of what it means to be lauded and enshrined as one of the best to ever play in the NFL.

    Finally, this year’s Super Bowl happens to be in Minneapolis, Minnesota– and we all know what that means for Larry Fitzgerald. What a story line it would be for Fitz to have the confetti rain down of the Cardinals and him in Super Bowl LII. Talk about football odysseys. This one could be one of the greatest of all. It took Odysseus 20 years to return to ithaca — and amazingly — if one counts Larry Fitzgerald’s 2 years of junior high school, 4 years of high school, 2 years of college and 14 years of playing in the NFL — the sum of those years is an even 20.

    Will Poseidon continue to blow the Cardinals astray — or will Athena will the Cardinals all the way home?

  25. By D on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Between a possible failed drug test for R. Foster and stupid comments by D. Kizer…they are making it easier for Mr. Keim…PASS those two…..

    Haason Reddick!!!! at 13
    (assuming M. Hooker/ J. Adams and Lattimore are off the board)

  26. By LR Wolf on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Unless I failed my speed reading class….I think we have a consensus that No.13
    should NOT be a QB, Us chumps don’t even get paid for our wisdom either.

  27. By JTDG on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    After a 13-3 season and a loss to Carolina in the Championship game, the cards followed up 2015 with a 7-8-1 record in 2016.

    How did it happen?

    BA took the blame on defense as he said they needed to play zone against the back up QB. The thought was, starting a rookie CB, they needed to go zone. It back fired as Jimmy G had a nice game. But a FG would have saved the game. The FG was missed.

    After a 1-1, the Bills destroyed the cards a Gilmore had 2 picks and the Bills picked Palmer 4 times. The defense was run over as Taylor went for 76 yds and McCoy went for 110. The blow out started to show the weaknesses in this 2016 team.

    Then the unthinkable. The rams , with Case Keenum, came in and beat the cards. Special teams were bad, again poor CB play, and Palmer was knocked out.

    The cards were 1-3. It was obvious, the plan at CB was a disaster. Floyd was dropping passes (two in the rams game), and Palmer was way out of sinc with the receivers. We would learn of John Brown’s medical issues and Floyd’s issues, an injury to Jaron Brown and the team was left with Fitzgerald.

    The cards went on to beat two of the worst teams in football and seem to be back in it. They were 3-3 and had Seattle at home. What seemed to be the game to turn it around became a heart breaking tie on missed FGs.

    The cards would drop 4 out of the next 6, ending any hopes of playoffs. 7-8-1.

    So, how do the cards get back to the 13-3 team and avoid a backward trend?

    Losing Campbell and Jefferson (two big contributors) isn’t easily overlooked. But the cards have a bunch of young players at Dline who hopefully step up. As for Strong Safety, the cards hopefully get a healthy Badger back. Bethea also joins the defensive backfield. We all know, the cards use a 3 safety approach. That 3rd safety will need to be either Branch or a draft pick.

    The cards lost their starting CB2, but planned on upgrading there anyways. This is one of the best CB drafts I have seen and would think the cards can get a starter at CB2 in the first 3 rounds. If the cards go with Bethel and Williams, it will be a disaster.

    Palmer was hit way too much last year. Keim promised to be aggressive in FA. Unfortunately, at this point, no one has been brought in except resigning our center. The cards have young guys like Boehm, Toner, Wetzel. Maybe they add someone from the draft. Not sure how the oline gets better by doing nothing.

    Replacing the kicker and punter at the beginning of 2016 might have meant 2-3 more wins. Hopefully, with the cards moving on from Catman and Butler improves this team. Can’t see how it can’t.

    This looks like Larry Legends last year. He is still one of the best and is playing at a high level. But question marks arise all around him. Is John Brown truly healthy? Is Jaron Brown a starter or just another guy? Is JJ Nelson more than just a deep guy? One would think you must add to this group.

    Interesting to see what Keim / BA do this draft

  28. By JTDG on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    So, with the draft one week away; two alternative drafts, depending on who is there.

    Round one –
    – Mike Williams WR,
    – if gone Gareon Conley,
    – If both are gone, look for a trade partner, move down and take Forest Lamp

    Round 2 –
    – If you take Williams, look at Quincy Wilson or Marlon Humphrey
    – If you take Conley, Take Ju Ju Smith
    – If you take Lamp, you now have two 2nd rounders and I would take Ju Ju and one of the CBs above.

    Round 3 –
    – If you have Williams and Wilson/Humphries, now take Pat Elflein
    – If you have Conley and Ju Ju, then still go oline with Elflein
    – If you went Lamp, Ju Ju and Wilson/Humphries, go safety Marcus Maye.

    I think this draft of 3 rounds would address some huge needs along the oline, CB2, receiver and that 3rd safety (and replacement for aging Bethea)

  29. By Adam Smith b1723 fka DTL on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Rueben Foster failed drug test at combine. “Dilute” what ever that means…

  30. By cobra on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    Take Cal Q.B. Webb, of course not in the 1st round. We have the best running back in the league. We don’t need a running Q.B. You never know, he may be the next along the lines of Brady. Yes, he needs grooming, yet who would be better to teach him than Palmer? If anything, maybe Palmer stays one more year to finish his contract even if he isn’t the starter. Hmmm, Coach Palmer, before he retires!

  31. By Coach K on Apr 20, 2017 | Reply

    COME ON GUYS, KEIM GOT TO TRADE DOWN

    Take best athlete around pick 16-19 and get extra round 2 pick

    Cory Davis,WR,, or Jarrad Davis, ILB (Either Davis is good for me)

    Round two- Get that corner from LSU Tre White, and later in round two use
    the bonus pick to grab your Quarterback.

    That’s how I see it, unless B.A. looks Mahomes in the eye and both
    gunslingers fall in love with each other.

    Should be exciting to see all the moves made.

  32. By mitchaz on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    Philadelphia Story

    The Cardinals’ ties to Pennsylvania are numerous and very significant. What better place could there be to start a rebirth? As we know, the Cardinals really need to ring that bell over the next 10 days.

    As I look at the list of draft prospects with Pennsylvania ties, several players stand out. Perhaps, no one more than Temple’s Haason Reddick (6-1, 237). How symbolic would it be for BA to draft this highly regarded Temple Owl? Reddick’s story heading into the draft is phenomenal — he broke his leg as a junior in high school — tore up his knee as a senior — ruining any chance he had at a D1 scholarship— so he walked on at Temple and there were no scholarships for him even after his redshirt year. It got so tenuous that his mom had to take out a loan just to provide Haason with a meal ticket, so he could eat with the other players. But once he got his chance, Reddick pounced and never looked back, starting out as a CB and then emerging as a pass rushing OLB.

    Another great story is the story of Villanova’s Tanoh Kpassagnon (6-7, 285). Tanoh’s mother is a chemist from Uganda and his father is an economist from the Ivory Coast and all they ever wanted their son to do was play soccer and, most importantly, excel in school. Thus, Tanoh hadn’t thought much about playing football until he attended a camp at Villanova, where he turned heads by running a 4.74 40. Villanova offered him a football scholarship on the spot — which only pleased his mother in the sense that her son could enroll in one of the nation’s best business schools. Not only has Tanoh excelled on the football field, he has established quite a name for himself in the business school, and in fact, delivered a powerpoint presentation in finance that wowed an entire convention of college business students and professors.

    And the third Philly area prospect who has come out of absolutely nowhere and into prominent consideration as a late Day 2 or early Day 3 draft pick is St. Francis’ Lorenzo Jerome (5-10, 202). So. how does a player from the Division 1 FCS Northeast Conference who plays against the likes of Robert Morris and Fairleigh Dickinson, make it all the way to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama? Well, despite lacking ideal prototypical size, Jerome is like a thief in the night in the secondary. He picked off 18 passes at St. Francis and then he got invited to play in the Collegiate Bowl where he picked off two passes on his way to becoming defensive MVP, and then was promptly invited to the Senior Bowl where he once again picked off two passes and even forced a fumble. While Jermome runs in the 4.5s…he plays with tremendous anticipation and has the hips to change direction on a dime.

  33. By JTDG on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    In 2011, there were 6 QBs taken in the first 36 picks.

    In that draft, there was one QB everyone agreed was the top guy (Cam Newton), but the rest of the QBs were rated all over the place.

    Teams were pushing guys up and overdrafting QBs because they needed one. Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, and Blaine Gabbert were all rated much higher than they should have been.

    Jake Locker, picked at #8 had this knock on him- Misses on too many throws and his accuracy can be erratic at times

    Blaine Gabbert at #10 had this knock on him – Struggles to throw an accurate deep ball.

    Meanwhile, the Texans with the 12th pick, took a guy who would go on to become a 3 time DPOY in JJ Watt.

    Ponder then was taken at #13. His knock was – Takes too many chances and puts the ball in harms way too often. Doesn’t possess good deep ball accuracy

    Right after that, the Rams took Robert Quinn who had 45 sacks his first 4 years.

    Meanwhile, round 2 saw Andy Dalton get drafted at #35. Interesting what his scouting report said – Has a quick release, a strong arm and is an accurate passer,

    Hmm Accurate……

    Get the point ???

    Guys who are inaccurate in college are inaccurate in pros. Guys who are reckless with the ball are reckless with the ball in the pros.

    Sure there are exceptions, but not enough to take risk in round one.

    So, in the 2017 draft, will we see teams push guys up in round one who belong in round 3?

    Meanwhile, which teams will take that QB and pass on the JJ Watt’s of this draft.

    Stay away from QBs in round one.

  34. By JTDG on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    To follow up;

    Mitch Trubisky – Inconsistent – inaccurate at time
    “There are times he looks like another Carson Wentz and then there are times he looks like Blaine Gabbert” Needs better drive accuracy between the hashes. Has a tendency to leave throws in hip pocket of moving targets. Inconsistent deep ball touch.

    Deshaun Watson – Accuracy
    “Accuracy runs hot and cold” Deep-ball accuracy has been scatter-shot, Teams will have to weigh the inconsistent field vision and decision-making against his size, athleticism, leadership and production

    Pat Mahomes – Inconsistent
    Can be inconsistent in his approach. Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment’s notice. Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release. (uh, Tebow).
    NFL COMPARISON Jay Cutler

    Are you sure you are willing to pass on a stud player (like JJ Watt in 2011) for guys who could be the next Ponder, Gabbert, or Locker.

    No QB in round 1

  35. By Coach K on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG

    You are absolutely correct.

    This QB class is simply not where next years class will be.

    The USC kid and the Oklahoma kid are two easy top 5 picks
    next year. Clearly better than this class.

    Cardinals have bigger holes to fill. I do like Peterrman of Pitt
    in the later rounds if Keim feels he must have a young QB, but
    I think the kid from Ole Miss Kelly could be worth a 6th round
    pick just because of his arm.

  36. By Scott H on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG –

    Yeah….I see lots and lots of question marks. Doesn’t seem like that goes along with a definite SB contender, does it?

    I know you are a win-now guy, so you HAVE to be hoping the Cards are making CB their top priority in this draft – NOT QB.

    I note with interest that you are looking to the 2018 QB class as one that offers a better menu of options that this year’s class does. Well, given that I trust your judgement, I’m gonna go along with you on that. And , yeah, I admit that as much as anything else, that goes along with what I WANT to see them do. So….of course, I’m on board.

    I am already of the mindset that Keim has done a LOUSY job this of-season because NOTHING was done to address a glaring need – CB. I mean….I didn’t even see an effort being made. Add to that the un-disputable fact that free agency for this team ( so far ) has basically been a mass exodus of talent from the defense, and there is no way that players that were added matches what was lost. So….there is already a sense of disappointment.

    Seems like the Cards are thinking QB of the future now. And not to say they can’t do that AND still get a quality CB. But…..I gotta say, if it seems like QB of the future is priority ONE on draft day while making this team as good it can be for 2017 seems secondary…..I am not going to forgive that.

    Keim is already on the hook with many for pledging to be aggressive during FA and then coming up REAL small. He CANNOT afford to flub this draft.

    And here’s an idea – how ’bout taking a player in the first round who will actually PLAY and CONTRIBUTE this year!! That’ll be something a little different, huh?

    BTW, what were / are your thoughts about McCourty?

  37. By Scott H on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG –

    Addendum to previous post – and in regard to taking somebody in the first round who is going to play and contribute THIS year, well, that’s probably NOT gonna be a QB, is it? So…..

  38. By JTDG on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    Coach K,

    Agree.

    I think flyers like Kelly (whose only issue – and its big- is his attitude) and I like Dobbs because of his down field comp %.

    But yes, I like them on the 3rd day.

    As for 2018, I think the 4th best QB, Josh Allen, would go as the #1 QB in 2017.

  39. By CARDS62 on Apr 21, 2017 | Reply

    JTDG

    I like your picks and will be very pleased if that is what we end up with, but if Williams is gone and Cory Davis WR is there at # 13 I will take him over Conley at CB.Deeper draft for elite CB verses WR and Ju Ju Smith from USC could be gone by our second round pick.
    I hope we get a return man in the draft, and a punter or pay the bucks to get undrafted punters and kickers to come to the Cardinals. We have to upgrade our special teams.

    I think Palmer will be back for 2018 unless we win the Super Bowl in 2017 or we have a horrible o line going into the 2018 season. I do worry about our QB situation as I think we are exactly where we were when we had Warner. We have done great getting Warner and Palmer better than most if not all teams, but normally you get Kevin Kobbs. This was Rod Graves biggest mistake, and if Steve Keim is going to be a great GM he has to get us great QB.

    I also am not satisfied with our inside linebackers and wonder where you and other Cardinal fans would draft Rueben Foster of Alabama? 2nd round ? 3rd round? 4th round? Remember D. Dockett and Honey Badger and of course D. Washington.

    Go Cards!

  40. By CardsNation on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    I will never take Kizer in this draft, I don’t care if he falls to the third round. A bust is a bust, it’s a waste of a draft pick, all draft picks are valuable. Really excited to see the draft in 5 days. I’m sure Watson will be taken before us, if they want a QB, Patrick Mahomes is the best option.

  41. By CardsNation on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    But, if i were Keim, I will not pick a QB until late 2nd round if he trades up.

  42. By CardsNation on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    -JTDG

    I want to make a similar case. 9 offensive lineman were selected in the 2013 NFL Draft. 3 in the first four picks of the draft and they didn’t turn out as expected ( Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel, Lane Johnson ). That was also the year when we picked Johnathan Cooper. Only two of the nine went to the pro bowl, Travis Frederick and Kyle Long. I understand there a lot of talents in this year’s draft, especially defensive players. But no one knows their potential until they play a game in NFL. I just hope that our first round pick will actually play in the first year.

  43. By LR Wolf on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    this string of comments has broken the record for most comments…congrats to all….it will be surely broken after pick 13 turns out to be a “you know what’ heaven forbid.!

  44. By Scott H on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    Cards62 –

    So, if they do NOT win the SB in 2017, you believe Palmer will be back for 2018? I’m wondering….do you think Fitz would also consider coming back?

    I wouldn’t rule it out for either of them, but of the two, I feel like Palmer is more likely.

    I wonder about the extent to which what they do on draft day will impact on the prospect of Palmer being here in 2018, ya know? One wonders if discussions have taken place between Palmer and the F/O about beyond this year. If they were perhaps thinking about landing their QB of the future in NEXT year’s draft….it sure would be good to have Palmer here for 2018. And THAT causes one to wonder if Fitz would stick around as well.

    Also, do you think Palmer would play for another team at this point or do you think he’s either a Cardinal in 2018 or he’s done?

    Darren – please feel free to weigh in on that last question as well.

  45. By Darren Urban on Apr 22, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H —

    RE: Another team

    I don’t see Palmer or Fitz ever playing for another team.

  46. By Scott H on Apr 24, 2017 | Reply

    Darren –

    Oh, I wasn’t even asking about Fitz! I feel very confident Larry will never wear another uniform. At this point, I’d be surprised to see Palmer play for another team, either. But….ya never know. He hasn’t been a Cardinal for his career like Fitz has. And imagine Palmer being done in Arizona after this year….maybe he DOES want to keep playing…..and there is a team out there that appears to be right on the doorstep to winning it all and they just need a QB to get them there. Ya never know…..

    But Fitz? No. I think we know he will be a Cardinal or he will be done.

  47. By CARDS62 on Apr 24, 2017 | Reply

    Scott H

    If you protect your QB and your QB is smart and has a quick release he will not be hit too much. We all know Carson is not a runner and when he does he gets down or out of bounds in plenty of time. If we can protect him and greatly limit his hits I think Carson is back next year, and unlike Warner we took care of Palmer with a nice contract upfront which was very smart.

    As you know not only does Fitz work the middle of the field and is tackled a lot on his catches, but he is one of our best blockers so Fitz body is being hit on a huge amount of plays. It adds up over the year and Fitz has such a high standard for his play. You can tell Fitz still loves being around his guys but this game is a young man’s game. You can only wait so long for your Super Bowl Ring.

    Palmer is happy here and he was not happy with the Bengals or Raiders so I think he knows this is the place for him and he will retire a Cardinal. I remember Fitz structuring his contract so that he could be a free agent a few years ago, but Fitz did everything in his power to stay a Cardinal when at the time I believe our QB situation was not good so I think we all get our wish and Fitz retires a Cardinal.

    Go Cards!

  48. By Dewayne on Apr 24, 2017 | Reply

    Take Patrick Mahomes! There my vote.

  49. By DAVEMAHAM on Apr 24, 2017 | Reply

    D– So you’re hoping the Cardinals don’t draft a QB because why? You evaluation of the QB’s constitutes them as non-franchise quarterbacks, or something else? Please explain. And don’t let it be the we need other positions to compete this year story line, we need a QB as much as any other position. Keim will draft based on his board, not desperation. I question how much you really know about this organization with every post of yours I read.

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